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Abraham Accords and the “Golden Age”

Tall Timbers

Imperfect but forgiven
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Events in the Middle East have been happening quickly; hostilities culminated to twelve days of war directly between Iran and Israel, and now, the Abraham Accords is set to expand. It is referred to as the “Abraham Accords” because the contrivers have sought to exploit Abraham as a commonality. The same is true for the Abrahamic Family House, an interfaith complex for the religions of Catholicism, Islam, and Judaism as a center for the interfaith movement and religious pluralism. “Pluralism is more than just the sharing of certain values or agreement on some social issues…Pluralism has to do with lending credence to competing truth claims and accepting diverse beliefs regarding God and salvation [1].” In actuality, Abraham was outstandingly different from the societies around him.

Prosperity and security certainly are not bad qualities to have, however they can deceptively become an idol, and scripture tells that this mindset would be inevitable. Revelation 3:17 “You say that you are rich, and have gotten riches, and have need of nothing.” There is a definite trade-off between love and trust in God, with love and trust in riches. 2 Timothy 3:2-4 says it like this: “lovers of money…rather than lovers of God.” A false sense of security is warned against in 1 Thessalonians 5:3 “When they say ‘Peace and safety”, then sudden destruction comes upon them.” In contrast, “keep yourselves safe in God’s love” 2 Timothy 2:15.

The “golden age” that is being touted aligns perfectly with the Laodicean church in Revelation. The book of Revelation is in chronological order. Chapter 1 is Jesus Christ resurrected. “I am the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore!” Revelation 1:18. Chapters 2 and 3 are the church age. It is no coincidence that to the church in Philadelphia it is said “Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.” (Revelation 3:10), because it is the Laodicean church that will be in existence right up to the tribulation. Many will not be raptured, which happens in chapter 4. “Not all who say to me “Lord, Lord,” will enter the kingdom of heaven” Matthew 7:21.


This article is an opinion piece that I thought might be of interest to some here.
 
Events in the Middle East have been happening quickly; hostilities culminated to twelve days of war directly between Iran and Israel, and now, the Abraham Accords is set to expand. It is referred to as the “Abraham Accords” because the contrivers have sought to exploit Abraham as a commonality. The same is true for the Abrahamic Family House, an interfaith complex for the religions of Catholicism, Islam, and Judaism as a center for the interfaith movement and religious pluralism. “Pluralism is more than just the sharing of certain values or agreement on some social issues…Pluralism has to do with lending credence to competing truth claims and accepting diverse beliefs regarding God and salvation [1].” In actuality, Abraham was outstandingly different from the societies around him.

Prosperity and security certainly are not bad qualities to have, however they can deceptively become an idol, and scripture tells that this mindset would be inevitable. Revelation 3:17 “You say that you are rich, and have gotten riches, and have need of nothing.” There is a definite trade-off between love and trust in God, with love and trust in riches. 2 Timothy 3:2-4 says it like this: “lovers of money…rather than lovers of God.” A false sense of security is warned against in 1 Thessalonians 5:3 “When they say ‘Peace and safety”, then sudden destruction comes upon them.” In contrast, “keep yourselves safe in God’s love” 2 Timothy 2:15.

The “golden age” that is being touted aligns perfectly with the Laodicean church in Revelation. The book of Revelation is in chronological order. Chapter 1 is Jesus Christ resurrected. “I am the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore!” Revelation 1:18. Chapters 2 and 3 are the church age. It is no coincidence that to the church in Philadelphia it is said “Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.” (Revelation 3:10), because it is the Laodicean church that will be in existence right up to the tribulation. Many will not be raptured, which happens in chapter 4. “Not all who say to me “Lord, Lord,” will enter the kingdom of heaven” Matthew 7:21.


This article is an opinion piece that I thought might be of interest to some here.
The term Golden Age makes me think of a better place Heaven which we are told has golden streets and gates of pearls. Looking forward to meeting my CCF <3 family in our eternal (y)(y) home some day! :bighug:
 
I voted for Trump, and in my flesh I generally like what I'm seeing in terms of policy and action, but I'm suspicious of where this is taking us in terms of the world. They are pushing to divide Israel, and having read the Book, like y'all, we know where things are going to wind up. This sure seems like the road there. Glad our citizenship is in Heaven! It's not going to be so golden for the earth dwellers, and I hope many more change their citizenship before the call to vacate this place.
 
but I'm suspicious of where this is taking us in terms of the world. They are pushing to divide Israel, and having read the Book, like y'all, we know where things are going to wind up.
I wonder if Amir is right in his post on Telegram the other day, or if he is just hoping :

Amir Tsarfati
Netanyahu and Trump want a Palestinian state
as much as Khamenei wants a Jewish one. However, just as they did with the previous round of the Abraham Accords, they’ll float that option and vaguely mention “a path towards two states” just so the Palestinians will reject the proposal, thus paving the way to add more countries to the Accords. Don’t believe anyone who claims otherwise. Thankfully, this time we don’t need to speculate anymore. We have seen this scenario before, and we know how it works!

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Has Trump installed the gold toilets in the white house yet, I wonder? That's what I think of when I hear "golden age".......

Seriously, I have a real problem with him........... he does not act like a follower of Christ. he does not speak like a follower of Christ.
He does not Tweet like a follower of Christ. He does not reason like a follower of Christ who has the Holy Spirit indwelling him.
Nothing about him rings true. He is not bearing the fruits of a follower of Christ. It can't be just me who feels this way........can it???
 
Has Trump installed the gold toilets in the white house yet, I wonder? That's what I think of when I hear "golden age".......

Seriously, I have a real problem with him........... he does not act like a follower of Christ. he does not speak like a follower of Christ.
He does not Tweet like a follower of Christ. He does not reason like a follower of Christ who has the Holy Spirit indwelling him.
Nothing about him rings true. He is not bearing the fruits of a follower of Christ. It can't be just me who feels this way........can it???
I was never under the impression he was born again. :noidea:
He said he never felt the need to ask God for forgiveness.
Is this a widespread belief that he is born again?

I don't expect a unsaved person to act like a saved person, morally.
Even saved people don't "act" saved half the time.
 
Has Trump installed the gold toilets in the white house yet, I wonder? That's what I think of when I hear "golden age".......

Seriously, I have a real problem with him........... he does not act like a follower of Christ. he does not speak like a follower of Christ.
He does not Tweet like a follower of Christ. He does not reason like a follower of Christ who has the Holy Spirit indwelling him.
Nothing about him rings true. He is not bearing the fruits of a follower of Christ. It can't be just me who feels this way........can it???
Like I said on another thread, sometimes I want to hug him, when he pops out with "we love you God" and tries to acknowledge God's hand in the success of the B2 missions the other day, and other times I want to shake some sense into him.

I have no clue if he's saved or not. If he is, he is sure a baby still. As such they make a lot of messes trying to grow up and do it like the adults around them. I hope that is the case.

His spiritual advisor is Paula White. That is a serious problem.

Even if he isn't

He is still in power because God wills that he be there. For good or for ill. I watch as his actions, whether he realizes that or not, or intends it or not seem to be catapulting Europe onto the stage to become Rome 2.0 in my opinion. I saw it at NATO again.
 
I look at what he's doing with NATO and the EU as herding cats down the road- kind of like a shepherd but not in the nice pastoral view, more as someone who is making sure that the EU is in a place of increasing military power.

Not so much by next Tuesday, but certainly ready to fill the gap after Ezek 38 eliminates the Russian/Iranian/Turkish power group.

He's also making Netanyahu and the Israeli's less complacent and reliant on America. They are losing trust in him and his ability to help them when they need it, but stay out of telling them what to do about Gaza, the "west bank" and other land issues. He is herding them too, in a more benevolent sense BUT...

He supports Israel, no question BUT that support comes with strings

AND he also toys with the idea of Gaza as a Trump casino on the Med, and talks about restrictions on building in the West Bank.

AND he talks of limiting Israel's continued war in Lebanon, Gaza etc before they are finished taking care of business.

HOWEVER he moved the Embassy to Jerusalem, and supports Israel's right to Jerusalem, and he supports their ownership of the Golan Heights.

There's definitely 2 sides to his support. Some of it comes with strings that are not Biblical.

The Bible speaks of Israel having returned from war, settled in peace in the West Bank area in Ezek 38.

That suggests that whatever Trump plans - God has other plans.

It suggests by the wording of Ezek 38 that whatever remnant of the USA still remains (and I think the rapture is what guts America) is too weak to come to Israel's defence.

IF they are there at all by then, they are part of Tarshish and her cubs, who speak up with Sheba and Dedan (looks awfully like the Abe Accords to me) to ask the Russian alliance if they are invading Israel to take plunder and spoil. If they AREN'T part of Tarshish and cubs, then they've gone from the world scene as the world's policeman and as Israel's protector. Disappeared. That lines up with Trump's stance on things like tariffs etc, pulling America back to a protectionist and isolationist circle within it's borders.

Right now I think Trump is engaged in a protective role for Israel, but it's weaning them off their dependence and trust in Trump.
 
There are a LOT of Christians in Minnesota that are "never-Trumpers" and absolutely despise and distrust him.

Regardless, he's the President, which God ordained to this time, and the Bible says we are to respect and obey our government.

His Salvation is between him and God. None of us behaves well all of the time. I certainly don't.

Power is like a narcotic, and it's hard for people in positions of power to not fall prey to its wiles and temptations. It can be harder for some than others, depending on temperament and what's being demanded behind-the-scenes.


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There are a LOT of Christians in Minnesota that are "never-Trumpers" and absolutely despise and distrust him.

Regardless, he's the President, which God ordained to this time, and the Bible says we are to respect and obey our government.

His Salvation is between him and God. None of us behaves well all of the time. I certainly don't.

Power is like a narcotic, and it's hard for people in positions of power to not fall prey to its wiles and temptations. It can be harder for some than others, depending on temperament and what's being demanded behind-the-scenes.


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AMEN!!!

Which is why even if we don't like our leaders, we are commanded to pray for them. We don't know the pressures they are under, the way the enemy targets their weak spots.
 
I voted for him the first time around, and I had planned on voting for him again. But the more he talked during the campaign,
the more my spirit said no. It's easy to praise him if you are only looking at the USA/Israel thing - altho I believe he is looking at gaining
something(s) for himself in his interventions/promises. His "art of the deal" is wrapped up always in gaining something for himself. Nothing has changed there.

But, his whole thing on using ICE to round up the illegal aliens to get rid of the criminals is a laugh. And a lie. He's not using ICE to go after the gangs, drug dealers, and criminals. He's not sending them to the gang infested areas.................he's rounding up the aliens who are working, productive, family members just trying to make a living and maybe send some money back home to family. The bad ones are still here and thriving and will remain here the way it is going,

We should be paying attention and calling things out as we see them.................if we don't we are risking doing exactly what the Germans did/didn't
do in the 1930-40's. We're supposed to learn from the past, not embrace the errors of the past. Is it that we are only interested as Christians in the USA and Israel...........and not the rest of humanity? Just remember, when a government goes after one group of people and removes them, they go after another group, and then another..........until ultimately they come for you. Now it is the Mexicans, next it will be the middle-easterners, then the blacks, then it will be the poor whites.........then the middle class............until all that is left is the rich and their AI to be their workers.

Is he a Christian? I can't say. But, there is not much that points to it. Someone said above that all Christians deal with sin and making bad decisions, and that is true...........but, they (we) are TRYING to do better and walk with Christ. I don't see that with him. He references God when it suits him, but then immediately brings it all back to himself. We are supposed to honor/obey him while he ignores and tries to dismantle the laws of our land? While he threatens to take over Canada, Iceland, and the Panama Canal? While he works to dismantle the term limits of the presidency? We must do better at scrutinizing all of it...........or we will become no better than the people who followed Jim Jones and drank the kool-aid. Just as Europe should have scrutinized Hitler but didn't, we need to not just champion Israel, but also our own people who are being persecuted. Too many people in our great land - Christian or not - are praising and raising this man to levels of magnificence that are unprecedented and dangerous. Just my personal opinion and I don't expect a lot of you to agree .... but I've been biting my tongue for a while now, and I gather my opinion - right or wrong - is just as important as anyone else's so here it is. Thanks for reading.....
 
Too many people in our great land - Christian or not - are praising and raising this man to levels of magnificence that are unprecedented and dangerous. Just my personal opinion
Kathy I am glad you are here at CCF and grateful for you sharing your perspective.

I hope this helps: I pray for civil leaders—especially Trump & Netanyahu. It’s remarkable how much that has HELPED ME! Now when good things happen I automatically thank God for answered prayers :thankyou:

I wish people would stop letting President Trump rent space in their heads. In my world he’s kind of in the background and his importance is connected to how the Lord uses him.

If you have read our brother @TCC when he comments on Trump, you may find some things in common. Maybe California news feed :shrug:

I love that both of you are comfortable here at CCF to color outside of the lines and share minority views!
 
Thank you. I do pray for our leadership...... from the president on down the ranks. I pray for the American people too. I pray for the good people who have immigrated here in good faith who are being persecuted..... and for all those suffering around the globe. My heart is broken at the amount of non-compassion I see and the vitriol that is coming from Christians and the unsaved on social media. It’s not what Jesus taught while He was here. May God come for us soon...... I pray for that, too.
 
We all will be deeply disappointed if we think Trump, or any other US President will make their decisions based off eschatology. Many well respected Pastors have vastly different views on the end times, so I’m not sure why we would expect a President to have solid eschatological views.

With the above in mind, God has and will continue to use Trump in whatever manner He chooses, regardless of if we understand at the time.
 
Andy...... my thoughts above have nothing to do with escatology. My concern is with a president that constantly spouts vitriol on his social media and on camera. If someone dares disagree with him, he attacks verbally and threatens them. Constantly. We've never had this kind of behavior to this degree in the White House before. Instead of doing surgery to eliminate financial waste in governmental departments, he just shuts down the whole lot - to our detriment. Instead of getting rid of criminal immigrants as he said he was doing, he's ignoring them and going after the hard-working, productive immigrants. It's hard not to give him "rental space in my mind" because he is constantly in front of cameras spouting his disrespectful vitriol.
I can't be quiet anymore. I'm not saying he hasn't done a few good things...... but, overall, he's behaving badly. He's not "joking" - he's serious. And, he's scary.
 
Andy...... my thoughts above have nothing to do with escatology. My concern is with a president that constantly spouts vitriol on his social media and on camera. If someone dares disagree with him, he attacks verbally and threatens them. Constantly. We've never had this kind of behavior to this degree in the White House before. Instead of doing surgery to eliminate financial waste in governmental departments, he just shuts down the whole lot - to our detriment. Instead of getting rid of criminal immigrants as he said he was doing, he's ignoring them and going after the hard-working, productive immigrants. It's hard not to give him "rental space in my mind" because he is constantly in front of cameras spouting his disrespectful vitriol.
I can't be quiet anymore. I'm not saying he hasn't done a few good things...... but, overall, he's behaving badly. He's not "joking" - he's serious. And, he's scary.
I don’t like his personality and name calling, but I do agree with most of his decisions.

I lived in CA for many decades, and I know how the local news is not a reliable source of news when it comes to any Republican issues, and ESPECIALLY Trump.
 
Instead of getting rid of criminal immigrants as he said he was doing, he's ignoring them and going after the hard-working, productive immigrants.

By my way of thinking, and my thinking aligns with our current laws, illegal aliens are not technically immigrants, they are illegal aliens. Thus, they are all criminals by virtue of entering our country illegally, the only question is to what degree. Now that district courts won't be able to stop Trump countrywide, this administration should be able to accelerate deportations of illegal aliens. I'm thankful for that personally.

I have first hand knowledge of the conditions that a lot of illegal aliens have left behind, and it isn't pretty. Even so, they should all be deported. If we need more workers, we should make it easier, perhaps much easier for people around the world to immigrate (come here legally) to the USA. The govmint agencies that manage that can ensure every immigrant has something they can offer this country, whether it's knowledge of rocket science, or an ability and willingness to take orders at McDonalds. As for temporary foreign workers, they should never take a job that a qualified citizen is willing to fill.

Donald Trump is certainly a colorful individual. I had a boss once who was very loud, told lewd jokes, and did a lot of other things I didn't particularly care for. He claimed to be a Christian, too. Despite everything I didn't like about him, I remember him fondly.
 
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