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That's why I said, "if that's what you hold to".
I hear you but maybe instead of “you” you could have said “someone.” It would frustrate me to no end if someone still left that as an “if” after I clearly and strongly stated in several posts that I did not hold to those things.
What I said was fine.
You did and it was really really good.
Thank you, Andi.
It is true that he is a Calvinist. He says a lot of good things and is quoted a lot. But I have also read stories of quite a few people who left his church because they were constantly questioning if they were even a Christian and it really hurt their faith. So clearly he is placing a heavy load on people and making them doubt grace. I think maybe those of us who watch his videos aren’t feeling it like those in the pews do there. I wouldn’t survive in there for sure. I already beat myself up so much as it is.
That happened to me. I used to just love John and R.C.'s sermons. I loved John's sermons about the end of things. I remember R.C.'s "The Tyranny of the Weaker Brother". I loved it. I amen'd right through it. I loved their presentation and the seriousness of their churches. No big screen televisions or flashly lights. Just the pulpit and the congregation and the echoes of the pastor, bouncing off the walls.
I'm offended.
Gosh that is awful. I have listened to Sproul a few times and had no idea he said that. Apparently he thinks that only people who never sin make it to heaven. If that was the case Heaven would be empty! There is nothing to “deceive ourselves” about! I am a sinner, Jesus died on the cross and paid for my sins. I will be in Heaven because of that, and that’s no deception.
R.C. Sproul scared me to death during that sermon. I was already circling the drain, and then he finished me off with that. It hit so hard, I still have to remind myself that what he said isn't the truth. I still struggle with it. My posts are as much for me as anyone and I'm not kidding. My flesh still asks me, "You really think it's that simple?".
True. And I'm going to be annoying you for at least 1 billion years in the hereafter. Pray He tarries for your sake. And that's for not looking at my posts. I'm that petty. Ta!
He is careful with his words. However, its not hard to find a sermon of his preaching calvinism. If anyone understands TULIP, and knows what to listen for, the proof is in his own words.
Eric or someone, please explain something to me. I thought calvinists believed in eternal security so how can Sproul have said this about himself? Could it just have been a poor choice of words on his part, using the word “I” making it appear he was questioning himself but he was really speaking of unsaved people in hell?
They don't have coherent beliefs. They believe in grace but backload works. They believe in eternal security, yet can't promote assurance of security. The problem is they don't know if they are actually saved. I've heard some in their camp call their contradictory beliefs "parallel truths" as if that rescues them. I have heard more than just RC say that re salvation. John Piper and a whole list of fellow travelers have made similar statements. RC just made it sound terrifying.
Thank you. I shared the quote with someone at my church and found it on Ligonier Ministries website and she appears to believe that the context is according to the statement under the video clip: “
