Rapture Delayed

By Terry James

Author’s note: This article was posted originally on Raptureready.com on March 7, 2016. It is re-posted here because some of the same concerns as back then are being expressed through emails and in other ways. My response remains the same because God’s Plan in regard to the Rapture hasn’t changed.
We have looked a number of times in this column at those who mock the end-times message and the Rapture in particular. Because those who scoff have been of the abrasive, unbelieving variety for the most part, there is a standard Bible verse reply I’ve usually employed in response.

The scriptural reply has most often been intended to let those mocking know that they are, in actuality, fulfilling Bible prophecy.

“Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation” (2 Peter 3:3-4).

As of late, however, such a reply doesn’t quite fit that which should compose an appropriate response. That is because the questions are coming weekly from genuine believers in the Pre-Trib Rapture of the Church. These Christians are worried–some very worried.

These look around them, and on every side they see and feel the satanic pressures from this fallen sphere closing in. Issues and events –the very ambience in which they find their lives engulfed–generate thoughts that their circumstance is beginning to look much like the Bible’s description of the Tribulation itself.

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Rapture Delayed

Author’s note: This article was posted originally on Raptureready.com on March 7, 2016. It is re-posted here because some of the same concerns as back then are being expressed through emails …

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[TCC]

Just for clarity, Woods does not believe in a partial rapture.

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Yes thanks for making that point. The series is called Partial Rapture something...

Its a subdivision on his huge rapture series i believe. There are about 7+ videos just on the partial rapture theory itself if not mistaken. And all videos are demonstrating how that is not an accurate view from scripture. Blessings.

 

[TCC]

What was the “Revelation 12” sign people were excited about?

In relation to the whole scotty clarke thing...this is where you guys can see a bit of where i differ in general from the end time watcher movement approaches in general. But with a new twist you may not have known about me, maybe. First off i'd like to say that I do not here on this forum proclaim that Sept 23, 2017 was the Revelation 12 sign. Sometimes i do consider, "Are the things we are looking at now something we will laugh about 25, 50 years from now?" Now i don't bank there. For i do believe we are in the season of end times. But i think it is healthy to also consider that only the Lord knows the timing. And we could be off a little or a lot. I believe we could. But my conviction is that we are in the season with a potential rapture within 30 seconds to out about 2030 ish is my guess. With a ground zero bang zone 2025/2026ish is my guestimation. And where i lean.

So i am not a propagator of the Rev 12 sign as 2017. But I do heavily lean in that direction for a number of reasons. Scotty Clarke being false does not effect me in anyway. If i explained the deepest reasons why though, i don't think it would be as easy to track or accept. I am not here to cause controversy. If any one is interested in that aspect i am fine sharing my views at a deeper level in private. But something of this magnitude does not go over so well in discussion board format. And since i know i am wrong somewhere or everywhere...i would see it not really healthy to get into. Not that i can't. Just...yeah if interested please IM me. But what i can say about Scotty Clarke is that he made it popular on youtube. And Joel Richardson came out to disprove it. Actually, excellent videos (2) against Rev 12 sign 2017. Joel is post trib so i don't recommend him. But by his videos to disprove the Rev 12 2017 sign, to me the arguments he made (though good) actually more so prove it might have been the Rev 12 sign. Michael Heiser identified the same constellation as scotty to pinpoint the birth in 3 BC of Christ. Heiser had no opinion of Rev 12 and 2017. Heiser's views on the unseen realm are interesting. He has some interesting reserach. But i do not subscribe to his views on angels and gods. But have seen some interesting research on the serpent on the bronze pole during Moses time. So it wasn't just scotty that saw the virgo constellation as a contender. It may not be accurate. But to me, Rev 12 shows the "beginning" period leading into the tribulation. Most seen Rev 12 as in the middle or something like that of the tribulation. I believe Rev 12 is the biggest pretrib rapture evidence in scripture with the baby going up. Dispensationalism historically has seen this view similar:

TECKY REASONS:

• Is Rev 12 a sign in the future or Christ ascension in the past? When has a sign been of the past?
• Are the angels falling from heaven future or past? If the sign is future, how are falling from heaven past?
• If Rev 12 is a sign in the future, how is it we naturally come up with hermeneutics that don't operate like that anywhere else in scripture?
• Even those that thought that Rev 12 was 2017, they could not get past a sign being also "the same event" it was a sign for. How does that exactly work?
• See how off the above is -- what sort of lens are we actually looking at this holistically through? How can we see a sober end through a less than sober lens?

REASONS WHY 2017 COULD BE A CANDIDATE

• Media became super propaganda like never before seen
• From propaganda cameth COVID world-wide hoax
• Israel got Jerusalem affirmed / 2019 Golan Heights (without which no Ez 38)
• Potential tribulation countdown / or season of warning ahead of time (a sign)
• Most churches not interested in end times
• Answers in Genesis argued against scotty (please see below)
• See everything that has happened since 2017 (trans gendering children, church leaders falling, full blown age of self love on steroids--just look at our government)

There are more but these would be the less controversial. In general i will say i don't view this pastor is all good or that pastor is all bad. I tend to see a lot of gray. Some for sure are false. Some for sure have better or sound doctrine. But i would consider Answers in Genesis a fairly stable Christian organization (even though under American Reformed governance seemingly). Answers in Genesis does some great research. But their arguments against Scotty were pedestrian. As if they were a mere youtube channel jockeying for attention themselves. I felt no help toward the body of Christ to maturely assessed at all. Even coming out and doing doctoral videos from astronomy experts. It just seemed like "we are the experts trust us." And that made me very sad. Like just shame and "we are right" because of overly simplistic arguments. Or more refined arguments that could be debated but were levied upon: ad hominem.

It was super incredibly sad. When i saw that in 2017...i tend to go with the "things that are not" that might have more potential than industries that might tend to be overly tied into protection of arguments beyond its reason for being one. Like truth does not matter or something in some ways...it just felt reallly odd back then. Very sad. Establishment big eva might becoming too certain for our own good. I understand a lot of churches do care. I understand even many churches not interested in end times still have much to offer and have levels of blessing for sure. But i mean just imagine if it were the Rev 12 sign...lol. We literally have the church saying, "Nah..." because we cant align with scotty or something like that a bit? Why would we let a man and his event spook the way we think though?

To me, the church can benefit from touch skin going into that game though. I understand how things look. And maybe even we are all seeing things. But i don't favor ruling something out because even scotty now thinks he was wrong. But i don't because it was never about believing an argument. It was more about persuing how something alings potentially with scripture outside the presumed authorities on the sidelines. We need stable and sound ministries to keep us centered. Amen. But in a day when so much is thrown in up in the air and going sideways, there will likely be a place for our convictions that might stand out a bit differently than legacy church views. I am not speaking about being unorthodox. I just mean that to me its just not healthy to subject such a massive thing in scripture like Rev 12 unto a street argument of who is seing wrong or right. God's word is above that kind of political fray is how i would assess it--. and maybe not accurately...but to rule something out because a person that has strange ideas might have inadvertently bumped into something kind of by accident--might be something akin (and this is just for making a point and hopefully giving dimension to what i am saying) similar to the dark ages doing away with notions leading to modern science (although we know letting modern science sit too long in a room by itself is not safe either...from what we have seen this evolve into today...amen)? Not that trusting oddball Scotty Clarke views = modern scientific inquiry. For it does not. Just that it seems to be an age ready to bury things because this guy or that church views this or that. Christian Nationalism is cultish. But the answer would not be, "let America burn unto destruction...we are out of here." Those, in my understanding would be two polar opposites on extremities of sobering centers. So i am just saying like in that way it would seem that because a populist had an idea about Rev 12 that seemed to fail by his own standards and insights...to me also seem to border on a extremity. The extremity of that person (whether that they though of it) or that person (in how the THEN ruled it out)...its all to me kind of fickle to let the majesty of God's word be true or not true whatsoever based on any handling of that whatsoever. His word to me utterly transcends how Christian wallstreet pop-culture entertains the whole of it from incertion, to processing, to end product. I just think we can have opportunity see His majesty in His word is not so subject to the conditions of what in some cases can amount to a certain level of vanity fair. I am speaking in the observational sense. Just that what Scotty thinks or what we think of what he thinks or others think of what we think he thinks--non of that ultimately matters. Even though we are subject to the ways we wrestle through things to best discern...if the Rev 12 sign issue is true or not depends on how scotty does would just seem not the best approach is all--if i were perhaps to package all that mess into a cartoon version of it of sorts.

In any event, one way we can look at it might be this: Do we think Ez 38 is close? Do we think the rapture is near? Do we think tribulation is near? Can we see evidences of us likely being the last age of grace generation? If Rev 12 is a Revelation chapter going back to the beginning of the tribulation (like chapter 11 does and like in ways chapter 13 also does) & we are that last age of grace...why would 2017 not have been the year beyond ANY reason? Can we say? I'm open to genuinely hear. Its just that the reasons we are talking about ends times is kind of hugely related to 2017 aside from September, no? Blessings.

 

[Andy C]

Rev 12 is a Revelation chapter going back to the beginning of the tribulation (like chapter 11 does and like in ways chapter 13 also does) & we are that last age of grace...why would 2017 not have been the year beyond ANY reason? Can we say? I'm open to genuinely hear. Its just that the reasons we are talking about ends times is kind of hugely related to 2017 aside from September, no? Blessings.

I dont believe the books of revelation are not in chronological order.

Do you believe the MOB happens at the beginning of the tribulation, vice in the middle, as outlined in Rev 13?

 

[TCC]

I believe the MOB occurs in the middle. But I would see 11, 12, and 13 and transitional overlays in the middle of the book. This may sound strange. I got this view after putting down all the commentaries. And just read it over and over for a month. Then developed a simple outline to see similarities. Then read it over and over for another month. After a while things stand out. So the following is not based on any one theologians views because they have too many diverse opinions to even get me to a reasonable way to study the book. After just letting it form its own patterns for me...this is where I ended up...

DISCLAIMER: I do not have any formal seminary. But I did attend a church for 20 years that kind of preached to seminary students and they were very accessible. I studied literary form for a few years. And to my surprise...there seems to be a match to a degree with Revelation on that front. Please keep in mind too that the book of Daniel is not written in sequential order. Primarily I believe Revelation is sequential (chronological) but in a clunky kind of way. I can explain...

I believe the blook of Revelation is structured in modular narrative which is not a literary form until the 1800s. And most common today used in Hollywood. Seems to perhaps been written in a literary form for the time its for. Modular narrative is not necessarily non-linear but primarily it is not based on linear story chronology. It looks more at a cluster or relational story feature and relates modularly to a center theme. One of the more popular styles would be the movie Pulp Fiction. It is linear but built within it is a modular approach to how the story "moves down the hallway," if you will. More like a linear story with literary baggage...lol.

My view in general is that seals -- trumpets -- bowls are sequential. Not simultanously. Trumpets come out of seals. Bowls come out of Trumpets. My view is that seals and trumpets are first half. And bowls are the entire second half. I take this view because Trumpet 5 is the beast that kills the 2 witnesses who seem to come on the scene at the erection period of the 3rd temple beginnings. And the 2 witnesses end when the Antichrist has supernatural authority to kill them. This would not seem possible prior to the empowering from the pit in chapter 9 opening and AC getting supernatural power. I do not see a demonstration of AC supernatural power until approximations of the midpoint. Because when he has that he will demand worship, the mark, and will be given his 42 months.

Here is how I see Revelation
1 Intro
2-3 Churches
4-5 Heavenly Inauguration of Tribulation Period

First Half
6-9

Second Half
10, 14-19

Post Trib
20 +

. . . . .

10 = Daniel 12 Echo -- 144k Witness Throughout the Second Half Idea Roll Out
10 = Flowers from the first half into THE BIG SHOW

Modular ReMix
11 = From beginning of trib to midpoint FOCUS ON 2 WITNESSES
12 = From beginning of trib to just past midpoint FOCUS ON STORY BOARD OVERVIEW
13 = From somewhere in the first half lead to AC Abomination of Desolation + a little past midpoint ANTICHRIST FOCUS

SECOND HALF PROPER
14 = Table of contents for second half
15= Inaguration of the second half FINAL TRUMPET
16= Bowl Judgements ACTION SEQUENCE (second half)
17 & 18 = Somewhere in the forming first half period into late second half period FOCUS BABYLON THE GREAT
19 = Armegeddon

I don't know anyone else who shares this view in its entirety. So it is my view. The reason I landed on Rev 12 from the beginning is the "celestial emblem factor." In chapter 15 we see the 7 angels celestial is symbol and emblem for bowls. There are only 3 celestial "signs" in Revelation (omittinng the sign of the Son of Man). Moving backward we find the red dragon. To me this matches trumpets. Because of 1/3 (all trumpets are 1/3 as seen in the red dragon story except for the 5th which has a name). Plus see how everything is falling from the sky for the most part? Echoing a fallen from heaven motif I would see in poetic literary connection with the red dragon. Backing up further is the woman and child. This emblem seems to fit "seals."

The interesting thing about the woman/child is you can match up wailing with Thes passage (seems to lock onto a sense of sudden destruction perhaps Israel). Notice in Isaiah a nation in one day without labor pain. Well, it it would seem labor pains arrive at Ez 38 potentially. I would see as Andy Woods does Ezekiel 38 as sela two. So that really really fits. Further...there is a non-ominous feature of a woman having a child. And a non-ominious aspect to the 1st seal. The church until the 1800s thought the first seal was non-ominous. You cannot do that with the other seals or cycle judgements. Not any. Nor can you do that with the two other celestial emblems if they indeed "might" represent trumpets and bowls. Since chapter 12 has a story board seemingly of two sign emblems it seems to cover gan "overview approach." We tend to see woman/child and reddragon and happening right at their same times. There could be other implications of course, but at the judgement cycle emblem level, the story of woman/child and dragon seem to represent overview story. But the occurance of woman/child and dragon can be years apart.

Furthermore, the woman/child non-ominous factor might imply it being seen in the age of grace. Whereas the red dragon during the tribulation. Its associating judgement would be immediate likely...whereas the woman/child could be an age of grace sign pointing to seals for years ahead. Both trumpets and judgements emblems with be likely seen at the time of event. Because of Gods judgement no longer stayed. This might sound pretty wild lol. But it does make good grammatical sense from a literary standpoint. Blessings.

 

[mattfivefour]

In any event, one way we can look at it might be this: Do we think Ez 38 is close? Do we think the rapture is near? Do we think tribulation is near? Can we see evidences of us likely being the last age of grace generation? If Rev 12 is a Revelation chapter going back to the beginning of the tribulation (like chapter 11 does and like in ways chapter 13 also does) & we are that last age of grace...why would 2017 not have been the year beyond ANY reason? Can we say?

My view is that it doesn't really matter what we think. It is enough to know that we are in the end times. The clock has been counting down from May 1948, so we know that we do not have a lot of time left. How much time? I don't know. But I don't need to know. God doesn't tell me to concern myself with that. He tells me to concern myself with all Jesus told us to be doing-- turning to Him daily from self and the world, and sharing the Gospel with as many as we can.

Now, I know we are admonished to be looking for His coming, but I think a careful study of Scripture teaches that the phrase "looking for His coming" is a Hebraism meaning to be ready at all times. And the way Scripture tells us to be ready is to be living our lives each day surrendered to God and doing what He has commanded us to do.

I'm sorry if this bursts the bubble of those who put great effort into trying to discern every sign and every event, but I think it is important when studying Scripture to not get hung up in the words themselves but to pray to understand the meaning behind the words. And surely that meaning is very simple ... and quite clear. It doesn't involve a complex amount of study to try and discern everything, any more than a study 2000+ years ago regarding what would happen when Messiah would come helped anybody back then. The scribes and lawyers were certainly dedicated students of scripture, yet they were not at all prepared for Messiah when He came, despite the fact that Messiah was the object of their studies. As Jesus said, "The letter (Greek gramma: letter, that which is written) kills, but the Spirit gives life." Those whose hearts were spiritually prepared and submitted recognized Him when He came. Those whose hearts were only wrapped up in the words of Scripture and their interpretation of Scripture did not. So, personally, my own efforts are in getting to know God more intimately and communicating what I learn to others. And, truth be told, I find seeking to live for God daily is a full-time occupation that takes the majority of my attention and effort. Dying to self is not easy; nor is ”striving to enter God's rest." (What a seeming contradiction is contained in those five words!) But surely our spiritual preparation --being found a faithful and obedient servant by Him when He calls us-- is far more important than our intellectual understanding of all the signs.

I hope this encourages Christian readers to focus primarily on what Christ taught and told us to be doing when He returns for us. He knows our struggles on this Earth; He knows our hurts and pains; He understands our longing for His return and our being taken home to Heaven. But faith in Him means not trying to rush the day, but rather redeeming the time that we are here. In other words, doing what He told us to do despite whatever circumstances He may have allowed into our life. He has His purposes and we can one hundred percent trust Him to care for us and grow us and prepare us for the great Day of His return ... even as He uses us to reach and touch others.

 

[Matthew6:33]

Sometimes I feel like we are splitting hairs. It does help us all learn but it can be so tiring, reminds me of Ecclesiastes

[Ecc 12:12 KJV]
12 And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books [there is] no end; and much study [is] a weariness of the flesh.

 

[PaidInFull]

I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THE CLEVER QUOTE INSERT BUT RE. ADRIAN'S COMMENT...

"My view is that it doesn't really matter what we think. It is enough to know that we are in the end times. The clock has been counting down from May 1948, so we know that we do not have a lot of time left. How much time? I don't know. But I don't need to know. God doesn't tell me to concern myself with that. He tells me to concern myself with all Jesus told us to be doing-- turning to Him daily from self and the world, and sharing the Gospel with as many as we can."

First of all, I am new to this forum so I need to be sensitive to the direction and river banks you are all accustomed to. Adrian graciously pointed out my reference to a website was not in keeping with the rules when I thought not posting the link was what was intended to minimize demands on the server.

My apologies to one and all.

I am not 'taking issue' with Adrian regarding this quote, but rather offering my experience. Does God expect us to know the difference between the last days that began with Jesus, and the time of the end that began with 1948, and the seal of Daniel being opened when the 4th Kingdom rises. I think so, because the news is laden with proofs the God of the Bible has outlined everything that is going to happen.

Some of you are aware of the financial thread I had in RF. It was the most visited thread of RF and was deleted without any notice being given to me and the reason you were given that I was giving financial advice.

On the contrary, I was showing that for prophecy to be fulfilled it requires in most cases huge movements of money that tells us the die is cast well before the false news appears to cover up what is really happening. I shall be adding that thread here in the near future as time permits.

What you didn't know was that I was in a small private chat forum for expert traders for 12+ hrs a day every day for 8 years. I was trading with very wealthy atheists who mocked God (and provided the funds for Elon to start up Tesla as he was a next door neighbor of my close friend) ... until over the years they saw the prophecies I foretold were going to happen come true, and they began to discuss this to the point that Elon Musk and some of the directors of Google were shown my comments and these became discussion points on private yachts at the weekend when they had get-togethers.

They were saying things like the Bible is much clearer than Nostradamus.

Outside of that arena, my best friend in church is a long term baby believer, and I was sharing with Him that he is going to see the nations of the Gog war come into alignment and prove that the Bible is true, and the time of the end is fast approaching. Just then, Charles Stanley, who was a favorite of my friend posted a sermon that God does not want us to be interested in the signs of the end time but rather to be preaching the gospel, and with that prophecy was put to bed in my friend's mind.

Charles Stanley's son Andy went on to establish the biggest mega church in the USA, and I really wonder if Charles had proven to his son how accurate the prophecies are in the OT showing how near we are to the final period, would Andy Stanly have dismissed the OT as written by a bunch of old men who didn't understand science and to concentrate only on the NT? Andy went off the rails as a false teacher.

Adrian is correct, that our #1 focus is building the kingdom through the preaching of the gospel and teaching doctrine, but we also have to warn everyone that these are the days of Noah and the wrath of God is once again going to come on all the earth. And I know Adrian agrees with that too.

I have zero ability to understand the constellations TCC mentions, and I have no interest simply because I don't have the time to become proficient. However I do have an interest in the planets and their orbits because these have to change for Jesus' words to come true, that everyone will be at the point of having heart attacks when they look up and see the stars are about to fall on them. This takes many decades to get into position. Jesus said there will be signs in the sun, moon and stars so we have to get to grips with these signs, and as for the constellations, it would make sense that these speak to us just as they did to the 'wise men of the east' who were one giant step ahead of the Jewish priests.

There are ample sites that investigate the planets, even CCTV's that show two suns at times. I don't take any one opinion on these matters and check these from different views. The FAA cameras are online and can be checked for yourself. We have intruders into our solar system.

When I was a teenager, I remember the preaching that the seal of Daniel was opened and the proof was universities were opening in Africa. It was beyond out wildest imagination that everyone would one day possess a pocket computer that would be more advanced that Star Trek's communicator, let alone that we could talk to a computer like Captain Kirk did.

Or that ALL the knowledge since Adam would be instantly available to us all, so now I don't have to believe a preacher who said the rapture began with Darby for I can check the Dead Sea Scrolls and see what the early church wrote.

They "guessed" that the GT would begin in 2025, and Victor wrote the first full commentary on Revelation and believed that the restrainer was the Holy Spirit in the church that would be removed before the final 7 years.

The consequence of getting it wrong for 2000 years because we failed to crack open the seal on Daniel with African universities was simply this, we were not meant to understand and couldn't understand until an unforeseen technological age suddenly came into being over a 10 year period. It seems no coincidence to me that the graphs of the trillions of $'s invested in travel and knowledge suddenly accelerated with a hockey stick upturn that matched exactly something strange happening in our solar system that Google Space and NASA did not want us to see and covered it up with s black rectangle.

IMO, we have several great witnesses that the time of the end has arrived. First with the May 1948 rebirth of Israel. Incidentally, in May 1948 there was an earthquake in Turkey and the earth covering over Noah's Ark came off leaving the clear outline of the ark exactly where God said it was.

Just before the rebirth of Israel, the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered and among the first to be found was The Great Isaiah Scroll. The rabbis had argued that Isa.53 was a forgery inserted by Christians to fool the Jews so it was considered the forbidden chapter, and to this day is still forbidden. However to their dismay, when the scroll was dated it was found to be more than a century before Jesus was born! They still hide this fact.

I remember the 1970's preaching of the signs of His return was when there were terrible famines... but the great famines disappeared and soon they were left out of the end time signs preaching. On a graph, another three great witnesse I refer to besides 1948 are Travel, Knowledge and the Fireballs that all look very similar on a graph, but the graph on famines went the opposite way. We were not in the time of the end. The seal of Daniel was not opened and we didn't understand what we though we did. However, there was a tremendous move of God when the hippy youth turned to God and the roots of Calvary Church was born.

I have never seen miracles in church, but I was out on the streets from 11pm to 4am preaching to terrorists, gangsters, gangs, and witches and I saw the impossible happen. There were 4 of us and we called ourselves TheirFour. One pastor of a church I didn't go to stopped me one day and asked me if I was one of the ones going out on the streets late at night, and when said yes, he smiled at me and said, You are turning this town upside down! All the churches had somehow heard about the miracles happening on the streets.

Yet when it came to eschatology, and even doctrine for that matter, we were very naive, but we warned every man the wrath of God was coming, the time of the end was now and we must repent and get right with God.

Seeing how preaching of the time of the end hid the fact famines were disappearing, about 10 yrs back I felt pressed to dig deeper into the signs of the time of the end. There is no question our whole solar system is wobbling and the conclusion is we have an intruder. All the planets are warming up and not because of Co2. The globalist are failing to reach a final agreement and instead are dividing and we shall end up with 10 kings while Satan is doing his utmost to bring globalism to come to pass without the multipolar world of 10 kings who will be unable to reach a final agreement.

The CIA is in a panic. They banned the Adam and Eve Story book and then declassified only 20%. The other 80% is in our Bibles about the pole shift. They need to dim the skies to hide what is incoming. The Euphrates is drying up and the kings of the east are rising, first as an economic power and then with that money as a military power. And how did that come about? The USA financed it all.

The Gog Confederacy is close to completion. The magnetic north is fast moving to Moscow. The hailstones are increasing in size. The great merchants of the earth have deceived all nations with Pharmakeia. Famine is being planned to control the populations. The cult of the gender benders from Romans1 and Jude is taking over the west along with lawlessness. Occult rituals precede our great sporting events. Holywood and the music industry is populated with the one-eyed signed Satanists. We march on the streets waving our altered version the rainbow flag of God's wrath and mercy shouting to God our pride in the angelic sexual rebellion and abortions. WW3 is being warned of in the news headlines every day. We are on the verge of global financial collapse and a complete change in the order of nations. Jerusalem is becoming a cup of trembling for all nations. Our banks are planning on converting to a cashless world in 2025 and we will need a biometric ID to access our money. The legislation changed so that when we deposit money, it is no longer our money - it is theirs. Our courts are supporting lawlessness. Our polititians have betrayed us and opened our borders in defiance of God's order of the nations.

Apostasy is rife in the churches with doctrines of demons. Most of the church is prophetically asleep, but didn't Jesus foretell that must be the case when the Bridegroom is delayed? As Zerohedge said it, the church is eerily silent about the woke agenda.

We, the church who are awake, are the sole custodians of the end time prophecies warning that the day of God's wrath is well signed in its nearness. IMO the heavens declare it and the CIA and NASA want to hide it. The Euphraties declares it. The Gog Confedracy declares it. The great merchants takng over the sovereignity of all nations with Pharamakeia declares it. The rising or Daniels 4th kingdom that tramples and crushes all oposition is almost upon us and declares it and soon this forum will become illegal.

For me, all of these signs and many more demand more preaching of the gospel, and not less, and I know full well that is Adrian's heart and always has been. As I say, I am clueless about TCC's constellations, but that is the word that is used in the original manuscripts. Thankfully, anyone can check from many sources that there are strange events happening in our solar system and so there ought to be according to God's Word. Wormwood is on the way. Things are not as they were.

One last comment: I remember like it was etched into my brain exactly where I was standing in August 1978 when I read the news headline: NASA says Planet X will cause massive destruction on the earth in 2028. I didn't have a care in the world and honestly wondered if I'd be alive then 50 years into the future, yet that was filed away in my brain to the extent I remember exactly were I was standing that beautiful sunny day. This has been scrubbed from the Internet.

If the early church was correct in the Dead Sea Scrolls, that the GT will begin in 2025, add 3.5 years to 2028 and we are at the mid point of the wrath of God. I watch this with interest, and keep scanning the news for prophetic fulfillments, but I don't have 2025 as a fixed date but I do have a ton of massive financial convergences for 2025. Deagle in 2013 began to predict that in 2025 hundreds of millions of Americans will die leaving the US population at 69 million. Even worse on a percentage basis in the UK, and I kept their forecasts because Deagle was a partner in the elite rulers. Every year from 2013 to 2019 they updated their rolling forcast, but it was always to 2025, always the current year and then 2025 instead of rolling forward beyond 2025. Will they be correct? Are we about to begin WW3? Is the next great pestilence coming that Gates laughed and said would get our attention? Is the rapture 2025?

Those who wrote this 2025 prediciton around 1800 years ago belived Jesus was crucified in AD32, but there is a great dispute as to the exact year. For for sure it is within a few years of that. Deduct 7 years from your favorite date and we end up with the probability of the GT beginning somewhere between 2025 and 2028. It's an educated guess based on the 2 days = 2,000 years and the early church discussed it. We are running out of time but that day will not overtake us as a thief for we are not in darkness. We, the final generation, after the seal of Daniel was opened, are the only generation supposed to understand these things fully.

I have no idea if the rapture will happen in 2025 or 2028 or after that. All I know is we are out of time and we do need to earnestly contend for the faith against the creeping reach of wokism and warn every man judgment is hanging over our heads and prophecy is clear on that. We are well over the red line when God's emotions will turn from great anger to unstoppable fury at the rapture, and we are supposed to understand both the provocations and the emotions of God.

Having completed my rant, I shall return to my favorite topics, the rapture as the climax of all Christian doctrine for which we are in a state of hope for a soon fulfillment, and the financials that indicate what the elite are really intending to bring about.

My thanks to Adrian for having my back, espcially as I am partly dyslexic and sometime write backwards and need His assistance making sense of my posts at times, and keeping me withing the riverbanks of this forum.

Jesus is coming back for His own soon who eagerly look for His appearing. Absence makes the heart grow fonder and any delay ought to increase our desire, not diminish it. The spirit and the bride say, Come soon!

Maranatha!

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[mattfivefour]

Brother, after an initial read I basically agree with your entire post.

 

[Tall Timbers]

I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THE CLEVER QUOTE INSERT BUT RE. ADRIAN'S COMMENT...

HIghlight the text you wish to quote, then click on the "reply" that pops up at the lower left of the highlighted text.

 

[Amethyst]

as I am partly dyslexic

I have heard this is an incredibly frustrating thing to have.
But I never would have known based on how much you write in such a short amount of time. That is amazing to me.

 

[Andy C]

I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THE CLEVER QUOTE INSERT BUT RE. ADRIAN'S COMMENT...

"My view is that it doesn't really matter what we think. It is enough to know that we are in the end times. The clock has been counting down from May 1948, so we know that we do not have a lot of time left. How much time? I don't know. But I don't need to know. God doesn't tell me to concern myself with that. He tells me to concern myself with all Jesus told us to be doing-- turning to Him daily from self and the world, and sharing the Gospel with as many as we can."

First of all, I am new to this forum so I need to be sensitive to the direction and river banks you are all accustomed to. Adrian graciously pointed out my reference to a website was not in keeping with the rules when I thought not posting the link was what was intended to minimize demands on the server.

My apologies to one and all.

I am not 'taking issue' with Adrian regarding this quote, but rather offering my experience. Does God expect us to know the difference between the last days that began with Jesus, and the time of the end that began with 1948, and the seal of Daniel being opened when the 4th Kingdom rises. I think so, because the news is laden with proofs the God of the Bible has outlined everything that is going to happen.

Some of you are aware of the financial thread I had in RF. It was the most visited thread of RF and was deleted without any notice being given to me and the reason you were given that I was giving financial advice.

On the contrary, I was showing that for prophecy to be fulfilled it requires in most cases huge movements of money that tells us the die is cast well before the false news appears to cover up what is really happening. I shall be adding that thread here in the near future as time permits.

What you didn't know was that I was in a small private chat forum for expert traders for 12+ hrs a day every day for 8 years. I was trading with very wealthy atheists who mocked God (and provided the funds for Elon to start up Tesla as he was a next door neighbor of my close friend) ... until over the years they saw the prophecies I foretold were going to happen come true, and they began to discuss this to the point that Elon Musk and some of the directors of Google were shown my comments and these became discussion points on private yachts at the weekend when they had get-togethers.

They were saying things like the Bible is much clearer than Nostradamus.

Outside of that arena, my best friend in church is a long term baby believer, and I was sharing with Him that he is going to see the nations of the Gog war come into alignment and prove that the Bible is true, and the time of the end is fast approaching. Just then, Charles Stanley, who was a favorite of my friend posted a sermon that God does not want us to be interested in the signs of the end time but rather to be preaching the gospel, and with that prophecy was put to bed in my friend's mind.

Charles Stanley's son Andy went on to establish the biggest mega church in the USA, and I really wonder if Charles had proven to his son how accurate the prophecies are in the OT showing how near we are to the final period, would Andy Stanly have dismissed the OT as written by a bunch of old men who didn't understand science and to concentrate only on the NT? Andy went off the rails as a false teacher.

Adrian is correct, that our #1 focus is building the kingdom through the preaching of the gospel and teaching doctrine, but we also have to warn everyone that these are the days of Noah and the wrath of God is once again going to come on all the earth. And I know Adrian agrees with that too.

I have zero ability to understand the constellations TCC mentions, and I have no interest simply because I don't have the time to become proficient. However I do have an interest in the planets and their orbits because these have to change for Jesus' words to come true, that everyone will be at the point of having heart attacks when they look up and see the stars are about to fall on them. This takes many decades to get into position. Jesus said there will be signs in the sun, moon and stars so we have to get to grips with these signs, and as for the constellations, it would make sense that these speak to us just as they did to the 'wise men of the east' who were one giant step ahead of the Jewish priests.

There are ample sites that investigate the planets, even CCTV's that show two suns at times. I don't take any one opinion on these matters and check these from different views. The FAA cameras are online and can be checked for yourself. We have intruders into our solar system.

When I was a teenager, I remember the preaching that the seal of Daniel was opened and the proof was universities were opening in Africa. It was beyond out wildest imagination that everyone would one day possess a pocket computer that would be more advanced that Star Trek's communicator, let alone that we could talk to a computer like Captain Kirk did.

Or that ALL the knowledge since Adam would be instantly available to us all, so now I don't have to believe a preacher who said the rapture began with Darby for I can check the Dead Sea Scrolls and see what the early church wrote.

They "guessed" that the GT would begin in 2025, and Victor wrote the first full commentary on Revelation and believed that the restrainer was the Holy Spirit in the church that would be removed before the final 7 years.

The consequence of getting it wrong for 2000 years because we failed to crack open the seal on Daniel with African universities was simply this, we were not meant to understand and couldn't understand until an unforeseen technological age suddenly came into being over a 10 year period. It seems no coincidence to me that the graphs of the trillions of $'s invested in travel and knowledge suddenly accelerated with a hockey stick upturn that matched exactly something strange happening in our solar system that Google Space and NASA did not want us to see and covered it up with s black rectangle.

IMO, we have seceral great witnesses that the time of the end has arrived. First with the May 1948 rebirth of Israel. Incidentally, in May 1948 there was an earthquake in Turkey and the earth covering over Noah's Ark came off leaving the clear outline of the ark exactly where God said it was.

Just before the rebirth of Israel, the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered and among the first to be found was The Great Isaiah Scroll. The rabbis had argued that Isa.53 was a forgery inserted by Christians to fool the Jews so it was considered the forbidden chapter, and to this day is still forbidden. However to their dismay, when the scroll was dated it was found to be more than a century before Jesus was born! They still hide this fact.

I remember the 1970's preaching of the signs of His return was when there were terrible famines... but the great famines disappeared and soon they were left out of the end time signs preaching. On a graph, another three great witnesse I refer to besides 1948 are Travel, Knowledge and the Fireballs that all look very similar on a graph, but the graph on famines went the opposite way. We were not in the time of the end. The seal of Daniel was not opened and we didn't understand what we though we did. However, there was a tremendous move of God when the hippy youth turned to God and the roots of Calvary Church was born.

I have never seen miracles in church, but I was out on the streets from 11pm to 4am preaching to terrorists, gangsters, gangs, and witches and I saw the impossible happen. There were 4 of us and we called ourselves TheirFour. One pastor of a church I didn't go to stopped me one day and asked me if I was one of the ones going out on the streets late at night, and when said yes, he smiled at me and said, You are turning this town upside down! All the churches had somehow heard about the miracles happening on the streets.

Yet when it came to eschatology, and even doctrine for that matter, we were very naive, but we warned every man the wrath of God was coming, the time of the end was now and we must repent and get right with God.

Seeing how preaching of the time of the end hid the fact famines were disappearing, about 10 yrs back I felt pressed to dig deeper into the signs of the time of the end. There is no question our whole solar system is wobbling and the conclusion is we have an intruder. All the planets are warming up and not because of Co2. The globalist are failing to reach a final agreement and instead are dividing and we shall end up with 10 kings while Satan is doing his utmost to bring globalism to come to pass without the multipolar world of 10 kings who will be unable to reach a final agreement.

The CIA is in a panic. They banned the Adam and Eve Story book and then declassified only 20%. The other 80% is in our Bibles about the pole shift. They need to dim the skies to hide what is incoming. The Euphrates is drying up and the kings of the east are rising, first as an economic power and then with that money as a military power. And how did that come about? The USA financed it all.

The Gog Confederacy is close to completion. The magnetic north is fast moving to Moscow. The hailstones are increasing in size. The great merchants of the earth have deceived all nations with Pharmakeia. Famine is being planned to control the populations. The cult of the gender benders from Romans1 and Jude is taking over the west along with lawlessness. Occult rituals precede our great sporting events. Holywood and the music industry is populated with the one-eyed signed Satanists. We march on the streets waving our altered version the rainbow flag of God's wrath and mercy shouting to God our pride in the angelic sexual rebellion and abortions. WW3 is being warned of in the news headlines every day. We are on the verge of global financial collapse and a complete change in the order of nations. Jerusalem is becoming a cup of trembling for all nations. Our banks are planning on converting to a cashless world in 2025 and we will need a biometric ID to access our money. The legislation changed so that when we deposit money, it is no longer our money - it is theirs. Our courts are supporting lawlessness. Our polititians have betrayed us and opened our borders in defiance of God's order of the nations.

Apostasy is rife in the churches with doctrines of demons. Most of the church is prophetically asleep, but didn't Jesus foretell that must be the case when the Bridegroom is delayed? As Zerohedge said it, the church is eerily silent about the woke agenda.

We, the church who are awake, are the sole custodians of the end time prophecies warning that the day of God's wrath is well signed in its nearness. IMO the heavens declare it and the CIA and NASA want to hide it. The Euphraties declares it. The Gog Confedracy declares it. The great merchants takng over the sovereignity of all nations with Pharamakeia declares it. The rising or Daniels 4th kingdom that tramples and crushes all oposition is almost upon us and declares it and soon this forum will become illegal.

For me, all of these signs and many more demand more preaching of the gospel, and not less, and I know full well that is Adrian's heart and always has been. As I say, I am clueless about TCC's constellations, but that is the word that is used in the original manuscripts. Thankfully, anyone can check from many sources that there are strange events happening in our solar system and so there ought to be according to God's Word. Wormwood is on the way. Things are not as they were.

One last comment: I remember like it was etched into my brain exactly where I was standing in August 1978 when I read the news headline: NASA says Planet X will cause massive destruction on the earth in 2028. I didn't have a care in the world and honestly wondered if I'd be alive then 50 years into the future, yet that was filed away in my brain to the extent I remember exactly were I was standing that beautiful sunny day. This has been scrubbed from the Internet.

If the early church was correct in the Dead Sea Scrolls, that the GT will begin in 2025, add 3.5 years to 2028 and we are at the mid point of the wrath of God. I watch this with interest, and keep scanning the news for prophetic fulfillments, but I don't have 2025 as a fixed date but I do have a ton of massive financial convergences for 2025. Deagle in 2013 began to predict that in 2025 hundreds of millions of Americans will die leaving the US population at 69 million. Even worse on a percentage basis in the UK, and I kept their forecasts because Deagle was a partner in the elite rulers. Every year from 2013 to 2019 they updated their rolling forcast, but it was always to 2025, always the current year and then 2025 instead of rolling forward beyond 2025. Will they be correct? Are we about to begin WW3? Is the next great pestilence coming that Gates laughed and said would get our attention? Is the rapture 2025?

Those who wrote this 2025 prediciton around 1800 years ago belived Jesus was crucified in AD32, but there is a great dispute as to the exact year. For for sure it is within a few years of that. Deduct 7 years from your favorite date and we end up with the probability of the GT beginning somewhere between 2025 and 2028. It's an educated guess based on the 2 days = 2,000 years and the early church discussed it. We are running out of time but that day will not overtake us as a thief for we are not in darkness. We, the final generation, after the seal of Daniel was opened, are the only generation supposed to understand these things fully.

I have no idea if the rapture will happen in 2025 or 2028 or after that. All I know is we are out of time and we do need to earnestly contend for the faith against the creeping reach of wokism and warn every man judgment is hanging over our heads and prophecy is clear on that. We are well over the red line when God's emotions will turn from great anger to unstoppable fury at the rapture, and we are supposed to understand both the provocations and the emotions of God.

Having completed my rant, I shall return to my favorite topics, the rapture as the climax of all Christian doctrine for which we are in a state of hope for a soon fulfillment, and the financials that indicate what the elite are really intending to bring about.

My thanks to Adrian for having my back, espcially as I am partly dyslexic and sometime write backwards and need His assistance making sense of my posts at times, and keeping me withing the riverbanks of this forum.

Jesus is coming back for His own soon who eagerly look for His appearing. Absence makes the heart grow fonder and any delay ought to increase our desire, not diminish it. The spirit and the bride say, Come soon!

Maranatha!

​

Good post, but you over loaded my brain. Lots to chew on, probably take another read to properly digest.

 

[Andy C]

This has been a really good thread, with lots of great comments, discussions, debates, disagreements, and yet no one was over sensitive to comments, and all comments were directed in the spirit of “iron sharpens iron”.

Just another reason why I appreciate the freedom allowed on this forum, and more importantly, the fellowship we can enjoy!

 

[Andiamo]

All the crazy conspiracy theories about a one world government is taking shape and is almost upon us. Yet in spite of this, Zerohedge, a secular financial website asked, Why is the church eerily quiet in the face of the woke agenda?

I told my unsaved Mom about the upcoming one world government and she just sat there grinning at me. Besides we are commissioned to spread the gospel, not all of this other stuff that only those who are alive, awake and unblinded can understand.

 

[Andiamo]

This has been a really good thread, with lots of great comments, discussions, debates, disagreements, and yet no one was over sensitive to comments, and all comments were directed in the spirit of “iron sharpens iron”.

Just another reason why I appreciate the freedom allowed on this forum, and more importantly, the fellowship we can enjoy!

And no one removing posts or suddenly shutting the whole thread down either!

 

[TCC]

This is a very interesting thread. And it is great to see the different ways we approach things and process. In general, my interest in eschatology is somewhat of course in making sense of what might be going on currently. But as my eschatological views are somewhat different from the standard views, my reasons for them might be a bit different as well.

I believe that any with an interest in eschatology would have an interest in what God is doing. I don't doubt that. In that respect though it is a little more where I find I land with interest. The things I look at in scripture and how they may or may not line up with how in general we might map out our times (or times approaching) is not exactly my central reason for doing so.

I can understand to a degree how my views seem to belong to a relm of timing and mapping and what that means occurs next and maybe when. But for the most part I am far more interested in understanding what we might in real time be about Him and His ways, His heart, His majesty. This seems a bit different of a plane to land than what has seemed conventional use of eschatology.

Sure eschatology is to help the church warn the world and share the gospel. However, my understanding of that lands the plane more in a different spot than that. In general it would seem the focus of interest in the believing watcher world is on how evil or calamity arrives to ID a location on a map we are all traveling on. Whereas the reason I would research the way I have in Revelation or other things related to eschatology have more to do with ways in which God might permit us perhaps to understand Him during our season. Like in live action real-time ways. Of course we will tend to get a lot of that amiss. But there does seem to be some ways to see Him in Providence.

From what I have seen, in general, I guess the difference is my interest is a bit more in a) the types of qaulity of things God might use in which to be seen clearer in our day, and b) how the royal heart of a majestic God (his patience, kindness, love, and condescension toward us) can be perhaps deeper understood in real-time. The focal point of eschatology in comparison seems to be somewhat more in how evil regimes or bad things orchestrate to form an end time apocolyptic world system. And although we are abviously moving in that direction, the reason for my research and consideration is not really in interest of all of that (although they are interesting points of course to consider). My approaches are I guess a way to say it is "the enjoying God forever" current sense of "the chief aim of man" (Westminister Catechism--by the way...i'm just saying...i'm not reformed) in smelling the flowers along the way. Not to be "indulgent" while the earth is falling apart. But merely a passion to deepen in His presence as He shares it with His body in these final days.

Blessings.

 

[TCC]

Sometimes I feel like we are splitting hairs. It does help us all learn but it can be so tiring, reminds me of Ecclesiastes

[Ecc 12:12 KJV]
12 And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books [there is] no end; and much study [is] a weariness of the flesh.

That is kind of how I feel in general about the focus the church in general views to go about eschatology. Although I am developing a better appetite for that sort of thing, for me its not so much about how to probe the depths of view points, trends, codes, escalations, politics, or even interpretations or commentaries upon our day or His word. In the way I approached Revelation (which may or may not be accurate), I was just using it as a devotional. So I guess my views would be more from a sense of how that book looks when sitting in front of a fireplace with warm tea and no rush to be anywhere kind of vibe. Like letting things unfold before us I guess more than attempts to shake the fruit from a tree. Although the ladder is not completely omitted from my hearts desire, in process, either Blessings.