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1 Second After The Rapture
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There was a book somewhere, I only read an excerpt from it about the Rapture causing a huge earthquake. I don't know if the author was exploring the possibilities that as we are all transformed, and the dead in Christ especially that this will create a huge "sonic boom" type of event where the normal physics have to accommodate the supernatural event that occurs in a split second.Bet there's a giant gust of upward, departing wind as The Holy Ghost departs. Probably sounding like a tornado, derecho, hurricane, etc.
Maybe the leaves, needles, pine cones, fruit, etc. will get blown or sucked off of the trees and bushes
Maybe outdoor furniture and line-hung laundry will get blown away.
What goes up, must come down, so what a mess!
If it's precipitating, a very slick, accident-causing mess
Wonder if as soon as The Holy Ghost is gone, the demons will have no fear or anyone stopping them and will boldly show themselves
Wonder how many UFOs will suddenly appear
This would all lead credence to a UFO/alien/advanced race explanation of "The Great Disappearance"
But I would like to think that my beloved Christian family members sleeping in the dust will awaken with a huge noise and an accompanying earthquake.
Because of this passage that Andy quotes here.
I think it'll be the same as what happened when Jesus died on the cross.
I think the actual graves were physically opened. In part because tombs at that time were often holes, caves, etc., which were blocked/closed with rocks (remember the stone in front of The Tomb), and the the earthquake and rocks being torn/split/broken when Jesus died, and OT saints leaving their grave after Jesus' resurrection, as recorded in The Gospel narratives.
I think Josephus provides third-party corroboration and additional details of the events surrounding the crucifixion. Need to find a free pdf online so I can reference what he wrote about this and be sure.
50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
54 Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.
Matthew 27:50-54, KJV
My favorite verse, so had to include and bold it
Can't wait to meet the Centurion, salute him, and thank him for doing his duty
And I am sure you are right because that is definitely ringing some bells in my memory- Josephus wasn't a Christian but he did attest to a lot of things that happened, and he did so truthfully.
I'd agree with that. I think He does take the children, but if He doesn't (and I look at the Flood and Sodom and Gomorrah for that example) then when they die He will take them to be with Him out of the pain and misery on Earth at that time.
This thread is wonderful!
I think whether or not there is an earthquake/sonic boom heard round the world or whether or not the children go, the biggest immediate and noticeable change in the lives of the earth dwellers will be the removal of the Restrainer. THAT alone will cause an explosion of evil that would be impossible for us to comprehend.
I see a progression from the unsaved in the world and the prophecy deniers in the church seeing life as relatively normal- a progression of days, not too different from the past. If they spot a death spiral they are quick to deny it and offer a different explanation than the signs pointing at the nearness of the Tribulation.
If the Lord is seen as a thief, then the "owner" of the property is none other than Satan who gained a certain ownership when Adam forfeited his rights at the fall. Satan took a legal loophole and became the "god" of this world. Satan was well within his rights to offer the Lord what he did during the temptation of Christ. Christ of course withstood him but he didn't deny Satan's authority to confer all those things if Christ would only bow down and worship Satan.
We are living as servants of the TRUE OWNER of the property who is coming first to take us out, then to bring the Jews back into relationship with Him and finally to boot out the imposter Satan along with his humans that took the mark.
1Thess 5:1-3
But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
I've often thought that we leave at a massive turning point. "They" the earth dwellers are expecting Peace and Safety- NOT sudden destruction, but that comes on them as labour pains on a pregnant woman and they cannot and will not escape.
I've often wondered if it's on the eve of a war that appears to be averted in some way-- everyone is breathing a sigh of relief, dodged that bullet they might say, Peace and Safety (like Chamberlain's famous "peace in our time" quote of 1939). I don't think the AC will show up right away-- I think the removing of the Restrainer allows him to come to public knowledge but prior to the Rapture he is being hindered, stopped, kept back in the shadows.
Some war that everyone is terrified of seems to be averted- peace and safety are the expectation, the normalcy bias that Pete Garcia talks about where all is well and normal for the day ahead in Sodom & Gomorrah. Noah's neighbours too. Everyone is busy doing real estate deals, someone's throwing a wedding celebration and another person just took out a building permit. The farmer is planting a new field and life goes on.
Till it doesn't.
Then as they say, all hell breaks loose. Because nothing is restraining the demonic realm and they know their time is VERY VERY SHORT from this point on. It's why we've been seeing such an uptick of evil since 1948 when Israel came back to their land. That spoke volumes to the enemy about the timetable of events and his deadline to get ready for his 7 year best shot at defeating God. He doesn't know when!
It's interesting that we see the same analogy- the thief in the night used in 1Thess 5:1-3, over in Matthew 24:36-44. A similar passage in Luke 17:26-29 speaks of that normalcy bias. Even though a lot of the surrounding passage is to do with the Tribulation-- this Day of the Lord period has 2 comings of the Son of Man. Just before the start of the Tribulation (the start of the Trib is the covenant, not the Rapture but the Rapture allows the AC to appear in order to make that covenant) and then the END- Armageddon where Jesus destroys the armies gathered against Him both demonic and human.
Matthew 24:36-44
36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.
42 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44 So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.
Luke 17: 26 & 27
26 “Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man. 27 People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.
28 “It was the same in the days of Lot. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. 29 But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all.
Pete Garcia does a good job of pointing out the "normalcy bias" the tendency to think things go on as they always have. Peter points out in 2 Peter about the mockers and scoffers-- their big point- things continue the same as they always have.
Once the covenant is signed, and especially once the midpoint desecration of the Temple/death of the 2 Witnesses there is a countdown to the end. The end of the Tribulation is a known point. The only time that ISN'T known is the Rapture and some time after that (maybe almost immediately, maybe a gap) then the covenant is signed and that is what starts the Tribulation. From that point on, everything proceeds on a known clock ticking down the 7 years.
So I think of both comings of the Son of Man "in the days of the Son of Man" and look at which of the two fits the profile.
That gives me some points I can count on.
Don't know when the Rapture is. Nor does the enemy know. It'll be like a thief in the night. Jesus will steal His bride.
Around that time things will have a certain "normal" feel at least to the unsaved and those in the church who prefer to ignore prophecy and make it allegorical. Normalcy bias in full swing means fewer and fewer people will hear the warnings, because it's NORMAL in spite of how bad it's gotten. They are dead set on proving it's normal, bringing back normal no matter what.
The discussion of Peace and Safety is normal for humanity. So for it to be a prophetic indicator we have to look at what surrounds that talk. And that would be 1 Thess 5:3 and the sudden break into sudden destruction. Which means that all that chatter of Peace and Safety was self delusion to quiet their worst fears
PEACE AND SAFETY (don't listen to those Rapture nuts, the world is getting better again, we've turned a corner, Peace in Our Time- Safety is within our grasp)
SURPRISE.
Bye for NOW!!!then
SUDDEN DESTRUCTION
and that sets the world up for the rise of the AC onto the world stage. First the 10 kings, then the AC. The 10 kings MIGHT come before the Rapture or after.
The entire period after the Rapture is a quick slide into horror, but for the Tribulation saints and the ones during the gap (if there is one), there is a promise of salvation in Christ but it won't be easy and for many it will cost their lives. A precious few survive to the end, by the Grace of God alone and only He knows who He will preserve to the end but for the others, death. Martyrdom for many, others die by sword, famine, plague or exposure to the elements.
Excellent points sister and next time, try not to be so brief in your response..There was a book somewhere, I only read an excerpt from it about the Rapture causing a huge earthquake. I don't know if the author was exploring the possibilities that as we are all transformed, and the dead in Christ especially that this will create a huge "sonic boom" type of event where the normal physics have to accommodate the supernatural event that occurs in a split second.
But I would like to think that my beloved Christian family members sleeping in the dust will awaken with a huge noise and an accompanying earthquake.
Because of this passage that Andy quotes here.
And I am sure you are right because that is definitely ringing some bells in my memory- Josephus wasn't a Christian but he did attest to a lot of things that happened, and he did so truthfully.
I'd agree with that. I think He does take the children, but if He doesn't (and I look at the Flood and Sodom and Gomorrah for that example) then when they die He will take them to be with Him out of the pain and misery on Earth at that time.
This thread is wonderful!
I think whether or not there is an earthquake/sonic boom heard round the world or whether or not the children go, the biggest immediate and noticeable change in the lives of the earth dwellers will be the removal of the Restrainer. THAT alone will cause an explosion of evil that would be impossible for us to comprehend.
I see a progression from the unsaved in the world and the prophecy deniers in the church seeing life as relatively normal- a progression of days, not too different from the past. If they spot a death spiral they are quick to deny it and offer a different explanation than the signs pointing at the nearness of the Tribulation.
If the Lord is seen as a thief, then the "owner" of the property is none other than Satan who gained a certain ownership when Adam forfeited his rights at the fall. Satan took a legal loophole and became the "god" of this world. Satan was well within his rights to offer the Lord what he did during the temptation of Christ. Christ of course withstood him but he didn't deny Satan's authority to confer all those things if Christ would only bow down and worship Satan.
We are living as servants of the TRUE OWNER of the property who is coming first to take us out, then to bring the Jews back into relationship with Him and finally to boot out the imposter Satan along with his humans that took the mark.
1Thess 5:1-3
But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
I've often thought that we leave at a massive turning point. "They" the earth dwellers are expecting Peace and Safety- NOT sudden destruction, but that comes on them as labour pains on a pregnant woman and they cannot and will not escape.
I've often wondered if it's on the eve of a war that appears to be averted in some way-- everyone is breathing a sigh of relief, dodged that bullet they might say, Peace and Safety (like Chamberlain's famous "peace in our time" quote of 1939). I don't think the AC will show up right away-- I think the removing of the Restrainer allows him to come to public knowledge but prior to the Rapture he is being hindered, stopped, kept back in the shadows.
Some war that everyone is terrified of seems to be averted- peace and safety are the expectation, the normalcy bias that Pete Garcia talks about where all is well and normal for the day ahead in Sodom & Gomorrah. Noah's neighbours too. Everyone is busy doing real estate deals, someone's throwing a wedding celebration and another person just took out a building permit. The farmer is planting a new field and life goes on.
Till it doesn't.
Then as they say, all hell breaks loose. Because nothing is restraining the demonic realm and they know their time is VERY VERY SHORT from this point on. It's why we've been seeing such an uptick of evil since 1948 when Israel came back to their land. That spoke volumes to the enemy about the timetable of events and his deadline to get ready for his 7 year best shot at defeating God. He doesn't know when!
It's interesting that we see the same analogy- the thief in the night used in 1Thess 5:1-3, over in Matthew 24:36-44. A similar passage in Luke 17:26-29 speaks of that normalcy bias. Even though a lot of the surrounding passage is to do with the Tribulation-- this Day of the Lord period has 2 comings of the Son of Man. Just before the start of the Tribulation (the start of the Trib is the covenant, not the Rapture but the Rapture allows the AC to appear in order to make that covenant) and then the END- Armageddon where Jesus destroys the armies gathered against Him both demonic and human.
Matthew 24:36-44
36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.
42 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44 So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.
Luke 17: 26 & 27
26 “Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man. 27 People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.
28 “It was the same in the days of Lot. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. 29 But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all.
Pete Garcia does a good job of pointing out the "normalcy bias" the tendency to think things go on as they always have. Peter points out in 2 Peter about the mockers and scoffers-- their big point- things continue the same as they always have.
Once the covenant is signed, and especially once the midpoint desecration of the Temple/death of the 2 Witnesses there is a countdown to the end. The end of the Tribulation is a known point. The only time that ISN'T known is the Rapture and some time after that (maybe almost immediately, maybe a gap) then the covenant is signed and that is what starts the Tribulation. From that point on, everything proceeds on a known clock ticking down the 7 years.
So I think of both comings of the Son of Man "in the days of the Son of Man" and look at which of the two fits the profile.
That gives me some points I can count on.
Don't know when the Rapture is. Nor does the enemy know. It'll be like a thief in the night. Jesus will steal His bride.
Around that time things will have a certain "normal" feel at least to the unsaved and those in the church who prefer to ignore prophecy and make it allegorical. Normalcy bias in full swing means fewer and fewer people will hear the warnings, because it's NORMAL in spite of how bad it's gotten. They are dead set on proving it's normal, bringing back normal no matter what.
The discussion of Peace and Safety is normal for humanity. So for it to be a prophetic indicator we have to look at what surrounds that talk. And that would be 1 Thess 5:3 and the sudden break into sudden destruction. Which means that all that chatter of Peace and Safety was self delusion to quiet their worst fears
PEACE AND SAFETY (don't listen to those Rapture nuts, the world is getting better again, we've turned a corner, Peace in Our Time- Safety is within our grasp)
SURPRISE.
then
SUDDEN DESTRUCTION
and that sets the world up for the rise of the AC onto the world stage. First the 10 kings, then the AC. The 10 kings MIGHT come before the Rapture or after.
The entire period after the Rapture is a quick slide into horror, but for the Tribulation saints and the ones during the gap (if there is one), there is a promise of salvation in Christ but it won't be easy and for many it will cost their lives. A precious few survive to the end, by the Grace of God alone and only He knows who He will preserve to the end but for the others, death. Martyrdom for many, others die by sword, famine, plague or exposure to the elements.
You asked.
I think there is a gap. I think it's about 3.5 years in length due to Gog Magog and the burning of the weapons problem.
I'm going to head into one of my pet theories, which is just my own idea-- I'm not saying the rest of you have to think this way.
I think the Gog Magog war happens in that gap. Because of something that's missing in Ezekiel 38
and that is the people who DO believe in God. They aren't there in Israel-- the point of that war is to draw Israel back into relationship with God (that is the purpose of the Tribulation) and they aren't there among the nations (gentiles or goy which means gentiles in the text) as seen in both Ezekiel 38 & 39
Now the GM war could happen at any point in the Trib and even before
BUT for God to say in Ezekiel 38:23 23 And so I will show my greatness and my holiness, and I will make myself known in the sight of many nations. Then they will know that I am the Lord.’
there has to be a lack of people who DO know that God is THE Lord among the gentiles. Similar phrases repeat that theme both for Jew and Gentile alike.
Which suggests that the people of God who make up the church (Jew and Gentile together) are GONE.
So then I figured that if they are gone, but people start getting saved shortly after the Rapture-- it has to be around the time of the Rapture, just afterwards - maybe a short time, up to a few years But soon enough that NOT TOO MANY IF ANY KNOW GOD!
Now that doesn't mean they know Him as in Salvation- JUST THAT THEY KNOW THAT THIS IS THE GOD OF THE BIBLE, THE GOD OF ISRAEL AND THE CHRISTIANS. This is the one who is causing death and destruction on Gog and company for invading the Apple of God's Eye namely Israel.
It is interesting (but not proof) that sudden destruction (fire from heaven that God sends) seems to be raining down on the "isles" or "coastlands" which is any far coastline -- far from Israel which could of course be the continents or northern Europe. Not sure. But Sudden Destruction does appear in there.
Ez 39:6 I will send fire on Magog and on those who live in safety in the coastlands, and they will know that I am the Lord.
Very interesting that we see a people who "live in SAFETY" that have SUDDEN DESTRUCTION raining down on their heads.
1Thess 5:1-3
But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
This also allows the burning of weapons for 7 years - not that it has to be over by the end of the Trib - other fires such as the burning of Babylon continue thru the Millennium, but I do wonder how they continue to burn them during the second half of the Trib if the GM war occurs near the start of the Trib. At least my theory has the weapons becoming toast before the AC desecrates the Temple and the believing Jews flee for safety leaving the rest to the antisemitic rage of the AC.
So far so good
It takes care of the interesting absence of anyone, Jew or Gentile who knows who God is in Ezekiel 38 & 39.
It takes care of the full 7 years of burning the weapons from the GM war without bumping into the persecution of the Jews by the AC in the second half
It presents the interesting picture in Ezekiel 39:6 of a people who "live in SAFETY" that have SUDDEN DESTRUCTION raining down on their heads. Who happen to live "in the coastlands" which is an idiom that could mean continents on the other side of the planet from Israel or it could be Britain and others at a safe distance.
ALSO I think this war is what sets everything up for the AC to appear.- taking advantage of the sudden aftermath of the GM knocking out Gog (Russia) and Iran plus Turkey and the other nations unspecified that go in with them.
Problems with my theory- things that puzzle me
How do those 10 kings come in and how long do they last before the AC rises in their midst? Because they come before him!
Do they arise before the Rapture? (one of the early church fathers seemed to think so, but it's not canon so it's not definitive, and the others didn't comment on that)
Does Damascus set things up for Gog Magog, and if so by how long? Israel has to be living in safety unaware of the risk on the "mountains of Israel" much of which is covered by the West Bank and their band of murderous muslims at this point in time.
Could the Jews burn weapons for 7 years during the persecution of the last 3.5 years?
More questions than answers and I'm still puzzling over this and will for some time yet - probably till we go
I love that Rapture icon
I think the strongest argument for a pre-rapture Eze 38-39 has been the need for time to burn weapons for 7 years. When consideration is given to a substantial gap between the Rapture and the start of Tribulation the argument for a pre-rapture Eze 38-39 weakens.
Lots of great and educational comments on the time between the rapture and the tribulation.
After the rapture, how long could it take before global wars break out, and could they be nuclear, which then could account for the high number of deaths given for the first set of Judgments? The 4th seal judgement kills 1/4 of the earths population.
Some end times teachers speculate that the seal and the trumpet judgements happen at a very fast pace, with little time in between each one. Im not sure about this, what does anyone else think?
Back to one second after the rapture. Its extremely important our unsaved loved ones understand that they will have little time to make the wise decision after we depart before all hell breaks loose on the earth.
After the rapture, how long could it take before global wars break out, and could they be nuclear, which then could account for the high number of deaths given for the first set of Judgments? The 4th seal judgement kills 1/4 of the earths population.
Some end times teachers speculate that the seal and the trumpet judgements happen at a very fast pace, with little time in between each one. Im not sure about this, what does anyone else think?
Back to one second after the rapture. Its extremely important our unsaved loved ones understand that they will have little time to make the wise decision after we depart before all hell breaks loose on the earth.
I think the judgments commence sequentially in the order they are given in the Book of Revelation. I don't see them ending quite as neatly. I think some of the judgments will start while one or more previous ones are still active. I think there will be a lot of overlap.
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Ezekiel 38:18 This is what will happen in that day: When Gog attacks the land of Israel, my hot anger will be aroused, declares the Sovereign Lord. 19 In my zeal and fiery wrath I declare that at that time there shall be a great earthquake in the land of Israel. 20 The fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, the beasts of the field, every creature that moves along the ground, and all the people on the face of the earth will tremble at my presence. The mountains will be overturned, the cliffs will crumble and every wall will fall to the ground. 21 I will summon a sword against Gog on all my mountains, declares the Sovereign Lord. Every man’s sword will be against his brother. 22 I will execute judgment on him with plague and bloodshed; I will pour down torrents of rain, hailstones and burning sulfur on him and on his troops and on the many nations with him. 23 And so I will show my greatness and my holiness, and I will make myself known in the sight of many nations. Then they will know that I am the Lord.’
E39:7 “‘I will make known my holy name among my people Israel. I will no longer let my holy name be profaned, and the nations will know that I the Lord am the Holy One in Israel.
I'm sure it's been mentioned, but these things make me think this war happens post-Rapture, as God appears to be moving in a very OT way, in His wrath, which to me indicates that things have changed.
Burning weapons into the Millennium (one day I will learn to spell that word) doesn't bother me.
Goodboy
Just waiting for the Rapture at this point!
Personally I don't think there we be a gap at all. To me a gap would be a weird time in space as anyone who is saved during the gap will then have to go through the tribulation. I believe wrong or right that the purpose of the Rapture is to save us from the Tribulation like with Noah and Lot. If the tribulation has not yet started, then there is nothing for God to save us from.
Just my opinion.
Who knows, you could be right. My point is many Christians assume the rapture triggers the tribulation, and Daniel 9:27, clearly disputes that. The rapture and the start of the tribulation are two separate events, and all we know for sure is the rapture is first.Personally I don't think there we be a gap at all. To me a gap would be a weird time in space as anyone who is saved during the gap will then have to go through the tribulation. I believe wrong or right that the purpose of the Rapture is to save us from the Tribulation like with Noah and Lot. If the tribulation has not yet started, then there is nothing for God to save us from.
Just my opinion.
Goodboy
Just waiting for the Rapture at this point!
I would agree that the Rapture is not what triggers the Tribulation and really has nothing to do with the Tribulation. The Rapture is just an event that saves Christians from going through the Tribulation, in my opinion.
Amen to that, and thank you Jesus!
Andiamo
Hanging on to the Throne
@Ghoti Ichthus or anyone, if you find the eyewitness accounts of Josephus online I would love to read that. Or if there is a book I can purchase.
Andiamo
Hanging on to the Throne
I see them all as having missed the bus of the Church Age. A person can miss the bus by mere seconds but once it drives off, they missed it just as much as someone arriving hours late.Personally I don't think there we be a gap at all. To me a gap would be a weird time in space as anyone who is saved during the gap will then have to go through the tribulation. I believe wrong or right that the purpose of the Rapture is to save us from the Tribulation like with Noah and Lot. If the tribulation has not yet started, then there is nothing for God to save us from.
Just my opinion.
I imagine a short gap, possibly a few months. But who knows?
Goodboy
Just waiting for the Rapture at this point!
I see them all as having missed the bus of the Church Age. A person can miss the bus by mere seconds but once it drives off, they missed it just as much as someone arriving hours late.
I imagine a short gap, possibly a few months. But who knows?
My point wrong or right is there was no gap when Noah was rescued from the great flood or when Lot was rescued from the destruction of Sodom & Gomorrah, so why would there be a gap before God rescuing us from the Tribulation? What would be the purpose?
The time after the rapture could be the time needed for the OWG to fully form - if it has not already done so.My point wrong or right is there was no gap when Noah was rescued from the great flood or when Lot was rescued from the destruction of Sodom & Gomorrah, so why would there be a gap before God rescuing us from the Tribulation? What would be the purpose?
Yes, who really knows but Him.
All of us believe that the rapture is imminent which means nothing prophetically needs to happen first. Its hard to believe if the rapture happened right now, that the OWG would instantly form, and then have enough time for the AC to maneuver his way to the top leadership position. However, if the OWG is not formed pre rapture, a length of time after the rapture would allow the OWG to form.
Goodboy
Just waiting for the Rapture at this point!
In guess I am missing something or maybe I am a little slow. I get what you are saying about the OWG forming, but why would God need to rapture us before that happens? Or another way of looking at it is, why couldn't the Tribulation start before the OWG is formed? I still don't see a need for a gap, but it is not really important that I get it. So I will leave it at that.
Andiamo
Hanging on to the Throne
Mostly I just don’t see the Antichrist waiting with the covenant papers, with the “many” gathered, and having them all sign it one minute after the rapture. I’m thinking the horror of the rapture and subsequent delusion (possibly alien abduction) is part of what will be the motivation for the many to participate in the covenant. And that will take some time. Then again, it could happen to turn out that it’s 5 minutes after the rapture, and if prepared behind the scenes before then, we would never know. Also it could be done via an emergency internet virtual meeting.My point wrong or right is there was no gap when Noah was rescued from the great flood or when Lot was rescued from the destruction of Sodom & Gomorrah, so why would there be a gap before God rescuing us from the Tribulation? What would be the purpose?
Fun to think about!
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