Abraham Accords and the “Golden Age”

[Margery]

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The virtue signaling is a bore at this point and it's a shame seeing it infect Christians.

I don't see virtue signalling going on here. Just different points of view. Even within the body of Christ- Jews, Gentiles, Americans, other countries we come from many backgrounds with many different points of view.

Russian Christians for example have a very different view of things than American Christians.

But both are saved.

Yet they might see their nations with very different eyes. Still saved. Very different pov.

I sometimes feel a huge cultural divide as a Christian from Canada when American Christians talk politics as part of their faith. I KNOW they don't worship Trump, but every once in a while it can feel like the best Christians in America have to be Republicans. Or have to support Trump no matter what.

It also feels sometimes that if I as a Canadian Christian was to truly live out my faith as a Christian I would leave Canada because it has evil laws like MAID. Like how on earth can I remain and support a govt as socialist as Canada is? (that could be said of a Russian in Russia under the communists or a Chinese Christian who wants to stay in China and remain Chinese). Just because the govt is evil, doesn't mean that we don't love our country and pray for it, and for our leaders (even if they are named Trudeau!!!)

I hear the criticisms of Canada- some of them are quite freely given- and when they are fair, I agree with the critics. When they aren't I either point out the truth or just hold my peace because it's not worth the argument.

I try hard to listen because there is truth in the criticism often times. This is the problem when people only listen to "their" news outlets. Fox vs MSNBC for instance. Dismissing the other side's news outlets as biased. Which they are. On both sides. There is a deep divide going on in American politics separating right and left wing ideology, and it's more than politics, it divides news sources, legal cases, social causes, families and it seems to be getting wider as time goes on. Less common ground, more division. Whose side are you on?

I like Joshua's response. He asked the Angel of the Lord, a pre incarnate Jesus whose side He was on, the answer was NEITHER and Joshua pretty quickly decided to fall down and worship the Lord. He was on the Lord's side. The Lord wasn't on Joshua's side.

That's an important distinction when we are taking sides in anything. Be on neither "side" but be on the LORD's side. Sometimes that aligns with Trump, or even Carney, sometimes it doesn't. Align with the Lord.

Don't be afraid of critics.

Sometimes the most important thing you can do is to listen to your critics. Those on the opposite side of the aisle politically, or those who aren't in the group. The outsiders. When we get to living in an echo chamber and everyone agrees with our point of view, we are in danger of not hearing warnings that we need.

I'm reading Jeremiah right now. He was sent by God to speak to a people who thought that because they had the Temple, God would automatically protect them. Jeremiah was warning them as loudly and clearly as he possibly could so they dumped him down a well to die and the king cut his scrolls up and burnt them. The people were listening to their own echo chamber.

The prophet from God was warning them but they were sure they knew that God was turning a blind eye to their sins. God would overlook it surely, He would always defend them, they had the TEMPLE in their midst. That was how they thought. God was on their side. They weren't on GOD'S SIDE! They would pay dearly for that.

Echo chambers are a real problem. That is why I try to listen to people who don't share my views to keep my views grounded in reality. It's by providing my own internal counterpoint that I strengthen my position and avoid the echo chamber trap.

I'm a Christian in Canada like German Christians are in Germany or Russian Christians are in Russia. We love our countries, but don't agree with everything our leaders do.

I think there has to be room to disagree with some of Trump's policies and decisions while upholding him in prayer, and being thankful for him as a President.

 

[1LoverofGod]

Cheeky,, forgive me.............but you are a first-generation citizen? Born to people who immigrated here both legally and illegally?
Do you not realize you are the epitome of who the president and ice are rounding up and detaining or sending away? There is no "citizenship by birth" anymore, according to DJT...........excluding his family members and himself, of course. To be honest, almost all of us are here because our ancestors at some point came here from other countries (and bore children)............some legally and many not. Based on that, many, many, many of us are not "citizens by birth". Your dad went to prison? Watch out...........they could come for you down the line. Mine came from Irelamd and Germany......I'm on the list, too.

To take it a step further.......... think of the Native Americans........this land was "theirs". North America and Canada's boundaries were populated by
many, many tribes that fished the rivers and lakes, and hunted the land from the Atlantic to the Pacific. The pilgrims arrived - as IMMIGRANTS -
from Europe, and promptly declared that land "theirs" - pushing the Indians farther and farther west, until there was nothing left to do but to round them up and put them on reservations (detention camps) on the most barren lands available. Then they stole the Indian children and took them to harsh and deadly schools to be educated in English where many of them died. We still have Indians living on reservations in abject poverty!! What gave US the right to do that when we were the immigrants?? I don't see the people coming here - especially the Mexicans - now trying to take over "our" country.........do you? It seems that once again we have not learned a thing from our past history...........so we are doomed to repeat it. And, it will be repeated again and again until none of us will be safe. Well, except for the politicians and very rich folks.

And, don't give me the words "it's against the law" .............. Who's law? Man's law or God's law?
When God sent the prophets to Israel to guide the people, of course the people demanded a king, God was not happy about providing a king,
but He gave the people their king to shut them up. How did that work out?? King Saul was a disaster...........David had his faults, too..........and on and on. Why? It was a human government that became more and more devoid of God's leading. And, so it has continued down thru the centuries, becoming more and more corrupt as we go. Except it's not just Israel - it's the governments of the globe! The tower of babel is back, with mankind over-riding God's law with their own. In essence saying, we will be not only be equal with God but we will surpass Him.

God taught us thru the old testament to care for one another, regardless of nationality, creed, etc. And, Jesus taught us to "love one another" and
to walk uprightly with God. Remember the story of the Good Samaritan? He helped a man in dire need - a man of another nationality in a strange place - without any thought to that man "taking" the money he paid for housing and care, or as we today would say "stealing our jobs"??
Wow, we've come a long way, haven't we?

One last point................. we seem to be so intent on punishing people for coming here to work for a better life - just as our ancestors did legally or illegally - but we sure aren't going after the corporations and small business, and citizens who hire maids, landscapers, au pairs, etc. who have been hiring these "illegal undesirables" have we?? We'll apply the "law" to only one side of the equation...........right? If Trump wanted to do it right, he would do the hard work of sending ICE after the aliens that are drug-dealers, murderers, rapists, child traffickers, gang members, convicts and trouble makers....... not the good people who contribute to our land and have been doing so for generations. Doing the jobs that we and our kids and grandkids would never "lower ourselves" to do.

It makes me sick to think that we - as Christians - and as people who have the same background of being "illegal immigrants" can have the gall to
think we are different or better than our brothers who live among us.........who like us, have been and are just trying to build a better life for their families. God created each and every one of us and NO ONE is better or more valuable than another.

It is truly going to be very, very interesting to see where this all ends up and how many of us will still be standing when all is said and done.
Please don't think you are exempt.........none of us are.

Precious sister. Certainly this world is full of unfairness and injustice.
We know from the history of fallen man that we cannot govern ourselves nor can any human govern over us in the same Just manner that God can.
But, because of man's rebellion against God, He allowed man to do for himself to allow us to realize we need God to lead us.
While God let man have it his way which would only lead from one failure to another, God also made provision for our Savior in Jesus to bring back what man lost with Him as our King to govern over us in righteousness. No fallen human will ever provide real justice and assurance.
God knows. God sees. God has grieved for us watching us fail time and again with bad repercussions, but God gave us Jesus to be our Open Door in Jesus to make all things New.
Take the focus off of this broken world and reflect on what Jesus has done to fix the broken way of life that we as humans brought upon ourselves with the fall of man and carried through sin to generations up to this day.
Jesus tore down the separation between man and God for believers, and we have a glorious promise waiting for us.
The best part is our waiting is so much less than it was for those who waited thousands of years ago. When we see the terrible things happening around us we can look up because Jesus is coming soon.
Remember Jesus' words of comfort:

"These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.”
John 16:33

"Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me.
2 In My Father’s house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also"
John 14:1-3

I so understand your frustration
I encourage you to embrace God's Loving Peace and know that this broken messed up world we live in is temporary and not our home.
Our citizenship is in Heaven and after we go Home to be with our Bridegroom, we will come back with Him to reign with Him in God's Kingdom.
I pray these promises from God help comfort you.
Much love to you in Christ sister

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

Or that if I as a Canadian Christian was to truly live out my faith as a Christian I would leave Canada because it has evil laws like MAID..

By this reasoning, I would have to leave Minnesota because of the abortion, FGM, and LGBTQABCXYZ laws and policies here.

However, here is where God has planted me, at least for the time being, to be salt and light and do my tiny little part in The Great Commission

This fallen world is evil everywhere. Some places are worse than others, but it's primarily because of the absence of Jewish people and Christians. Where The Holy Ghost and Word of God are absent, evil flourishes without restraint and is palpable to all of the senses and to a Christian's soul. The more evil the place, the more a Christian's salt and light stand out, because the magnitude of difference is greater, so God gets and will get more glory in what He does. In such places, a Christian's example of salt and light, which reflect attributes of God, and his or her participation in The Great Commission, no matter how small, bring a huge blessing, simply because each new piece of salt, each new light, and each new habitation of The Holy Ghost is another noticeable, unique reflection of the glory of God. In such places, the Church and individual Christians are greatly blessed and get stronger because the faith muscle is constantly exercised


10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 5:10-16, KJV

16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Matthew 28:16-20, KJV

 

[Cheeky200386]

I don't see virtue signalling going on here. Just different points of view. Even within the body of Christ- Jews, Gentiles, Americans, other countries we come from many backgrounds with many different points of view.

Russian Christians for example have a very different view of things than American Christians.

But both are saved.

Yet they might see their nations with very different eyes. Still saved. Very different pov.

I sometimes feel a huge cultural divide as a Christian from Canada when American Christians talk politics as part of their faith. I KNOW they don't worship Trump, but every once in a while it can feel like the best Christians in America have to be Republicans. Or have to support Trump no matter what.

It also feels sometimes that if I as a Canadian Christian was to truly live out my faith as a Christian I would leave Canada because it has evil laws like MAID. Like how on earth can I remain and support a govt as socialist as Canada is? (that could be said of a Russian in Russia under the communists or a Chinese Christian who wants to stay in China and remain Chinese). Just because the govt is evil, doesn't mean that we don't love our country and pray for it, and for our leaders (even if they are named Trudeau!!!)

I hear the criticisms of Canada- some of them are quite freely given- and when they are fair, I agree with the critics. When they aren't I either point out the truth or just hold my peace because it's not worth the argument.

I try hard to listen because there is truth in the criticism often times. This is the problem when people only listen to "their" news outlets. Fox vs MSNBC for instance. Dismissing the other side's news outlets as biased. Which they are. On both sides. There is a deep divide going on in American politics separating right and left wing ideology, and it's more than politics, it divides news sources, legal cases, social causes, families and it seems to be getting wider as time goes on. Less common ground, more division. Whose side are you on?

I like Joshua's response. He asked the Angel of the Lord, a pre incarnate Jesus whose side He was on, the answer was NEITHER and Joshua pretty quickly decided to fall down and worship the Lord. He was on the Lord's side. The Lord wasn't on Joshua's side.

That's an important distinction when we are taking sides in anything. Be on neither "side" but be on the LORD's side. Sometimes that aligns with Trump, or even Carney, sometimes it doesn't. Align with the Lord.

Don't be afraid of critics.

Sometimes the most important thing you can do is to listen to your critics. Those on the opposite side of the aisle politically, or those who aren't in the group. The outsiders. When we get to living in an echo chamber and everyone agrees with our point of view, we are in danger of not hearing warnings that we need.

I'm reading Jeremiah right now. He was sent by God to speak to a people who thought that because they had the Temple, God would automatically protect them. Jeremiah was warning them as loudly and clearly as he possibly could so they dumped him down a well to die and the king cut his scrolls up and burnt them. The people were listening to their own echo chamber.

The prophet from God was warning them but they were sure they knew that God was turning a blind eye to their sins. God would overlook it surely, He would always defend them, they had the TEMPLE in their midst. That was how they thought. God was on their side. They weren't on GOD'S SIDE! They would pay dearly for that.

Echo chambers are a real problem. That is why I try to listen to people who don't share my views to keep my views grounded in reality. It's by providing my own internal counterpoint that I strengthen my position and avoid the echo chamber trap.

I'm a Christian in Canada like German Christians are in Germany or Russian Christians are in Russia. We love our countries, but don't agree with everything our leaders do.

I think there has to be room to disagree with some of Trump's policies and decisions while upholding him in prayer, and being thankful for him as a President.

Maybe not virtue signaling but it seems like empathy being warped by the media.

I definitely didn’t comment because I am a Trump fan. I question his salvation, hate that he is pro lgbt, and have been and am still suspicious of him. Funny enough, I tend to agree more with posts that TCC makes that Trump could be a globalist plant but who knows. I did vote for him because Harris was just not an option and he seems friendly towards Christians. I completely agree with the criticism he gets around Canada, Israel, etc…

The hysteria around Trump packing up every single legal immigrant is extreme and frustrating to hear on here as well.

I appreciate @KMendel ’s concern which I believe is genuine. I can say that I literally never worry about ICE showing up at my door.

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

IF birthright citizenship is ever actually abolished in law, it will be extremely important to have a U.S. passport, or at least a passport card, in one's possession. No matter how someone ended up a citizen.

 

[Margery]

empathy being warped by the media.

IT IS!

We can and should treat people with compassion, view people as innocent till proven guilty, and quickly and compassionately remove illegals while supporting the due process rights of citizens that might be caught up in an ICE raid.

Because actual citizens have been caught in this process.

Which is why due process is important, and not for the sake of illegals, but for the sake of the US citizens who might be trapped accidentally.

I saw one young man, born in Texas to Hispanic parents, the mother was still in his life and he was born and raised in the State of Texas. He was caught, detained without legal counsel, no ability to let anyone know for a couple of days while his mother grew frantic. He offered proof of citizenship, birth certificate or drivers license, I can't remember what, but the agent refused to look at it. He was not given access to a phone or a lawyer. Eventually it got worked out. No apology given though. His mother btw had to hire an immigration lawyer if my memory serves, just to prove that he was an AMERICAN born citizen.

His advice, keep your cards and papers on you at all times. Let people know your travel plans and have some contact people that if you don't show up as planned, you have someone on the outside to hire an attorney and get the process started.

He looked and sounded Hispanic, his mother had a strong Mexican accent that he also shared and they both felt that was why he got taken. Profiling.

IF birthright citizenship is ever actually abolished in law, it will be extremely important to have a U.S. passport, or at least a passport card, in one's possession. No matter how someone ended up a citizen.

It probably is a good idea anyway, to make sure you have several pieces of ID that establish your citizenship if it ever comes into question. ICE agents operating in possibly life threatening (to them) situations, feeling overwhelmed, too much adrenaline might not be operating to the best standards of policing.

Might even save a person a trip to jail without benefit of a phone call or a lawyer or even spare a person an impromptu free plane ride to some South American country that they didn't want to visit that week.

When someone with a gun is yelling at you, it's best to comply and not argue your case with or without paperwork though.

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

IT IS!

His advice, keep your cards and papers on you at all times. Let people know your travel plans and have some contact people that if you don't show up as planned, you have someone on the outside to hire an attorney and get the process started.

He looked and sounded Hispanic, his mother had a strong Mexican accent that he also shared and they both felt that was why he got taken. Profiling.


It probably is a good idea anyway, to make sure you have several pieces of ID that establish your citizenship if it ever comes into question. ICE agents operating in possibly life threatening (to them) situations, feeling overwhelmed, too much adrenaline might not be operating to the best standards of policing.

Might even save a person a trip to jail without benefit of a phone call or a lawyer or even spare a person an impromptu free plane ride to some South American country that they didn't want to visit that week.

I wonder if people refusing MOB will be stripped of citizenship.
Or if taking MOB will be a condition to be a citizen of whatever it is during the Trib.
That would make everyone without MOB an illegal/undocumented (unmarked) person

No MOB, no due process, and no rights. That in addition to no buying or selling.

ALL the Federal (or whatever they'll be then) agencies will have a vested interest in catching the undocumented (without MOB) illegals.

Bet there's a bounty, too. Hungry people won't be so principled about not turning in strangers, then neighbors, then finally family members.

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

When someone with a gun is yelling at you, it's best to comply and not argue your case with or without paperwork though.

Especially if people are still firing weapons, fighting, screaming, running, or the situation is otherwise still not under control.

It's a LOT easier and painless for everyone to uncuff someone than unshoot someone

The calmer and more cooperative one is, the more likely the officer is to listen and take corrective action, say if one is having issues breathing or the handcuffs are too tight. The calmer and more cooperative one is, the easier to apply handcuffs properly, and the more likely one will be allowed to sit, instead of lie down. Much, much less uncomfortable sitting while cuffed than lying down while cuffed.

 

[Cheeky200386]

IT IS!

We can and should treat people with compassion, view people as innocent till proven guilty, and quickly and compassionately remove illegals while supporting the due process rights of citizens that might be caught up in an ICE raid.

Because actual citizens have been caught in this process.

Which is why due process is important, and not for the sake of illegals, but for the sake of the US citizens who might be trapped accidentally.

I saw one young man, born in Texas to Hispanic parents, the mother was still in his life and he was born and raised in the State of Texas. He was caught, detained without legal counsel, no ability to let anyone know for a couple of days while his mother grew frantic. He offered proof of citizenship, birth certificate or drivers license, I can't remember what, but the agent refused to look at it. He was not given access to a phone or a lawyer. Eventually it got worked out. No apology given though. His mother btw had to hire an immigration lawyer if my memory serves, just to prove that he was an AMERICAN born citizen.

His advice, keep your cards and papers on you at all times. Let people know your travel plans and have some contact people that if you don't show up as planned, you have someone on the outside to hire an attorney and get the process started.

He looked and sounded Hispanic, his mother had a strong Mexican accent that he also shared and they both felt that was why he got taken. Profiling.


It probably is a good idea anyway, to make sure you have several pieces of ID that establish your citizenship if it ever comes into question. ICE agents operating in possibly life threatening (to them) situations, feeling overwhelmed, too much adrenaline might not be operating to the best standards of policing.

Might even save a person a trip to jail without benefit of a phone call or a lawyer or even spare a person an impromptu free plane ride to some South American country that they didn't want to visit that week.

When someone with a gun is yelling at you, it's best to comply and not argue your case with or without paperwork though.

I believe that I personally won’t have to worry about carrying any papers up in the sticks of NH. If I see an ICE member, I will go up to him and thank him for his service and Mike would probably have a conversation with him about the crazy media stories making them out to be the villains. Mike went through that as a police officer during BLM so he can relate. All the hyper focus on corrupt cops but no mention of the honorable ones.

I will continue to have zero worry even when traveling to DR later this year with my family. If they doubt mine and my husband’s citizenship, we can just open our mouths and I imagine our heavy Boston/Northern accents may just give us away.

This next part is a general post, not specific to you Margery:

People living in states bordering Mexico probably should expect to be mixed up with illegals, but that’s not because of Trump, that’s all because of the evil of the previous administrations that left the border wide open.

In this case, I am glad with Trump’s approach and fully expect there will be some over zealous ICE agents because they are fallen people and prone to emotional reactions and sin. I won’t be throwing the baby out with the bath water in this scenario.

That would be like saying we need to dismantle the police because a few bad actors abuse citizens. It’s to be expected because corruption runs inside all of us and without the help of Jesus Christ it will grow unchecked.

Those individual ICE agents should be addressed but I don’t agree in shifting blame to Trump and using it to create fear. I imagine though that the Media is blowing the stories out of proportion and emphasizing them for the same reasons we saw with Trump’s last presidency.

 

[Amethyst]

Those individual ICE agents should be addressed but I don’t agree in shifting blame to Trump and using it to create fear. I imagine though that the Media is blowing the stories out of proportion and emphasizing them for the same reasons we saw with Trump’s last presidency.

The hysteria around Trump packing up every single legal immigrant is extreme and frustrating to hear on here as well.

Thanks for sharing your story.

As someone upthread said, there are plenty times Trump get called out for things here.

 

[Andy C]

I wonder if people refusing MOB will be stripped of citizenship.

Thankfully, that’s not something a Christian has to worry about…..We will be long gone by then!!!!!!

 

[Hol]

I don’t agree in shifting blame to Trump and using it to create fear. I imagine though that the Media is blowing the stories out of proportion and emphasizing them for the same reasons we saw with Trump’s last presidency.

What I am trying to understand is why my sisters in Jesus @KMendel and @Margery, etc. seem so triggered regarding President Trump? Why the personal besmirching? I can imagine him getting a tongue lashing if he encountered them.

Let me substitute RFK Jr. There are things many of us love that he’s doing and things we disagree with, but as Christians we know we can’t put our trust in him. I don’t put my trust in Trump so if he disappoints it doesn’t trigger me and I can’t imagine disparaging RFK Jr. or Trump.

I became a Christian just as Obama was elected, and as a dopey baby Christian voted for him (once). A church I attended for a short time were almost cult like in their united hatred for him. It spilled over on me, plus they hated two types of immigrants: legal & illegal. The Lord moved me to a better church. Anyhow, what on earth did Obama and immigration have to do with God redeeming us through Jesus?

Growing in God’s grace I have learned that borders are important, that rulers matter and how to conservatively view politics.

If I sense that I’m getting triggered by a political personality the Holy Spirit humbles me by pointing out how the Apostle Paul was never triggered by Nero. Imagine praying for Nero.

Okay, it’s only my 2-cents…

 

[Cheeky200386]

What I am trying to understand is why my sisters in Jesus @KMendel and @Margery, etc. seem so triggered regarding President Trump? Why the personal besmirching? I can imagine him getting a tongue lashing if he encountered them.

Let me substitute RFK Jr. There are things many of us love that he’s doing and things we disagree with, but as Christians we know we can’t put our trust in him. I don’t put my trust in Trump so if he disappoints it doesn’t trigger me and I can’t imagine disparaging RFK Jr. or Trump.

I became a Christian just as Obama was elected, and as a dopey baby Christian voted for him (once). A church I attended for a short time were almost cult like in their united hatred for him. It spilled over on me, plus they hated two types of immigrants: legal & illegal. The Lord moved me to a better church. Anyhow, what on earth did Obama and immigration have to do with God redeeming us through Jesus?

Growing in God’s grace I have learned that borders are important, that rulers matter and how to conservatively view politics.

If I sense that I’m getting triggered by a political personality the Holy Spirit humbles me by pointing out how the Apostle Paul was never triggered by Nero. Imagine praying for Nero.

Okay, it’s only my 2-cents…

To be fair, I can understand Margery's possible struggle because Trump's actions have negatively impacted her country of Canada this year. Seeing the country, you've known as your Earthly home go down a dark path is painful. It reminds me of Trump's first term. Seeing the sheer hatred and lunacy of the left was disturbing and I grieved for a long time accepting that the USA has rejected God.

 

[TCC]

Maybe not virtue signaling but it seems like empathy being warped by the media.

I definitely didn’t comment because I am a Trump fan. I question his salvation, hate that he is pro lgbt, and have been and am still suspicious of him. Funny enough, I tend to agree more with posts that TCC makes that Trump could be a globalist plant but who knows. I did vote for him because Harris was just not an option and he seems friendly towards Christians. I completely agree with the criticism he gets around Canada, Israel, etc…

The hysteria around Trump packing up every single legal immigrant is extreme and frustrating to hear on here as well.

I appreciate @KMendel ’s concern which I believe is genuine. I can say that I literally never worry about ICE showing up at my door.

For the majority of time I have been here on this forum Cheeky, actually my posts tend to disproprtionately support alot of what Trump is doing. And in semi-rare cases express my eschatological leanings in relation to him. In my end time views I tend to see Trump as actually a force for good (at least according to perhaps colloquial standards and concepts of how that might parse out--or even perhaps in ways relating to worldly standards). In that, I would not see Trump as a general contribution to good governance direction. I would see him as a legendary force. Not in the sense of how some might tought overly positive gestures towards the man. But as something massively surpassing that. Like if we took the overly sappy pollyannish views of some and added steroids to it. Like that level of force.

And since I know I do that eschatologically, there is really not a lot of sound and well balanced places for me to go to sort any of that out. Which kind of leaves me to have to keep my own self to account. One way I hold my self accountable for my own outlandish views concerning Trump is to honestly be equally open to contrary thought upon him, sincerely. In that sense, I feel I need to play my own devils advocate. Because there are no places where my views can be reasonably sorted out.

Therefore keeping an open mind and heart toward the possibility of Trump being quite the contrary to my own estimates, for me, is crucial. Lest I be perhaps too influenced by my own half baked biases. It is in that sense I honestly do consider if Trump might be an entity to usher in far more darkness on the wings of more personally cherished ideologies we otherwise might esteem about the man. So, yes, it is true, on one hand I do wonder if he is some lead in a Luciferian Light brigade. An antithesis for the purpose of becoming the NWO with a happy face (much like fascism is socialism with a happy human face--seemingly more personal).

Generally I see the Luciferian Light NWO replacement theory as a manufactured (almost new age) church construction by which to feel, "in the know." But it be mostly hallucination at the end of the day. But even where I would be most opposed to such a view (even to the point of considering such views on par with gnostic thoughts the church may have likely adopted), there are things Trump leans toward at times that does have me scratching my head wondering...lol.

For example, I think the best one is vaccinating chickens. After everything we have been through with COVID. After Trump knowing the hype. After seeing what Big Pharma did with the vaccines, he still has the gaul to want to vaccinate chickens with questionable mRNA vaccine technology? Wanting to pollute the poultry market with dirty medicine? When the USA has been against vaccinated meat standards? I understand Trump ego wanting to think his warp speed was some world hero. Even though it enabled bad pharma to make huge money off of experimenting with (even poisoning) the population? I can understand Trump being led by his sense of self gandour not to even be aware his warp-speed killed and maimed people. But to have 0% of caution after the fact, and push those same chemicals into massive USA food supply to me is criminal negligence. Regardless how much narcissism might be used as an excuse.

It would be no stretch to consider globalists to find bird flue chickens and supply each farm with 1 so the whole batch be slaughtered (a way to get us used to not eating so much meat). In addition, the damage that would do to the economy in general. So I understand wanting to counter that with vaccinating chickens. It's just a sad state of affairs that the only way to offset globalists removals of American meat markets would be to resort to mNRA vaccines (also a tool the deep state has used). When it reaches this level of solution, at some point it just does not seem to matter anymore. Then there is "no" good solution. When we get to that point, it just feels like like the culture has been hollowed out and we are just putting lipstick on a pig. So maybe we are so far gone that even solutions are just more implosion. And we just become one big pile of implosion. lol.

I can undertand Trump knowing what big pharma might do with COVID. I could understand that if opening up world markets with fake vaccination is better than global reset in the aftermath of world economic collapse. I get that. But in that, so is it fair then to say that the way to keep globalism from forcing us to eat bugs is to champion vaccinating our meat? I mean, wow, how much of this sloppy primordial stew medicine does "saving the world" have to look like? Maybe it is for us to beg for unvaccinated bugs to eat instead? lol. The logic is too far off, for me, not to have concern in what fashion Trump represents to the US and the world. It may be that what is slated for our hour is the only kind of hero our world (maturing over the centuries in sin) could produce.

But I tend to consider in God's Providence there is far far far more to that story. Which is why in general I would see Trump to inadvertently be caught up in the groundswell of what God is doing in our age (more than the devil). And that might be only seeable through the extreme frailty that comes with what being a hero might actually present as in 2025. In general my sense is that it is much more likely that God shows up more these days than the devil (not a popular view in sober evangelical circles). An example of this is while so many are fearing WW3, I am quite certain not. I don't believe we will go there. Quite the contrary actually. And though that is a gamble of a thought, it seems to so hold true. We shall see. But I use that as an example. A time of American power, Israeli peace and safety, and likely the rapture bang zone. WW3 would be for the 70th weekers. Not the age of grace housing the children of the day till rapture. In wanting to end it on a positive note, lol, this is what I mean by God showing up more than the devil. If that makes sense? Blessings.

 

[KMendel]

I am not pro-Trump or Anti-Trump. I was not pro-Biden nor Anti-Biden. I was not pro-Obama nor Anti-Obama.
I'm pro-Jesus.............

 

[Tall Timbers]

I am not pro-Trump or Anti-Trump. I was not pro-Biden nor Anti-Biden. I was not pro-Obama nor Anti-Obama.
I'm pro-Jesus.............

I love my Savior. I like our current President because I am supportive of much (not all) that he is trying to do.

 

[Cheeky200386]

I love my Savior. I like our current President because I am supportive of much (not all) that he is trying to do.

Same here.

 

[Andiamo]

When it comes to the deportations, what about the fact that malicious compliance is most likely going on? Among ICE members who hate Trump.
Here is a post where Adrian was explaining this to me.
Post in thread 'In a significant bind and need prayers'
https://christiancommunityforum.com/threads/in-a-significant-bind-and-need-prayers.10532/post-149639

 

[Andiamo]

I agree that not every single negative outcome should be deflected (projected? Whatever, I’m tired) directly on to Pres Trump. The largely liberal, bought-out news media uses that as a tactic.

The man is certainly not perfect and he is trying to deal with messes of epic proportions.
It is fair to say that things will not go perfectly.