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Is President Trump the Antichrist?

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I am a bit shocked that this forum allows naming the AC.
I'd agree with @Ghoti Ichthus. From what i recall, this was the only post from that person. Perhaps they were testing the waters to see if it is safe for them to fellowship here. Or perhaps that person just feels called to post that in every Christian forum they can get there hands on...lol. But from what I know of this forum, I believe the reason it was left in tact was out of charity. That kind of post is not how this forum generally functions. And out of new neighbor arriving sensitivity, I believe we erred on the side of Christian love to be able to engage with one who might be off in some way or just got off on the wrong foot. And just being welcoming of heart and hopeful of dialogue that might mature them and us further along the way.

But thanks for posting the concern. Coming across that randomly would seem concerning...lol. Like, "What the heck goes on up in here?" Lol. But thanks for the grace and opportunity for the forum to weigh in on that event. There was another somewhat newish person here who thought to defend the topic out of Christian care and heart for neighbor. I believe since that occurrence the discussion unfolded into several things to consider. The most important to me was that, in the spirit of His forum, we were willing to engage with new arrivals that might find a forum not talking about that sort of thing as odd as we might find our own forum guessing who the AC is. If that makes sense? In any event, thanks for the opportunity for this forum to weigh in Set-Free. I hope that helps some. Blessings. :heart:
 
Trump isn’t even the AC, so he didn’t “name” him.
Just a troll who knew exactly what this board was about before his hit and run.
I would concur mostly. And even with this added feature here, it may likely not change anything. But a while back we did have quite many of us from JDF closure that came to this forum. Many of us are still here just not as active in posting. Although it is true that the general consensus in this forum is favorable of Trump admin changes (I believe because a majority of them tend to be on the sound side of life during an era that has lost its mind), there are a grip of us (and I use "us" as me included -- at least in somewhat protective concern over what view might see alt right concerns of Luciferian Light agendas unfolding potentially -- with me super underscoring "potentially," in just keeping an open mind), from the JDF world that would not be favorable toward Trump agenda's. I'm kind of the exception. And in some respects even more quite the exception to an off the chart degree, far surpassing even generic levels of support generally found in our forum toward Trump (with my somewhat martian end times views...lol). But...

...just saying all that to say that there are many of us here that don't exactly trust Trump or the agenda. And in very real cases internally speak against the Trump agenda. But if a troll comes by...they would not pick up on any of that. So your take Amethyst is likely very accurate dear sister. I just thought it to be more ironically fun knowing underneath it all, if that troll had any idea of the lava flow underneath a somewhat dormant political view volcano, they might have tried to stay a while and maybe even lead a revolt...lol. Ok, i could not resist saying that last part. Laughing out loud. But i just mean yeah they could have stuck around and tried to get to know people in the forum. And we were totally open about doing so. Blessings.
 
This is the first time I have seen this thread. The OP is an obvious troll and does not deserve a response. In this great country even the ignorant and the idiots have a right to speak their mind.
 
It is clear to me that President Trump is not a true believer.

President Donald Trump said he didn't think he was going to heaven while traveling to Israel following the U.S.-brokered ceasefire agreement in Gaza.​


Trump was answering questions from reporters on Air Force One on Oct. 12 when Fox News' Peter Doocy asked whether this ceasefire would help the president get into heaven, referring to Trump's previous comments that ending the war in Ukraine might help him make it to the pearly gates.

"I mean, I'm being a little cute. I don't think there's anything going to get me in heaven," Trump responded to Doocy. "I think I'm not maybe heaven-bound ... I'm not sure I'm going to be able to make heaven, but I've made life a lot better for a lot of people."

Video Here:


-- I do find his comments strange for some who calls themselves a Christian.
 
If you read the entire thread through carefully, you'll see that the discussion was likely started by a troll, but there are good comments about the AC, etc. in the thread that debunk the idea that we can know who the AC is.
Ghoti, I did read the thread. I figured it was a troll. My point was that trolling should be ignored and not responded to and, imo, not allowed here.
 

President Donald Trump said he didn't think he was going to heaven while traveling to Israel following the U.S.-brokered ceasefire agreement in Gaza.​


Trump was answering questions from reporters on Air Force One on Oct. 12 when Fox News' Peter Doocy asked whether this ceasefire would help the president get into heaven, referring to Trump's previous comments that ending the war in Ukraine might help him make it to the pearly gates.

"I mean, I'm being a little cute. I don't think there's anything going to get me in heaven," Trump responded to Doocy. "I think I'm not maybe heaven-bound ... I'm not sure I'm going to be able to make heaven, but I've made life a lot better for a lot of people."

Video Here:


-- I do find his comments strange for some who calls themselves a Christian.
That is a bit alarming for him to say that.

I hope his Christian circle spoke to him after this statement and gave him a rundown
 
Ghoti, I did read the thread. I figured it was a troll. My point was that trolling should be ignored and not responded to and, imo, not allowed here.
I understand your point. It's a tough call in an assembly of mature believers as to what to allow ... at least it is when the topic is not over questions of settled doctrine. We try to allow people here to express their views, and we trust the mature believers here will give the proper perspective.

In this particular case, the person posted what some in various churches have also speculated. They are wrong in thinking so and I think our members did a good job of explaining why the question was not possible from a scriptural perspective. But without this thread, members (or the hundreds of visitors to this site every day) who wondered the question in their own mind but were afraid to speak up, would not have received an answer.

I want people to be free here to ask their honest questions ... regardless of what they are. Then the truth of Scripture can be bright to bear, and all will benefit. As for the occasional troll, they get taken care of fairly quickly. But we always hope that first they will hear the truth of God's Word, and respond for the salvation of their souls.
 
There were a few times I had thought a person was a troll and some were foreign where English was not their language and another one was disabled. It takes a few posts with some back and forth to know for sure.
And even when they are awfully troll-ish, I pray that some light begins to break thru to set them free, or at least start them thinking. That also goes for those who just pass by, read an interesting headline.

When we use the Scripture to counter a bad idea, that Scripture is out there, for all to read. I believe that the Holy Spirit will use that in some people to start thinking, start listening even if reluctantly. It's why I quote the Scriptures I use usually, not just give references. It forces the eyes onto the Word of God itself.

It's a little piercing of the cloud of ignorance that surrounds them.

The Scripture is more powerful than any argument.
 
There were a few times I had thought a person was a troll and some were foreign where English was not their language and another one was disabled. It takes a few posts with some back and forth to know for sure.

There is so much bad info out there that people absorb and if they are Truth seekers as opposed to trolls we need to be patient, kind, and help them along one step at a time. Many of us here have gained a lot of Biblical knowledge/understanding from our many years of fellowship together here, at RF, and RR. Hopefully many more will join this fellowship that seeks Truth as we watch for our Redeemer to come for us, His Bride.
 
One last thing

The benefit of learning to give an answer to all who ask. We are in God's school of learning to counter bad theology, point by point.

We come up against these arguments in our lives, homes, workplaces, friends.

Having an answer for the hope that is in us. Always ready to demolish arguments and strongholds that set themselves up against the knowledge of God. That is learned.

Call this sort of thing a class taught by the Holy Spirit in using the Sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God.

1 Peter 3:15
But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,

2 Cor 10:4-5
The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. 5 We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God,
and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.

Eph 6: 11-17
11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. 13 Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

14 Stand therefore, having girded your waist with truth, having put on the breastplate of righteousness, 15 and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16 above all, taking the shield of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God;
 

President Donald Trump said he didn't think he was going to heaven while traveling to Israel following the U.S.-brokered ceasefire agreement in Gaza.​


Trump was answering questions from reporters on Air Force One on Oct. 12 when Fox News' Peter Doocy asked whether this ceasefire would help the president get into heaven, referring to Trump's previous comments that ending the war in Ukraine might help him make it to the pearly gates.

"I mean, I'm being a little cute. I don't think there's anything going to get me in heaven," Trump responded to Doocy. "I think I'm not maybe heaven-bound ... I'm not sure I'm going to be able to make heaven, but I've made life a lot better for a lot of people."

Video Here:


-- I do find his comments strange for some who calls themselves a Christian.

If President Trump thinks he has to be "good enough" as some believers do, he may think he's not Heaven-bound.
There's a lot of legalism out there, which causes a lot of angst.

The question from the reporter was, in reality, asking if the ceasefire was "enough" works (i.e., Jesus plus, works alone making someone "worthy," tipping the scale in one's favor, etc.) to get into Heaven.
 
This is the first time I have seen this thread. The OP is an obvious troll and does not deserve a response. In this great country even the ignorant and the idiots have a right to speak their mind.
And being this late stage in our country, there seems to be a premium on folly today. There is a pretty sizeable Christian current and school of thought that does not believe Trump is the AC, but tends to see Trump as a false prophet of some sort. There is a pretty sizeable bent that sees Trump as ushering in the harlot church (Paula White as an example) and perhaps ignite Babylon the Great. It is called the Luciferian Light theory. Where conservative political views are deemed to some degree a way to blend politics with righteousness. I suppose the epitome of this is not Trump but Doug Wilson's Christian Nationalism.

I'm just pointing this out because people that might come to the conclusion that perhaps Trump is antichrist is not likely exactly coming from a form of a vacuum in as much as it is perhaps a form of theory that lives in a neighborhood that does tend to be a bit blurring political and religious (specifically born again Christain) lines. Whatever that trend is (the political one), there is something to it. There is a push of conservative politics with Christianity. There is a push on the table for Christian Nationalism. To me it would be understandable though that concerns of what that is I believe on some levels should at minimum be a concern in Christian culture to at least keep an eye on. Because it is getting louder.

Personally, I don't believe that Christian Nationalism won will succeed. But I must admit, there does seem to be quite a ground swell in that direction with some certain momentum. Ultimately I believe America is becoming far more powerful today on behalf of Israel. A way to bring Israel to soon peace and safety in their region (Ez 38). That is just my personal conviction...which may not be accurate. But if it is, something like that would cause me to wonder if God might permit Christian Nationalism to mirror (as an end time church vibe)as a way Isreal also is to strengthen (but in her Judian perspective, not so much Christian...values in her own nation). My perspective on that has Israel tasting a miniature golf version of what is promised to her on the other side of her 70th week. And it does seem that God would want Israel to smell the wake up coffee on that. So if Christian Nationalism would tend to serve in that way, it is understandable why the blurring of Christian values and the political right might merge. Some would believe that perhaps to be a harlot church forming (because politics rather than the gospel might take the lead there). If it goes like that, i would not view that as a harlot church. But rather (in a totally controversial way for sure), that it potentially be Make Israel Great Again primer for the Ez 38 purpose.

I realize no one is talking like that. And none of that may even occur ever. But the trend, to me, does look in that direction. In 2017, when I saw Trump make changes he did in thwarting some Chinese major influence in global economics, it tripped me out. I literally said under my breath, "That is too much power for one man." And did have a concern that Trump might be the AC. That latest all but a couple of months. But there was something about him that was too big for it not to not mean something. And we don't really have prophetic alternatives to what it means now if a man runs around solving world crisis and ending 8 wars in 8 months. Plus everything else he does. With the greatest of respect DWB, brother, the definition of AC being a man that will solve world wars....that guy...well...he is kind of here already. lol. My sense, is we have not seen anything yet.

That does not mean i believe he is the antichrist. But i suppose in all fairness to those who might be confused and think something like AC could be an option is to me likely because we have no other option or category for whatever Trump seems to be becoming before us. So yeah although I agree it is pretty wacked to do a forum drive by telling everyone Trump is the AC is not mature, considerate, or even helpful. What it is though is, to me, not an unreasonable random sample of where the church might not have much else to go. Maybe i am mistaken. But let's say if Trump gets more and more powerful to ridiculous degree, aside from NAR thinking he is going to usher in Christian Nationalism to bring Christ back, what else might the church even make of that? We don't have a context exactly there though.

So although yes for sure we live in a time where whack jobs are the norm far too often...i really love pastor Adrian and TT's takes on this. Granted not all of us see the different factions forming or to what degree they might. But with the Luciferian Light theory, I see that quite a bit in differing modes. I also see a lot on the Christian Nationalism front. Perhaps with all the insanity going down over Trump, it can be of help to many because if this keeps going on like that, its just going to increase the number of people wondering. If that makes sense? Blessings. :)
 
I want people to be free here to ask their honest questions ... regardless of what they are. Then the truth of Scripture can be bright to bear, and all will benefit. As for the occasional troll, they get taken care of fairly quickly. But we always hope that first they will hear the truth of God's Word, and respond for the salvation of their souls.
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