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Brandon Holthaus explains why you need to pray for Trump like never before
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@Margery, I’m keeping the US, Israel, Canada & Australia in prayer daily. This weekend we may want to pray for elections in Romania this weekend 
I haven’t watched the video. I like Holthaus on occasion, but so many prophecy leaders have an urgency about them that doesn’t seem biblical to me. I had to stop listening to JB Hixson. I like Andy Woods bringing in today’s headlines because he seldom draws conclusions unless he’s tying it to scripture.
Our dear brother @TCC has an interesting and different view:
“I see what the USA doing with the Arab world as a mercy from God MORE than an evil from man. Man is fallen and that will show up all over the place--it is a given. In Genesis 16, 17, and 21 Ishmael is blessed by God. The Arab world is under an Abrahamic Covenant too. Not the eternal one. But because they came from Abraham who was blessed. What if God uses the Abraham Accords to testify of His Genesis love for the Arab world (at a time this generation is primed for the tribulation)? And if God is doing that, why do we have such a problem with Him doing that? We are not the protectors of how the counsel of God works today. It just troubles me that we are bothered by the Abrhama Accords as if we know better. We don't. God testifies to other nations how He chooses. I understand we see His word and testimony of Christ. And the great commission. But that is for the church. Those who believe. How God circumvence Providence internationally is His doing and His business. Honestly, when the church looks at this situation, I say this truly with love and humility...but for brevity sake, honestly what I plainly see--The church often at times seems to want to tell the world how they must see things through the church's understanding of the Bible. I don't think God gave us that leverage.”
I don’t have a clue either way, but this is a thought provoking thread!
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Well, there's certainly a sort of new wind blowing in all of this and as Andy Woods says, 'Things aren't falling apart but falling into place'. So, as I watch, my thoughts are wondering how God's moving in permitting these things so His prophetic Word falls into place (irrespective of national preferences).
I can't help but to wonder and consider the protest of Ezekial 38:13:
But Sheba and Dedan and the merchants of Tarshish will ask, ‘Do you really think the armies you have gathered can rob them of silver and gold? Do you think you can drive away their livestock and seize their goods and carry off plunder?’
One thing that stands out is this passage is not an allegory. These are real, geographical nations with real events coming about. It's very specific.
Some questions which form in my mind is:
How does Tarshish influence Sheba, Dedan in regards to Israel? or How does this protest indicate how these entities are influenced?
And, why are these entities protesting? What's their motivation here? Why would an attack on Israel be of interest to them?
Here's a definition of merchents:
A merchant is a person who trades in goods produced by other people, especially one who trades with foreign countries. Merchants have been known for as long as humans have engaged in trade and commerce.
Jack Kelly has interesting thoughts on this:
gracethrufaith.com
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Re: The onlookers in Ezekiel 38:13. Who is likely characterized as Sheba, Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish (and all of their young lions) in this passage? I’ve heard that it may be a reference to a placated US government as well as some veiled reference to Revived Rome. It appears by the passage that they are questioning the apparent invasion in an effort to push diplomacy.
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This is how I view the modern equivalents to these ancient countries.
Sheba and Dedan
These two are first mentioned as grandsons of Cush in Genesis 10:7. Later, in Genesis 25:3, we read of two grandsons of Abraham’s named Sheba and Dedan as well, born to Jokshan, a son of Abraham and his 2nd wife, Keturah. It’s not clear which pair of grandsons is being referenced, but commentaries none-the-less identify these two as probably representing the nations of the Arabian Penninsula, notably Saudi Arabia.
According to archaeologists W. F. Albright and Wendell Phillips, Sheba was on the southwestern edge of the Arabian Peninsula across the Red Sea from present-day Ethiopia. Sheba is known in history as Saba in Southern Arabia, the Sabaeans of classical geography, who carried on the trade in spices with the other peoples of the ancient world. Dedan was probably the habitat of the Arabs on the northern part of the Arabian Desert, which is modern-day Saudi Arabia. The ancient capital of Saudi Arabia is still called Dedan on many maps today.
Tarshish
Tarshish was a son of Javan, who had settled the area of Southern Greece after the confusion of languages. There are three schools of thought where Tarshish is concerned. One locates Tarshish to the East, accessible from Solomon’s great seaport at Ezion Geber on the Red Sea. Since Javan and his family traveled north and west from Babel at the confusion of tongues, it seems unlikely. Large sea going vessels were often nicknamed “Ships of Tarshish” and more likely this is how Tarshish came to be linked with Ezion Geber, since both Solomon and Hezekiah built such vessels there.
Others see this as a reference to ancient Tartessus, a seaport in southern Spain, near Gibraltar. Still others recall the sea going navies of the Phoenicians, who operated out of nearby Cadiz. The Phoenicians sailed as far north as England for tin, a metal used in the making of bronze and other alloys, which they mined in Cornwall, and which leads some to connect Tarshish with England. It may be that the name Britannia is actually derived from a Phoenician word meaning “source of tin.” If so, this reference could be to Great Britain making the “lions” (KJV) or “villages”(NIV) of Tarshish Great Britain’s colonies, of which the US is most prominent today. The fact that the lion is a symbol of the British Empire lends support to this view.....(end of article)
What seems to be forming today is more than just an uncanny coincidence of the players being the same ones that God's Word describes so long ago through Ezekial. If there's a sure take away here, it's that God's Word proves true and is trustworthy. Therefore, it behooves people to consider more seriously other parts of God's Word, especially where it concerns Salvation of one's soul. That is:
"For it is my Father’s will that all who see his Son and believe in him should have eternal life. I will raise them up at the last day.”
John 6:40 - Jesus Christ.
And it behooves one to consider and recognize the signs of the times, that is what seems to be the quickly closing up of the opportunities to be saved from God's wrath as entailed in Revelation, before the Tribulation.
Today's the day to say yes to God's grace and mercy shown through Jesus Christ and be assured as a subsequent child of God who trusts Jesus, of an incredibly blessed, eternal future with Him in the Heavenly city of Jerusalem.
I can't help but to wonder and consider the protest of Ezekial 38:13:
But Sheba and Dedan and the merchants of Tarshish will ask, ‘Do you really think the armies you have gathered can rob them of silver and gold? Do you think you can drive away their livestock and seize their goods and carry off plunder?’
One thing that stands out is this passage is not an allegory. These are real, geographical nations with real events coming about. It's very specific.
Some questions which form in my mind is:
How does Tarshish influence Sheba, Dedan in regards to Israel? or How does this protest indicate how these entities are influenced?
And, why are these entities protesting? What's their motivation here? Why would an attack on Israel be of interest to them?
Here's a definition of merchents:
A merchant is a person who trades in goods produced by other people, especially one who trades with foreign countries. Merchants have been known for as long as humans have engaged in trade and commerce.
Jack Kelly has interesting thoughts on this:
Who Are The Onlookers Of Ezekiel 38:13? – Grace thru faith
gracethrufaith.com
Q
Re: The onlookers in Ezekiel 38:13. Who is likely characterized as Sheba, Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish (and all of their young lions) in this passage? I’ve heard that it may be a reference to a placated US government as well as some veiled reference to Revived Rome. It appears by the passage that they are questioning the apparent invasion in an effort to push diplomacy.
A
This is how I view the modern equivalents to these ancient countries.
Sheba and Dedan
These two are first mentioned as grandsons of Cush in Genesis 10:7. Later, in Genesis 25:3, we read of two grandsons of Abraham’s named Sheba and Dedan as well, born to Jokshan, a son of Abraham and his 2nd wife, Keturah. It’s not clear which pair of grandsons is being referenced, but commentaries none-the-less identify these two as probably representing the nations of the Arabian Penninsula, notably Saudi Arabia.
According to archaeologists W. F. Albright and Wendell Phillips, Sheba was on the southwestern edge of the Arabian Peninsula across the Red Sea from present-day Ethiopia. Sheba is known in history as Saba in Southern Arabia, the Sabaeans of classical geography, who carried on the trade in spices with the other peoples of the ancient world. Dedan was probably the habitat of the Arabs on the northern part of the Arabian Desert, which is modern-day Saudi Arabia. The ancient capital of Saudi Arabia is still called Dedan on many maps today.
Tarshish
Tarshish was a son of Javan, who had settled the area of Southern Greece after the confusion of languages. There are three schools of thought where Tarshish is concerned. One locates Tarshish to the East, accessible from Solomon’s great seaport at Ezion Geber on the Red Sea. Since Javan and his family traveled north and west from Babel at the confusion of tongues, it seems unlikely. Large sea going vessels were often nicknamed “Ships of Tarshish” and more likely this is how Tarshish came to be linked with Ezion Geber, since both Solomon and Hezekiah built such vessels there.
Others see this as a reference to ancient Tartessus, a seaport in southern Spain, near Gibraltar. Still others recall the sea going navies of the Phoenicians, who operated out of nearby Cadiz. The Phoenicians sailed as far north as England for tin, a metal used in the making of bronze and other alloys, which they mined in Cornwall, and which leads some to connect Tarshish with England. It may be that the name Britannia is actually derived from a Phoenician word meaning “source of tin.” If so, this reference could be to Great Britain making the “lions” (KJV) or “villages”(NIV) of Tarshish Great Britain’s colonies, of which the US is most prominent today. The fact that the lion is a symbol of the British Empire lends support to this view.....(end of article)
What seems to be forming today is more than just an uncanny coincidence of the players being the same ones that God's Word describes so long ago through Ezekial. If there's a sure take away here, it's that God's Word proves true and is trustworthy. Therefore, it behooves people to consider more seriously other parts of God's Word, especially where it concerns Salvation of one's soul. That is:
"For it is my Father’s will that all who see his Son and believe in him should have eternal life. I will raise them up at the last day.”
John 6:40 - Jesus Christ.
And it behooves one to consider and recognize the signs of the times, that is what seems to be the quickly closing up of the opportunities to be saved from God's wrath as entailed in Revelation, before the Tribulation.
Today's the day to say yes to God's grace and mercy shown through Jesus Christ and be assured as a subsequent child of God who trusts Jesus, of an incredibly blessed, eternal future with Him in the Heavenly city of Jerusalem.
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