Is the RAPTURE Really Next Month? The Bible’s Timeline Is Shocking

[TCC]

I like Michael Heiser. I miss him, another gone too soon. Which of his books are you referencing about his thoughts on those issues you mentioned above?

Hi Ron. Thanks for the reply. Well I don't really have any of his books. I'm sure the Unseen Realm has some things that would fascinate me. But not for the reason Heiser likely wrote it. Brother, I used to be in the fallen angels mating with humanity camp long before I met Heiser. My pastor from a previous church touched on that lightly. So I believed that for decades. When I came across Heiser it was a stage where it was still intriguing to me.

After I went through several observations of the book of Enoch, I became convinced over time that what is referenced in the bible (of Enoch in the new testament) is only in the book of Enoch (written in the second century BC) because of oral tradition. I don't believe that what the new testament affirms about Enock attests to the book of Enoch (even though it would have been known as a 200 year old book among Jewish tradition). I believe it states what it does about Enoch in reference to the oral tradition. Not the 200 BC extra biblical writing of Enoch.

I did take several months to look through a lot of that kind of material. But within just the last two years I came across two sources that were extremely helpful. One was from Keil and Delitzsch OT Commentary. And another I forget the source but can send it to you in PM if interested. It discloses how the Septuagint demonstrates a difference between men and angels in Old Testament passages related to Gen 6. And it is as plain as day it is not demonstrating that angels mated with humans. The Septuagint is something too that Heiser praises. But never addressed why it is so different than the views he takes on Gen 6 if it is all that great (a Hebrew rendering of the Old Testament translated into Greek at the time of Christ's viisit in the first century). There are strong reasons I differ but not trying to rant. Just wanting to be clear about my distinctions.

I have a friend that is deeply into all of that. So Mike H. makes some interesting points on a number of topics outside Enochian theology. The two I mentioned above are really well done and good examples of where I have really appreciated his perpsectives. I hope it is ok to post them here.

The Bronze Serpent:

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Naaman the Leper

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Blessings.

 

[TCC]

You said a lot which for me is a bit confusing. Not at all saying what you stated was in itself confusing, it was just somewhat confusing to me. So I will just try my best to respond to what you asked at the end.

Let me first tell you what I experienced when the Rapture did not happen in 2024. At that time I was dealing with a good friend that desperately needed hope as she was severely depressed! I mean she could hardly even get out of bed. When her and I discussed the Rapture and the signs, we both thought the Rapture would happen some time that year which gave her and I a lot of hope At that time while I was not severely depressed, the hope of the Rapture that year helped me find at least some joy.

So when the Rapture did not happen I was disappointed, but not depressed. You see the thought that it would, had kept me positive all that year which was a good thing. So I ended up just hoping it would be the next year. My good friend that was so depressed said the same thing, which was maybe next year. What is my point? I believe God allowed me (not told me) to believe what I did to help both my friend and I make it through 2024 without being too depressed. Remember at that time Biden was president! LOL!

So back to your question. Even if the Rapture does not happen in September I have learned a lot from the video I posted and will just look for the Rapture in the near future.

Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

God Bless!

Super beautiful answer brother. Thanks

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

Very true but of course it could.

That we really don't know. We do know the shepherds were in the fields at night, typically the shepherds would not be in the fields at night in winter so there is a definite possibility that his birth was actually in September on one of the fall feasts.
The following is from Google but I have heard and read it elsewhere for many years.
"While the Bible doesn't specify the date of Jesus' birth, early Christian leaders debated the possibility of celebrating it. The choice of December 25th was likely influenced by the pagan celebrations already occurring around the winter solstice, potentially to make the Christian holiday more appealing to those already observing similar traditions."

December is 9 months before September and frequent time of the Fall Feasts.
Human gestation is about 9 months.
Conception is the beginning of life.
Jesus is the light of/come into the world.
Hanukkah, the feast of light/celebration of the miracle of oil, is usually celebrated in December.
Christmas is a feast of lights in many ways, and is kind of a fulfillment of Hanukkah, although neither is commanded to be observed.

I think celebrating Christmas in December as Jesus' birth/light come into the world is a wonderful way to honor, worship, and glorify God, and it's a great excuse, means, and opportunity to engage in The Great Commission

 

[KMendel]

I have read in the past, that Jesus birth was more likely in the spring, as the shepherds were tending the sheep as they were birthing their
lambs. (As He was the sacrificial lamb, it would make sense He would be born in the spring, also.) I also highly doubt a census would have been taken during the cold, winter months with many travelling from other places.

 

[TCC]

I have read in the past, that Jesus birth was more likely in the spring, as the shepherds were tending the sheep as they were birthing their
lambs. (As He was the sacrificial lamb, it would make sense He would be born in the spring, also.) I also highly doubt a census would have been taken during the cold, winter months with many travelling from other places.

Great point.

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

I have read in the past, that Jesus birth was more likely in the spring, as the shepherds were tending the sheep as they were birthing their
lambs. (As He was the sacrificial lamb, it would make sense He would be born in the spring, also.) I also highly doubt a census would have been taken during the cold, winter months with many travelling from other places.

If it was birthing season, the shepherds wouldn't have left the sheep, as ewes sometimes need human help, and the wolves prey on the helpless birthing ewes, newborn lambs, and the scavengers the left-behind birthing messes and still-borns attract.

Given that many Roman citizens, and non-citizens for that matter, would have had to travel long distances, necessitating days and weeks of travel, it is more likely the census was in the fall, allowing people to travel during the easiest time weather-wise. The Roman government wouldn't have ordered a census during planting and birthing season, as this would impact agriculture (farmers, etc. would likely not comply because it would hurt their families and livelihoods), the food supply would be reduced, agricultural taxes would be far less, and hungry people tend to revolt. Better in the fall right after harvest during a time of plenty to maximize compliance, accuracy, and collection.

 

[KMendel]

Okay.

 

[Matthew6:33]

Pretty good video with some interesting facts. Come Lord Jesus!