Immediately after the Rapture

[mattfivefour]

Here's something else of significance that I think will definitely contribute to the great lie. This technology shocked me.

Post in thread 'AI chatbots are the new priests'

Nov 5, 2024

I had that exact same reaction when I saw the AI animated photographs available on YouTube. If you look at them you will be absolutely shocked. All they need to do is add a voice and you have a seemingly living, breathing, reacting human being. Some of the people I have seen seemingly alive have been dead for almost 200 years. Here's some examples--

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.

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I had to keep reminding myself that these are not motion pictures of people, most of whom are long dead. They are still photographs of them that have been animated by AI. It is actually...

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[Margery]

I need to go watch that later, I have been fascinated by the use of AI to create lifelike animation from ancient paintings of Queen Elizabeth 1 and her father Henry the 8th with each of his wives. They've even done it with modern clothes instead of the old period clothes from their time. It gets VERY lifelike.

I've seen and don't like the use of AI to animate a dead persons photo- that gets really creepy really fast especially when you see how easily manipulated the grieving loved ones are to this tech.

Totally gets into the image of the Beast stuff. Rev 13:14-17 talking about the False Prophet and the image of the Beast here:

14 Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth. It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived.

15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed.

16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads,

17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.

 

[1LoverofGod]

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Regardless of the timing, beginning, during, or mid trib, I believe as Jack does that the lie is the AC claiming he is God. To my knowledge, the first time the AC claims this is when he desecrates the temple.

Question: What do you think will be the strong delusion that God sends to the world as written in 2 Thessalonians 2:11? “And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.” That question has been on my mind lately.

Answer: The lie Paul was speaking of here is the claim made by the anti-Christ that he is God (2 Thes. 2:4). After the rapture, those who have refused to believe in the true Christ, will instead believe in an impostor, the anti-Christ. God will encourage this by blinding them to the fact that the miracles, signs, and wonders they will be seeing are counterfeit. Because of this, they will be deluded into thinking these things are real, and will see them as validating the anti-Christ’s claims. Jesus said, “I have come in my father’s name and you have not accepted me. Another will come in his own name and you will accept him” (John 5:43) He was speaking of the anti-Christ.

The Strong Delusion – Grace thru faith

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I agree with this view especially when reading the context being about the man of lawlessness.
I believe the delusion will strongly impact the Jews who will see AC as the Messiah, and fulfills Jesus words.....

"I have come in My Father’s name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive"
John 5:43

 

[3Nails4Given]

World wide chaos, untold number of deaths as a direct result of the rapture….Planes pilotless, cars crashing with no drivers…..etc…Looting will commence right away. Evil unleashed that had previously been held back. Think how evil the world has become in our lifetime, its unimaginable how evil it will become after the Holy Spirit stops restraining.

Another area I think about is if the Age of Accountability is true, and all children under a certain age will be raptured. If this is true, then all countries will feel the devastation not just those countries with a higher percentage of Christians.

Within 72 hours after Hurricane Helene and there being no electricity for a hundred miles, the few gas stations that had generators and were pumping gas with lines 1/2 mile long and longer, folks were already losing it. There were fights and guns drawn on people.

My brother in law, a trucker, always told me if the trucks don’t run within 72 hours you’ll have chaos. He was right. Our warehouses operate on a 72 hour supply, they basically unload and load every three days, especially foodstuffs.

Within 3 days the stores that could open were sold out of most foods. Almost all of the stores lost their cold and frozen foods.

I expect the first few days after the rapture will be worse, because the power grids will have been knocked down by trucks, cars, buses, and airplanes, etc….

 

[Andy C]

I expect the first few days after the rapture will be worse, because the power grids will have been knocked down by trucks, cars, buses, and airplanes, etc….

Yes, devastation everywhere, and thats just from the immediate effects from people departing for Home. Then, its only going to get worse.

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

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I agree with this view especially when reading the context being about the man of lawlessness.
I believe the delusion will strongly impact the Jews who will see AC as the Messiah, and fulfills Jesus words.....

"I have come in My Father’s name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive"
John 5:43

The muslims will accept AC as their mahdi, as well. He's supposed to rid the world of evil and be a descendant of muhammed. It's possible AC could be a descendant of both Isaac and Ishmael. Considering how muslims rid conquered lands of what they consider apostasy and evil (convert or die and imposition of sharia as both religion and government), it sure sounds like what AC will do, persecuting Christians and Jewish people.

 

[unibokk]

NOTE TO READERS: THE FOLLOWING POST BY AN INACTIVE MEMBER IS SCRIPTURALLY INCORRECT. I (AND OTHERS) COVER WHY IT IS WRONG IN SUBSEQUENT RESPONSES. WE HAVE ONLY LEFT THIS PARTICULAR POST UP BECAUSE IT ENABLES US TO TEACH THE TRUTH ABOUT A BAD DOCTRINE THAT SOME CHRISTIANS ERRONEOUSLY BELIEVE.

Marge, I really liked your article as a whole; but I tend to disagree with what you wrote above regarding "the few will get saved over the next little while." I think based on my understanding of human nature and of Revelation 7:9 that there will be a huge number saved ... many of them right after the Rapture, especially among those who had the witness of family and friends in the years before we disappeared. I could be wrong, but it seems logical to me. I certainly hope I'm not wrong, because the longer our loved ones reject the truth after the Rapture, the harder it will be for them to be saved.

Hello Matt
Not one single person will be saved after the rapture has taken place. It will be like when the angels took Lot out of Sodom That city was destroyed and ALL of it's inhabitants. There was no second chance.

 

[Kem]

Hello Matt
Not one single person will be saved after the rapture has taken place. It will be like when the angels took Lot out of Sodom That city was destroyed and ALL of it's inhabitants. There was no second chance.

If that were so, who would be going into the millennium in their natural bodies to populate the earth and reproduce?

 

[Andy C]

Hello Matt
Not one single person will be saved after the rapture has taken place. It will be like when the angels took Lot out of Sodom That city was destroyed and ALL of it's inhabitants. There was no second chance.

Below are just a few verses, there are many others, that prove salvation can be obtained by MANY during the tribulation

Revelation 7

13 Then one of the elders asked me, “These in white robes—who are they, and where did they come from?”
14 I answered, “Sir, you know.” And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15 Therefore, “they are before the throne of God and serve him day and night in his temple; and he who sits on the throne will shelter them with his presence.
16 ‘Never again will they hunger; never again will they thirst. The sun will not beat down on them,’nor any scorching heat.
17 For the Lamb at the center of the throne will be their shepherd; ‘he will lead them to springs of living water.’‘And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.’ ”

 

[mattfivefour]

Hello Matt
Not one single person will be saved after the rapture has taken place. It will be like when the angels took Lot out of Sodom That city was destroyed and ALL of it's inhabitants. There was no second chance.

Respectfully, I cannot agree with you in the least, my friend, because the Bible says the exact opposite. Revelation 7:9-14 is absolutely clear that a "a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language" (verse 9) will come out of "the Great Tribulation" (verse 14) which follows the Rapture (1 Thessalonians 1:10, 5:9; 2 Thessalonians 2:3-8).

To properly interpret God's word, we must compare Scripture with scripture. Neither Matthew 24:37-39 or Luke 17:28-30 is speaking of the time of the Rapture but of the time of the Lord's actual return in judgment. Since the tribulation is a period of judgment and wrath, a case can be made that it refers to that period also. Regardless, in context, both of those passages are referring to the mood of the times, the general attitude among people, prior to that time of Christ's return and God's wrath being poured out upon the inhabitants of the earth. They will be merrily living their lives, doing what they want, as they always have done. Then sudden destruction will come upon them. Fortunately, like Noah and like Lot, we who are the Church of God will not be here for that, for Jesus has delivered us away from (Greek ἀπό, a preposition denoting separation) God's wrath to come (Romans 5:9; 1 Thessalonians 1:10), just as He did those two men and their families.

 

[Cheeky200386]

My understanding of the passage here: 2 Thess 2:8-12

8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.

9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,

10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,

12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.



starts with the coming of the lawless one, the AC so we know this is after the Rapture.

The working of Satan is the point of the discussion- (with all power signs and lying wonders) and with unrighteous deception. So Satan is the one doing the deceiving.

BUT it's among those who perish. So this is among the ones that did not receive the love of the truth. God sends delusion on them.

AND that means that SOME people still have a love of truth-- that they might be saved. They aren't the ones being deceived, nor does God send strong delusion on these truth lovers.

God knows each one who will choose Him- and the ones that won't.

So the ones who don't love the truth, the ones that in verse 12 we further understand, these take pleasure in unrighteousness, THESE are the ones who already want the lie. So God gives them what they want. Strong delusion to believe the lie.

So even before some are saved, God is looking at the hearts. Some have a love of truth. Not saved, just a love of truth. God doesn't send delusion on them. So they are still able to look up, look around and think. Maybe they choose Christ and Salvation, remembering what family and friends taught them. Maybe they don't. But for now they are not under the deep delusion that sweeps over the rest.

The rest love lies, and wickedness. On the rest who love lies and wickedness God sends them a delusion. It's what they want.

I just can’t understand how someone would want a lie and love it. That’s crazy. It’s one thing to be deceived and not know any better. But to know it’s a lie and like it makes no sense.

 

[Margery]

I just can’t understand how someone would want a lie and love it. That’s crazy. It’s one thing to be deceived and not know any better. But to know it’s a lie and like it makes no sense.

It's not because they loved the lie. It's because they didn't love the truth. It's a weird little point, but it's important.

People who love truth won't be deceived.

They love truth, not saved YET, but love truth, and don't buy the lie.

People who hate truth will come under strong delusion. They don't have a choice anymore, because they didn't love truth to start with. They are like those people who lie like breathing

Think of it like those who watch Oprah and The View and believe what they hear without critical thinking. The critical thinkers in the audience don't buy everything they hear. But the die hard fans do. They can't even see that they are deceived.

The ones who would rather say that there are 48 sexes are willingly accepting one lie (a lot of lies actually but call it one). Once they accept one delusion, the next is easier. The boundary lines of reality are blurred.

Those who remember we come out of the womb as male or female are grounded in reality. They are the truth lovers in my example. They are more likely to look for truth elsewhere and reject a bunch of social programming as lies.

So the ones who've been programmed to buy into the current set of lies (including the 48 or more sexes they think exist) and ignore and suppress the biological truth of 2 sexes based on XX or XY chromosomes, will be all ready to buy into the next escalation of lies from the leaders.

Going over to Romans 1:18-31 it shows the progression of lies.

THIS is what Paul is talking about in 2 Thess 2:8-12

Look at the progression- I'll bold the bits to help and think about this in terms of Creation- which plainly shows the Creator, but the inventions and lies of evolution etc blur the truth they could see just by looking around. And just look at how it goes from denying the Creator, to idols, and then to sexual impurity, then homosexuality, then a depraved mind, then every sort of sin that we see all around us, and finally they not only do these evil things, but they heartily approve of those who practice these sins.

NIV
18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness,

19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.

20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.

22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools

23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.

25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.

27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.

29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips,

30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents;

31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy.

32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

 

[Bethlehem57]

It is my sincere hope that amid the chaos that will ensue and globally prepared answers relating to extra terrestrials, all my family and friends will recall the conversations where they labelled me a sad and mentally weak person will come back to them. That they will search for the links, documents and messages I sent to them and that they will wake up and realise what I was telling them was the truth. I’ve given this all to the Lord and trust His judgement.

My prayer as well TOF! I’m leaving Bible Studies in a place where they can easily be found! Our youngest DD (with ADD and Depression) is the one I worry about the most! She was saved a few years ago and as she grew up, I volunteered so she would be actively involved in youth. Now, she won’t talk about anything related to the Bible and refuses to go to church with us or find her own. We’ve purposely been very quiet about our church that we’re leaving and when I almost didn’t make it after the kidney issue, she broke down and couldn’t be comforted without her Dad sitting up with her and praying for me. She’s been so clingy since I got home it’s crazy!

Finally she’s back working at fast food restaurant and will be doing medical coding and billing coming up this month. We had a long talk about her needing a trade or an Associates Degree, so she chose this. She very conscious about her weight (a little heavy) and hates going out, but the job is helping. My solution has been to just be kind with her, of course she’s doing great there, and has no desire to date or make friends. Which has been a blessing, and a curse.

God answered my prayers for our eldest daughter! I remember telling you guys that a woman with prison ministry testified at her memorial about her salvation and her testimony. Praying for this tender hearted DD (actually the eldest DD - we adopted many years ago). God answers prayers- maybe not when we think, nor how we want, but He sure does and I’m a pest to Him with regard to my unsaved friends and family!

 

[Bethlehem57]

Yes, devastation everywhere, and thats just from the immediate effects from people departing for Home. Then, its only going to get worse.

And it’s still a mess! We’ve sent help and funds to assist but it’s crazy how the government has swept this under the rug. It’s heartbreaking to see how many are still homeless and they didn’t have much to begin with!

 

[Margery]

My prayer as well TOF! I’m leaving Bible Studies in a place where they can easily be found! Our youngest DD (with ADD and Depression) is the one I worry about the most! She was saved a few years ago and as she grew up, I volunteered so she would be actively involved in youth. Now, she won’t talk about anything related to the Bible and refuses to go to church with us or find her own. We’ve purposely been very quiet about our church that we’re leaving and when I almost didn’t make it after the kidney issue, she broke down and couldn’t be comforted without her Dad sitting up with her and praying for me. She’s been so clingy since I got home it’s crazy!

Finally she’s back working at fast food restaurant and will be doing medical coding and billing coming up this month. We had a long talk about her needing a trade or an Associates Degree, so she chose this. She very conscious about her weight (a little heavy) and hates going out, but the job is helping. My solution has been to just be kind with her, of course she’s doing great there, and has no desire to date or make friends. Which has been a blessing, and a curse.

God answered my prayers for our eldest daughter! I remember telling you guys that a woman with prison ministry testified at her memorial about her salvation and her testimony. Praying for this tender hearted DD (actually the eldest DD - we adopted many years ago). God answers prayers- maybe not when we think, nor how we want, but He sure does and I’m a pest to Him with regard to my unsaved friends and family!

Something that I think helped my kids growing up. I often had the Bible on tape (cassette tapes, the "olden days" LOL) playing or some hymns playing while I worked around the house- they grew up "not hearing it" but hearing it anyway.

Sometimes I'd think I was being disrespectful to the Bible by cleaning a tub or cooking dinner to the sound of the New Testament on tape (I couldn't afford the whole Bible on tape). But I wasn't.

For a time there we didn't even have that because a friend of mine with a severely disabled autistic son had the ability to listen to the Bible when she drove her son back and forth to school. It was the only time she could "read" the Bible, and it meant the world to her, so I gave my tapes to her.

I had a sheet of paper taped to the fridge with Bible verses on it, large print so I could read it easily. That was another way I built Scripture into my day.

I did it for me, but it has had a lasting effect on my kids without me ever saying a word, or them cracking open their Bibles.

Whether they were aware or not, Bible was getting into them. Psalm 119:130 was one I made them memorize (I did that too, but it's unlikely something your dd would be happy with) and it says:

"The entrance of Your words gives light;
It gives understanding to the simple."

I think the Word goes in whether they are aware of it or not. To this day I listen to YouTube teachers preaching their hearts out and people around me are exposed to that.

If it's the background of you cooking dinner, setting the table, washing the dishes afterwards, you being home and happy, the children remember at the core of their innermost being.

It might not work- you have to judge what your husband and family will tolerate, but if it's playing in the background, as a memory of happy mom noises, it's going in.

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

I just can’t understand how someone would want a lie and love it. That’s crazy. It’s one thing to be deceived and not know any better. But to know it’s a lie and like it makes no sense.

To some people, the truth is very unpalatable. Some people don't want to be or think they're not accountable to anyone, some people don't think it's fair, some people don't understand why a good God would send people to a horrible place, especially forever, etc. To them, a lie is preferable to the truth because they don't want to believe in the truth of Hell. Some also don't believe the truth because they've seen Christians sin and the Church do horrible things (do what I say, not as I do - hypocrisy - turns people off faster than anything).

The devil is smart and tricky. satan deceived Eve, and she was perfect and didn't have a sin nature.

 

[mattfivefour]

When our kids were growing up, my wife always had Christian music or preaching and teaching cassettes and, later, CDs playing all day long in the house and in the car. Our kids had it whether they wanted it or not. They also had the example of an amazing woman of God who showed God's love to them. And it was all of that that brought them back to the Lord when they had each strayed off deep into Satan's realm.

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

When our kids were growing up, my wife always had Christian music or preaching and teaching cassettes and, later, CDs playing all day long in the house and in the car. Our kids had it whether they wanted it or not. They also had the example of an amazing woman of God who showed God's love to them. And it was all of that that brought them back to the Lord when they had each strayed off deep into Satan's realm.

My Parents were believers, but going to church every Sunday wasn't their top priority.
They made sure we were Baptized, had Bibles and hymnals, got Confirmed, and went to Sunday School (when they went to church). Sometimes, Mom took us and went to church by herself (or took me/us as we reached Confirmation age). Dad slept in on some of those mornings (quite possibly because of late musician hours and extra busy week or coming off of tour).
They also gave us big Bible story books, which they would read to us before bed when we were very small.
We also prayed before dinner every evening (family dinner every night was mandatory; once a week away if dating age or for school function).


The big thing helped me was my Maternal Grandmother terrorizing me with Hell and then teaching The Gospel.
She pulled absolutely no punches about Hell (fire, brimstone, lake of fire, utter darkness, stench, worm that never dies, wailing and gnashing of teeth, separation from God, etc. forever and ever and ever), and when she taught me the Now I Lay Me Down to Sleep prayer and what it really means, as a 2 or 3 year-old.
I was blessed with saving faith at 3, right before or after that, in Molly's Sunday School class

Grandma also used to ask me, "Wouldn't it be terrible if Jesus came back right now and found [whatever transgression I had just done or not done]?!!!"

Old fashioned, stern, and strict, but absolutely the right way for me


Never too early for a child to learn the fear of The Lord, Hell, and The Gospel

Really learning the 10 Commandments came afterwards (for me)


Something to consider: It's a lot easier to teach a very, very young child truth because he or she absolutely trusts and believes what Parents tell him or her, and the questions are clarifying ones, not challenging authority/knowledge ones. There's no world gobbledygook to undo or world influences to counter. They're little sponges, soaking everything up This is a big part of why TPTB want as many kids in pre-school as possible, so THEY can determine what the little kids learn without question, and NOT the parents

 

[Spartan Sprinter]

When our kids were growing up, my wife always had Christian music or preaching and teaching cassettes and, later, CDs playing all day long in the house and in the car. Our kids had it whether they wanted it or not. They also had the example of an amazing woman of God who showed God's love to them. And it was all of that that brought them back to the Lord when they had each strayed off deep into Satan's realm.

Older people at work ask me how i could possibly know songs from their generation and say you're to young to know that song.

I respond to them saying when i was a child growing up when i use to get driven around they would make me listen to their music.

It was only in my teens when i started listening to current music back then.

 

[Margery]

Older people at work ask me how i could possibly know songs from their generation and say you're to young to know that song.

I respond to them saying when i was a child growing up when i use to get driven around they would make me listen to their music.

It was only in my teens when i started listening to current music back then.

evil parents, bwahahahahah