Amethyst
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Pete G was just promoting this guy Barry's upcoming video, am I better off to steer clear of the man?
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Spartan Sprinter
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Personally i wouldn't, he's a fella that posts videos about having rapture dreams and then saying that the rapture could be soon based on the dreams that he has.
Spartan Sprinter
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I think Pete endorses him because Pete doesn't mind discussing hypothetical rapture scenarios
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Here' a 2min highlight reel about some of the stuff he's said - YouTube
Depends - everyone is different.
I wouldn't recommend him - I steer clear now that I know what the 4 of them (Tyler of Gen 2434, Chooch, Barry S and Dr Barry Awe) are about, but Pete seems to like them, as does Watchman River both of whom I like so it also might be a personal tolerance thing.
I'm sure they are saved. They are sincere. I actually think they mean well.
I don't think they fully realize what havoc they create in some of the people watching them. I saw it Aug of 23 in the comment sections. Heartbreaking.
I like speculation in smaller manageable quantities, rather like hot sauce on my eggs. A little dab will do me. And it has to have a solid Biblical base especially if it is speculation.
Maybe they've changed, turned over a new leaf - I hope.
I watched the four of them in Aug of 23 when they were doing their 9th of Av dance in August being the new Pentecost (as opposed to the old one that we are all used to around June)) and therefore the Rapture.
Which of course came and went. Then Dr Barry Awe started up again for the fall feasts and Tyler nor he nor the other two apologized or seemed in any way ashamed. Dr Awe (a chiropractor) has had several other dates since including another crack at the 9th of Av this August. Hopefully he's better at cracking spines than setting dates.
The one value of seeing them do this, is noticing how subtle the emphasis on date setting, without actually date setting. How carefully they phrase it so that they are never quite saying it's for sure and certain. But leaving no doubt that they actually think the more enthusiasticly you swallow their KoolAid, the better pleased the Lord is with your sincere "watching".
Pete Garcia thinks clearly and even when speculating he has clear Biblical arguments. Even if he's wrong - his methods are good. He doesn't cherry pick proof texts, ignore others and camp out on non biblical sources.
Speaking of non Biblical sources - I like a bit of Enoch, who doesn't? -Its a fine view of what people were thinking and teaching in the centuries just before Jesus was born. The Jewish historical texts like Jasher, Seder Olam, or Gad also add context which helps understand the mind set of the time, maybe add historical anecdotes that may or may not be true. All fine and dandy kept in their places.
But they are NOT Scripture, they are fallible and they shouldn't be used to bring in something completely out of thin air like say -- the 9th of Av thing being the "real" Pentecost. Based on a over emphasis of one aspect of the Essene Dead Sea Scrolls calendar system. Taken completely out of context.
Maybe because I do watch Dr Ken Johnson a lot, I knew that they were twisting the DSS Essene stuff WAY out of proportion. Heaven help us if they ever get going on some of the other non canonical extra biblical historical sources.
So long answer to say Your Mileage May Vary. And knowing you I suspect you will have your own "Weird Twitch-O-Meter" going off inside your spirit quite nicely.
If you don't and you end up enjoying them like Pete Garcia does, (and others that I respect), then you might look squinty at me a bit and wonder if I'm maybe a little too legalistic. And that might be right too. I have wondered if I got that way as I turned into a crusty old lady with far too many opinions.
Spartan Sprinter
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Yeah lets see how creative they get this month and OctoberDepends - everyone is different.
I wouldn't recommend him - I steer clear now that I know what the 4 of them (Tyler of Gen 2434, Chooch, Barry S and Dr Barry Awe) are about, but Pete seems to like them, as does Watchman River both of whom I like so it also might be a personal tolerance thing.
I'm sure they are saved. They are sincere. I actually think they mean well.
I don't think they fully realize what havoc they create in some of the people watching them. I saw it Aug of 23 in the comment sections. Heartbreaking.
I like speculation in smaller manageable quantities, rather like hot sauce on my eggs. A little dab will do me. And it has to have a solid Biblical base especially if it is speculation.
Maybe they've changed, turned over a new leaf - I hope.
I watched the four of them in Aug of 23 when they were doing their 9th of Av dance in August being the new Pentecost (as opposed to the old one that we are all used to around June)) and therefore the Rapture.
Which of course came and went. Then Dr Barry Awe started up again for the fall feasts and Tyler nor he nor the other two apologized or seemed in any way ashamed. Dr Awe (a chiropractor) has had several other dates since including another crack at the 9th of Av this August. Hopefully he's better at cracking spines than setting dates.
The one value of seeing them do this, is noticing how subtle the emphasis on date setting, without actually date setting. How carefully they phrase it so that they are never quite saying it's for sure and certain. But leaving no doubt that they actually think the more enthusiasticly you swallow their KoolAid, the better pleased the Lord is with your sincere "watching".
Pete Garcia thinks clearly and even when speculating he has clear Biblical arguments. Even if he's wrong - his methods are good. He doesn't cherry pick proof texts, ignore others and camp out on non biblical sources.
Speaking of non Biblical sources - I like a bit of Enoch, who doesn't? -Its a fine view of what people were thinking and teaching in the centuries just before Jesus was born. The Jewish historical texts like Jasher, Seder Olam, or Gad also add context which helps understand the mind set of the time, maybe add historical anecdotes that may or may not be true. All fine and dandy kept in their places.
But they are NOT Scripture, they are fallible and they shouldn't be used to bring in something completely out of thin air like say -- the 9th of Av thing being the "real" Pentecost. Based on a over emphasis of one aspect of the Essene Dead Sea Scrolls calendar system. Taken completely out of context.
Maybe because I do watch Dr Ken Johnson a lot, I knew that they were twisting the DSS Essene stuff WAY out of proportion. Heaven help us if they ever get going on some of the other non canonical extra biblical historical sources.
So long answer to say Your Mileage May Vary. And knowing you I suspect you will have your own "Weird Twitch-O-Meter" going off inside your spirit quite nicely.
If you don't and you end up enjoying them like Pete Garcia does, (and others that I respect), then you might look squinty at me a bit and wonder if I'm maybe a little too legalistic. And that might be right too. I have wondered if I got that way as I turned into a crusty old lady with far too many opinions.
Yeah lets see how creative they get this month and October
yup, top marks for enthusiastic creativity for sure!And maybe the value of their speculating lies in keeping it fun.
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Wise advice Margery
Amethyst
† He hath shed his own blood for my soul
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This is the last paragraph of the article posted below, a good read if you have the time :
Isn’t it amazing that next year, in 2025, we will be in the same time frame as when Jesus began his earthly ministry? The two spring new moons are nearly identical except for a nine-day difference (out of 1995 years). Could it be we are in the season of the Lord’s return? In the next installment, we will go even further back into the time of Moses and Joshua and look at the timing of the first three Passovers (and the new moons that preceded them) recorded in the Bible.
Until then, “Look up, and lift your heads, because your redemption draws near” (Luke 21:28).
Isn’t it amazing that next year, in 2025, we will be in the same time frame as when Jesus began his earthly ministry? The two spring new moons are nearly identical except for a nine-day difference (out of 1995 years). Could it be we are in the season of the Lord’s return? In the next installment, we will go even further back into the time of Moses and Joshua and look at the timing of the first three Passovers (and the new moons that preceded them) recorded in the Bible.
Until then, “Look up, and lift your heads, because your redemption draws near” (Luke 21:28).
Amethyst
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I declare this man EX-COMMUNICADO !!!
Especially after this spiel:
"It seems more than obvious to me that the Lord does not want His people to know exactly where we are on His divine timeline. Why? I believe it has everything to do with the rapture and the fact that all future Bible prophecy has been put into the Father’s hands alone (Mark 13:32, Acts 1:6-7, Psalm 110:1, and 1 Corinthians 15:24-28)."
Of course God wants us to know where we are on his timeline, maybe not to predict his coming but to still watch and try and live fruitful lives for him before he calls us home.
I like Mark Becker. He makes some good points but lands a little further in the other direction therefore perhaps a little bit of over correction on the other end of date setting.
Starting with the not knowing the day or hour - if we are to take that scripture in context with the rest of Scripture, what do we do with Paul's sentence "as we see the day approaching" in Hebrews 10:25? Obviously they were expecting the Lord back then too so expectancy is built into the Rapture.
Paul says "but you brethren are not in darkness" in 1 Thess 5:4 obviously expecting that the church WOULD know when the time was coming.
2 Thess 2 Paul gives a correction to those who thought they were in the Tribulation, reminded them of previous teaching and explained that the AC - the man of sin hasn't shown up. He was speaking to people in the early days of Nero's reign. They were sure Nero was the AC and they were in the Trib. For the "scholars" who say it's later, they forget that Paul was beheaded by Nero. He wrote 1 & 2 Thess, and he couldn't have written something after being beheaded, therefore it's in the early part of Nero's rule.
Paul was giving a correction that it wasn't then. The apostasy comes first - whether that is the apostasy of the church falling away from good teaching or the Rapture, it doesn't matter- because Paul makes it clear that the apostasy (whatever way we take it) comes first.
So those 3 passages all give the impression that Christians would, even should know the general time frame.
So yes we don't know the day or hour, but I think we can know the season, or "see the day approaching". That comes as we see things that can only be inside the Tribulation start to shape up around us. Things like satellite systems and cellphones so the whole world can see the 2 Witnesses in Jerusalem come back to life. In previous decades it would have been impossible to have the entire planet under a single monetary system or world govt. With computers, and now AI what was once a puzzle has become realistic.
Knowing the season, seeing the day approaching doesn't give us licence to set dates- because that does get into the day or hour.
I loved him including the genetic research angle because that Genetics Research Confirms Biblical Timeline does confirm the 6000 year theory of the age of mankind.
As for the timelines coming out with a 168 year variance, that simply says how close this all is. 168 years is still close when looking at a 6K timeline. So people differ on the date of creation, or Egypt, or even the Cross (although that is about a 4 year variance). Bottom line it's less than 200 years out any way you look at the timeline, and the date of the Cross may well be something that all of time revolves around.
Bottom line it's all pretty close. So that doesn't wash out the millennial day theory, only the people who use it to set exact dates or suggest that it absolutely HAS to all be fulfilled by the 2K anniversary of the Cross. What if it turns out to be the 2K anniversary of the destruction of the Temple and the absolute end of the sacrificial system? (I don't think so but what if) God is in charge of history and whenever the time is right, He will send the Lord to get us and whenever the time is right He will allow the signing of the infernal covenant between death and Hades that Isaiah references, as well as Daniel.
I like how he puts this:
"No one should ever be able to say in heaven, “I am the only one who accurately calculated God’s chronological timeline,” to the exclusion of everyone else. This is Creator God’s divine chronological timeline and not ours; though, as His creations made in His image, God certainly desires us to know approximately where we are, hence all the internal historical Biblical data He provided to us."
As he gets into the measurements of time, the different calendar systems, I agree with him, there is a lot of variation and the Bible doesn't clear it all up.
There are hints though. The date of Jesus arriving in Jerusalem- the date in 1948 of them becoming a nation, 1967 when they got the Temple mount back and then inexplicably refused to keep it. Those are embedded within certain time prophecies- 1948 and 1967 only becoming obvious after they happened. Jesus scolds the Pharisees for not knowing the day and hour when He presented Himself on Palm Sunday. It was clearly predicted by Daniel, as Sir Robert Anderson laid out for us to plainly see.
The recent discovery of the Essene calendar system which is ongoing, (see Dr Ken Johnson's work) sheds further light on how the Essenes saw time, and how they calculated Passover- differently to the Pharisees and Sadducees. Oddly enough the Essenes had predicted that what we know of as 32AD would be the year.
When he gets annoyed with the people who insist on exact 4K year dates here I agree with him. It's approximate. The ancient understanding of Elijah's ages was always approximate. It wasn't precise. (Although the time God gives a precise date thru Daniel, for Jesus to ride in on the donkey presenting Himself as the Messiah, Son of David, they SHOULD have known)
Although we'd all like to know precisely when the world began, Abraham was called (that is supposed to be approx 2K) and from Abraham to Christ is approx 2K. The age of grace is approx 2K followed by the millennial reign.
Date setters need precision, so they read that into things. It doesn't change the approximate time frame.
I also agree with him here:
"To our readers who get excited when they hear someone project a day, or a date, or a timeframe for the rapture of the church: Are you tired of having your heart broken? It does not have to be this way. If we just watch and wait as our Lord commanded us, we will never be disappointed."
I don't see a problem with a general time frame as speculation- a theory as long as people aren't dogmatic about it because time frames come and go. I saw a lot of hype around the 40 years of Israel back in the 80's. Harold Camping and others -88 reasons why Christ will return in 88.
I think he's right about too much of this speculation raising people's hopes and then they become the scoffers that Peter warned of "where is the promise of His coming?"
But that passage points to an even deeper problem with how people would view the Word of God in the end times. How the flood of Noah and Creation itself would be under attack. And it's all related according to Peter. They don't just scoff at the Rapture or the Second Coming. They don't seem to care about the Flood or Creation. It's like they deny the bookends of the Bible. Which is exactly what we see today in the church.
I've always thought this passage isn't just speaking about unbelievers. It's about people who have heard of Creation, and Noah's Flood and deny it happened because everything just rolls along like it always does. Uniform processes of change over billions of years.
If we believe in a real Creation (and fall of Adam), and a real Flood, then we need to pay attention to the prophecies in the Bible and that would include the coming of Jesus.
But somewhere along the line, a lot of people would start to scoff. And today the scoffing isn't coming from the world so much, it's within the Church. The world doesn't care if we think God created everything in a set of 7 literal days or the billions of years that the Old Earth Creationists theorize. They look at us like they look at people who believe the earth is flat, or a giant turtle etc. We are a joke, nothing more.
The people who get angry and scoff are the ones within the church who've maybe had one too many encounters with a date setter and decided that is never going to happen. They seek out alternative theological positions that exclude the Rapture at least in the near term.
But to turn that back around, Peter notes that is one of the signs of the very last days. The scoffers weren't a feature of the early church. The church of the dark to middle ages had already forgotten that teaching.
The time of the scoffers is within the last 200 years or around the time dispensationalism rediscovered the Rapture which had been a feature of the early church.
So here we all are. Scoffers are scoffing, date setters are setting dates, people are getting disappointed and losing hope and it looks awfully like the season to me.
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On a sidenote i hate it when people use the psalm 90 application to either 1947 or 1967 to date set.
That was a well structured post Margery, maybe you can email that to Mark as a gentle rebuttal to his article LOL
Amethyst
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Too much.......? 
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Actually in a sense it's more much ado about nothing. They really want us to think the Rapture is about to happen any second, which of course it is. So nothing new there. But then they really seem to want to say it's going to happen on a specific day or week; but every time they get to the verge of saying this is when it's going to happen, they back off. Which, of course, is what they should do because nobody knows the day or the hour. So basically, when all is said and done, they're saying we're in the season, which I think we already know. So at times they were on the verge of too much, but actually for nearly all of it they were more of the same. Nonetheless, it was interesting to read. I always like reading opinions about where we are on the timeline ... whether I agree with them all or not.Too much.......?
Caleb, Trump, and Tying Together the Final Prophetic Pieces
It was around 1406 BC that Israel finally entered the promised land under the guidance of Joshua. The Jewish nation had wandered in the wilderness 40 years after leaving Egypt because they failed to trust God to deliver the coveted land into their possession. But now it was time to finally cross...
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Exactly. It is always high on His list or priorities - like "What will they do with the understanding I have given them?" That is the key to so much prophecy."
Amen. If you compare His first coming and expect His second coming to be similar - What we do with the light that we HAVE will make a difference. It may not make
a difference concerning our eternal redemption. It may make a difference upon our overcoming in a timely manner.
But the people who know their God will show strength and take action. (Dan. 11:32b)
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While we are eagerly awaiting Him He in turn is eagerly await for us to be filled up more with His Spirit.
We say " Hurry Lord and come back." And He may say "Child I'm waiting for you to be filled up in your living with Me."
In this was we not only expect His coming. We also hasten it like the Apostle Peter wrote -
Expecting and hastening the coming of the day of God, . . . (2 Pet. 3:12a)
Let me share a Scripture song on that verse.
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We say " Hurry Lord and come back." And He may say "Child I'm waiting for you to be filled up in your living with Me."
In this was we not only expect His coming. We also hasten it like the Apostle Peter wrote -
Expecting and hastening the coming of the day of God, . . . (2 Pet. 3:12a)
Let me share a Scripture song on that verse.
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Pete Garcia did an update video on the now 2 year window with Tyler of Gen 2434. What I found interesting was a nice chart on his site here:
which is covered in his talk on YouTube here on Tyler's site - YouTube however if you want the short cliff notes, see the chart. The video is 2 hours long but if you watch it on fast forward it helps. I started and bogged down part way, I don't have 2 hours to devote to it, and the bit I watched recapped much of the first videos on the 4 year window.
He makes a couple of good points on the chart showing where the Matt 24 signs start (around the time Israel becomes a nation as Pete includes the Fig Tree as a sign as many prophecy teachers do - not all though) and when it goes beyond that. For further explanation the video should cover it in the first version 2 years ago and this one.
One of his points is the population collapse of Russia and China estimated around 2048. That is a key concept because of Gog Magog prophecies, and the one about the giant army from the East in the Tribulation.
The first version is in 2 parts; part 1 - YouTube and part 2 - YouTube
He points out that the tech for Rev 11 & 13 really peaks during the 2020 to 2033 period, and after that Pete often points out future tech goes beyond that if the pace of tech continues. To recap Rev 11 is the 2 Witnesses- everyone is able to watch in real time as they come back to life and ascend to heaven. Suggesting cell phones and satellite tech. Rev 13 is the Mark of the Beast- global tracking, global currency tied to a person and able to be withheld by the govt so no gold or cash or barter easily available. In previous talks Pete does expand on a lot of how tech really fits into this as a sign of where on the timeline things could be for the Tribulation period.
Other points- the 1967 reunification of Jerusalem (this is also when the West Bank was taken back by Israel after losing it 19 years earlier in 1948) and the retaking of the Gaza strip from Egypt who took it in 48.
2027 is 60 years from the reunification of Jerusalem, West Bank (Judea and Samaria aka The Mountains of Israel)
2028 is 80 years from the birth of Israel
and 2025 is the 70th Jubilee (I forget how Pete calculates that but he's not alone in that number. Ken Johnson and others also point it out relating back to the Jubilee cycles in known history)
which is covered in his talk on YouTube here on Tyler's site - YouTube however if you want the short cliff notes, see the chart. The video is 2 hours long but if you watch it on fast forward it helps. I started and bogged down part way, I don't have 2 hours to devote to it, and the bit I watched recapped much of the first videos on the 4 year window.
He makes a couple of good points on the chart showing where the Matt 24 signs start (around the time Israel becomes a nation as Pete includes the Fig Tree as a sign as many prophecy teachers do - not all though) and when it goes beyond that. For further explanation the video should cover it in the first version 2 years ago and this one.
One of his points is the population collapse of Russia and China estimated around 2048. That is a key concept because of Gog Magog prophecies, and the one about the giant army from the East in the Tribulation.
The first version is in 2 parts; part 1 - YouTube and part 2 - YouTube
He points out that the tech for Rev 11 & 13 really peaks during the 2020 to 2033 period, and after that Pete often points out future tech goes beyond that if the pace of tech continues. To recap Rev 11 is the 2 Witnesses- everyone is able to watch in real time as they come back to life and ascend to heaven. Suggesting cell phones and satellite tech. Rev 13 is the Mark of the Beast- global tracking, global currency tied to a person and able to be withheld by the govt so no gold or cash or barter easily available. In previous talks Pete does expand on a lot of how tech really fits into this as a sign of where on the timeline things could be for the Tribulation period.
Other points- the 1967 reunification of Jerusalem (this is also when the West Bank was taken back by Israel after losing it 19 years earlier in 1948) and the retaking of the Gaza strip from Egypt who took it in 48.
2027 is 60 years from the reunification of Jerusalem, West Bank (Judea and Samaria aka The Mountains of Israel)
2028 is 80 years from the birth of Israel
and 2025 is the 70th Jubilee (I forget how Pete calculates that but he's not alone in that number. Ken Johnson and others also point it out relating back to the Jubilee cycles in known history)
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