Is the RAPTURE Really Next Month? The Bible’s Timeline Is Shocking

[Hol]

What we are doing in this thread is what Paul instructs us Christian to do, which is watching, comforting and edifying. Not at all calling out anyone on this thread, but some people just want to be a kill joy.

Yes, this is a very encouraging thread

My hesitation to line the rapture up with any of the Festivals is that I was taught that the rapture happens when the last gentile gets saved.

 

[Goodboy]

But yeah I agree with this being an awesome thread. And my hats off, once again, to @Goodboy...who constantly was a beautiful well of refreshing water along the way at JDF. He had some really awesome posts then/and/now Amen.

Thanks for the complement TCC, but I really can't take any credit. I know that you and most who post a lot on this forum read and study the Bible a lot. I cannot not say that about myself. I was not a good student in school nor am I a good student of the Bible. The only quality I have is logic and the humbleness to listen to what the Holy Spirit says. Now I am not at all saying that everything I post is from the Holy Spirit or that I am always right. However the things that I post that are correct and that many here agree with, are mostly from the Holy Spirit.

Now I know some will think I am saying I am special and proud because I say that I receive the correct things I post anyway, from the Holy Spirit. No, I am not special at all as all Christians have the ability to hear from the Holy Spirit if they are humble enough to listen. Look what the Bible says below.

John 14:25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. (Today this refers to what is stated in the Bible)
John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

To me it is sad that even many Pastors do not get their understanding of scripture from the Holy Spirit. Sure seminary, Bible college and things like that are great, but they are only learning what someone else has come up with which could be incorrect. The Holy Spirit has shown me some things (some of which I have posted here) that many Pastors and Churches teach that is not correct. I did not get it from study which I have already said I am not good at. The Holy Spirit just somehow has me read a verse or hear a verse preached and tells me what it means. At times someone on the forum posts something which I have never read or heard and the Holy Spirit will explain the verse to me.

Why am I saying this? Because so many Christians just get tied to some Pastor or Christian author and just believe whatever they say. I saw this clearly at some other forum I was a member of. I think if the Pastor said that rain comes from giant invisible birds they would believe it. I am not blaming them, as I think they don't believe they can understand the Bible themselves and just depend on whatever the Pastor says. By the way, as a young immature Christian I did that myself.

If you are still reading this I want you to know that you, yes you can gain understanding from the Holy Spirit if you ask for it and are humble enough to receive it. The humble part is primarily not taking credit for the understanding that the Holy Spirit gives you. Also, don't believe anything a Pastor, Christian author or even me tells you unless you read it from the Bible yourself.

Wow!!! It seems as though I have gone on a rant! Well I hate to say this, but again I think the Holy Spirit wants me to say what I have, because someone needs to hear it! It is time for all of us Christians to get serious and stop following man, as the time is short! The rewards we get are only while we are alive on earth and are only based on what we do both mentally and physically. Learn from the Holy Spirit and share what you learn with others and of course share the Gospel!!!

God Bless!

 

[Goodboy]

My hesitation to line the rapture up with any of the Festivals is that I was taught that the rapture happens when the last gentile gets saved.

Why can't both things be true? Maybe the last gentile gets saved during one of the Festivals!

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

We don't have to worry about our new glorified bodies either. We won't get sick, overweight, throw up, or die.

no covid!

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

I think everybody who loves a good burger is at peace with one another. @Ghoti Ichthus certainly has my deepest respect for the frequency that burgers are her cuisine of choice. She certainly has demonstrated exquisite taste, and is consistent.

Awwwww . . . @Tall Timbers you're the real HAMBURGER King

Much as I like HAMBURGERS, the almost-constant menu of them is as much a result of trying to eat clean while on a budget. Bonus: not spending all my time in the kitchen. And not dealing with the smoke detector (the apartment has a greatly inadequate range fan and no window in the kitchen)


Wonder if the Heavenly Hamburgers will be cloud-fed

 

[Goodboy]

So again I was led to another of this guys videos tonight. This time he responds to those who asked him what if the Rapture does not happen in September. I guess because some who watch this next video may not have seen the first one, he repeats some of the signs. So if you just want to see his answer to the question, skip to about the minute 4:00 mark. I really like his response!

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[Margery]

Seems like many hang their hat on any agreement that comes along as potentially being "the agreement/covenant". I just can't do that. When the covenant is made, it'll be done.

I've listened to some pretty compelling stuff using the Hebrew grammar used in that passage in Daniel. The form used suggests that this covenant is pushed forcibly onto "the many" who are the rulers in Israel. The many is a Hebrew form that supposedly applies to Israel and the wording implies a forcible action by the one person against the many in Israel. The many being applied to Israel I've heard from more than one source.

Do I know Hebrew grammar? NOPE! But it sounded good. The source for the covenant being pushed down Israel's throat by one individual- if you are interested is Lee Brainard of Soothkeep and he explains it using standard textbooks that Hebrew scholars use. And Lee has studied Hebrew.

His video on the subject came out recently- to state why he doesn't think any agreement that the UN puts forward will fit. According to Lee it must be the Antichrist, and it isn't an agreement that Israel wants, they are forced to take it.

Maybe Adrian @mattfivefour has some thoughts on that sentence and the grammar used.

 

[Andiamo]

I've listened to some pretty compelling stuff using the Hebrew grammar used in that passage in Daniel. The form used suggests that this covenant is pushed forcibly onto "the many" who are the rulers in Israel. The many is a Hebrew form that supposedly applies to Israel and the wording implies a forcible action by the one person against the many in Israel. The many being applied to Israel I've heard from more than one source.

Do I know Hebrew grammar? NOPE! But it sounded good. The source for the covenant being pushed down Israel's throat by one individual- if you are interested is Lee Brainard of Soothkeep and he explains it using standard textbooks that Hebrew scholars use. And Lee has studied Hebrew.

His video on the subject came out recently- to state why he doesn't think any agreement that the UN puts forward will fit. According to Lee it must be the Antichrist, and it isn't an agreement that Israel wants, they are forced to take it.

Maybe Adrian @mattfivefour has some thoughts on that sentence and the grammar used.

Does he comment about that the word “confirms” means “makes strong” or “strengthens” what may be an already existing covenant?

Strong's Hebrew: 1396. גָּבַר (gabar) -- To prevail, to be strong, to be mighty

Hijacked Abraham accords, or something different maybe. And I wonder how much the AC could be working behind the scenes right about now.

 

[KMendel]

The rapture doesn't HAVE to happen on a Jewish holiday. Jesus wasn't born on a Jewish holiday.............he as born in Bethlehem due to the censu being taken at the time. But, He did have to die during Passover, as He was the sacrificed lamb. That opens the door for the rapture to ,happen on a non-holiday, but perhaps leading up to a Jewish holiday shortly thereafter. Just thinking out loud...............

 

[Margery]

Does he comment about that the word “confirms” means “makes strong” or “strengthens” what may be an already existing covenant?

Strong's Hebrew: 1396. גָּבַר (gabar) -- To prevail, to be strong, to be mighty

Hijacked Abraham accords, or something different maybe. And I wonder how much the AC could be working behind the scenes right about now.

I know Lee has talked about it, and I think so has Dr Ken Johnson.

Lee actually doesn't think it's necessarily a previous covenant, altho it might be, but he said something about how it's strengthened- more on the lines of something that couldn't be said no to if I recall correctly but i'm fuzzy on that.

 

[Margery]

It'd be nice if the Rapture was this fall. Or the next second or minute or day or week or month or year. I've been waiting for most of my life. 55 years ago next Friday my mother died. I was 14.

A little before she died she took me aside and explained the Rapture again, pointing to 1 Thess 4:13-18 So I think I've been expecting the Rapture for just over 55 years now.

From that time forward I've been looking for and expecting the Rapture. She explained it could be at any moment. She explained that I was to live each day as if I had to prepare for a lifetime here on earth, but to ALSO live each day expecting the Rapture at any moment.

She gave me a bible, and a copy of Hal Lindsay's Late Great Planet Earth that summer and I clung to the hope of the Rapture in the months of grief to follow. The Blessed Hope.

Time passed, but I kept looking forward to the Rapture.

I still cling to it. I still look forward to it. There's been more than one person shake the Christian world with a date that seemed like a sure thing. But the day after each of these dates came and went. Each time I'd hope they were right ---but part of me said --Just wait on the Lord. His timing is perfect.

This last January one of my nephews phoned to tell me he gave his heart to the Lord and he and his wife are living for Christ.

I've been praying for him (and his 5 siblings) since they were born (actually as soon as my sister told me she was expecting again). He just turned 38 or 39 so I've been praying for his salvation for almost 40 years.

I'm sure glad the Lord allowed him to come to salvation in January. Still praying for the others.

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.


One day soon I'll be reunited with George and my mother when the Lord comes for us and till then I'll keep praying for those beloved ones who are still lost. One more day, one more chance.

I'm sick and tired of this world and it's sin. I miss George dreadfully! But I'm hopeful to see a few more saved before we go up.

Any minute now.... till then I'll work and pray to see another one or more saved.

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

FWIW, I think the Rapture, first sacrifice in the Third Temple (could be in a Tabernacle or the site pending assembly of a pre-fab Temple) and the signing of the 7-year treaty could all happen on the same day.

Somehow, I don't think God would want the confusion of the Church still being here at the same time of the Third Temple, which could make it hard for people to learn and understand the means of Salvation (Jesus Christ). I think the Rapture taking the Church away and removing the Restrainer allows for the first sacrifice to happen and the treaty to be signed. Perhaps the treaty being signed "allows" the first sacrifice to occur, as in the signatories don't attack because of it. OTOH, it may be the final "hook"


Thinking aloud . . . since God is Who turns Gog back, when the Rapture happens, maybe that's when the rest of Ezekiel 37-38-39 occurs. It makes sense to me that in this day-and-age of immediate world-wide communication and fast military mobilizations that many, many prophecies could be fulfilled on the same day.

 

[TCC]

The rapture doesn't HAVE to happen on a Jewish holiday. Jesus wasn't born on a Jewish holiday.............he as born in Bethlehem due to the censu being taken at the time. But, He did have to die during Passover, as He was the sacrificed lamb. That opens the door for the rapture to ,happen on a non-holiday, but perhaps leading up to a Jewish holiday shortly thereafter. Just thinking out loud...............

Good point.

 

[TCC]

Yes, this is a very encouraging thread

My hesitation to line the rapture up with any of the Festivals is that I was taught that the rapture happens when the last gentile gets saved.

I commented on this earlier in this thread, but likened to how your are thinking Hol, I linked the last 3 Fall feasts to Christ's return. According to and in line with the 70th week. And recently I have been thinking of Feast of Trumpets as the Sign of the Son of man, instead of the rapture. But as recent as late this morning, I wondered if it could be both the rapture and Son of Man sign. And it makes sense that it could.

• The rapture is Christ receiving the church
• The Son of Man sign the invitation to Israel
• Both the rapture and the Son of Man sign are in relation to Christ's return
• When Christ came in the 1st century He wanted to give Israel the kingdom/In the rapture He gives it to the church and the Son of Man sign the invitation 'again" to Israel

One thing in addition is this:

* Where does Christ meet the church? And, where is the sign of the Son of Man?

Just some interesting thoughts. Blessings.

 

[mattfivefour]

Here Randy Nettles along the theme of speculation comes up with some possible tirbulation dates etc based on Daniel calculations.

To save trouble, his possible scenario dates are towards the bottom of his article and reasoning for those time periods

The End of the Age – From Firstfruits to Hanukkah: Part II

In my last article, The End of the Age – From Firstfruits to Hanukkah (rev310.net), I explained why I believe the last seven years of Daniel’s 70th Seven prophecy (Daniel 9:24-27) will be based on the Jewish calendar and not a 360-day “prophetic” calendar. More on this later, but first, let’s...

www.rev310.net

That's an old article of Randy's. His calculations led to 2024. This shows the problem with such speculation.

 

[dwb]

After watching I agree the math and reasoning is interesting. I hope the rapture happens before Sept. 23/24, but the Bible doesn't tell us when. Only the Father knows the time.

 

[Spartan Sprinter]

I know Lee has talked about it, and I think so has Dr Ken Johnson.

Lee actually doesn't think it's necessarily a previous covenant, altho it might be, but he said something about how it's strengthened- more on the lines of something that couldn't be said no to if I recall correctly but i'm fuzzy on that.

Lol i like Lee's recent encouragement vidoe whete he's constantly reminding us of our knucklehead moments

 

[TCC]

After watching I agree the math and reasoning is interesting. I hope the rapture happens before Sept. 23/24, but the Bible doesn't tell us when. Only the Father knows the time.

Generally i agree with that. But part of exegesis is the balance and contrast of context. I believe what Jesus referred to was when will the earth be burned up. In addition, 60 years after Jesus made that statement, John wrote Revelation. And recorded what Jesus well telling Him. The first verse says:

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants,

So if the Father told Jesus something 60 years later, it might have been shared to us by Christ. Certainly the Son would know then if the Father wanted Him to know. I'm not saying the day and hour of the rapture is in Revelation. I am just saying that while Jesus was on earth, He did not know. And he shares things with John the Father did want us to know 60 years later.

Rev 12, if a rapture passage, does not tell the day and time. But if it is prophetic regarding the rapture, it would seem to likely have to do with the Rev 12 sign. There is a cross reference too that could be made concerning the Rev 12 sign (like an x marks the spot). But even if we apply that and it is accurate, it would only be describing a brief window season. Not a day and hour.

So if the rapture is next month, the cross reference potential would likely be something we would find possible not to notice. In part, that season would possibly and likely be Israel in massive unmistakable triumph mode. But the way the cross reference is implied, next month seems far too soon. But if it is next month and the way i am describing exegesis, our next hand full of days would bring Israel to heights never seen before. And off the charts conquering. In the current trajectory (if true) that would still likely be 2 to 4 years out given our current state of affair.

So i am just saying that to suggest that perhaps the Father, through the Son in Revelation, brings clarity to a thematic season pinpointing the rapture bang zone. The most generic sense (if true) would be Israel on steroids, I believe. Blessings.

 

[Kem]

The rapture doesn't HAVE to happen on a Jewish holiday.

Very true but of course it could.

Jesus wasn't born on a Jewish holiday.

That we really don't know. We do know the shepherds were in the fields at night, typically the shepherds would not be in the fields at night in winter so there is a definite possibility that his birth was actually in September on one of the fall feasts.
The following is from Google but I have heard and read it elsewhere for many years.
"While the Bible doesn't specify the date of Jesus' birth, early Christian leaders debated the possibility of celebrating it. The choice of December 25th was likely influenced by the pagan celebrations already occurring around the winter solstice, potentially to make the Christian holiday more appealing to those already observing similar traditions."

 

[Goodboy]

I am just saying that while Jesus was on earth, He did not know.

Right you are!!!

Why didn't Jesus know when the Rapture would happen while he was on earth if he is in fact God? It is because he did not use his Godly powers as a man or his sacrifice would not have been as a man. Satan tried to tempt Jesus to use his Godly powers so that he would not be a valid sacrifice. Point being, resurrected Jesus as God now knows all that the Father Father knows.

Luke 4:1 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,
Luke 4:2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered.
Luke 4:3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.
Luke 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

Philippians 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Philippians 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.