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Mystery NJ drones are coming from Iranian mothership offshore, congressman suggests: ‘Should be shot down’

A New Jersey congressman claimed Wednesday that the mystery drones over the Garden State are from Iran, and they’re being launched by a mothership parked off the East Coast.

Rep. Jeff Van Drew, a Republican, said the drones “very possibly could be” from Iran, citing confidential sources during an appearance on Fox News Wednesday morning.

“I’m going to tell you the real deal. Iran launched a mothership that contains these drones,” Van Drew said. “It’s off the East Coast of the United States of America. They’ve launched drones.”

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If they are over the ocean, then they are searching over the ocean.
Most of what seems to making the news if it can be called that as it is mostly on social media is that they drones are coming up out of the ocean. Now if you are not a flat earther type then that make sense because a ship well out past the horizion will not be seen but a drone gaining altitude before heading in land would look like it is coming out of the ocean as we don't see its source. Not sure they are actually doing flight over the ocean as they seem to be interest in military, government and nuclear facilities or at least that is what is being reported by both official news and social media reports.
 
detects gamma ray radiation
Lets talk a little about this area. The core of nuclear weapons is the "pit" Pits have been made of U-235 and Pu-239. Today Pu-239 is the preferred material.

If they lost a nuke, they are looking for the "pit" it is all that matters. The rest is scrap metal/stuff without the pit. Perhaps the size of a softball-ish. Since it is nuclear material, it is constantly decaying with a half life. The half life (time to cut activity in half) for Pu-239 is 24,200 years. The half life for U-235 is 703,800,000 years.

Primary decay products: Pu-239 decays primarily through Alpha Particle (2 protons & 2 neutrons) at 5.16 MeV and becomes U-235. U-235 decay products are formed through a series of alpha, beta, and gamma emissions, ultimately resulting in the stable isotope lead-207.

Now how can we detect nuclear decay products? There are likely satellite sensors, airborne sensors (both fixed wing and helicopter), land based detectors in trucks and vehicles, and hand held detectors (geiger type counters). Some of these sensors are spectrometers, and can gather enough data to actually tell you where the "fuel" came from, as in what batch and what country. The so called Geli detector, also known as a lithium-drifted germanium (GeLi) detector, is a type of semiconductor detector used to measure ionizing radiation, particularly gamma radiation. It is very accurate and cooled with liquid nitrogen. Advances in cooling technology have enabled the development of portable, cryogen-free Geli detectors, making them more accessible for field applications. Next in line is the NaI detector. It is widely used for detecting and measuring radiation, particularly gamma radiation. Sodium iodide (NaI) is a scintillator material that exhibits scintillation, or luminescence, when excited by ionizing radiation. When a gamma photon interacts with the NaI crystal, it absorbs the energy and releases a burst of light, which is then detected by a photomultiplier tube (PMT) or other electronic light sensor. NaI are not as sensitive or accurate as NaI detectors.

Why are they using drones? Why at night? Likely shielding. Alpha particles are easily shielded. A sheet of paper will do it. So you have to go after secondary decay products. The closer you are the more sensitive you will be. So things get better as you go from satellite > to high altitude aircraft > helicopters > drones > trucks > handheld. My guess is they are looking for gamma radiation coming from decay products.

Also the drones may be doing gas sniffing. I have yet to figure what gas they are after. It fits with night time when things are "stiller" and there is less activity in the air and on the streets. But decay gas isotopes would be so diluted... perhaps they have something not in the literature.

If there is any physical damage to the "pit" and if it is not in its intended surroundings, it won't go "off." The material is the making of a dirty bomb however. Pu is bad stuff if atomized and dispersed.

Dear Father in Heaven, if this is the threat to America, we ask Your divine hand to have this material found by God fearing and righteous authorities. There is so much we distrust in today's world... but we cling to You. We want to live according to Your will and Your ways. We ask Your protection upon all who are Yours and call upon Your name. Protect those who may be on the front line in this endeavor. In Jesus Name we pray.
 
Dear Father in Heaven, if this is the threat to America, we ask Your divine hand to have this material found by God fearing and righteous authorities. There is so much we distrust in today's world... but we cling to You. We want to live according to Your will and Your ways. We ask Your protection upon all who are Yours and call upon Your name. Protect those who may be on the front line in this endeavor. In Jesus Name we pray.
:pray::pray: Amen and amen.
 
Depends on the size and design. Some are very small barely the size of the palm of your hand then there are those called Reapers that are the size of a small plane. One thing I have difficulty with is that for the most part those that are visible in images seem to be of the quad copter or multi blade copter types. With the exception of some actual helicopter shaped the size of RC models and the one very small nano that has a single set of blades and can be held between the thumb and forefinger for launch, the majority for military drones are some kind of winged drone require forward movement to stay airborne. The largest are fairly well known like the MQ4, RQ4, and MQ1 which are flown internationally from they US to hot spots in other parts of the world. Hence my desire to see what people are thinking is out there. I suspect some are looking at only online images which are often not clear enough to see more than a point of light which could be anything from a distant lightening bug to distant plane or a small like sent up on a helium balloon. So the size will vary based on the mission. Those that carry a load are even well past 6 foot to 8 foot.

This is why I am asking about what people think they see or have seen or if possible have images of. As of now the number of claims of what they are varies to the number of people making the claims. The images I have managed to see that were not some joke meme are few and most of them appear to be of a quad copter VTOL type. Of the multi rotor types that I have seen in images on line that actually show something more than just lights the largest I seen are quadcopter, what appear to be commercial as they have the necessary FAA identifying light configuration of red on the port side and green on the starboard side with other lights above and below as necessary. None of those would likely be strong enough nor big enough to carry even an old full size Civil Defense Geiger counter.

Then there is nature of Geiger counters as they mainly designed to tell you at any given point in time what they radiation levels are where they are triggered. Turn them off and the data is lost not stored. There are a couple that to allow for short term storage of data but they are of a greater size, weight, and cost than the more simple dosimeter types down to what someone working in a nuclear facility would wear on their clothing.

All this brings to question in my mind the alleged lost nuke out of Ukraine, some Iranian owned and operated ship off the coast flying drone in land at night and back out in the morning. That also raises another question is that the supposed real drones shown are all shown at night. I have seen some done in the day but several of those turned out to be spoofs from people doing day images and sneaking them onto the internet to push some idea or another about the drones. So like the info that such drones were being used as sniffers sent me looking because the AF has had the WC-135s for many years to detect nuclear detonations. Those are still operational to this day and sometimes seen on flight tracking programs and websites. Makes the idea of using drones for the same thing seem strange as they would not have the range of detection that a WC-135 has.

I am just trying to work through as many possibilities as people can come up with to get a handle on what may well be just another internet hoax.
 
Then there is nature of Geiger counters as they mainly designed to tell you at any given point in time what they radiation levels are where they are triggered. Turn them off and the data is lost not stored.
Given that I’m guessing…

GIS mapping is capable of logging live data points. I’d imagine that there is software to capture a geiger counter reading.
 
there is software to capture a geiger counter reading.
I think I posted this before. Here is a link to the geiger counter world map https://www.gmcmap.com/ My geiger is on there. It runs once a day and reports results to the map. The map has gotten a bit flakey in the past month. Many geigers are not showing. This used to happen off and on, and would clear up in a day or two when the system got rebooted. This is not a real big buck operation. It was pretty neat when all the geigers would show up.

Checked on the geiger map forum... guess the map is under attack with people posting false entries for political purposes... Quote from the forum: "
Numerous people are manually entering false high CMP values in the map in order to create fear for the purpose of click baiting & accumulating likes on numerous online platforms with the claim of high radiation in those areas.

The GMCMap now has so many false manual entries that it is no longer a viable source to check world radiation rates.

Secondly, People that see these fake posts are going to the GMCMap to verify the claims which has made the site extremely overloaded and slow.

Please consider removing the feature that allows manual data entry and removing all of the manual CPM entries that have been made over the past few weeks to restore the integrity of the site data."

Too bad evil people ruined a great resource.
 
What in the world did we even do in the East? None of my friends have a good (satisfactory) answer and they are all as disgruntled as anyone else. I mean what, we ran endless ops, raids, and kicked in enough doors to place a fresh one at the front door of every citizen in our nation? I'm glad we drove them into caves and some people got to go to school, etc., but nation building? There? Come on.

I get it, the last things are not going to be a picnic, I just wish it wasn't all so silly. And this? We go from one box of barbaric sand to this dystopian modern-day sludge of talking refrigerators and drones looking for radioactive material on our own soil due to some hill chief's incompetence while unaccounted for line crossers run amok, unchecked? Ugh, not like this. But I'm not going to lie, I hope I fight one robot in CQ combat before it takes me out. I really hope it speaks. It just has to speak. That'd be a way to go. I could live...die with that. ☺️

I hope "your" robot at least has hydraulic fluid . . . something wet and red, anyways. Warm (maybe from the motor(s)) would be better.
 
Most of what seems to making the news if it can be called that as it is mostly on social media is that they drones are coming up out of the ocean. Now if you are not a flat earther type then that make sense because a ship well out past the horizion will not be seen but a drone gaining altitude before heading in land would look like it is coming out of the ocean as we don't see its source. Not sure they are actually doing flight over the ocean as they seem to be interest in military, government and nuclear facilities or at least that is what is being reported by both official news and social media reports.
and there are drones capable of underwater
 
Question for you... what was a nuke doing in Ukraine? Whose was it? Ours? Russian? Chinese? EU? Pakistan? NK?

The USSR had nuclear weapons throughout their country before it fragmented.
When the USSR fragmented, there was great concern all over the world about the security of their nuclear weapons, materials, data, documents, etc., and alarm that islamic terrorists could get their hands on said weapons, etc. Some of what occurred back then is still classified, and some of it has been seeping out to the public since the USSR Russian Gog invasion of Crimea in 2014.
 
I think I posted this before. Here is a link to the geiger counter world map https://www.gmcmap.com/ My geiger is on there. It runs once a day and reports results to the map. The map has gotten a bit flakey in the past month. Many geigers are not showing. This used to happen off and on, and would clear up in a day or two when the system got rebooted. This is not a real big buck operation. It was pretty neat when all the geigers would show up.

Checked on the geiger map forum... guess the map is under attack with people posting false entries for political purposes... Quote from the forum: "
Numerous people are manually entering false high CMP values in the map in order to create fear for the purpose of click baiting & accumulating likes on numerous online platforms with the claim of high radiation in those areas.

The GMCMap now has so many false manual entries that it is no longer a viable source to check world radiation rates.

Secondly, People that see these fake posts are going to the GMCMap to verify the claims which has made the site extremely overloaded and slow.

Please consider removing the feature that allows manual data entry and removing all of the manual CPM entries that have been made over the past few weeks to restore the integrity of the site data."

Too bad evil people ruined a great resource.
See this is why I asked. I had not know about a world wide monitor of radiation readings. I have booked marked the site even though it may not be good now. It was more than I had before. Best I had was my little cheap Chernobyl one bought off of eBay when we started getting supposed reports of high radiation levels in Pacific fish. I would take it to the store with me every time I went to go past the fish counter slowly and wait and see if it clicked off. Never saw more than what is considered normal back ground readings and much of that coming in from space. But I have it none the less because I never know when it my come in handy so I booked marked the site as well.
 
Question for you... what was a nuke doing in Ukraine? Whose was it? Ours? Russian? Chinese? EU? Pakistan? NK?
To the best of my knowledge is that Ukraine being on the black sea and US air base in Turkey it was likely a soviet medium range nuke for use in Turkey or some part of southern Europe. As the collapse came there were lots of problems in the change over from the old Soviet military to the new Russia. I do remember hearing that Soviet Sub in bases on the East side at the Pacific often got turned into quasi hotels for the family of Soviet navy folks at the time of the change as money was not flowing well and it brought on pretty hard times for those in the military so the made use of what was available. Like many things that cannot be verified but do sound plausible we will likely never know to what extent of truth such stories are.

As to had ownership, the obvious answer would be the Soviet Union as I don't know of any countries outside using Soviet soil for nuclear facilities.
 
A dear internet friend who is a Chaplain, posted this on another board. I thought it would be uplifting for us too!

Good morning Friends

What do we fear?

Do we fear the unknown?

Do we fear the future?

Do we fear for our lives?

Do we fear the lack of control?

We are not supposed to fear the things of this world.

If we are in Christ and he is our God and Savior, then we are already victorious as our sure hope is in him.

Fear is a tool that comes from Satan to keep our faith in God at a “low” or even negligible.

We are to remain, and be strong and brave by faith in God’s Word and promises.

Let your foundation of faith be undeterred or weakened by the enemy who seeks to destroy it, but rather, be resolved all the more to increase its strength and power.

Deuteronomy 31:6
“Be strong and of good courage, do not fear nor be afraid of them; for the Lord your God, He is the One who goes with you. He will not leave you nor forsake you.”

Blessings friends
🙏♥️
 
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