Millennial Day Theory

[Greg]

Anastacia puts her finger on the problem for me with the whole 9th of Av speculation last year coming from Tyler of Gen 2434, his friend Dr Barry Awe and a few others. It didn't happen in the video with Pete.



Pete didn't join them in the date setting that blew up after that video. That is the one thing I was bothered by in Pete's farewell video on Monday is that he is encouraging people to follow Tyler and Chooch.

I'm sorry if I'm going to offend anyone who likes Tyler or Chooch or Dr Barry Awe. Close your eyes if this next will bother you. But I'm going to be blunt.

Quick disclaimer, I like Tyler, but he's young and easily influenced by Dr Barry Awe who is a flat out committed date setter. Chooch and the third guy that hangs out with Tyler and Chooch a lot (can't recall his name) are both older and should know better.

Just quoting part of this excellent response so it's clear what I'm commenting on.

I follow Tyler and a few others on Telegram, and yeah, love his heart and boldness. I think the 9th of Av thing is interesting, even plausible, but maybe it's a matter of how far you take it. I believe Pete referenced it at one point and said something to the effect of 'I don't know when it will be, but if it did turn out to be that day it sure would get the attention of the Jews in a special way'. I do think there's a lot we don't know about the Feasts, and Jesus did already fulfill some of them directly, with the rest presumably to come. But we don't know when or how He'll do it. And we don't know if the Rapture does or doesn't tie to them. I bristle a bit when people say they only apply to the Jews though, as God went to great pains to have Jesus fulfill all the spring ones exactly as they were typed ahead of time.

But Tyler -- the thing that got to me a bit was all the emphasis on BRICS for a while -- I pretty much stopped listening then. Just because the number 10 is involved, people go crazy and forget all about context.

Dr. Barry -- love the guy's enthusiasm, but there's always something where I wonder how he got some piece of what he's thinking, or, if I do see it, feel like it's just a stretch. So he's probably one of those I'd label for mature believers only, which maybe counts me out anyway, lol. Barry's latest is thinking that the last seven years of watchmen warning and studying the same handful of dates each year is akin to the seven years of plenty in Egypt (warning of coming judgement in our case) before the famine (tribulation, in our case). Guess the jury is out on that one. I do like how he begins his videos with "...and we're back!" after another significant date has come and gone.

The other one that came to mind as probably going too far is CJ Lovick/Rock Island Books. Interesting stuff, but he spends half the time hyping up how explosive and ground breaking it is, and is another head scratcher at times. And the few things I've listened to just don't see to sit quite right...

Then there are a bunch of others I've tried to check out on recommendation from others that just seem too off and speculative for me to put on in the car while commuting. I can see why a certain someone really had a thing against youtube. On the other hand, we're all human and fall short, so I don't want to be overly critical. But I do appreciate Margery's concern about how passed watch dates and such could negatively impact the faith of some... and that's tragic and should give everyone pause.

Babylon -- I guess I'm in the Babylon is Babylon camp with Dr. Woods. Maybe I'm wrong on that, and it probably doesn't matter. But between what it says in Zechariah 5 and then Jeremiah 51 not exactly jiving with what happened historically in Daniel's time, I think there's more to come literally in the plains of Shinar.

 

[Spartan Sprinter]

At some point, 2026 is going to be the only year left, and all hopes set on that year.

I think my problem is the opposite. I tend to be akin to a scoffer, unfortunately.
I see all the evil and injustice and unfairness in the world and think, nothing is ever going ot be done about it. Why would it it happen in the next 3 years?

Yeah i had a tendency to have this mindset too, i honestly thought we shoulda been well and truly outta here by now but if the verse of Peter wishing that God wishes none to perish makes me think we're gonna be here a while longer and maybe 2026 is a possibility .

It's a hard pill to swallow in terms of us waiting here longer but what Pastor Adrian and Pete Garcia mentioned before is the correct focus we should have

 

[Margery]

Babylon -- I guess I'm in the Babylon is Babylon camp with Dr. Woods. Maybe I'm wrong on that, and it probably doesn't matter. But between what it says in Zechariah 5 and then Jeremiah 51 not exactly jiving with what happened historically in Daniel's time, I think there's more to come literally in the plains of Shinar.

That's my favourite theory. Because of something that was mentioned in one of the Babylon prophecies, Isaiah 13:20 that no Arab would even pasture his flock there, and there are plenty of pics showing Arabs pasturing their flocks in that area where Babylon was. So the destruction in the past has partially fulfilled that prophecy, with more yet remaining. Andy mentions it regularly when he teaches on that subject.

Also in Jeremiah 51:26 it says no stone of Babylon will ever be used for a foundation or cornerstone, but the stones of Babylon in the past WERE used to construct the nearby villages.

So the destruction of Babylon HAS to also refer to a more complete destruction in the future. It wasn't just fulfilled completely in the past.

Regarding NEOM, the area of NEOM is on the far reaches of Babylonian borders- it's not near Babylon, more like on the outer reaches of the kingdom in it's heyday. Sort of like Washington DC is the heart of America's political landscape, NYC being it's financial centre but the California border is still part of the USA. So if some prophet said America will fall, and in the latter times it will be rebuilt- the fulfillment might be in DC or it might be over in San Diego or up in Detroit and still be "America".

So the question we should ask if we are thinking about Babylon being rebuilt again, then destroyed are we talking about the city of Babylon or the capital of the Empire of Babylon.

I think it's the City of Babylon, but if it's the Empire, it could mean anywhere inside the Empire. And that is why I think NEOM is a bit of a stretch. But it is still a useful idea. Even if we just see it as how fast a city can be built when there is unlimited funds and desire.

Both Babylon and Rome have a strike against them being difficult to see from ships at sea. Revelation 18:17-18 “Every sea captain, and all who travel by ship, the sailors, and all who earn their living from the sea, will stand far off. 18 When they see the smoke of her burning"

BUT that still might not matter because the whole chapter in context is mentioning how those who benefit from Babylon see her destruction from a far way off. Could that perhaps be fulfilled like the 2 Witnesses where everyone around the world can view their death, lying dead for 3 days, and resurrection?

Modern media- cell phones, live cams and the like would fulfill the sea captains being able to view their destruction. So back to Babylon again.

Babylon remains my favourite because of another prophecy. The Stork winged women that appear in Zech 5. They take Wickedness back to it's "place" in Babylonia, the plains of Shinar. Where it all began.

BTW there is some recent archeological evidence that the tower of Babel existed right within the area of ancient Babylon. So if that is true, it's one more reason to consider Babylon the city being rebuilt on her ancient foundations (and incorporating the tower of Babel).

Which has a certain symmetry to it. Because it was at Babel that we were scattered, the languages and the nations and it was in response to our wickedness and dislike of following God's ways. When that happened, idolatry went into each group. So Babel is the mother ship so to speak of all idolatry and false religion.

You can trace some concepts that come down from Nimrod and his consort Semiramis into all the religions, into the infected theology such as the worship of Mary which is almost identical to the mother child cults surrounding Isis and Osiris for example or Ishtar and Tammuz etc.

And if you look at people being slaughtered in the name of religion, it's a good idea to realize the common elements between Islam, Catholicism, and other religions that put to death Bible believing Christians and Jews.

The poison spread everywhere from Babel. As God used Israel and later the church as His 2 witnesses (another type or picture there) you see it creeping into both groups.

The Bible spreads west from Israel into Europe, and then to America. As each culture is touched by it, they reach their point of glory as the Bible is glorified and used as a foundation, then they crumble into dust as that culture rejects God. When the foundations are removed, nothing can stand. That is the process we see right now.

It's gone as West as it's going to.

Now that Israel is in the land again, we see America's rise and fall same as the other nations that stood as a light for a brief moment

and when we go in the Rapture, the Gospel light will be back in the hands of the Jews as the 144,000 Jewish male virgins spread the light.

At that same time (I think after the Rapture) the stork wing women will take Wickedness back to her place - Babel in the plains of Shinar.

Zech 5:
5 Then the angel who talked with me came out and said to me, “Lift your eyes now, and see what this is that goes forth.”

6 So I asked, “What is it?” And he said, “It is a basket that is going forth.”

He also said, “This is their resemblance throughout the earth:

7 Here is a lead disc lifted up, and this is a woman sitting inside the basket”;

8 then he said, “This is Wickedness!” And he thrust her down into the basket, and threw the lead cover over its mouth.

9 Then I raised my eyes and looked, and there were two women, coming with the wind in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork, and they lifted up the basket between earth and heaven.

10 So I said to the angel who talked with me, “Where are they carrying the basket?”

11 And he said to me, “To build a house for it in the land of Shinar; when it is ready, the basket will be set there on its base.”

 

[Margery]

That's what I tend to not believe, tbh.
I just think if America goes down the tubes, so what?
There isnt really anything in the bible that addresses that.

I think the things that argue for a soon return (soon being relative with God's timetable not ours) we should see a growing apostasy in the church (Laodicea forming) at around the time we see Israel coming back to the land.

Kind of like a relay race.

Israel (the Jews) held the baton till Christ, then we the church hold it till the Rapture, then it's back to the Jews with the 144,000 Jewish virgin males and the 2 Witnesses in Jerusalem. For a brief moment there is a crossover period where the new runner in the race is running beside the old one fading fast and the baton is passed from one to the other.

We are fading now and the baton will soon be handed back to the Jews.

North America is the last, westernmost geographic beacon of light with the gospel with America as the core of that.

The gospel travelled west (and yes also east, north and south) but it took hold first just north of Israel in Damascus then spreading rapidly thru Asia Minor (Turkey) then it goes west into Greece and Rome. The missionary efforts in other directions didn't seem to result in changed nations in Africa, India and east into China. There are records of various attempts but they didn't grow like they did in the West.

As the Roman Empire waxed and waned, it went into Britain and Northern Europe spreading out North and West from the Mediterranean basin. The Eastern side of Rome held on till the fall of Constantinople to the Ottoman Empire which stamped out Christianity pretty much with the onslaught of Islam.

Western Europe held fast to the little light they had under the Catholic popes until the Reformation (remember just after the fall of Constantinople). The Reformation took hold and wherever it held sway you had economic growth and freedom to the extent that the gospel was allowed. The predominantly Roman Catholic countries were poorer and more restricted. Same with the Eastern Orthodox, now centred in Russia, Greece and the remnants of Christianity left within the Ottoman Empire.

Whats the difference between the groups? The Protestant Reformation encouraged Bible Reading, individual Bible Study. Schools taught kids to read and write so that they could be Biblically literate. Eastern Orthodox and Catholicism restricted the Bible. THAT IN ONE NUTSHELL IS THE BIG DIFFERENCE in every country everywhere. Where the Bible has freedom, the people do. Where the Bible is restricted the people are. And economics follows that freedom.

America gets it's start as Columbus sails west, then the Pilgrims seeking religious and economic freedom follow.

The missionary movements begin, and as Britain and some other European churches sent missionaries all over, quickly followed by the American missionaries.

I'm painting with a very broad brush here, it's the overview not the particulars that are important.

If America goes down the tubes, so what?

Well that to my eyes is part of the final leg of the westward torch of light. It's almost time to hand the baton over to the Jews again as God refocuses on Israel and the Jews and their salvation.

The Bible (and Babylon, see above) are both going to be heading east again. One to Israel and the Jews, the other to form Babylon.

The world is really the tale of 2 Cities- Jerusalem and Babylon.

Western Civilization was built on the foundation of the Bible. Western Civilization has been destroying it's own foundations now for a while. It's falling apart. Babylon is within the world. The Bible is within the Church. They are at war.

IT CANNOT STAND

For a time it stood- as a refuge in various countries for the Jews. Till persecution moved them on. America is the last stepping stone before the Jews return home to Israel by God's hand.

It stood as a deterrent to Russia. God doesn't allow Gog to rise till the time appointed. It still stands by a thread, protecting Israel from the UN but barely.

The Restrainer is IN THE CHURCH. To the degree the church is allowed to be in a nation, to act freely, that nation will ALSO function as a deterrent to sin and decay.

This is not about the fall of America as it is about the fall of the church at the end of the church age. The APOSTASY. It's here.

God used various evangelistic efforts (thinking of Billy Graham and others) to maintain the salt and light aspect of the church and hold back the apostasy till it's time.

Well here we are and it's a depressing view or as Jan Markell says it "It's getting gloriously dark".

And that is the point of the decay that we see that bothers us. It's the growing tide of evil that will wash over the planet when we are gone in the Rapture. It is the growing threat from the old dragon who wants to devour Israel and the Church.

It HAS to be this way at this end of history.

When we go up, the baton we carried since the Cross, will go back to the Jews.

And I'm convinced we are nearly there. But how close, I don't know. I do know that as we keep our eyes on the Lord, reaching out to the lost around us, doing the last little bits of evangelism till the fulness of the gentiles is gathered in, we are doing the very thing that will be rewarded with Him saying:

Well done thou good and faithful servant.

 

[Hol]

To the degree the church is allowed to be in a nation, to act freely, that nation will ALSO function as a deterrent to sin and decay.

 

[mattfivefour]

I think the things that argue for a soon return (soon being relative with God's timetable not ours) we should see a growing apostasy in the church (Laodicea forming) at around the time we see Israel coming back to the land.

Exactly what we have been seeing. The days are growing shorter and, therefore, the work more necessary. (I'm preaching to myself here.)

 

[mattfivefour]

Whats the difference between the groups? The Protestant Reformation encouraged Bible Reading, individual Bible Study. Schools taught kids to read and write so that they could be Biblically literate. Eastern Orthodox and Catholicism restricted the Bible. THAT IN ONE NUTSHELL IS THE BIG DIFFERENCE in every country everywhere. Where the Bible has freedom, the people do. Where the Bible is restricted the people are. And economics follows that freedom.

May I suggest that at root the above is as simple as this: where God is honored, God blesses.

Want a home that is blessed? Honor God. Want a community that is blessed? Honor God. Want a nation that is blessed? Honor God.

This is why first Britain and then America were so greatly blessed. But through the institutionalization of faith (read that as the changing of the gospel from relationship to religion) Britain turned against God. And look at her now. Through the deceit of riches, America has turned against God. We are seeing the rotten fruit already. And it is putrifying rapidly. Just as prophesied thousands of years ago. The good news for all who are willing to accept it is that 2 Chronicles 7:14 is as valid today as it was when it was given 450 years before Christ. If we each live heeding its message, it will not save this world: but it will make an impact, and it will definitely contribute to the growth of the kingdom of God. Surely this is our role and our responsibility.

 

[Amethyst]

By my human reasoning, for the world to be just like 'in the days of Noah' or 'days of Lot' I would think it would have to be a lot further along in sin than it is in order for the MDT to pan out by 2033.
I mean, Lot couldn't even have guests over without being harassed and assaulted.

 

[Almost Heaven]

By my human reasoning, for the world to be just like 'in the days of Noah' or 'days of Lot' I would think it would have to be a lot further along in sin than it is in order for the MDT to pan out by 2033.
I mean, Lot couldn't even have guests over without being harassed and assaulted.

I understand your reasoning. I'm going to take it a different way. I think we were given the examples of the "days of Noah and Lot "for 2 specific harbingers.

In Noah's time we had a corrupted gene pool. The Nephilim. Genesis Chapter 6 details this along with every thought being continually evil. I think that also comes from people being born from "fallen angel fathers".
“The Savior could not be born of a demon-possessed mother. So if Satan could succeed in infecting the entire race, the deliverer could not come.” And Satan almost succeeded. The race was so polluted that God found it necessary to start again with Noah and his sons, and to imprison the demons that did this so they could never do this again. And yet, we are messing with DNA once again.

In Lot's time sexual sin was great, with the focus primarily on homosexuality. I don't think I need to say anymore. We all know how far we have fallen into that pit.

Credit enduring word commentary Genesis 6...https://enduringword.com/bible-commentary/genesis-6/

 

[Amethyst]

Hmm . i don't know how he got that Israel wouldn't be alone based on that verse he provided, other than that i don't think he's too far off the mark.

Your comment randomly popped into my head today

But makes me


Per Don's comments/speculation in that article:

The ongoing war will spread to the north and then Iran will be dealt with. I do not believe Israel goes it alone against Iran. The following wording in Jeremiah 49:36 suggests Elam (the Persian Gulf coast) will be attacked by air from many directions.

And upon Elam will I bring the four winds from the four quarters of heaven, and will scatter them toward all those winds; and there shall be no nation whither the outcasts of Elam shall not come.

Iran now has missiles that can hit Europe. They and the Arab nations are not going to allow Iran to have nuclear weapons to threaten their cities.
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Kind of interesting with all the activity lately.

 

[Spartan Sprinter]

Your comment randomly popped into my head today

But makes me


Per Don's comments/speculation in that article:

The ongoing war will spread to the north and then Iran will be dealt with. I do not believe Israel goes it alone against Iran. The following wording in Jeremiah 49:36 suggests Elam (the Persian Gulf coast) will be attacked by air from many directions.


Iran now has missiles that can hit Europe. They and the Arab nations are not going to allow Iran to have nuclear weapons to threaten their cities.
____________

Kind of interesting with all the activity lately.

Yep it's interestimg that this is happening close to Israel's fall feasts.

The next 2 -3.months could get very in teresting in the middle east indeed

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

Agree. This theory has been around for a long time. However, when noted biblical scholars disagree on the time between Adam, and Jesus, its then questionable about the dating.

I dont know of any scripture that leads one to believe that because God created the Earth in 6 days, then rested on the 7th, is equal to the time from Adam until the MK.

The two Scriptures that jump out at me that might indicate this are in Psalm 90 and 2 Peter:

1 Lord, thou hast been our dwelling place in all generations.
2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.
3 Thou turnest man to destruction; and sayest, Return, ye children of men.
4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
5 Thou carriest them away as with a flood; they are as a sleep: in the morning they are like grass which groweth up.
6 In the morning it flourisheth, and groweth up; in the evening it is cut down, and withereth.
7 For we are consumed by thine anger, and by thy wrath are we troubled.
8 Thou hast set our iniquities before thee, our secret sins in the light of thy countenance.
9 For all our days are passed away in thy wrath: we spend our years as a tale that is told.
10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.
11 Who knoweth the power of thine anger? even according to thy fear, so is thy wrath.
12 So teach us to number our days, that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom.
13 Return, O Lord, how long? and let it repent thee concerning thy servants.
14 O satisfy us early with thy mercy; that we may rejoice and be glad all our days.
15 Make us glad according to the days wherein thou hast afflicted us, and the years wherein we have seen evil.
16 Let thy work appear unto thy servants, and thy glory unto their children.
17 And let the beauty of the Lord our God be upon us: and establish thou the work of our hands upon us; yea, the work of our hands establish thou it.
Psalm 90, KJV

1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2 Peter 3:1-10, KJV

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

Even if the Millennial-Day Theory is correct, there are so many calculations of the year of Creation, even when the same sources are consulted, it would be hard to figure out exactly (or even closely approximating) where we are on the timeline. And that's without calendar changes, calendar tampering, etc.

Here are a few examples:

Eliezer Shulman, in Sequence of Events in the Old Testament, which uses the Masoretic Text (MT), from which KJV is translated, to calculate, the world was created in year 0 (Jewish reckoning), and the Flood was year 1656.
1948 years from Creation until birth of Abraham, and 3760 years from the birth of Abraham until the establishment of the State of Israel (total 5708 years).
3760 years from Creation until the beginning of the Common Era, and 1948 years until the establishment of the State of Israel (total 5708 years).
So, Shulman shows Creation to be 3760 BCE.

Clarence Larkin, in Dispensational Truth, unfortunately subscribed to the "gap theory" and wrote there were an unknown number of years from Creation until the Fall. However, he agreed on 1656 years from Fall to the Flood.

Ken Johnson, in The Ancient Dead Sea Scroll Calendar, has Creation in Year 1 instead of 0.
He also shows 1656 years from Creation to the Flood, and 1948 years from Creation to the birth of Abraham
Further, destruction of Solomon's Temple in 3338, correlated with 537 BCE in extra-Biblical sources, for a calculated Creation year of 3925 BC.

Archbishop Ussher calculated the year of Creation to be 4004 BC. from the Masoretic Text of the Old Testament, with the Flood year to be 2349 BC, which would be 1655 or 1656 years from Creation, depending on the months selected. Ironically, Ussher died in 1656 AD

Ussher chronology - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

pdf of Ussher's work (Latin) available free at the Internet Archive:

Annales Veteris et Novi Testamenti, a prima mundi origine deducti. Una cum rerum Asiaticarum et Aegyptiacarum chronico, a temporis historici principio usque ad extremum templi et reipublicæ Judaicæ excidium producto. Jacobo Usserio, Archiep. Armachano et Hiberniæ Primate ; digestore. Accedunt tria ejusdem opuscola, 1. De chronologia Veteris Testamenti. 2. De Macedonum et Asianorum anno solari. 3. De symbolis. Quibus omnibus præfixa est Jacobi Usserii vita, à Th. Smitho S.T.D. conscripta

by Ussher, James, 1581-1656

Annales Veteris et Novi Testamenti, a prima mundi origine deducti. Una cum rerum Asiaticarum et Aegyptiacarum chronico, a temporis historici principio usque ad extremum templi et reipublicæ Judaicæ excidium producto. Jacobo Usserio, Archiep. Armachan

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[Margery]

I mentioned my problem with the Mill. Day Theory upthread but didn't explain. (I like the theory, I think it's a good one, but it's just a theory till it proves true)

The problem with the Millennial Day theory is that at some point soon we bump into the end point.

Jesus was crucified in a narrow time frame- we aren't totally sure but AD 31 - 33 are the years left to choose from now if this theory is correct.

The heart of the theory is to get approximately 2000 years from the Crucifixion Resurrection and Ascension to the end of the Trib and beginning of the next and final 7th Millennial "Day" of 1000 years- Christ's Millennial Reign.

So it dates Christ's RETURN, not the Rapture.

But that also dates the beginning of the Tribulation, 7 years prior to His Return and the start of His Millennial Reign.

No matter when Creation is dated and by whom, there is one fixed set of years that the Crucifixion happened within.

Scholars argue but it's some year between AD 28-33. We can now rule out AD 28 -30 because taking 7 years off for the Trib, those would place the start of the Trib in 2021 or 2022 or 2023. Didn't happen.

We are in 2024- more than half way thru.

We have a start point for the clock, based on Jesus crucifixion. Passover in one of these years.

So if the Mill. Day theory is accurate then it times out in the spring of 2033. Fall if Jesus returns in the Fall of 2033.

Take 7 years off and that means 2026 is the latest start point for the Tribulation. (IF THIS THEORY HOLDS TRUE- and we need to remember it's a theory, from a fallible human point of view. The Bible is God's Infallible Word, this theory is merely based on a particular interpretation of the Bible only)


so

Right now we have:
AD 31 - plus 2k, 2031 AD - take away 7 for the Trib and we arrive at 2024 for the start of the Tribulation.
AD 32- plus 2K is 2032 AD - take away 7 for the Trib and we arrive at 2025
AD 33 - plus 2K is 2033 AD - take away 7 for the Trib and we arrive at 2026 as the final end point IF the Millennial Day Theory is correct. IF Jesus returned at the Fall feasts of that year it makes it the end of September in 2033. Rosh Hashanah begins Sept 24 of that year.



While it's an exciting possibility that we could see the rapture within the next 2 plus years,

there is also the unsettling possibility that our human calculations fall short of God's perfect plan.



I definitely agree we see "The Day of the Lord" aka the Tribulation period approaching fast.

Before that Day begins (with the signing of the covenant) we are out of here.

The big question with this theory is whether or not these next 2 plus years at the most will see us Raptured..



So the bottom line is, this theory has got great possibilities, and I sincerely hope it's true



BUT the closer we get to that time window closing the more I worry that we had it wrong.

Just like those who worked out a generation as 40 years and tied it to the rebirth of Israel as a nation and got very excited about 1988. The fig tree generation.

At first they pegged it as 40 years. After 1988 came and went they began to recalculate a generation as 70-80 years. That times out at 2028. Lately we've had a lot of teachers talking about that generation being counted from the beginning of the Tribulation because it's in the Olivet discourse and that is aimed at the Tribulation mostly. (not all of it. Luke 21 makes a specific reference to 70 AD, which saved the lives of the Christians living in Jerusalem then, but Matthew and Mark are strictly Tribulation period)


Theories are great, they sound wonderful on paper. It's when they get tested that you find out which were the right ones and which were the duds.

Bottom line, I hope it's right. I hope we are out of here in the next 2-3 years, but if we aren't I'm going to continue to eagerly look for His Appearing, for the Rapture to take us up and out of here before the Wrath of The Lamb falls on this earth.

I plan on the Rapture any moment, but I also plan for a future here on earth until He comes.

Meanwhile this side of the Rapture we get a crown for longing for His return. No exceptions. All those who long for and love His appearing. And that includes those brothers and sisters given to date setting whether once in a while or routinely every year. All those who long for and love His appearing. Including those of us who don't like date setting and stay far away. All those who long for and love His appearing.

2 Timothy 4:8​

8 Finally, there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give to me on that Day, and not to me only but also to all who have loved His appearing.

 

[mattfivefour]

Well, it is possible that the Millennial-Day theory may receive a boost to its credibility due to something else in the Bible: the Feasts of Israel. As you all know, if you have been following my teaching over the years, I believe that the seven Great Feasts that God gave to Israel in the Torah are pictures of God's full dealings with mankind, from the finishing of His work of Redemption to the finishing of His work of Restoration. In other words, the seven feasts picture everything from Christ removing sin from man to Christ removing Satan from the world, thus restoring everything to right relationship with God.

This is why the Bible says that God has not done anything that He has not already revealed to his people through his prophets. Just as in the Tabernacle --and everything associated with it, including the sacrifices-- God gave us a picture of Jesus and His entire plan of salvation, so too in the feasts He gave us a picture of everything He was going to do. So, let's examine this right now, because it relates to the Rapture, and its timing.

The four spring feasts are as follows:

1. Pesach (Passover) represented Christ's atoning sacrifice,
2. Chag haMatzot (the Feast of Unleavened Bread) --which immediately followed Passover, beginning the instant it ended-- involved the removal of everything impure, thus picturing the removal of sin
3. Chag ha-Bikkurim (the Feast of First Fruits) pictured Christ's resurrection. It occurs during the seven days of Passover, on the first day of the week (Sunday for us) following the Sabbath after the Passover sacrifice. So, if Christ was crucified on Friday, it would be the third day.
4. Shavuot (Pentecost) marked the beginning of the wheat harvest and is a picture of the beginning of the Church, which was created to spread the gospel and bring in the harvest of souls...made possible, of course, by the coming of the Holy Spirit to indwell Christ's followers.

All of these great acts of God happened in exact accordance with each of the feasts. Therefore it should not surprise us to learn that the final three major events in God's complete plan are represented by the three fall feasts that are yet to come. Here they are in their biblical order.

1. Yom Teruah (the Feast of Trumpets) when I personally believe the Rapture will occur, ushering in the "time of Jacob's trouble." (By the way, this feast is most commonly known as Rosh Hashanah, the Jewish New Year.)
2. Yom Kippur (the Day of Atonement) when I believe God will bring Israel to a point where they will engage in deep personal and national repentance before the Lord God and cry out for their Messiah
3. Sukkot (the Feast of Tabernacles) when I believe Christ will return and dwell with Israel, ruling the earth from Jerusalem.

I draw your attention to The Feast of Trumpets. It is also known, in Hebrew idiom, as "the day that no one knows." It is called this because it is the only feast day in the Hebrew calendar that does not have a fixed start time, but only starts when two official witnesses see the very first sliver or sign of the new moon that begins that month and that festival. There is a 48 hour window for this to occur, therefore "no man knows the day or the hour." This year, the Feast of Trumpets will occur in the 2-day period between sundown October 2 and sundown October 4.

When the seven festivals are finally fulfilled, God's purpose for history will be fulfilled. (By the way, before we continue, have you ever pondered the fact that there are seven feasts? Just as God created the world in seven literal days, and may well have laid out everything in seven prophetic days (that is to say 1000 year periods -- hence the Millennial-Day theory) I believe He will restore it in seven figurative days. And just as on the seventh day of Creation He rested, His creative work being complete, surely He will rest on the seventh day of Re-creation, which is the seventh feast...that being Tabernacles when Messiah will dwell among humanity here on earth, thus marking the completion of God's work of restoration of the world to Himself.)

"But pastor," I hear someone say, "you have said many times that the feasts are for Israel, not the Church. How come you are now saying that the Feast of Trumpets is the Rapture? That would make the feast for the Church." Not at all. It is the Feast of Trumpets, not the Feast of Trumpet. Yes, the trumpet will sound calling all of us home, who believe in Jesus Christ for our salvation. But that is not the only event being marked. God uses trumpets for many purposes, in order to signal significant events and to issue warnings. When we leave, the restrainer leaves, and the time of Jacob's trouble will begin.

The Feast of Trumpets lasts 10 days, and leads up to the great and terrible Day of Atonement. That is why those days are referred to as the Days of Awe. During them, Jews prepare to ask God for forgiveness of their sins by repenting of those sins and forgiving others who have sinned against them. The minute these days end, the solemn Day of Atonement begins. Oh! what a day that will be when Israel finally cries out in agony of heart for its Messiah!

Anyway, my precious brothers and sisters, that is what I believe God has opened up to me to share. Throughout my ministry, God has, from time to time, illuminated certain doctrines, not as a result of any effort on my part to come to an understanding, but purely by Him placing them into my mind in His time, and for His purpose. And it is at this very moment in time that I feel the freedom in my spirit to share the message I am sharing right now. I believe God wants us all to understand the significance of what is happening now. He wants us to understand the time we are in and the time we have left to serve Him before we are removed and the Great Tribulation begins.

Before I get to the conclusion of my message, I want to speak about timing. If my understanding of the feasts is correct --and I believe it is-- the Rapture will occur on a Feast of Trumpets. How soon that particular feast may occur depends first of all on whether we are in "the season" or not. I believe we are. Second of all, it depends on when ”the fullness of the gentiles” (Romans 11:25) occurs; and THAT no one knows, except God. But surely we are close.

Now please, please, PLEASE understand that I am NOT saying the Rapture will occur this October, although it could. But I believe it will occur in an October on a Feast of Trumpets in the not to distant future. At best, I believe we only have a few years. Maybe not even that many. So, are we to rejoice that we're almost out of here? It's certainly something to rejoice about. What could be better than that? But are we to focus on the Rapture and our deliverance from this body of flesh? I suggest not.

What is it that Christ commanded us to be doing when He left? It was to be sharing the Gospel. Do you think He will be pleased if when He comes for us He finds us doing everything but? Do you think at that moment we will be glad we have been focusing the greatest pay of our attention on our lives, our jobs, our finances, our plans, our earthly dreams, or anything else? Only you can answer for yourself. I know I will not be feeling good about myself when I look Jesus in the eye, if the main focus of my life at that point has not been serving my Lord and Savior.

In the process of laying this message on my heart and freeing me in my spirit to finally deliver it, He has strongly impressed on me that now is the time to begin doing what He has called us to do, and to do so with our whole hearts. We have entered a very serious time ... not simply in the history of the world, but in the history of mankind. We are entering a time different from every other time that has existed since the world began. Things are about to change and change dramatically. And you and I are about to see it.

But God has not called us to be spectators of what is happening. He has not called us to merely report on what we see, nor speculate on events. He has called us to be about His work. And so, in love, but in the strongest terms possible, I encourage each one of you to focus on what the Holy Spirit places into your heart. For me it's one thing; for you it will possibly be another. Each one of us has been given gifts and ministries. Let us employ our gifts and pursue our ministries with our whole hearts.

The day of the Lord is at hand, the day of our departure is close, and once we leave this earth we will never earn another reward. What we have earned by the time we leave this earth will be what we have for eternity. This Earth is the one place where you and I can demonstrate our faithfulness to God and store up for ourselves rewards in Heaven that we will enjoy for all eternity. Let us not miss our remaining chances to do so.

Brothers and sisters, dearly beloved of God, I encourage you now to enter a new phase of living, a new phase of serving. I believe that as you set your hearts to obey Him, He will speak to you ... through His Word, or directly into your spirit. But He will speak to you, it will always align with His Word, and He will lead you in the way in which you should go from this point onward. What He gives to you, please share with everyone you can; just as I am sharing with you what He has given to me. And, in fact, please share this message with other mature Christians whom you know will benefit from it.

I am praying for each of you. Please pray for me and for Andrea. Let all of us, each one of us, fulfill the ministries that God has given us. And please do not be panicked by what's happening in the world or even in your family. Don't be panicked by this message. Do not be panicked with the thoughts of unsaved loved ones. Trust God. He has everything under control. He has heard your prayers and He will do what is perfect and right. Just focus on Him and follow Him wherever and however He leads you.

I love each individual one of you in Christ. As does Andrea. What a truly exciting time we live in! What a truly awesome God we serve! And what a privilege He has given us to be alive and to be allowed to serve Him at this exact point in history! Hallelujah! Glory to His name! Now please go forth and, encouraged by the message I have shared, make full proof (as the KJV puts it) of your ministry. In other words, take your gifts and use them. May God bless you as you do.

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

Tangent . . . I've always thought of Jesus' birth (Christmas) as fulfilling Hanukkah.

Neither are commanded, but each is celebrated as thanksgiving to God for the miracle of light: the Jews for the 8 days the oil burned, and the Christians for the Light of the World. Jesus was circumcised 8 days later, just as the oil arrived at the Temple 8 days later.

Both are festivals of light.

Even if Jesus was born in September, as some say, since life begins at conception, Jesus still came into the world around Christmas.

 

[Tall Timbers]

So if the Mill. Day theory is accurate then it times out in the spring of 2033. Fall if Jesus returns in the Fall of 2033.

I draw your attention to The Feast of Trumpets. It is also known, in Hebrew idiom, as "the day that no one knows." It is called this because it is the only feast day in the Hebrew calendar that does not have a fixed start time, but only starts when two official witnesses see the very first sliver or sign of the new moon that begins that month and that festival. There is a 48 hour window for this to occur, therefore "no man knows the day or the hour." This year, the Feast of Trumpets will occur in the 2-day period between sundown October 2 and sundown October 4.

Given the above quotes, if we time out in 2033, and if there is a gap between the Rapture and the start of Tribulation that lasts more than several days, say a year or two... then time is very short if all of the time calculations are correct.

We are certainly well into the season in which the Rapture and then the Tribulation will occur. I would never say it has to be this year or next as that is folly, but we're certainly in the season. It's an exciting time we live in. Not a safe time for Believers, but an exciting time none-the-less.

 

[Greg]

Put me down in the camp of also believing the feast are significant to all of God's people, not just Israel. I've felt that four of them could be likely Rapture candidates. Well, one of those on my list isn't exactly a feast, but it could make sense. Anyway, God is a God of perfection and order, and He gets even the smallest of details right. And everything ties together.

I pray often about the main thrust of what Adrian said, however, and would judge myself harshly on that account. I keep hoping God will send me a softball to step out of my comfort zone (and there have been a couple times he has) and that I'll be faithful.

 

[PaidInFull]

Coming in late on this thread I was wondering where to leap in as there has sure been some interesting branches, and I love the discussions on all sides for iron sharpens iron.

I have been studying the feasts and the laws for about 10 years and how it all ties in with the 6 days as 6,000 years. Dr. Ken Johnson points out that in the early church letters in the Dead Sea Scrolls pre AD200 they 'guessed' that the great tribulation would begin in 2025 and some of these letters mention being in the presence of the elderly Peter and John. This 6 day 6,000 years belief was inherited by the church for the rabbinical sages believed this to be the case in ages past. The ancient Biblical Hebrew writing is the only 3-D language in the world and every letter has a numerical value with one being represented by 1 and also 1,000.

The early church wrote that Jesus died in AD32, they added 2 days or 2,000 years to 2032, and then subtracted 7 years to arrive at their guess for 2025 for when the great tribulation would begin. They did not believe in imminence before the signs and times and seasons were in place and as Peter said...

But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day. 2Pet.3:8

We have the genealogies and we can do the count ourselves to see that what the early church wrote is correct, that 2025 is a good ball park figure. If they are close let alone correct, then the next 17 months are likely to be shocking as to how fast prophetic events speed up as they are getting faster by the week as it is.

Jude tells us we must earnestly contend for the faith in the time of the end. Think about that: Jude is telling us we are going to be caught in a great conflict and the number one issue will be the sexual sins of the fallen angels. Everything from gender bender laws to personal pronouns will be the battle ground while Romans 1 throws mother earth (climate change laws) into the mix - all this is happening right now and the laws are being drafted as we discuss these things.

I favor NEOM as Babylon because it is in Edom by the Red Sea and also because I want outta here asap! I followed the money early on and when I was on RF guessed that after the big crash in the markets that is coming in the near future, Babylon creates the next bull market with all the great merchants investing there. NEOM is to be officially launched in 2025 with a goal of completion in 2030, and they won't meet that deadline which is not unusual for such a massive contract. Throw a major ME war into the mix and it stretches further out.

If however Babylon is on the same site as ancient Babylon, then it can be a long time before that comes to reality. As far as I know, there are no plans for a new Babylon and no investment. Even with AI it is likely to take a year at the earliest to put plans together and without AI several years for something on that scale... and then comes the investment proposals. So if Andy Woods is correct, then Babylon and the second coming are decades away.

I don't think there is much of a gap between the rapture and the wrath of God. When they say peace and safety sudden destruction comes and this is in the context of the rapture and the day of the Lord.

When we examine the 12 themes of the Feast of Trumpets, there seems to be a connection between the rapture and the time of Jacob's Trouble. All the rapture themes are being celebrated in the opening of the gates of heaven, the coronation of the King, the marriage of Messiah, the wave offering, but there is one that doesn't fit the setting of celebration - Jacob's Trouble. For this reason and Paul's reference to the rapture in the setting of the day of the Lord beginning, I think the feast of trumpets is telling us these are connected.

It takes 7 days for a priest to be locked inside the temple for his inauguration and only on the 8th day can he begin to minister. To fulfill the temple laws and the priesthood laws, Jesus had to enter heaven as our Savior, also fulfilling the Kinsman Redeemer Laws. After the resurrection He appeared to two disciples and to Mary and gave Mary instructions for the comfort of the disciples that He had to present His body to the Father. This is when Jesus was appointed as our great high priest,

Then on the 8th day He walked through the locked door like a ghost and freaked Thomas out. Jesus completed His 40 days since the resurrection and then HE entered heaven as our forerunner having been made out great high priest earlier. First He entered Heaven as our Savior. Next He entered heaven as our Forerunner. When you understand what a forerunner is, we cannot be raptured back to earth in a post-trib rapture. It is impossible or Jesus is not the forerunner.

19This hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and steadfast, and which enters the Presence behind the veil, 20where the forerunner has entered for us, even Jesus, having become High Priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek. Heb.6

This is where a study of the forerunner in ancient maritime history pays dividends. Okay I have jumped around enough here but to conclude, 6 days as 6,000 according to the early church is just about up. We need 7 days representing 7 years in heaven when we are made priests and kings and remember, this all begins with adoption!

Maranatha.

 

[Greg]

I wasn't going to throw this in, but I'm fascinated by the seven days of temporary dwelling associated with Tabernacles (kind of like the Church dwelling in Heaven before returning with Jesus). I read something several years ago interpreting trumpets as indicative of the age of grace (trumpeting the good news), and atonement being Jesus' atoning for us (and maybe also dual fulfillment with Israel). A minority view for sure, but worth contemplating. Regardless of how it plays out, I do think time is about up. And the 2000 years I think is very significant.

Edit to add: of course, the seven days of Tabernacles could also refer to the 7000 years allotted to human history if the 2000 year thing is correct.