Is the RAPTURE Really Next Month? The Bible’s Timeline Is Shocking

[TCC]

I like Michael Heiser. I miss him, another gone too soon. Which of his books are you referencing about his thoughts on those issues you mentioned above?

Hi Ron. Thanks for the reply. Well I don't really have any of his books. I'm sure the Unseen Realm has some things that would fascinate me. But not for the reason Heiser likely wrote it. Brother, I used to be in the fallen angels mating with humanity camp long before I met Heiser. My pastor from a previous church touched on that lightly. So I believed that for decades. When I came across Heiser it was a stage where it was still intriguing to me.

After I went through several observations of the book of Enoch, I became convinced over time that what is referenced in the bible (of Enoch in the new testament) is only in the book of Enoch (written in the second century BC) because of oral tradition. I don't believe that what the new testament affirms about Enock attests to the book of Enoch (even though it would have been known as a 200 year old book among Jewish tradition). I believe it states what it does about Enoch in reference to the oral tradition. Not the 200 BC extra biblical writing of Enoch.

I did take several months to look through a lot of that kind of material. But within just the last two years I came across two sources that were extremely helpful. One was from Keil and Delitzsch OT Commentary. And another I forget the source but can send it to you in PM if interested. It discloses how the Septuagint demonstrates a difference between men and angels in Old Testament passages related to Gen 6. And it is as plain as day it is not demonstrating that angels mated with humans. The Septuagint is something too that Heiser praises. But never addressed why it is so different than the views he takes on Gen 6 if it is all that great (a Hebrew rendering of the Old Testament translated into Greek at the time of Christ's viisit in the first century). There are strong reasons I differ but not trying to rant. Just wanting to be clear about my distinctions.

I have a friend that is deeply into all of that. So Mike H. makes some interesting points on a number of topics outside Enochian theology. The two I mentioned above are really well done and good examples of where I have really appreciated his perpsectives. I hope it is ok to post them here.

The Bronze Serpent:

* - YouTube

Naaman the Leper

* - YouTube

Blessings.

 

[TCC]

You said a lot which for me is a bit confusing. Not at all saying what you stated was in itself confusing, it was just somewhat confusing to me. So I will just try my best to respond to what you asked at the end.

Let me first tell you what I experienced when the Rapture did not happen in 2024. At that time I was dealing with a good friend that desperately needed hope as she was severely depressed! I mean she could hardly even get out of bed. When her and I discussed the Rapture and the signs, we both thought the Rapture would happen some time that year which gave her and I a lot of hope At that time while I was not severely depressed, the hope of the Rapture that year helped me find at least some joy.

So when the Rapture did not happen I was disappointed, but not depressed. You see the thought that it would, had kept me positive all that year which was a good thing. So I ended up just hoping it would be the next year. My good friend that was so depressed said the same thing, which was maybe next year. What is my point? I believe God allowed me (not told me) to believe what I did to help both my friend and I make it through 2024 without being too depressed. Remember at that time Biden was president! LOL!

So back to your question. Even if the Rapture does not happen in September I have learned a lot from the video I posted and will just look for the Rapture in the near future.

Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

God Bless!

Super beautiful answer brother. Thanks

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

Very true but of course it could.

That we really don't know. We do know the shepherds were in the fields at night, typically the shepherds would not be in the fields at night in winter so there is a definite possibility that his birth was actually in September on one of the fall feasts.
The following is from Google but I have heard and read it elsewhere for many years.
"While the Bible doesn't specify the date of Jesus' birth, early Christian leaders debated the possibility of celebrating it. The choice of December 25th was likely influenced by the pagan celebrations already occurring around the winter solstice, potentially to make the Christian holiday more appealing to those already observing similar traditions."

December is 9 months before September and frequent time of the Fall Feasts.
Human gestation is about 9 months.
Conception is the beginning of life.
Jesus is the light of/come into the world.
Hanukkah, the feast of lights/celebration of the miracle of oil, is usually celebrated in December.
Christmas is a feast of lights in many ways, and is kind of a fulfillment of Hanukkah, although neither is commanded to be observed.

I think celebrating Christmas in December as Jesus' birth/light come into the world is a wonderful way to honor, worship, and glorify God, and it's a great excuse, means, and opportunity to engage in The Great Commission

 

[KMendel]

I have read in the past, that Jesus birth was more likely in the spring, as the shepherds were tending the sheep as they were birthing their
lambs. (As He was the sacrificial lamb, it would make sense He would be born in the spring, also.) I also highly doubt a census would have been taken during the cold, winter months with many travelling from other places.

 

[TCC]

I have read in the past, that Jesus birth was more likely in the spring, as the shepherds were tending the sheep as they were birthing their
lambs. (As He was the sacrificial lamb, it would make sense He would be born in the spring, also.) I also highly doubt a census would have been taken during the cold, winter months with many travelling from other places.

Great point.

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

I have read in the past, that Jesus birth was more likely in the spring, as the shepherds were tending the sheep as they were birthing their
lambs. (As He was the sacrificial lamb, it would make sense He would be born in the spring, also.) I also highly doubt a census would have been taken during the cold, winter months with many travelling from other places.

If it was birthing season, the shepherds wouldn't have left the sheep, as ewes sometimes need human help, and the wolves prey on the helpless birthing ewes, newborn lambs, and the scavengers the left-behind birthing messes and still-borns attract.

Given that many Roman citizens, and non-citizens for that matter, would have had to travel long distances, necessitating days and weeks of travel, it is more likely the census was in the fall, allowing people to travel during the easiest time weather-wise. The Roman government wouldn't have ordered a census during planting and birthing season, as this would impact agriculture (farmers, etc. would likely not comply because it would hurt their families and livelihoods), the food supply would be reduced, agricultural taxes would be far less, and hungry people tend to revolt. Better in the fall right after harvest during a time of plenty to maximize compliance, accuracy, and collection.

 

[KMendel]

Okay.

 

[Matthew6:33]

Pretty good video with some interesting facts. Come Lord Jesus!

 

[Margery]

Britt Gillette did the math and released this video here today; - YouTube

Britt said this "More specifically, these videos claim the rapture of the church will take place during Rosh Hashanah (The Feast of Trumpets) on September 23rd, and the Second Coming will take place seven years later on Yom Kippur (The Day of Atonement) in 2032, with these dates separated by 2,550 days – the exact number of days Daniel said the Tribulation will last."

He addresses this last math bit and debunks it. The unique period of time that is separated by 2,550 days.

Britt makes the very good point that -even though the video creator says he isn't a date setter- he does set an exact day for the Rapture because he says it will happen just after the covenant is signed. And he gives us the date for the covenant.

Britt points out that even though he says he isn't date setting, he actually is. Because he's tying the date of the UN meeting regards declaring a state of Palestine (ignoring the previous state called Jordan) to the Rapture.

@Kem heard it too, she time stamped it up thread here - I heard it and apparently Britt heard it too. The video creator didn't spend a long time on it, but it is in there.

Britt is compassionate, but he points out that failed date setters that go public like this can turn people who might be on the verge of giving their hearts to the Lord, away in disgust over the hype and then the disappointment.

He said we Christians can find our encouragement in the Word - Jesus promised He's coming back for us, we know He keeps His promises. We have His sure word on it. As Britt says, the sure word of God, the Bible is full of amazing wonderful prophecies, that we can point to, like Israel coming back to her land. We don't need to hype it up further.

The unbelievers around us aren't stupid, and when they see this kind of spectacle, and another round of failed dates, they mock and turn away reassured that the Christians weren't right yet again.

If we point to the Rapture, let's not point to a date. The focus that will bring some to salvation needs to be that we DON'T know the day or the hour (we can spot the season, definitely) and when Jesus comes for His own, it will be too late to go up in the Rapture, the Tribulation is next.

One day Jesus DOES come and the world changes into a terrifying horrific place of judgment and torment. A preview of hell for those who refuse Christ. That should be our message to the world about the Rapture.


1 Peter 1:13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;

1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

We need to be sober minded, watchful because the enemy prowls around like a lion, seeking whom he may devour.

 

[Spartan Sprinter]

Britt Gillette did the math and released this video here today; - YouTube

Britt said this "More specifically, these videos claim the rapture of the church will take place during Rosh Hashanah (The Feast of Trumpets) on September 23rd, and the Second Coming will take place seven years later on Yom Kippur (The Day of Atonement) in 2032, with these dates separated by 2,550 days – the exact number of days Daniel said the Tribulation will last."

He addresses this last math bit and debunks it. The unique period of time that is separated by 2,550 days.

Britt makes the very good point that -even though the video creator says he isn't a date setter- he does set an exact day for the Rapture because he says it will happen just after the covenant is signed. And he gives us the date for the covenant.

Britt points out that even though he says he isn't date setting, he actually is. Because he's tying the date of the UN meeting regards declaring a state of Palestine (ignoring the previous state called Jordan) to the Rapture.

@Kem heard it too, she time stamped it up thread here - I heard it and apparently Britt heard it too. The video creator didn't spend a long time on it, but it is in there.

Britt is compassionate, but he points out that failed date setters that go public like this can turn people who might be on the verge of giving their hearts to the Lord, away in disgust over the hype and then the disappointment.

He said we Christians can find our encouragement in the Word - Jesus promised He's coming back for us, we know He keeps His promises. We have His sure word on it. As Britt says, the sure word of God, the Bible is full of amazing wonderful prophecies, that we can point to, like Israel coming back to her land. We don't need to hype it up further.

The unbelievers around us aren't stupid, and when they see this kind of spectacle, and another round of failed dates, they mock and turn away reassured that the Christians weren't right yet again.

If we point to the Rapture, let's not point to a date. The focus that will bring some to salvation needs to be that we DON'T know the day or the hour (we can spot the season, definitely) and when Jesus comes for His own, it will be too late to go up in the Rapture, the Tribulation is next.

One day Jesus DOES come and the world changes into a terrifying horrific place of judgment and torment. A preview of hell for those who refuse Christ. That should be our message to the world about the Rapture.


1 Peter 1:13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;

1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

We need to be sober minded, watchful because the enemy prowls around like a lion, seeking whom he may devour.

Thanks for posting Margery.

The UN has meetings around this time nearly every year and people like to always make out as if the Daniel covenant is about to be signed.

 

[Spartan Sprinter]

Thanks for posting Margery.

The UN has meetings around this time nearly every year and people like to always make out as if the Daniel covenant is about to be signed.

The one that killed me Margery and thankfully the head of the rapture group rebuked him was when a guy created a post saying that due to all the floods occuring around the world , the water has "Broken" and the rapture and tribulation was about to commence.

I'll give the guy points for creativity sheesh LOL

 

[Greg]

The 2550 thing bothered me when I listened to the video yesterday. The math didn't make sense to me, (why would this be the last time it would pop up) so I started out trying to check it at lunch, looking at dates from 2024-2040 or so. What I discovered was apparently not everyone uses exactly the same starting dates for the feasts (sources I found were off by a day or two). Then I found another site that said to measure the dates inclusively, not start to start. At that point I was out of time and gave up.

I did hear the part about agreement first, and disagreed with that. Then the UN thing for next month -- in Isaiah 28, it talks about Israel making a covenant with death, as in false peace. If the covenant in Daniel is the same (as is generally assumed, I think), this obviously isn't it unless Israel suddenly becomes a party to it. It seems more like stage setting and prodding at burdensome stones than anything. That doesn't mean that the Rapture won't happen next month, but I guess I'm skeptical of some of the logic laid out in this case. And I do think there's very likely a small gap between the Rapture and the covenant, but we've been through that one many times before.

 

[Andy C]

After listening to the OP video again, and reading all the comments, I have come away feeling that it does not matter if the numbers are accurate. Just because the videos numbers make sense, its still just numbers closely aligned with dates, none of which truly matters as to the timing of the rapture.

I think we all hope we get called home as soon as possible, but God will do so at the perfect moment He has already chosen.

 

[Goodboy]

Well the thing I like most is that we will find out very soon if what this guy has stated holds water. We had to wait over six months last year to see if what I believed was true. LOL!

I would not worry too much about faulty Rapture date setters stopping people from believing the Gospel. There are more than enough reasons someone will use not to believe. I have shared the Gospel over 40 years now with over 1,000 people and none of them told me they don't believe because of false dates.

 

[Goodboy]

If nothing else, I did learn something from this guy.

The Yom Teruah Usage
• Yom Teruah.: The Day of The Trumpet Blast
One of the seven Moedim of Yahweh (Divine Appointments or Feasts) is called the Yom Teruah. It is also referred to as Rosh Hashanah or the Feast of Trumpets. Of the seven moedim, this one is the only one that doesn’t have an exact starting time. This moed begins only when two witnesses see the edge of the moon and report their sighting to the Sanhedrin. This requirement introduces slight variable time to it’s inception. The Jews celebrate what is supposed to be the first day of the seventh month, Tishri, (Leviticus 23:23-25) over a two-day period because it is “the day no one knows the day or hour.” For this very reason, Yom Teruah was, and still is, referred to as “the moed that no one knows the day or hour of!”