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Trump Plans to Accept Plane from Qatar
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TCC
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Nice touch here TT
LightOfMyLife
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I thought of the same thing. I bet there is cameras, listening devices of what is being said on the plane. I am not trusting of this, and I am surprised Trump is? It sounds like it could be a setup for evil. Trump is against alcohol his deceased brother was an alcoholic.You bring up a good point @Margery. Why would the DOD accept a plane built by a foreign nation be something Trump flies around in intimately. Bugs? Tracking? Other tech? Wow. It is rumored that Trump moved the embassy from Telaviv to Jerusalem in part due to suspected spy utility built within its framework. Not sure about that. But to me it looks like a special kind of stupid to be riding around in a potential flying coffin. Wow. Decisions like this are not proportionate with a good chess player. Its insane...lol. Its like as if Trump has been drinking.
TCC
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Although i struggle with this a lot lol, I would like at this time to yield to this brother's perspective. I would say of all the views in our forum on Trump, i consider mine to be of the highest order. Not to flatter myself. In some ways i am sure that is damaging. But I do view him as a version of 1st seal imperial world class control power. I think the only greater view of Trump influence in our forum (aside from me) would be @CharlesW who (like myself in the past) has had concern of Trump being the AC.
My view of the 1st seal is positive. To me it is a bridge seal between age of grace and tribulation age. I know we look at Rev 4 & 5 and often see this as a rapture metaphorical mirror. But unlike every pretribber i know, I believe the church is on earth during the first seal and raptured at its peak. Quite the insane opposite of the 1st seal more commonly understood as the AC.
I respect Andy's sense of ways in which a Trump era works. For it is one thing for sure if nothing else, an "anomaly." And in respect of that, I would have to concur with Andy on this one...as much as obviously i have expressed i would not like to.
What is the Emoluments Clause? And how might it apply to Qatar giving Trump a plane? - Breitbart
President Donald Trump’s readiness to accept a luxury jet as a gift from the ruling family of Qatar for conversion into a presidential aircraft has
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So when Trump was in office before should he not have received income from those who stay at his hotels (those from foreign countries)? An interesting quagmire. I like what @Tall Timbers did with the trojan horse theory. As i was making my trojan horse argument, and the peanuts dribbled from my mouth (from the peanut gallery) i thought there is no way the DOD would not be able to know all of what is in the plane. So i felt like it was actually kind of a puppet argument. But it did seem that insane, for me, for them to do that. The message it sends is bad, unless it is to troll. When Trump trolls he is usually, in my estimation, rather accurate at even so very radioactive levels. In some ways, to me, Trump is the world embassador for celestial sarcasm. I say it that way because i am not comfortable with saying that he is God's ventriloquistic lap dummy critiquing the world and its absurdity through absurdity (like a Rush Limbo or Ann Coulter but perhaps with a bit more divine motif). This is not the same as a prophet. Yet it would be my version of what a seal can be. A providential address to the world through one of its own, but on steriods with the ability to chastise clandestinely as a heap of fleshy gloppidy goo. A rhetorical device if you will for our age. A mascot embassador to the Laodicean era. And with it, all the complexity of how if so a literary device like that might even function and relate to the world. A study of its own perhaps.
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For Andy -- I bold this because i know Andy does not like long posts and i am trying here to super compliment his valor in political opinion. So i am bolding this. The DOD does billions of contract work every year with Qatar. And this would seem to be in the best mutual interest of both countries. At a DOD level.
Beyond that i would just say--It does appear to have a Trump-esque troll vibe (which for me is kind of like a truth meter...lol...i know, sick, right? lol). What has been going on for decades is the FED has printed supplying globalists with enterprise money. And central banking is globalism. And the FED is head of all of that. Ultimately we need to get away from a system that prints our money for us and charges interest for the mere existence of a paper dollar. With that there have been all kinds of gifts likely given to the political fat cats on that take. So to me, this is a discussion piece for a different theater. The theater of those who steal American wealth into a system that purposely defangs American sovereignty. As an example of money laundering that does that is to charge all other countries less for drugs and America as much as 5 times those rates. Opportunity to send monies to nefarious programs globally. In addition, it would seem to add value to socialism. Which is much of the Western European world syphoning off prescription drug monies from America. Maybe socialism works at all because capitalist America subsidizes that illusion. Using American prescription money to subsidize socialism as a workable ideology. Quite the magic trick.
It is these observations that lead me to conclude that there is enough of a trolling vibe for this to be not be an issue of impropriety. Please note it came from me, one who has held disdain to consider any of this. I believe we are challenged with how providence works in our day. I believe Trump is somehow involved quite a bit in that. Blessings.
TCC
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One thing that has made things extremely more complicated for me while at the same time extremely more simplistic is how it would seem God is using Providence today. Brother and sister, as I reflect upon my decades in the church and how God so used them in my life, and seemingly would greatly support systems I would see as totally whacked and not worthy of God's attention (much less his authentic involvement in the use thereof). And this is what makes things really difficult for me to consider. Can God use His Providence (perhaps even included within the context and content of His word) in ways that we see transcend simple operating church procedures God has laid out as He will operate within the confines thereof? In other words, I look at scripture and expect God to operate a certain way in the body of Christ. Sure there are going to be things that are beyond us, a given. But it seems to me that God hath honored complete systamatics within the church that to me are as much an afront to Him as we would see Catholics doctrine. Yet, He seems to often use it as a way of submission even unto without being corrided by it ourselves...yet somehow to remain in check by certain systematics. And although I know God transcends, its almost like, to me, God endorsing extremely horrifically bad theology in the church. One way this could make sense is His sovereign right to Providence. How to use Providence in relation to His world. That is something we don't really get to have an opinion about. And something I am just beginning to consider regarding Him. Because otherwise I feel like I am left with a God that honors in huge ways Lordship Salvation. And we know here He does not. That is what I came out from. But I can say that if God used a church like that to help me even (as God would transcend) that perhaps the age of God using things that are genuinely bad for our good in Providence somewhat translates perhaps into a testament to our of Providence having a special place in God's heart today toward us).
So in the dark ages I am sure there are times God used Catholicism in people's lives to help them understand God. Because for the most part it was predominant. And just about the only or main game in town. So what would I say then? That God honors the catholic doctrines? Far from it. But that His use of them that which otherwise in His TRANSCENDANCE can help a true believer. But you see the problem, right? When He uses that over and over and over again all along the difficult course of one's life, it becomes difficult to diffuse His truth from His good use of that which is not truth. A very difficult place to discern from. Does anyone else know what I am talking about? Or does this just sound like totally martian? lol.
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My comment about Alcohol was just in gest. Metaphor for the man is drunk. But as I noted to Andy, and expand upon here, I believe there is some robust features imbedded now within the fabric of God's Providence. Something hard to accept. That God might use the things that are not in this world to perhaps even shame aspects of our own sensibilities about end time theology. And we would have to recognize His right if so, amen. And if so, then part of that might be that instead of "the sky is falling" quite the opposite. "No it is not!!!" And I don't think we sit well with that. AT least I don't...lol. I am much better off if the sky is falling. Otherwise it means I have to grow up...and think a bit more about things. Its so much more fun to just have a can a spray paint and do end time graffiti everywhere. Seems to be the bread of butter for evangelicalism. And as snarky as that may sound, I am staring to develop an healthier and more profound respect of evangelical end times views. Not because I believe they are accurate. But that God transcends in how he uses any of us. And that is shock and awe in my system. Like an earthquake that somehow found its way into the apartment and ran foughshad all over the place. As I scratch my head and pick up what looks like a porcelain plate or part of the toilet. Still trying to make that out. Blessings.
Baby Yoda
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All they have to do is plant fake info -- make up something and talk about it on the new plane. If the plane donors act on this fake info, you will know they are listening.
LightOfMyLife
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I hope there is nothing wrong with the plane mechanically. I don't know that Qatar can be trusted!
Baby Yoda
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Ghoti Ichthus
Genesis 18:32, 2 Chronicles 7:14, Acts 5:29
If it gets designated a historical artifact, particularly of his Presidency, maybe it could be.
Ghoti Ichthus
Genesis 18:32, 2 Chronicles 7:14, Acts 5:29
Too bad tribbles aren't real. There are some leaders/countries I'd like to send one to as a gift 
TCC
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What has stopped me in my tracks on this one is how much enterprise Qatar and the USA are involved in. It's not like the DOD is not radically familiar with that country. In ways it would seem like a gift from a friend you helped refinance their home, built their business from scratch with, and orchastrated much of the schooling for the kids. It seems like our ties are extremely active with Qatar. And this is the real world picture. While the one the left paints is doubt, fear, angst, bad vibes, and any other gift of good cheer that party seems to be about. I like how Buzz on X put it...
Buzz Patterson (Best NYT Selling Author/Former Carrier of the Nuke Football/Half a Million Followers on X):
I’m going to try one last time. The Qatar B-747 was built in the US by Boeing. They are offering a newer 747 to replace one of the two current AF-1s that have been flying for 40 years. Which are tired and need to be replaced. The wing based at Andrews has also purchased aircraft from other countries in the past which are currently flying our VP and senior government officials. This is NOT new.Qatar is offering the jet to the US military, not Donald Trump. The DOD contractor is based in the US, in fact my dad (a retired Air Force general) used to work for them. They are, not unironically, also working to upgrade the FAA technology as we speak. You know, Newark and elsewhere. They will get the aircraft and perform all of the security and the installation of the systems that AF-1 requires to safely move our president around the world. Not the Qatari’s. And you and I will pay for that but not the $400 million the 747 would normally cost. I could tell you exactly what is required to modify the AF-1 for safe flight but that is Top Secret and I’d have to kill you.This AF-1 will serve the sitting president, whether they be Republican or Democrat until Boeing gets their **** together to complete the new, upcoming improved 747s that started under Obama, was renegotiated under Trump, and was completely ignored by the Biden administration. It’s looking like 2029 to 2030 for delivery at the soonest. I love X but sometimes the “sky is falling” conspiracy crap grows tiresome. A little knowledge goes a long way. Having flown on the current AF-1s 100 hundred times, I have intimate knowledge.
TCC
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Nice one
Eric Nicholas
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Sen. Markwayne Mullin: Plane from Qatar ‘Has Been in Negotiations’ Under Biden AdminIstration
Sen. Markwayne Mullin (R-OK) pointed out that talks regarding Qatar giving the United States a plane to temporarily replace Air Force One began under the Biden administration.In an interview on CNN, Mullin pointed out that the U.S. needed a temporary replacement for Air Force One since President Donald Trump was “flying around on a 40-year-old plane.”
“Here’s what’s interesting to me, what the media isn’t telling you — what no one’s talking to you about, is the same 747 has been in negotiations for a year,” Mullin said. “The Biden administration is the one that started these conversations. It didn’t start underneath the Trump administration. Why? Because we need a back-up for Air Force One.”
“The President of the United States is flying around on a 40-year-old plane, and there is no back-up for it,” Mullin continued. “The back-up we had, the air frame started having structural issues. No one’s discussing that part.”
Sen. Mullin: Plane fom Qatar 'Has Been In Negotiations' Under Biden
Sen. Markwayne Mullin (R-OK) said talks of Qatar giving the U.S. a plane to replace Air Force One began under the Biden administration.
www.breitbart.com
This bit of history changes the optics on the propaganda message of "Qatar giving Trump a 747".
TCC
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Because its Trump, what will come with him is things that even those that like a lot of his policies will have issues with. And if we don't, we probably ought to rethink that (like the Trump Bible, his shift on abortion, his cuddling like a teddy bear of Mark Carny etc.). Although in each of those cases, I can see reasons for his leanings that make sense on other levels. This plane issue for me got my goat in the beginning because as a Trump whisperer I know I have to be hard on him. Lest I drink the Trump laden gummy bear coolaide and empty my mind and soul. So for me there is almost a favor to doubt Trump in my autopilot thought sequence.Sen. Markwayne Mullin: Plane from Qatar ‘Has Been in Negotiations’ Under Biden AdminIstration
Sen. Markwayne Mullin (R-OK) pointed out that talks regarding Qatar giving the United States a plane to temporarily replace Air Force One began under the Biden administration.
In an interview on CNN, Mullin pointed out that the U.S. needed a temporary replacement for Air Force One since President Donald Trump was “flying around on a 40-year-old plane.”
“Here’s what’s interesting to me, what the media isn’t telling you — what no one’s talking to you about, is the same 747 has been in negotiations for a year,” Mullin said. “The Biden administration is the one that started these conversations. It didn’t start underneath the Trump administration. Why? Because we need a back-up for Air Force One.”
“The President of the United States is flying around on a 40-year-old plane, and there is no back-up for it,” Mullin continued. “The back-up we had, the air frame started having structural issues. No one’s discussing that part.”
Sen. Mullin: Plane fom Qatar 'Has Been In Negotiations' Under Biden
Sen. Markwayne Mullin (R-OK) said talks of Qatar giving the U.S. a plane to replace Air Force One began under the Biden administration.
This bit of history changes the optics on the propaganda message of "Qatar giving Trump a 747".
But this article right here suggests TT that TDS is suppose to be normal...lol. Because THIS one caught most the the nation off guard. Think you don't have TDS...ok...give Trump a day or two...he'll find a way to help you out with that. And as comic bookie as that sounds, I believe it is par for the course. Like Linus's dust cloud...Trump walks around with the TDS plume. If you ask me, I actually think and believe its prophetic and some form of biblical afterglow...lol. Wow did that feel good to say finally..lol. Blessings.
Bethlehem57
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Amen! Ditto, ditto, ditto!I want my King.
Bethlehem57
More like Him daily until faith is sight
The “news” sure likes to meddle, leaving the truth (conveniently) out.Sen. Markwayne Mullin: Plane from Qatar ‘Has Been in Negotiations’ Under Biden AdminIstration
Sen. Markwayne Mullin (R-OK) pointed out that talks regarding Qatar giving the United States a plane to temporarily replace Air Force One began under the Biden administration.
In an interview on CNN, Mullin pointed out that the U.S. needed a temporary replacement for Air Force One since President Donald Trump was “flying around on a 40-year-old plane.”
“Here’s what’s interesting to me, what the media isn’t telling you — what no one’s talking to you about, is the same 747 has been in negotiations for a year,” Mullin said. “The Biden administration is the one that started these conversations. It didn’t start underneath the Trump administration. Why? Because we need a back-up for Air Force One.”
“The President of the United States is flying around on a 40-year-old plane, and there is no back-up for it,” Mullin continued. “The back-up we had, the air frame started having structural issues. No one’s discussing that part.”
Sen. Mullin: Plane fom Qatar 'Has Been In Negotiations' Under Biden
Sen. Markwayne Mullin (R-OK) said talks of Qatar giving the U.S. a plane to replace Air Force One began under the Biden administration.
This bit of history changes the optics on the propaganda message of "Qatar giving Trump a 747".
Ghoti Ichthus
Genesis 18:32, 2 Chronicles 7:14, Acts 5:29
By the time the process started, President Biden may not have been cognizant of what was going on. Wonder which of his handlers was responsible?
I guess we could find out if we followed the money
I guess we could find out if we followed the money
LightOfMyLife
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I wouldn't be surprised if it was Obama or Soros.By the time the process started, President Biden may not have been cognizant of what was going on. Wonder which of his handlers was responsible?
I guess we could find out if we followed the money
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