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Thanks Growing. I hear you. I have expressed much in this forum in detail as to my adverse position in respect to JD. I believe the church is susceptible to some kind of mind virus these days. As seen in what you share as concern, amen. I agree with your concern, amen. I would see shock value is good for us, but not for you. When we do shock value, we do it right. When they do, they manipulate. Its kind of scary, right? That's the virus.
Beyond that thought I have found it important to hopefully understand how those in the care of Christian thought leaders are thinking. Focusing kind of less on the leaders and more on their influenced. Over the years the teaching style I have seen in spotting application is this:
- This is the top 5 views of this passage (or event in history)
- Here are the pros and cons of those views
- Here is the view I favor
- Here are the prose and cons more specific to the view I favor
- Here is why it is the best option
I believe teaching in this fashion helps the body of Christ as a whole understand how other denomination or groupings within the body are thinking. It is helpful I believe to try and empathetically understand where others are coming from. One thing I learned a bit more about in route when I was in a shark tank forum several years ago was that going after Christian leaders did not seem to be the end all be all...especially if we live in a day and age where we are surrounded. Let's just torch the whole house of God would not seem to be a sober option.
So what occurred to me over time is that what seems to be the focus in end times hysteria is how we can help the body of believers because of where we are at. Proving pastor A wrong and going after paster B because of false this or that is well enough calling awareness. But it did not see to solve the other ailment of our age. Quadrupling down on our own convictions. And it would seem that condition spread to further divide the body all over the place. Which might seem to be a victory for the enemy.
This one YouTube channel (not Dean--the video I posted below--but it was a different YouTube channel no longer posting now for 2 years) continually went after big names in pulpits. And having known several of them, I would have to say his concerns were accurate. But it had the effect of burning down the whole house of God. So what I noticed was that it would probably be best to target the flock not the pulpit. What I mean by that is that pastors that are fixed in their own ways will only use attacked against them as they are being persecuted. Sure there is a time and place to down bad leadership. But since it is somewhat of an epidemic, it would seem that the main reason we are concerned with bad theology played out at the pulpit is because of how it harms others. And that would be their followers.
I would not see any kingpin leaders repenting. They are too invested. So challenging them to repent is fine. But does not see to go far enough. So what I have seen to be helpful in the context we find ourselves in these crazy days is to build up the flock forsaken. Help those whom bad theology leads. And understanding why things look reasonable to others can help provide conversations where the Spirit may enter authority for a flock member to consider and benefit from the ministry of the spirit. (Col 4:6 being a powder keg of access).
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So that is why I am at JDF forum. So I can learn how to better do all that and be all that. And open too to where also I may not be seeing the striaghtest myself. In this I would see yielding to the Spirits authority in the matter. I used to be reformed but am no longer reformed. However I have friends that are. And I consider reformed theologians of old having much deep and helpful works toward the edification of the body. Dean Lentini is reformed but genuinely calls out bad actors within his tent (which is kind of tabu...so I tend to trust a lot of his insights). In the video below it does make a good case for why Chrstians should not vote. It is actually very sober minded. By posting this I am not advocating that Christians should not vote (or i think more accurately that christian do not have to vote...and a case for that). I believe we should. And as I am today will be voting for Trump. But it is videos like this or perspectives not in line with my own that have heart in how they are actually portrayed that I love to consider. Its over an hour but Dean makes it fun in presentation for the most part. I don't agree with his reformed perspectives, but he is a brother in Christ who is very down to earth. And a helpful voice I believe on several fronts. Its a small YouTube channel. But having weathered much of the sphere in the world from which he speaks, to me, he is a very sober perspective.
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