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Gift of Tongues Explained

I don't know of anyone that knows anyone that speaks in an unlearned language. If that is true that there are people like that, does anyone on this forum know of any though?
There is a guy at my church that speaks an African language that he was never taught. He claims he was able to do it after getting saved. He said that it is completely effortless. I want to ask him about it again, he said he would show me years ago but I never followed up with it.

He also said that the people on TV that have to "get in a zone" to speak tongues of some kind are faking it.
 
There is a guy at my church that speaks an African language that he was never taught. He claims he was able to do it after getting saved. He said that it is completely effortless. I want to ask him about it again, he said he would show me years ago but I never followed up with it.

He also said that the people on TV that have to "get in a zone" to speak tongues of some kind are faking it.
Thanks for your reply brother. I appreciate it. :)

Yeah it would be interesting to hear about. In general, The reason I am asking I would like to leave here as a general point to consider for this thread in general. The reason I was asking about if anyone has heard people speak languages they never learned, is because Brandon does bring up a very good point about the early church's supernatural ability to speak in languages they have not learned. And that it is a judgement to Israel. I think these are key observations.

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In the sense of a judgement to Israel, if that is what is meant for today though, in observation it does not seem to be that though. What i mean is that it is so rare that we find anyone who has spoken in a language they have not learned. If it is that rare, how is it though then a judgement to Israel? They never hear it. I would like to stress at this point that although I am a cessationist, I was in the Charismatic movement for a number of years. And although we may differ on sign gifts, for the most part I respect the differences. We are in the same body. So I'm not intending by asking, to debate. But as @Cheeky200386 has posted this video of Brandon I am just hopeful to respond to the video per its point of focus on something we can consider from what he said in general. To @Cheeky200386 credit, I have not really ventured much at this level regarding the issue of tongues. So it has been helpful for me to consider as well at this point--something i would normally not track with.

But if we are to go by what Brandon shared, which is from the word of God, speaking in languages we have not learned is not only extremely rare in the church, but secular studies have very few cases of coming across this over the centuries. And if it is that hard for the secular world to find it occur, how is that a judgement to Israel though? It would seem for the most part non-existent in general though.

To take it a slight step beyond where Brandon took this, when we read Acts 2, what we don't find is people speaking in languages they never learned exactly. What we do find, in English, a language we all speak on this forum, is that the Jews from foreign countries having different languages, each one hearing all the saints speaking in their own foreign land based language. In other words, it was not just a supernatural speaking of a foreign language. It was a supernatural ability to speak in every language at the same time. So if we look for that guy in the church, he does not exist today though. This is why I would see it as a reversal of the Tower of Babel. And a judgement testimony of the New Testament about to roll out for the gentile speaking world. It was a judgement, but in addition a form of prophesy miraculously demonstrated by God through the early church. Testifying of God's word now opening up for people of all languages to have, not just Israel. But that gentiles would be taking the honored mantle of being those charged with carrying His authentic word and message for Him. No longer specific to Israel, as the New Testament removes it from their office as a people charged with His message to the world.

So although it is an interesting point that Brandon brings up, that tongues was a judgement to Israel, we did see Jews in Acts react to this. And they were perplexed by it. We can ask, "Are any Jews today perplexed by hearing people speak in every language at the same time?" I don't believe we see any Jew though perplexed by this today. On that note it would seem that although Brandon has taken this in a direction beyond where many would not have ventured, it is not exactly accurate that the gift of tongues was ever limited to one language not learned. Somewhat of a rationalization of the text in part it would seem. As i mentioned before, I like Brandon. And have literally learned from the man. But we don't have people speaking in all languages at the same time today, at least that i am aware of. Blessings.


Acts 2
5
Now there were Jews residing in Jerusalem, devout men from every nation under heaven. 6 And when this sound occurred, the crowd came together and they were bewildered, because each one of them was hearing them speak in his own [e]language. 7 They were amazed and astonished, saying, “[f]Why, are not all these who are speaking Galileans? 8 And how is it that we each hear them in our own [g]language [h]to which we were born? 9 Parthians, Medes, and Elamites, and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea, and Cappadocia, Pontus and [i]Asia, 10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya around Cyrene, and [j]visitors from Rome, both Jews and [k]proselytes, 11 Cretans and Arabs—we hear them speaking in our own [l]tongues of the mighty deeds of God.” 12 And they all continued in amazement and great perplexity, saying to one another, “What does this mean?” 13 But others were jeering and saying, “They are full of [m]sweet wine!”
 
I don't know of anyone that knows anyone that speaks in an unlearned language. If that is true that there are people like that, does anyone on this forum know of any though?
I have heard a number of accounts, but I have at least one that is first hand. My first wife was an active evangelist. One day she was praying in our apartment with a number of unsaved young people who had gathered there to hear her present the gospel to them. As she was praying, she suddenly began speaking in tongues. After she finished the prayer one of the teens said to her, "I didn't know you could speak my language." My wife (who only had a grade 7 education) expressed surprise and said she couldn't speak anything but English. The girl replied, "You were speaking Arabic and you were praising God!" Things like that happened a lot with her.
 
I have heard a number of accounts, but I have at least one that is first hand. My first wife was an active evangelist. One day she was praying in our apartment with a number of unsaved young people who had gathered there to hear her present the gospel to them. As she was praying, she suddenly began speaking in tongues. After she finished the prayer one of the teens said to her, "I didn't know you could speak my language." My wife (who only had a grade 7 education) expressed surprise and said she couldn't speak anything but English. The girl replied, "You were speaking Arabic and you were praising God!" Things like that happened a lot with her.
I was thinking of that account you shared before, Pastor. I've never known anyone personally who has done that but I have heard similar accounts from missionaries. Reminds me that God can do anything he wants for his Glory.
 
Thanks for your reply brother. I appreciate it. :)

Yeah it would be interesting to hear about. In general, The reason I am asking I would like to leave here as a general point to consider for this thread in general. The reason I was asking about if anyone has heard people speak languages they never learned, is because Brandon does bring up a very good point about the early church's supernatural ability to speak in languages they have not learned. And that it is a judgement to Israel. I think these are key observations.

. . . .

In the sense of a judgement to Israel, if that is what is meant for today though, in observation it does not seem to be that though. What i mean is that it is so rare that we find anyone who has spoken in a language they have not learned. If it is that rare, how is it though then a judgement to Israel? They never hear it. I would like to stress at this point that although I am a cessationist, I was in the Charismatic movement for a number of years. And although we may differ on sign gifts, for the most part I respect the differences. We are in the same body. So I'm not intending by asking, to debate. But as @Cheeky200386 has posted this video of Brandon I am just hopeful to respond to the video per its point of focus on something we can consider from what he said in general. To @Cheeky200386 credit, I have not really ventured much at this level regarding the issue of tongues. So it has been helpful for me to consider as well at this point--something i would normally not track with.

But if we are to go by what Brandon shared, which is from the word of God, speaking in languages we have not learned is not only extremely rare in the church, but secular studies have very few cases of coming across this over the centuries. And if it is that hard for the secular world to find it occur, how is that a judgement to Israel though? It would seem for the most part non-existent in general though.

To take it a slight step beyond where Brandon took this, when we read Acts 2, what we don't find is people speaking in languages they never learned exactly. What we do find, in English, a language we all speak on this forum, is that the Jews from foreign countries having different languages, each one hearing all the saints speaking in their own foreign land based language. In other words, it was not just a supernatural speaking of a foreign language. It was a supernatural ability to speak in every language at the same time. So if we look for that guy in the church, he does not exist today though. This is why I would see it as a reversal of the Tower of Babel. And a judgement testimony of the New Testament about to roll out for the gentile speaking world. It was a judgement, but in addition a form of prophesy miraculously demonstrated by God through the early church. Testifying of God's word now opening up for people of all languages to have, not just Israel. But that gentiles would be taking the honored mantle of being those charged with carrying His authentic word and message for Him. No longer specific to Israel, as the New Testament removes it from their office as a people charged with His message to the world.

So although it is an interesting point that Brandon brings up, that tongues was a judgement to Israel, we did see Jews in Acts react to this. And they were perplexed by it. We can ask, "Are any Jews today perplexed by hearing people speak in every language at the same time?" I don't believe we see any Jew though perplexed by this today. On that note it would seem that although Brandon has taken this in a direction beyond where many would not have ventured, it is not exactly accurate that the gift of tongues was ever limited to one language not learned. Somewhat of a rationalization of the text in part it would seem. As i mentioned before, I like Brandon. And have literally learned from the man. But we don't have people speaking in all languages at the same time today, at least that i am aware of. Blessings.


Acts 2
5
Now there were Jews residing in Jerusalem, devout men from every nation under heaven. 6 And when this sound occurred, the crowd came together and they were bewildered, because each one of them was hearing them speak in his own [e]language. 7 They were amazed and astonished, saying, “[f]Why, are not all these who are speaking Galileans? 8 And how is it that we each hear them in our own [g]language [h]to which we were born? 9 Parthians, Medes, and Elamites, and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea, and Cappadocia, Pontus and [i]Asia, 10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya around Cyrene, and [j]visitors from Rome, both Jews and [k]proselytes, 11 Cretans and Arabs—we hear them speaking in our own [l]tongues of the mighty deeds of God.” 12 And they all continued in amazement and great perplexity, saying to one another, “What does this mean?” 13 But others were jeering and saying, “They are full of [m]sweet wine!”
You bring up some excellent points about Jews not really being impacted from the tongues we hear in American churches. I don't believe those are legitimate anyways, the gibberish common in Charismatic Churches. I attended an Assemblies of God church for 1.5 years and didn't last long as I started digging into scripture and seeing glaring inconsistencies with what they were practicing. That I believe is pure emotionalism that riles up that kind of response to lose control and speak nonsense. Interestingly enough it was always women speaking gibberish and prone to it. I always thought that was interesting. Of course, never an interpreter either. lol. I laugh because it's too frustrating not too.

You also note the interesting fact that the disciples were being heard in multilple languages simultaneously. I don't think I've ever heard of that happening in modern times where one person is speaking and multiple people hear that one person speak in their own languages at the same time.
 
You bring up some excellent points about Jews not really being impacted from the tongues we hear in American churches. I don't believe those are legitimate anyways, the gibberish common in Charismatic Churches. I attended an Assemblies of God church for 1.5 years and didn't last long as I started digging into scripture and seeing glaring inconsistencies with what they were practicing. That I believe is pure emotionalism that riles up that kind of response to lose control and speak nonsense. Interestingly enough it was always women speaking gibberish and prone to it. I always thought that was interesting. Of course, never an interpreter either. lol. I laugh because it's too frustrating not too.

You also note the interesting fact that the disciples were being heard in multilple languages simultaneously. I don't think I've ever heard of that happening in modern times where one person is speaking and multiple people hear that one person speak in their own languages at the same time.
One of the many reasons you are a cherished sister here beyond your being in His fold, amen, is that you live out the fulness of Cheeky created in His image redeemed. And bring with her treasures from your heart to share in the beautiful glory of His sincere majesty upon our hearts and minds. Thanks for your encouraging words Cheeky. I was trained in gibberish as we say the first few years of being a Charismatic. I understand :)

I have seen though an ex-girlfriend of mine was praying with her friend near by in my house. And later told me that while they were praying they understood something about a friend of mine and warned me about a friend of mine because of some of his background. They would have no knowledge of. I already knew. But clearly something was revealed to them just their being in prayer together. Amazing.

Later on, a different girl friend of mine was being primed by the church i was at to train her in the ways of relational pursuit. That church we attended became very involved in micromanaging even our thoughts...lol. We were kept from each other for a time trying to exercise their understanding of leadership role. It was due to our inexperience not that we were sinning. But for a time they made me jump through hoops guessing what honoring them as leaders was supposed to look like and be like as they interfered without disclosure. Normally if a lady does not like me, i'm gone yesterday. No worries. But this church wanted to prime in me the "pursuit" while they were constantly breaking up with me through her...lol. To see if i had it in me.

One night, i was going to the movies with a male friend. And was under the impression this girl wanted nothing to do with me by then. So i was getting ready to go to the movies, and in a very unusual manner i saw like a little scene in my head, "Teren, call me." Almost like it was a bit more than a whim or wish or ideal. By nature I am a deconstructionist...and look for reasons to see the worst. So for me, her being out of the picture was comfortable....preferable...because it it told me I was correct to be so negative. And negative is better than uncertainty. But it was pretty surreal.

Small and insignificant event, but while i was at the movies she called me. lol. This rollercoaster lasted 2 years and had things like this and a whole lot deeper going on. Where God would show me stuff like behind the curtain. Things i could not normally know. And fore me, things i was even not too willing to be sure i'd want to know. I would say there are about 20 experiences near unique like that in my life cocnering that episode of life. All super-natural (meaning beyond the norm) from a cessationist church trying to help teach us both manners from an overly excited sense of conservative etiquette "enforcement," syndrome. If you saw the movie The Adjustment Bureau it was like that almost. Or Adam Sandler's Anger Management. Both movies (Anger Management on cable replays) came out while going through all that too...lol. You'd think i'd get a clue. :( But it was like living on another planet. Some were church induced. But i don't think they used energy weapons yet to cause me to think thoughts not my own yet. lol.

All that to just say, yeah, I'm a cessations...but God can do whatever He wants. Amen.
 
All that to just say, yeah, I'm a cessations...but God can do whatever He wants. Amen.
I absolutely agree that God can do whatever He wants. But what do you read in Scripture that leads you to believe the gifts of the Holy Spirit have ceased? If they were included merely as history, then surely we would read of them in the Book of Acts but not find them talked about in the instructional epistles. Yet they are described in great detail in 1 Corinthians 12-14 and also mentioned in Romans 12, Ephesians 4, and 1 Peter 4. Anyway, what scriptural peg or (better yet) pegs do you hang this belief on, my brother?
 
One of the many reasons you are a cherished sister here beyond your being in His fold, amen, is that you live out the fulness of Cheeky created in His image redeemed. And bring with her treasures from your heart to share in the beautiful glory of His sincere majesty upon our hearts and minds. Thanks for your encouraging words Cheeky. I was trained in gibberish as we say the first few years of being a Charismatic. I understand :)

I have seen though an ex-girlfriend of mine was praying with her friend near by in my house. And later told me that while they were praying they understood something about a friend of mine and warned me about a friend of mine because of some of his background. They would have no knowledge of. I already knew. But clearly something was revealed to them just their being in prayer together. Amazing.

Later on, a different girl friend of mine was being primed by the church i was at to train her in the ways of relational pursuit. That church we attended became very involved in micromanaging even our thoughts...lol. We were kept from each other for a time trying to exercise their understanding of leadership role. It was due to our inexperience not that we were sinning. But for a time they made me jump through hoops guessing what honoring them as leaders was supposed to look like and be like as they interfered without disclosure. Normally if a lady does not like me, i'm gone yesterday. No worries. But this church wanted to prime in me the "pursuit" while they were constantly breaking up with me through her...lol. To see if i had it in me.

One night, i was going to the movies with a male friend. And was under the impression this girl wanted nothing to do with me by then. So i was getting ready to go to the movies, and in a very unusual manner i saw like a little scene in my head, "Teren, call me." Almost like it was a bit more than a whim or wish or ideal. By nature I am a deconstructionist...and look for reasons to see the worst. So for me, her being out of the picture was comfortable....preferable...because it it told me I was correct to be so negative. And negative is better than uncertainty. But it was pretty surreal.

Small and insignificant event, but while i was at the movies she called me. lol. This rollercoaster lasted 2 years and had things like this and a whole lot deeper going on. Where God would show me stuff like behind the curtain. Things i could not normally know. And fore me, things i was even not too willing to be sure i'd want to know. I would say there are about 20 experiences near unique like that in my life cocnering that episode of life. All super-natural (meaning beyond the norm) from a cessationist church trying to help teach us both manners from an overly excited sense of conservative etiquette "enforcement," syndrome. If you saw the movie The Adjustment Bureau it was like that almost. Or Adam Sandler's Anger Management. Both movies (Anger Management on cable replays) came out while going through all that too...lol. You'd think i'd get a clue. :( But it was like living on another planet. Some were church induced. But i don't think they used energy weapons yet to cause me to think thoughts not my own yet. lol.

All that to just say, yeah, I'm a cessations...but God can do whatever He wants. Amen.
I'm genuinely curious, but how is one trained in gibberish? How did they get you to voluntarily speak in gibberish and claim it was the Holy Spirit? I've always wondered this and have heard that you just have to losen your mouth and let whatever comes out out. That always sounded absurd to me, as if the Holy Spirit needed our help to speak through us. Even the idea of being trained was a red flag to me because then it goes against the idea that it's a miracle and we never read that the Disciples had to train to do what they did in the book of Acts. Just all of it made no sense to me and did not align with what scripture states.
 
I don't know if I am a cessationist or not. My problem with charismatic and Pentacostal churches is that some make demonstrations of the Holy Spirit like tongues a requirement for salvation.
And the Bible is clear that different members of the church have different functions with different gifts to support that function, so not everyone will get the same gifts.
 
I'm genuinely curious, but how is one trained in gibberish? How did they get you to voluntarily speak in gibberish and claim it was the Holy Spirit? I've always wondered this and have heard that you just have to losen your mouth and let whatever comes out out. That always sounded absurd to me, as if the Holy Spirit needed our help to speak through us. Even the idea of being trained was a red flag to me because then it goes against the idea that it's a miracle and we never read that the Disciples had to train to do what they did in the book of Acts. Just all of it made no sense to me and did not align with what scripture states.
I know what you mean. I've heard of that too. The way i meant though (not to confuse that some churches do dabble in training) is more like reared, encouraged, and guide by emphasis upon it. I was baptized at Church on the way. And the pastor then was Jack Hayford...somewhat known on Christian radio at the time. The just said, "Open your mouth and begin to speak, it will just happen." So i did not mean it in the traditional sense. But more like the poetic sense. But i agree. In one way, believing tongues to be stoked like fire through practice and training, it speaks likely to a prism of in some to many ways the church having drifted off into rationalism...even in the more charismatic venues. Good point cheeky :)
 
The interesting thing about 1 Cor 14 is it would appear to contain a rather context rich flow. As for differences between continuationists and cessationists, there will likely be emphasis placed on varying perspectives. At the end of the day, it would i believe truly be one of those distinctives where brothers and sisters agree to disagree. I have a lot of affection and honor toward the continuationist community. And for me in myself have come to realize our camps will differ, amen.

I would like to note in light of Paul's use of varying literary style known to scripture that Paul is a very fascinating one to consider his flows of thought in a number of places. A verse that has been important to me over the years is actually 1 Cor

1 Corinthians 11:18-19 (verse 19 in particular):

18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.

19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.


I have read a ton of commentaries on verse 19. And not one considers the context that verse is in as to how it is most possibly meant in the actually context. What is the going interpretation is that the church must experiences differences and contrast in order for the best truth of those approved in the truth of it stand out. And that absolutely is the exact opposite of it context, from everything i can tell looking at the context. That would mean that if those taking the Lord's supper in vain, who get drunk and hog all the food can argue strong enough, they could be the class of the approved in the context. And there is no way scripture is saying that. Whatever it is saying, Paul is not praising them and says so in that same context.

I post the above to demonstrate how i don't believe any commentary gets that verse correct for some reason. Also, to demonstrate Paul's use of literary style or device there. BUT, the best reason I post that above comment is because it is not exactly true that no commentary gets that verse correct. There actually is one. It is D. A. Carson. I was blown away by is commentary seeing what i would have suspected in that flow of Paul's thought. Literary stye to point out irony. And it flows beautifully. I also note this because D. A. Carson is...a continueist. And as far as I know, the only one who sees 1 Cor 11:19 through true holy spirit like eyes. Perhaps there are others. I have just never come across them though.

So when I say i have affection for the continuationist camp, I wanted to provide a robust receipt with that. D. A. Carson awesome observation of 1 Cor 11.

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I will see things differently as a cessationist other than my continueist brothers and sister. And having been a continuationist myself previously, I understand how a lot of the verses look. In addition, I do make strides to put myself in the shoes of others in how they might be looking at something differently. To some extent at times, for a time, i might even go as far to say I may even practice letting my own view go for a short while and earnestly stay in the framework as if the way another sees something might be more true. It does not go that far super often. But i've been there. Truly considering the full weight of what that would mean and what other notions come to bear remaining in that orientation a while. Its not actually super difficult in some continuationists views. Because, although i may see the sign gifts differently, I know for sure there is something i am missing in how God moves in the body--that is for sure. So I am a pretty good continueist neighbor even having different import upon the sign gifts.

Well i did not mean for this to be too long. But I just wanted to establish a context to at least offer in the general sense of 1 Cor 14...for those who might not be familiar how one might look upon those texts that are rather gorgeously convincing....can then walk away still having pause toward the sign gifts. If I were a continueist, I might not get to much where that view may be coming from. Because as a continueist, i would remember saying, its so clear. And just so...right there. So I just wanted to provide how in brief, if i could say that at this point, how it could be viewed from a generic cessationist POV. And in my case, one who closely aligns this sort of literary style used by Paul as well in D. A. Carson like spades, to boot fashion...its just me and my view so far.

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1 Corinthians 141-9

1Pursue love, yet desire earnestly spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy. 2For one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God; for no one understands, but in his spirit he speaks mysteries. 3But one who prophesies speaks to men for edification and exhortation and consolation. 4One who speaks in a tongue edifies himself; but one who prophesies edifies the church. 5Now I wish that you all spoke in tongues, but even more that you would prophesy; and greater is one who prophesies than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may receive edifying.

6But now, brethren, if I come to you speaking in tongues, what will I profit you unless I speak to you either by way of revelation or of knowledge or of prophecy or of teaching? 7Yet even lifeless things, either flute or harp, in producing a sound, if they do not produce a distinction in the tones, how will it be known what is played on the flute or on the harp? 8For if the bugle produces an indistinct sound, who will prepare himself for battle? 9So also you, unless you utter by the tongue speech that is clear, how will it be known what is spoken? For you will be speaking into the air.

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If we kept going we would see even more leaning toward the importance of edifying others beyond ourselves. In general, this is the contextual drive I would note. That yes things can be said along the way that to our ears might sound a certain way. And honestly in the way Paul might have meant some of these things, in my own heart, I would certainly need to do more study. But I have done some. And the take away for me would most importantly come from context as king. And when i apply that to 1 Cor 14, the plate, to me, served, is: edify one another (as the focus and main drive). Whatever else i understand i might seen in there, whatever that might be, it would best be holistically of value along the lines of the overarching context, in my estimation.

That is kind of a big thing for me because i came out of a background that did royal court level acrobatics with context. Way above my pay grade. And as that dust settles, context is king would general be of all the exegetical tools the most salient. Even more than Greek word meanings, or so I have found. Incidentally, D. A. Carson is also reformed. So i would defer to him in 1 Cor 11 even though the house he belongs to have tended to specialize in context distortion. But as far as I am concerned with this beloved continueist saint, not in Corinthians 11, for sure.

I hope this is somewhat a compliment to the overall tone of the thread. And hopefully taken as such. For the overarching view of 1 Cor 14 context, admittedly, is difficult even seeing it through cessationist eyes. But overall, in ways i think sometimes biblical approaches that group together like terms first (as in algebra) can be a safe and sane exegetical firework perhaps more often then not. Hope this can add to the overall very beautiful posting of the OP. Blessings.
 

Gift of Tongues Explained.

By David Guzik, Enduring Word

Tongues, Prophecy and Public Worship​

1 Corinthians 14:1-19​


A. The contrast between tongues and prophecy.​

1. (1) The guiding principles.​

Pursue love, and desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy.

a. Pursue love: Paul, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, brilliantly declared the preeminence of love for Christians in 1 Corinthians 13. Now, since love is the greatest, we must pursue it.

b. Desire spiritual gifts: There was nothing wrong with the Corinthian Christians’ desire for spiritual gifts. But they made a godly desire into an obsessive pursuit, when the main pursuit for Christians should be love.

c. Especially that you may prophesy: In 1 Corinthians 12, Paul spoke of prophecy and the gift of tongues only in the context of the other gifts of the Spirit. Now, he will focus on the gifts of prophecy and tongues, and how they should function in church body life. Obviously, in the Corinthian church, there was an over-emphasis on tongues and an under-emphasis on prophecy.

d. That you may prophesy: What does it mean for someone to prophesy? Many who believe miraculous gifts are no longer given by God regard prophecy as simply “inspired preaching,” and not “inspired” in a direct way.

i. Paul will tell us much more about prophecy in this chapter. Yet, we know he does not mean prophecy is identical to preaching, because there was an ancient Greek word available for “preaching” (kerusso), and Paul did not use this ancient Greek word.

ii. “Preaching is essentially a merging of the gifts of teaching and exhortation, prophecy has the primary elements of prediction and revelation.” (Farnell, cited in Kistemaker)

2. (2-3) Prophecy and tongues contrast in​

For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries. But he who prophesies speaks edification and exhortation and comfort to men.

a. He who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God: With the gift of tongues, the speaker addresses God, not men. Disregard of this principle leads to one of the most significant misunderstandings regarding the gift of tongues – believing tongues is a supernatural communication “man to man” instead of “man to God.”

i. If we misunderstand this, we misunderstand Acts 2 and think the disciples preached to the crowd in tongues on the day of Pentecost. Instead, they spoke to God and the multi-national crowd overheard their praise to God. Acts 2:11 says, we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God. Later, Acts 10:46 describes the hearing of the gift of tongues: they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God.

ii. If we misunderstand this, we misunderstand what really happens when someone attempts to interpret a tongue and addresses his or her message to men. A true interpretation of the gift of tongues will be addressed to God, not men. It will be a prayer, praise, or some other communication to God.

iii. If we misunderstand this, we can be led to believe the gift of tongues is just the ability to speak another language, and all Paul means here is interpreting the preacher’s sermon in someone’s native tongue. But no one needs to interpret the preacher’s sermon for God’s sake.

iv. If we misunderstand this, we can misuse the gift of tongues, using it in a way that draws unnecessary attention to ourselves. God does not give anyone the gift of tongues for the direct sake of others (though indirectly others are edified), but for that believer and God alone.

b. He who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God: Because this simple statement is so devastating to the idea that tongues is just a human language spoken for human benefit, many of those who believe the miraculous gifts have passed have trouble with this verse. Some even try to claim Paul speaks sarcastically here and that he criticizes the Corinthian Christians for using the gift of tongues to speak to God instead of men.

i. Paul uses plenty of sarcasm in the Corinthian letters, but certainly not here. If we can say Paul means the exact opposite of the plain meaning of the words here, we are on dangerous ground. Why not apply the same interpretive principle (“he really means the opposite of what he seems to be saying”) to other passages of Scripture?

c. For no one understands him: Paul recognized that normally, when someone spoke in tongues, no one else could understand him. The reason is simple: with the gift of tongues, the intention is to speak to God and not man. Therefore, it is fine if no one understands him, because God understands him.

i. The exception to no one understands him is when the tongue is publicly interpreted. Even then, it is not the tongue itself that is understood, but the interpretation of the tongue.

d. In the spirit he speaks mysteries: When the tongues’ speaker cannot be understood, it does not mean it isn’t really language, or that they are merely speaking “gibberish”; It means they speak in the spirit and that they speak mysteries.

i. Many have done linguistic analysis of people speaking in tongues and have “concluded” they are not speaking a “real” language, but just jabbering in “gibberish.” Of course, it sounds like nonsense to human ears, because it was never intended for human ears. We should expect it to sound like nonsense, because Paul plainly says, in the spirit he speaks mysteries.

ii. However, this does not mean that all intelligible speech is the legitimate gift of tongues. Some, not understanding the gift, may imitate it, or fake it, just to “prove” something.

iii. Does in the spirit refer to the speaker’s spirit or to the Holy Spirit? It could be either one, because both are true. The translators of the New King James Version believe it to be the speaker’s spirit, because they used a lower-case “s” in spirit.

e. But he who prophesies speaks… to men: In contrast to the gift of tongues, the gift of prophecy is directed to men. It is God speaking supernaturally (often “naturally supernaturally”) through people to people.

f. But he who prophesies speaks edification and exhortation and comfort to men: Not only is the gift of prophecy directed towards men, it is also largely positive in its character. Often, when a “negative” word is spoken, it is not truly a word from God at all, or it is a word meant only for the individual, not for someone else.

i. Edification is “building up.” It is a construction term, and speaks of our being “built up” in the Lord. A word of prophecy will build someone up, not tear him or her down.

ii. Exhortation is encouragement. It is like the speech from the coach in the locker room before the big game, rallying the team to go out and perform as they were trained to perform. A word of prophecy will encourage someone, not discourage him or her.

iii. Comfort has the idea of not only consoling, but also strengthening. It doesn’t just cry with someone hurting, it puts its arms around them and strengthens them to carry the load. A word of prophecy will strengthen, not weaken someone.

3. (4-5) Prophecy and tongues contrast in​

He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church. I wish you all spoke with tongues, but even more that you prophesied; for he who prophesies is greater than he who speaks with tongues, unless indeed he interprets, that the church may receive edification.

a. He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself: Some have wrongly thought Paul says this as a criticism. Their idea is that Paul meant something like this: “You selfish Corinthian Christians! You use tongues to only edify yourself, when you should use it to edify others!” This is wrong. Paul is simply stating the nature of the gift of tongues. Since he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God (1 Corinthians 14:2), it follows that it is a gift primarily for self-edification, not church edification.

b. He who prophesies edifies the church: Because prophecy can be understood by all, a true word of prophecy builds up everyone.

c. I wish you all spoke with tongues: Paul was positive about the gift of tongues! Because of the tone of this chapter, it is easy to think he was “down” on the gift of tongues. Not at all; Paul valued the gift of tongues in his own life. In 1 Corinthians 14:18, Paul wrote I thank my God I speak with tongues more than you all. This passage shows that Paul also wanted other Christians to speak with tongues.

i. Why did Paul wish you all spoke with tongues? No doubt, because he knew the value of it in his own life. Paul was able, when in the spirit he spoke mysteries, to unburden his soul before God in a way beyond human language and intellect. He could pray, praise, and intercede beyond his ability to understand and articulate. Paul wanted every Christian to know this same blessing.

d. But even more that you prophesied: As good as the gift of tongues is, Paul sees prophecy as better for the church as a whole. Why? Because He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church. And the focus here is that the church may receive edification more than the individual.

i. Paul’s context in 1 Corinthians 14 is more focused on what the Corinthian Christians do when they come together as a church than on what they do in their own devotional life. There are things that are fine for a Christian to do in their own devotional life, which may be disruptive, annoying, or self-exalting for a Christian to do in a church meeting. The gift of tongues is one of those things. Since Paul focuses on when the Corinthian Christian comes together as a church, it is clear why he regards the gift of prophecy as greater.

ii. However, if one were to ask Paul, “Which is greater for one’s devotional life: the gift of tongues or the gift of prophesy?” He would no doubt say “the gift of tongues,” because who do you prophesy to when you are alone with the Lord in your prayer closet?

4. (6) In Paul’s ministry, he spoke so all could profit.​

But now, brethren, if I come to you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you unless I speak to you either by revelation, by knowledge, by prophesying, or by teaching?

a. If I come to you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you: Paul recognized the gift of tongues was valuable for himself, because in 1 Corinthians 14:18 he wrote I thank my God I speak with tongues more than you all. But it was not valuable for him to speak to others with the gift of tongues. They could not understand him, so they could not be edified.

b. Unless I speak to you either by a revelation, by knowledge, by prophesying, or by teaching? Here, Paul describes different ways he might communicate which would be edifying to others.

i. Revelation: Paul may speak of his own awareness of unique inspiration as an apostle. There may have been times when Paul knew with apostolic authority His words were directly and infallibly from God.

ii. Knowledge: Paul may speak of his own knowledge, or by supernatural knowledge given by the Holy Spirit. Whichever, the knowledge was communicated in the language common to all, so all could profit.

iii. Prophesying: Paul knew he could speak by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, with a sense his thoughts and words were guided and blessed by the Holy Spirit.

iv. Teaching: Paul could also profit others by speaking to them from the Scriptures themselves, teaching them as was his pattern in the churches he founded (Acts 15:35, 18:11, 28:31).

5. (7-9) Examples demonstrating the importance of speaking so all can profit.​

Even things without life, whether flute or harp, when they make a sound, unless they make a distinction in the sounds, how will it be known what is piped or played? For if the trumpet makes an uncertain sound, who will prepare himself for battle? So likewise you, unless you utter by the tongue words easy to understand, how will it be known what is spoken? For you will be speaking into the air.

a. Unless they make a distinction in the sounds, how will it be known what is piped or played? Musical instruments must use a certain pitch and beat to communicate a song. If they do not, the music is not accessible to the listener. Sounds come forth, but they cannot be understood. The same is true for a trumpet that makes an uncertain sound. It is of no profit for others.

i. It may feel good for a child to bang on a piano, and they may like the sound, but for anyone else, it is unpleasant. Even so, someone talking to God with the gift of tongues may be blessed, but no one else is. Therefore, if someone is going to make an uncertain sound (speak in tongues unto God), let them do so unto themselves, and not among others.

b. For you will be speaking into the air: Speaking in tongues at a meeting of the church benefits no one else; it is simply putting sounds into the air, not words and ideas into the minds and hearts of others.

i. It may satisfy curiosity to hear someone else speak in tongues, but it does not edify spiritually. We may think it is “neat” to hear others speak in tongues, but that is more of a soulish curiosity than a spiritual edification.

6. (10-11) All languages can be understood if one knows the meaning.​

There are, it may be, so many kinds of languages in the world, and none of them is without significance. Therefore, if I do not know the meaning of the language, I shall be a foreigner to him who speaks, and he who speaks will be a foreigner to me.

a. None of them is without significance: Language itself is a gift from God. We can communicate with language because we are made in the image of God.

b. So many kinds of languages in the world: Modern linguists know man could not have invented language, any more than we could have invented our own circulatory system. Most modern linguists who reject God believe language is so unique that it “must” have been part of a unique evolutionary process. It’s far more logical to believe God created man with this unique capability, as part of creating man in His own image.

i. Language could not be the product of man putting together sounds all by himself. For example, there are many universal human sounds (like the “raspberry” sound) which are not part of any human language. If man invented language on his own, it would make sense for some language to use that sound.

ii. Language is so complex because languages exist as whole systems, not as small parts put together. Most modern linguists believe all languages come from one original language.

c. So many kinds of languages in the world: Knowing language is a gift from God, and all languages have meaning, we can trust that if we speak in the gift of tongues, God understands, even if no one else – including ourselves – can.

Also, Jesus reminded us: For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. If a son asks for bread from any father among you, will he give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent instead of a fish? Or if he asks for an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him! (Luke 11:10-13) We don’t need to fear we will find Satan when we sincerely seek God.

vii. We can also remember another general principle relating to the gifts of the Holy Spirit: And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets (1 Corinthians 14:32). The Holy Spirit does not make us do strange, bizarre things. He will never make someone shout in tongues, or speak in tongues in a strange manner, though they may do it on their own initiative. But they should never credit or blame the Holy Spirit for what they have added.

8. (15-19) The result: when and when not to use the gift of tongues.​

What is the conclusion then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding. I will sing with the spirit, and I will also sing with the understanding. Otherwise, if you bless with the spirit, how will he who occupies the place of the uninformed say “Amen” at your giving of thanks, since he does not understand what you say? For you indeed give thanks well, but the other is not edified. I thank my God I speak with tongues more than you all; yet in the church I would rather speak five words with my understanding, that I may teach others also, than ten thousand words in a tongue.

a. I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding. I will sing with the spirit, I will also sing with the understanding: Paul will use the gift of tongues, both in prayer and in song, and he will use it often. Yet in the church I would rather speak five words with my understanding… than ten thousand words in a tongue. Therefore, Paul’s use of tongues was focused in his devotional life with the Lord.

i. Paul here makes reference to how we can sing in the spirit. God can give us the freedom to exercise the gift of tongues in a melodic way, so it flows in with worship. However, based on the principles in this chapter, if this is done, it should never be done in a way that would draw attention to itself or distract others.

b. Otherwise, if you bless with the spirit, how will he who occupies the place of the uninformed say “Amen” at your giving of thanks: If no one understands my blessing of the Lord, if no one understands my thanks to God, they can’t say “Amen” with me. When I am gathered together with other believers, I can’t just do my own thing and say, “Well, it blesses me.” I must have a concern for others, also.

i. Apparently, it was the custom in the early church to say “Amen” when someone else prayed, and perhaps during a message. “It was very frequent in primitive times to express their approbation in the public assemblies by Amen. This practice, soberly and piously conducted, might still be of great use in the Church of Christ.” (Clarke)

ii. According to Clarke, some ancient Jews thought it very important to say “Amen, to the point where “they even promised the remission of all sins, the annihilation of the sentence of damnation, and the opening of the gates of paradise, to those who fervently say Amen.”

iii. There is certainly nothing wrong with an “Amen” from the congregation today, as long as it is consistent with everyone being blessed, not just the one saying it!

c. You indeed give thanks well, but the other is not edified: Paul is completely consistent in his emphasis on tongues being directed to God. Just in this passage, he points out what we do with the gift of tongues: we pray, we sing, we bless, and we give thanks. All of these we do unto the Lord, not unto man, with the gift of tongues.

d. I thank my God I speak with tongues more than you all: In this we see that Paul saw great value in the gift of tongues for his own devotional life before the Lord: Yet, when he gathered with other Christians, his concern was to be a blessing, not with getting a blessing.

 

Gift of Tongues Explained.

By David Guzik, Enduring Word

Tongues, Prophecy and Public Worship​

1 Corinthians 14:1-19​


A. The contrast between tongues and prophecy.​

1. (1) The guiding principles.​

Pursue love, and desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy.

a. Pursue love: Paul, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, brilliantly declared the preeminence of love for Christians in 1 Corinthians 13. Now, since love is the greatest, we must pursue it.

b. Desire spiritual gifts: There was nothing wrong with the Corinthian Christians’ desire for spiritual gifts. But they made a godly desire into an obsessive pursuit, when the main pursuit for Christians should be love.

c. Especially that you may prophesy: In 1 Corinthians 12, Paul spoke of prophecy and the gift of tongues only in the context of the other gifts of the Spirit. Now, he will focus on the gifts of prophecy and tongues, and how they should function in church body life. Obviously, in the Corinthian church, there was an over-emphasis on tongues and an under-emphasis on prophecy.

d. That you may prophesy: What does it mean for someone to prophesy? Many who believe miraculous gifts are no longer given by God regard prophecy as simply “inspired preaching,” and not “inspired” in a direct way.

i. Paul will tell us much more about prophecy in this chapter. Yet, we know he does not mean prophecy is identical to preaching, because there was an ancient Greek word available for “preaching” (kerusso), and Paul did not use this ancient Greek word.

ii. “Preaching is essentially a merging of the gifts of teaching and exhortation, prophecy has the primary elements of prediction and revelation.” (Farnell, cited in Kistemaker)

2. (2-3) Prophecy and tongues contrast in​

For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries. But he who prophesies speaks edification and exhortation and comfort to men.

a. He who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God: With the gift of tongues, the speaker addresses God, not men. Disregard of this principle leads to one of the most significant misunderstandings regarding the gift of tongues – believing tongues is a supernatural communication “man to man” instead of “man to God.”

i. If we misunderstand this, we misunderstand Acts 2 and think the disciples preached to the crowd in tongues on the day of Pentecost. Instead, they spoke to God and the multi-national crowd overheard their praise to God. Acts 2:11 says, we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God. Later, Acts 10:46 describes the hearing of the gift of tongues: they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God.

ii. If we misunderstand this, we misunderstand what really happens when someone attempts to interpret a tongue and addresses his or her message to men. A true interpretation of the gift of tongues will be addressed to God, not men. It will be a prayer, praise, or some other communication to God.

iii. If we misunderstand this, we can be led to believe the gift of tongues is just the ability to speak another language, and all Paul means here is interpreting the preacher’s sermon in someone’s native tongue. But no one needs to interpret the preacher’s sermon for God’s sake.

iv. If we misunderstand this, we can misuse the gift of tongues, using it in a way that draws unnecessary attention to ourselves. God does not give anyone the gift of tongues for the direct sake of others (though indirectly others are edified), but for that believer and God alone.

b. He who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God: Because this simple statement is so devastating to the idea that tongues is just a human language spoken for human benefit, many of those who believe the miraculous gifts have passed have trouble with this verse. Some even try to claim Paul speaks sarcastically here and that he criticizes the Corinthian Christians for using the gift of tongues to speak to God instead of men.

i. Paul uses plenty of sarcasm in the Corinthian letters, but certainly not here. If we can say Paul means the exact opposite of the plain meaning of the words here, we are on dangerous ground. Why not apply the same interpretive principle (“he really means the opposite of what he seems to be saying”) to other passages of Scripture?

c. For no one understands him: Paul recognized that normally, when someone spoke in tongues, no one else could understand him. The reason is simple: with the gift of tongues, the intention is to speak to God and not man. Therefore, it is fine if no one understands him, because God understands him.

i. The exception to no one understands him is when the tongue is publicly interpreted. Even then, it is not the tongue itself that is understood, but the interpretation of the tongue.

d. In the spirit he speaks mysteries: When the tongues’ speaker cannot be understood, it does not mean it isn’t really language, or that they are merely speaking “gibberish”; It means they speak in the spirit and that they speak mysteries.

i. Many have done linguistic analysis of people speaking in tongues and have “concluded” they are not speaking a “real” language, but just jabbering in “gibberish.” Of course, it sounds like nonsense to human ears, because it was never intended for human ears. We should expect it to sound like nonsense, because Paul plainly says, in the spirit he speaks mysteries.

ii. However, this does not mean that all intelligible speech is the legitimate gift of tongues. Some, not understanding the gift, may imitate it, or fake it, just to “prove” something.

iii. Does in the spirit refer to the speaker’s spirit or to the Holy Spirit? It could be either one, because both are true. The translators of the New King James Version believe it to be the speaker’s spirit, because they used a lower-case “s” in spirit.

e. But he who prophesies speaks… to men: In contrast to the gift of tongues, the gift of prophecy is directed to men. It is God speaking supernaturally (often “naturally supernaturally”) through people to people.

f. But he who prophesies speaks edification and exhortation and comfort to men: Not only is the gift of prophecy directed towards men, it is also largely positive in its character. Often, when a “negative” word is spoken, it is not truly a word from God at all, or it is a word meant only for the individual, not for someone else.

i. Edification is “building up.” It is a construction term, and speaks of our being “built up” in the Lord. A word of prophecy will build someone up, not tear him or her down.

ii. Exhortation is encouragement. It is like the speech from the coach in the locker room before the big game, rallying the team to go out and perform as they were trained to perform. A word of prophecy will encourage someone, not discourage him or her.

iii. Comfort has the idea of not only consoling, but also strengthening. It doesn’t just cry with someone hurting, it puts its arms around them and strengthens them to carry the load. A word of prophecy will strengthen, not weaken someone.

3. (4-5) Prophecy and tongues contrast in​

He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church. I wish you all spoke with tongues, but even more that you prophesied; for he who prophesies is greater than he who speaks with tongues, unless indeed he interprets, that the church may receive edification.

a. He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself: Some have wrongly thought Paul says this as a criticism. Their idea is that Paul meant something like this: “You selfish Corinthian Christians! You use tongues to only edify yourself, when you should use it to edify others!” This is wrong. Paul is simply stating the nature of the gift of tongues. Since he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God (1 Corinthians 14:2), it follows that it is a gift primarily for self-edification, not church edification.

b. He who prophesies edifies the church: Because prophecy can be understood by all, a true word of prophecy builds up everyone.

c. I wish you all spoke with tongues: Paul was positive about the gift of tongues! Because of the tone of this chapter, it is easy to think he was “down” on the gift of tongues. Not at all; Paul valued the gift of tongues in his own life. In 1 Corinthians 14:18, Paul wrote I thank my God I speak with tongues more than you all. This passage shows that Paul also wanted other Christians to speak with tongues.

i. Why did Paul wish you all spoke with tongues? No doubt, because he knew the value of it in his own life. Paul was able, when in the spirit he spoke mysteries, to unburden his soul before God in a way beyond human language and intellect. He could pray, praise, and intercede beyond his ability to understand and articulate. Paul wanted every Christian to know this same blessing.

d. But even more that you prophesied: As good as the gift of tongues is, Paul sees prophecy as better for the church as a whole. Why? Because He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church. And the focus here is that the church may receive edification more than the individual.

i. Paul’s context in 1 Corinthians 14 is more focused on what the Corinthian Christians do when they come together as a church than on what they do in their own devotional life. There are things that are fine for a Christian to do in their own devotional life, which may be disruptive, annoying, or self-exalting for a Christian to do in a church meeting. The gift of tongues is one of those things. Since Paul focuses on when the Corinthian Christian comes together as a church, it is clear why he regards the gift of prophecy as greater.

ii. However, if one were to ask Paul, “Which is greater for one’s devotional life: the gift of tongues or the gift of prophesy?” He would no doubt say “the gift of tongues,” because who do you prophesy to when you are alone with the Lord in your prayer closet?

4. (6) In Paul’s ministry, he spoke so all could profit.​

But now, brethren, if I come to you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you unless I speak to you either by revelation, by knowledge, by prophesying, or by teaching?

a. If I come to you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you: Paul recognized the gift of tongues was valuable for himself, because in 1 Corinthians 14:18 he wrote I thank my God I speak with tongues more than you all. But it was not valuable for him to speak to others with the gift of tongues. They could not understand him, so they could not be edified.

b. Unless I speak to you either by a revelation, by knowledge, by prophesying, or by teaching? Here, Paul describes different ways he might communicate which would be edifying to others.

i. Revelation: Paul may speak of his own awareness of unique inspiration as an apostle. There may have been times when Paul knew with apostolic authority His words were directly and infallibly from God.

ii. Knowledge: Paul may speak of his own knowledge, or by supernatural knowledge given by the Holy Spirit. Whichever, the knowledge was communicated in the language common to all, so all could profit.

iii. Prophesying: Paul knew he could speak by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, with a sense his thoughts and words were guided and blessed by the Holy Spirit.

iv. Teaching: Paul could also profit others by speaking to them from the Scriptures themselves, teaching them as was his pattern in the churches he founded (Acts 15:35, 18:11, 28:31).

5. (7-9) Examples demonstrating the importance of speaking so all can profit.​

Even things without life, whether flute or harp, when they make a sound, unless they make a distinction in the sounds, how will it be known what is piped or played? For if the trumpet makes an uncertain sound, who will prepare himself for battle? So likewise you, unless you utter by the tongue words easy to understand, how will it be known what is spoken? For you will be speaking into the air.

a. Unless they make a distinction in the sounds, how will it be known what is piped or played? Musical instruments must use a certain pitch and beat to communicate a song. If they do not, the music is not accessible to the listener. Sounds come forth, but they cannot be understood. The same is true for a trumpet that makes an uncertain sound. It is of no profit for others.

i. It may feel good for a child to bang on a piano, and they may like the sound, but for anyone else, it is unpleasant. Even so, someone talking to God with the gift of tongues may be blessed, but no one else is. Therefore, if someone is going to make an uncertain sound (speak in tongues unto God), let them do so unto themselves, and not among others.

b. For you will be speaking into the air: Speaking in tongues at a meeting of the church benefits no one else; it is simply putting sounds into the air, not words and ideas into the minds and hearts of others.

i. It may satisfy curiosity to hear someone else speak in tongues, but it does not edify spiritually. We may think it is “neat” to hear others speak in tongues, but that is more of a soulish curiosity than a spiritual edification.

6. (10-11) All languages can be understood if one knows the meaning.​

There are, it may be, so many kinds of languages in the world, and none of them is without significance. Therefore, if I do not know the meaning of the language, I shall be a foreigner to him who speaks, and he who speaks will be a foreigner to me.

a. None of them is without significance: Language itself is a gift from God. We can communicate with language because we are made in the image of God.

b. So many kinds of languages in the world: Modern linguists know man could not have invented language, any more than we could have invented our own circulatory system. Most modern linguists who reject God believe language is so unique that it “must” have been part of a unique evolutionary process. It’s far more logical to believe God created man with this unique capability, as part of creating man in His own image.

i. Language could not be the product of man putting together sounds all by himself. For example, there are many universal human sounds (like the “raspberry” sound) which are not part of any human language. If man invented language on his own, it would make sense for some language to use that sound.

ii. Language is so complex because languages exist as whole systems, not as small parts put together. Most modern linguists believe all languages come from one original language.

c. So many kinds of languages in the world: Knowing language is a gift from God, and all languages have meaning, we can trust that if we speak in the gift of tongues, God understands, even if no one else – including ourselves – can.

Also, Jesus reminded us: For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. If a son asks for bread from any father among you, will he give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent instead of a fish? Or if he asks for an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him! (Luke 11:10-13) We don’t need to fear we will find Satan when we sincerely seek God.

vii. We can also remember another general principle relating to the gifts of the Holy Spirit: And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets (1 Corinthians 14:32). The Holy Spirit does not make us do strange, bizarre things. He will never make someone shout in tongues, or speak in tongues in a strange manner, though they may do it on their own initiative. But they should never credit or blame the Holy Spirit for what they have added.

8. (15-19) The result: when and when not to use the gift of tongues.​

What is the conclusion then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding. I will sing with the spirit, and I will also sing with the understanding. Otherwise, if you bless with the spirit, how will he who occupies the place of the uninformed say “Amen” at your giving of thanks, since he does not understand what you say? For you indeed give thanks well, but the other is not edified. I thank my God I speak with tongues more than you all; yet in the church I would rather speak five words with my understanding, that I may teach others also, than ten thousand words in a tongue.

a. I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding. I will sing with the spirit, I will also sing with the understanding: Paul will use the gift of tongues, both in prayer and in song, and he will use it often. Yet in the church I would rather speak five words with my understanding… than ten thousand words in a tongue. Therefore, Paul’s use of tongues was focused in his devotional life with the Lord.

i. Paul here makes reference to how we can sing in the spirit. God can give us the freedom to exercise the gift of tongues in a melodic way, so it flows in with worship. However, based on the principles in this chapter, if this is done, it should never be done in a way that would draw attention to itself or distract others.

b. Otherwise, if you bless with the spirit, how will he who occupies the place of the uninformed say “Amen” at your giving of thanks: If no one understands my blessing of the Lord, if no one understands my thanks to God, they can’t say “Amen” with me. When I am gathered together with other believers, I can’t just do my own thing and say, “Well, it blesses me.” I must have a concern for others, also.

i. Apparently, it was the custom in the early church to say “Amen” when someone else prayed, and perhaps during a message. “It was very frequent in primitive times to express their approbation in the public assemblies by Amen. This practice, soberly and piously conducted, might still be of great use in the Church of Christ.” (Clarke)

ii. According to Clarke, some ancient Jews thought it very important to say “Amen, to the point where “they even promised the remission of all sins, the annihilation of the sentence of damnation, and the opening of the gates of paradise, to those who fervently say Amen.”

iii. There is certainly nothing wrong with an “Amen” from the congregation today, as long as it is consistent with everyone being blessed, not just the one saying it!

c. You indeed give thanks well, but the other is not edified: Paul is completely consistent in his emphasis on tongues being directed to God. Just in this passage, he points out what we do with the gift of tongues: we pray, we sing, we bless, and we give thanks. All of these we do unto the Lord, not unto man, with the gift of tongues.

d. I thank my God I speak with tongues more than you all: In this we see that Paul saw great value in the gift of tongues for his own devotional life before the Lord: Yet, when he gathered with other Christians, his concern was to be a blessing, not with getting a blessing.

Nowhere in the context of 1 Corinthians 14 does Paul discount the value of speaking in tongues. Rather, he emphasizes that speaking in tongues is for "self edification" because it is "between the one speaking in tongues and God", and "does not benefit others who cannot understand".
Paul is correct in saying that there is more Importance in the edification of the church than in self edification. He does not say tongues has no value, but that there is more value in the needs of others focusing on love above all else, which falls in line with Jesus teaching on the two greatest commands, to "love God with all of our heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind", and to "love your neighbor as yourself’". Matthew 22:37-39

**** Note: Paul wrote under the inspiration of God and his words were not merely his own personal thoughts.
 
No doubt there is a Hyper-Charasmatic movement that exists.
This movement usually go beyond abusing the gifts with added beliefs and practices that are not founded in Scripture.
These very ones abusing the gifts practice such things as running wildly around their church and falling to the ground and rolling while barking like dogs, and some who break out in unwarranted "holy laughter", and those in this movement have the commonality of the prosperity gospel where the preacher emphasizes giving money to receive the blessing of prosperity and healing, and its the very preachers of this false gospel who boast about their own riches who are within this Hyper-Charasmatic movement. We will not find these kinds of practices in scripture.
This should not surprise us. Jesus warned about wolves infiltrating among the sheep, that there would be Tares among the Wheat.
In 2 Timothy 3:5 we are warned of those with "a form of godliness, but denying it's power, and from these turn away."
Jesus said of false teachers that by their fruits you will know them.
Those who abuse the gift of tongues usually abuse other teachings in scripture as well, teaching a different gospel. This is a serious offense.

6 "I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel,
7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed."
Galatians 1:6-9
 
I don't know if I am a cessationist or not. My problem with charismatic and Pentacostal churches is that some make demonstrations of the Holy Spirit like tongues a requirement for salvation.

I witnessed the distress and anxiety of those in some Pentecostal churches that weren't speaking in tongues. All they had to do was start jabbering away like the rest of them and they would have lost that stigmatism of being outside the fold.
 
Very well laid out argument Rose. It is a very well thought through observation. I will admit my level of study, although I have put in many hours over this subject decades ago, could stand like a couple of weeks in solid research to look further into very nuanced approaches we see Paul offers in 1 Cor 14. So I understand the level of passion over this issues. And do commend the research.

One of the best defenses of this position is the way Paul interchanges thought. Although to me it is indentical to 1 Cor 11 previously shared, I understand it has a flow that would seem odd to "force" into sarcasm. Even where I would disagree I believe what is more important on where we might land on what are considered difficult text or text that have the ability to form denominational differences, is to notice the strengths of what the opposing view to ours has as they should. This is not overly common because of the nature of feeling to not lose hold of our own convictions as much. But there are examples of where this is done historically where steel manning the opponents strong points even where we disagree would be for the general edification beyond points that tend to underscore our core convictions.

On this point, to be fair David does go into verses 20+ to do what I would consider a reasonable approach to biblical interpretation from his continuous perspective. Far be it from me to come to a Continueist leaning forum and want to debate this topic. I would not be into that. But what I would be into is instilling "consideration" among the bretheren. Not a dissolution of conviction. Just the "consideration" of the value of where other believers may see differently. For I believe that is a solid virtue. And unlike the training in tongues that @Cheeky200386 notes (and I agree: tongues cannot be trained), what can sharpen all of us all the time is the practice in consideration as no threat to our own convictions and operates "insistently" in the supernatural realm. Something us mortals can practice and train in over time I believe. Because in our day and age it is not necessarily the go to exactly. On that note it could be said that too much conviction with 0 consideration would be easily classified as the spirit of the age. By this I don't mean that we should not have lines drawn in the sand nor hills to die on. Just that even hills to die on, can supernaturally operate in spirit driven virtue...an encouragement for any church in any age. I just would like my reason for posting on this to be taken in that sense. And in that sense I would say the way I would understand the sign gifts have ceased is a hill to die on for me. But not a hill I need to die on publicly...lol. That is not my interest here.

So the strong points of David would be his willingness to engage verse by verse to dispell the notion of sarcasm. Amen. I think that is a strong point of his. And certainly something on the table to consider for further research is how I would understand that. Not that just because a man says its not sarcasm and has reason that it settles it. Because there are larger over arching issue. For example, David later says the following:

a. Do not be children in understanding: In their selfish desire to edify themselves at the expense of others in the meeting, the Corinthians showed themselves to be children, and selfishly immature. Paul points them to a higher call.

So with this statement for v. 20, maybe sarcasm is too strong a word to use to suggest that is what Paul is doing earlier on in the chapter. But I would imagine Paul in the spirit to use perhaps levels of literary style we have work to do on to properly categorize. As an example of this, I believe Revelation was largely written in modular narrative. A literary style not known until the 1800s and is mostly used in Hollywood. So Revelation was written in Hollywood genre? lol. It sounds crazy. Maybe even belittling. Baring whatever 1st century Judaic style literary tropes we might not be aware of deeply existing in the age of the 1st century, it would not be a surprise to me to understand Revelation written in prose that are for the age it is for mostly. Not that it was not written to all ages. But a literary style that would come most of age for it once its scheduled fulfillment time ultimately arrives kind of thing. So perhaps there are literary styles in 1 Cor that we are not very mature in in our age to understand better. Those outside of strict or direct sacrasm. Which I don't think Paul is doing in the earlier chapter (not sarcasm, but something is certainly going on there literarily...thus we coin these types of chapters including difficult passages...as a result of some kind of literary form we make way to assess). But with David himself noting this in v.20 it kind of begs the question a bit. Suggesting that some tone of this same concern likely flows throughout. Aside from what we may want things to say, taking this one theme into consideration does have merit regardless what else we do with the text.

Further....for verse 22 e.1 David (who admittedly is a robust thinker upon the text, amen) states the following:

i. We also can understand that this is not the primary reason for the gift of tongues. They are not mainly intended by God to be a sign to unbelievers. Even assuming that is what Paul, inspired by the Holy Spirit, originally wrote, Paul has much more to say about the role of tongues in the believer’s personal communication with God. Perhaps Paul is saying something like this: “If you insist on speaking in tongues in your church meetings, instead of in your own personal devotional life, the only good that comes from that use of tongues is that is a sign of judgment to unbelievers. Because they think you are crazy when they hear you speaking in tongues, it simply shows they don’t understand the things of God and are headed towards judgment. But how much better if you were to emphasize prophecy instead of tongues, then everyone could be blessed, believer and unbeliever together!”

The reason I posted that above quote is a couple of reasons. 1) Is that in this line of thinking David is somewhat assuming the referent. What this means is a form of argument that believes something cannot be true or untrue because the subject or object understood consideration is assumed as true. The very thing we are evaluating in what way or not it is true or not. David does this in the following statement: "They are not mainly intended by God to be a sign to unbelievers. Even assuming that is what Paul, inspired by the Holy Spirit, originally wrote, Paul has much more to say about the role of tongues in the believer’s personal communication with God." But this area of how and why Paul is doing that is what we are looking into to discern pattern, mood, mode etc. And 2) Assuming the referent by his catigorical leading inference: "We also can understand that this is not the primary reason for the gift of tongues."

So to research this out, I believe we would best be informed by the text in suspending the less clear by affirming the clear. Which is the exegetical drive of edifying the body. Chapter 14 follows chapter 13. That context is unmistakeable. But please note I would not land the plane there. That just because the exegetical drive is a lot more clear than what is not so clear (that David affirms is the case by need to elaborate as he does), that does not mean we necessarily throw away the nuances David is interesting in defending...amen.. As far though as I have gotten, the clear trumps the not so clear, for me, But that would kind of be the actual starting point for me if I were to study further. Not to further prove my point. But to actually test the strength or weakness of permitting exegetical drive to overrule over considerations. In other words, a determined exercise to weed out exegetical drive. To do that I believe can only be done slowly and deeply challenging all manner of personal bias toward the text. And that, in and of itself to be at a place to navigate those waters In chapter 14 would probably take at least 3 to 5 days of research to even be at a point where further investigation regarding exegetical drive import upon the text could be honestly evaluated. So just saying. lol. Its not settled science for me. But as far as I can go without massive deep research, exegetical drive does win the "more clear" scriptural approach even David attests to using in this context (he does affirm understanding the less clear by the more clear principle).

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So the stronger guiding principles to me actually would not be how to best interpret chapter 14 as where to start from. What keeps me comfortably not needing to drop everything and prioritize 1 Cor 14 as a very necessary text to spend the next 3 months in researching is the following guideposts, for me (which is kind of the wading pool @Cheeky200386 brings to the surface in the OP):

  • If supernatural sign gifts of tongues is in operation today as it was in the 1st century, we would have occurances of people speaking in all languages at the same time witnessed by Israeli's. And there is no documented case of that ever happening after the 1st century.
  • In what way does speaking in tongues today offer a judgement toward Isreal? A nation primed toward their 70th week moment. Ez 38 and the tribulation are likely far more consequential judgements looming, now, for Israel. For the purpose of refinement. And in that, just like it could have had affect to encourage unbeleiving Israel in the 1st century, so will the tribulation be for them. A refinement. In some ways it would seem a notion today is that tongues is competing against the Ez 38 and tribulation approaching backdrop. Could it be that what has replaced tongues as a judgement to Israel today is Ez 38/Tribulaiton? I believe that is a legitimate question, at least to consider.

But again, my reason for engagement at this level is not to win the 1 Cor 14 interpretation arguement. It is merely to assist in providing what concerns cessationists might have that are legitimate. In that sense, the nature of differences in the context of all of this is "Are supernatural gifts in operation today?" So, the answer in the affirmative would logically be: Yes, because we plainly see the supernatural nature of it. But that is not how this is defended typically. Tongues are not a judgement to the cessationist church. And I don't think anyone is saying that. However, its almost like that is what it seems to become. The solution and answer is easy: If it is supernatural according to the word, we would be able to see it. And be bewildered. But that is not normally the concensus surrounding this issue. I hope this at least makes sense in where I am coming from with this. Blessings.

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PS -- outside of our differences dear sister...wow...it is so awesome how active you have become on our forum again :heart:
 
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