Kem
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Impossible because Jesus tells us "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. John 6:37
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Lordship Salvation, Part 3 (John 5:24) Andy Woods
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pixelpusher
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What a great series of threads!
I was also under this idea of LS, and as many of you noted, it was an absolutely miserable, terrifying time. I about wore holes in my Bible going back and forth over it. We were still on dial up internet at the time, but I read a lot at The Berean Call. Finally I was on a press check one night and I went over to the mall for a cup of coffee while the pressman was hanging plates. I wandered into the bookstore, and a slim book by Charles Stanley caught my eye, "Eternal Security", which I devoured, and it really helped me put everything into proper perspective.
I was also under this idea of LS, and as many of you noted, it was an absolutely miserable, terrifying time. I about wore holes in my Bible going back and forth over it. We were still on dial up internet at the time, but I read a lot at The Berean Call. Finally I was on a press check one night and I went over to the mall for a cup of coffee while the pressman was hanging plates. I wandered into the bookstore, and a slim book by Charles Stanley caught my eye, "Eternal Security", which I devoured, and it really helped me put everything into proper perspective.
Best summary of this topic I've ever read! This should be taught in seminary.
Andiamo
Hanging on to the Throne
Really! Haha. I will put in some job applications and attach your comment as a letter of recommendation
Andiamo
Hanging on to the Throne
Oh yeah, when I’m beating myself up that’s the last thing I need to hear! How sad that this happens to people!!! This is their time to be directed toward the cross, not make them doubt that they are really His!!! Now I’m mad!I have the same issues as you know, per the Rewards thread.
But for others who are the same and then to be told on top of it, well maybe you arent even one of the chosen, would just be devastating.
Andiamo
Hanging on to the Throne
How very sweet of the Lord to lead you to that book. This is such love! This is what the Lord does with everyone who are His, when we are all screwed up and on the wrong track!
Eric Nicholas
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Really! Haha. I will put in some job applications and attach your comment as a letter of recommendation
Growing in Grace
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If you are interested, Dave Hunt wrote an excellent book that can give you a better understanding of what John Calvin was all about: What Love is This?
I have learned this past couple of years that Calvinists who are consistent (like James White mentioned by Eric upthread) honestly do not believe that infants and children head strait to Jesus if they die, talk about unthinkable
But that's something dating back to Augustine and the early days of Roman Catholicism. They taught that if an infant didn't get baptized it was going strait to hell. An example given was two mothers had newborns. One mom was a known prostitute and the other a God loving, church attending mom. As each journeyed to get their infant baptized the godly mother was involved in an accident that killed her baby. The prostitute's infant was baptized.
Augustine and the RCC taught that the godly mom's baby went to hell.
Andiamo
Hanging on to the Throne
Thank you - I may order that. My husband and I have been talking and now he is horrified about it.If you are interested, Dave Hunt wrote an excellent book that can give you a better understanding of what John Calvin was all about: What Love is This?
I have learned this past couple of years that Calvinists who are consistent (like James White mentioned by Eric upthread) honestly do not believe that infants and children head strait to Jesus if they die, talk about unthinkable
But that's something dating back to Augustine and the early days of Roman Catholicism. They taught that if an infant didn't get baptized it was going strait to hell. An example given was two mothers had newborns. One mom was a known prostitute and the other a God loving, church attending mom. As each journeyed to get their infant baptized the godly mother was involved in an accident that killed her baby. The prostitute's infant was baptized.
Augustine and the RCC taught that the godly mom's baby went to hell.
Growing in Grace
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It kinda reads like a novel and it's in paperback.
