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Trump Threatens Musk’s Contracts, Musk Hits Back With Epstein Files

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Elon Musk and Donald Trump started hurling insults at each other on Thursday after the president’s former ally attacked the bill containing his entire legislative agenda.

“Elon was ‘wearing thin,’ I asked him to leave, I took away his EV Mandate that forced everyone to buy Electric Cars that nobody else wanted (that he knew for months I was going to do!), and he just went CRAZY!” Trump wrote on Truth Social.


In a follow-up post, Trump appeared to float the idea of eliminating Musk’s federal contracts, writing, “The easiest way to save money in our Budget, Billions and Billions of Dollars, is to terminate Elon’s Governmental Subsidies and Contracts. I was always surprised that Biden didn’t do it!”

Musk shot down Trump’s assertion that the Tesla CEO was wearing out his welcome, writing on X, “Such an obvious lie. So sad.” He then took the argument in a far more sordid direction, invoking the Jeffrey Epstein files:

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Every once in a while this happens to me. I just can’t get over this feeling that I’m watching theater. And I begin to doubt that Trump really is who he has portrayed himself to be.
Like is he really this volatile? Or is all of this some designed distraction as we hurtle toward the OWG?
I’m thinking that it’s both, and satan is the puppet master.
 
Not very Presidential or CEOesque...
But we knew this going in...at least in reference to his vindictiveness. In the last year of 45, I was kind of understanding of the Lincoln Project. Trump has a cruel streak. Not so diplomatic. If referring to Epstein. I don't believe Trump went to the island. So I guess we will see. If it comes out that Trump is a child abuser, MAGA won't support him. Biggest crash and burn ever i would imagine. But to me this just seem like theater to distract. Likely because something big is in play. But i have been thinking that for years...lol. So it could just be that Trump is not all that easy to deal with. And Elon either.

At the end of the day though, I would be surprised if Trump went to that Island. But if he did and there is sound proof, for me, it would matter little else what he might be. Its kind of a honeymoon deal breaker for me at that point. Blessings.
 
I fault them both equally, Elon shouldn’t have ended a praise worthy service to this nation in such a way. He has sullied his time at DOGE.

Trump should have let this slide as Elon was on the way out. They could have had a departure ceremony, but how is that possible now.

At their age, both have not handled it well.
 
I fault them both equally, Elon shouldn’t have ended a praise worthy service to this nation in such a way. He has sullied his time at DOGE.

Trump should have let this slide as Elon was on the way out. They could have had a departure ceremony, but how is that possible now.

At their age, both have not handled it well.
That's what makes this to me look like theater though. I think Elon was contracted for 100 days and that is it. It seems like too great an opportunity that if it has drama...it would seem as scheduled as his 100 days would end. I will say this, Trump is like that. He will take a flame thrower to your face. Then take you out for dinner...lol. But as far as optics, you guys, in general...there is the Trump we see. The Trump we know and love. The Trump we know and don't love so much. But from honest evaluations going on 10 years with extreme interest (not to worship) to understand his political game theory...this man, in my estimation, is a generation ahead. Like he is using cell phones during the dialer age. His optics from what i have seen are far beyond what we get emotionally. Meaning...the way he strategizes so encompasses the image we see of him it becomes difficult to know if this is just a cry baby or 8 year old genius (12 year old genius of sorts in an old mans body). With even our realizing this factored in optically. Something about him. I think he is alien from another planet...lol. But that is a whole different thread :p But i also think as TT noted, I believe Trumps wants us to think how undiplomatic. In some ways, i think he insists on it, don't he? lol Blessings
 
This is what happens when you put two mega-narcicists in the same room........... let alone when both have this much power.
It's never pretty..............
Great point Mendel :) Some how equalizes them both as 3rd graders fighting for the eraser and chalk board. If its real, to me its kind of adorable. I would rather have this in the real than nice speak with a death syrup vaccine while the nurses just smile.
 
my sis made a point tonight- "why didnt musk bring this out before? ... oh, because it wouldnt benefit himself back then. instead he held it back until now, when it might benefit him."

I just can’t get over this feeling that I’m watching theater. And I begin to doubt that Trump really is who he has portrayed himself to be.
is all of this some designed distraction as we hurtle toward the OWG?

same thoughts here. i think i abandoned a thread where everyone thought the opposite of what youre saying. glad to see this thread in a different direction than that.
 
my sis made a point tonight- "why didnt musk bring this out before? ... oh, because it wouldnt benefit himself back then. instead he held it back until now, when it might benefit him."




same thoughts here. i think i abandoned a thread where everyone thought the opposite of what youre saying. glad to see this thread in a different direction than that.
As far as Andiamo's comments...this is what i was alluding to in other areas. Where some see all this as just one big show and we are all suckers. I don't subscribe to that view. But I do consider what flavor this age might be unrolling as. Could it all be deception? Some think so. I go quite the other way...lol. But thank you @Andiamo for voicing that. It is wise to keep one eye open on that in case, because there is quite a bit of intel and history that just plain ol' looks really bad.

@janeelaine If this video is permissible in our forum (its clean its just so not MSM), the way I lean on that sort of thing you quoted @Andiamo in is portrayed brilliantly (I believe) in the under 30 minute video (which for this content creator is extremely short--he normally does 2 to 3 hour videos regularly). This content creator, to me, is the best honest counter Trump consideration (aside from Jimmy Dore), i think out there. High quality observations. Predicted COVID shut downs before they happened (purely by ear to the ground research). To me this youtube channel is invaluable. And a sober breath of fresh air from perhaps everything else we might be thinking.

So @janeelaine, you might like some of his videos. He is not new age. Likely a secular Christian. But his political observations are really good to consider. He is not into end times. And 90% of his takes check out. 10% not--only because i'm looking for rather different things and see 10% in an entirely different context. This is a recent video on the exact topic of this thread. If I were president of the USA, I agree with about 65% of his views. But I would have him in my cabinet for sure. Every good cultural puzzle piece helps :)


Really appreciate you checking out my thread :)
 
plus it was conducted over twitter or whatever. can ya scream "Idiocracy" ? lol
Exactly. But that's what makes me think its theater. To me, Trump is kind of next generation smooth. If we were to feed this recent estrangement into a political science AI algorithm, I would be surprised if at least one observable consideration was not: "This could be a way of how to bring the Epstein files into more popular view. And possibly how to make opening those files serve a more awake society. And how to, by political optic, have those files opened by Trump admin, if now--not Trump himself. While having the social clout to not be blamed for it--in the public eye. Because what that stunt could provide is future social protection from the "lynch Trump" ideas that would surely surface. Because Bad faith players will turn the tables to the best of their ability, and attempt to inflame society against Trump for opening the files. Regardless, bad faith players wont care if its because Trump tries to exonerate himself by so doing or to distract, or even to go after them. All bad faith players would be able to see is "get Trump." Bad faith players won't offer a courtroom of justice. But public opinion of Trump, then will matter.

So one way to consider this childish fan fair event is that it has the potential to peal away bad faith players ability and security from the fanning of a social flame. Because society will remember this skirmish. And bad faith players not be able to hold a cloud of distrust over Trump. For to us, it would make sense if Trump wanted everyone to see that his place in those files is neglibable. Like saying, "Whatever you do, don't open that door." Precisely because you want them to. Even more, maybe a scheme to have bad faith players open it to get Trump. I don't think the bad faith players are that stupid though. lol. But would be pretty amazing to watch.

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It's thoughts like the above that lead me to spend time on the youtube channel i posted just above this post in reply to you. Because I believe it is helpful to see as many sides as we can. And that video serve as potential insights into the potentially darker sides of Trump. Which in respect of your visit to the thread, I believe that video will track well with some of your concerns. But yeah it could just be a food fight of the titans. lol.

But I'm mixed in my feelings those files will never come out. In some ways what that youtube channel says about those files never coming out are profound likely. Our world has kept much from us. And we have gotten used to a lot of talk and the same ol same ol. Keeping it real by watching that channel. Blessings.
 
This is a 10 minute video of a youtube veteran i have grown to love for almost a decade now. With a quarter of a million followers she always makes some great content. I don't always agree, but as of the time of this posting, she has so far 20k views, and posted it herself just 6 hours ago. Has a pretty solid following because she probes to question along with us. With some very thoughtful insights.

This is another perspective I would have been about (and was some 8 years ago--had i not detoured from mainstream evangelical end times views). This content creator sells a Deep State Encyclopedia she put together. She brings up several good points regarding this latest Musk/Trump drama. For example, she details Peter Tiel's power grab amidst the backdrop of this likely distracting drama. Also notes it would seem Trump avoiding comments on Ukraine/Russia recent huge news, but has time to fight with Elon. And equally or better observations along the way. Blessings.

 
I think it is simply two powerful self-made public figures with huge egos, each used to getting their own way, and one of whom is on the autism spectrum. Nothing more than that.

It may be theater for us, but I do not believe it is some cosmic plan. Nevertheless, there is no doubt in my mind that their actions are playing into the end-times scenario that God controls. So we don't need to worry about it. Our focus should be on doing what it is God has called us to do at this time in history. Corporately, that is to spread the gospel to everyone on this planet. (And we can each do a small part of that and support others whose called ministry it is.) Individually, it is to do what God has laid on your heart to do.
 
Much discussion on FB among my conservative friends that we are watching theater. Today's scene was Trump posting that " We all know that was a Nazi salute that Elon did. Everyone knows that."

And the belief is T and E are sitting back laughing at it all. We shall see.
 
I think it is simply two powerful self-made public figures with huge egos, each used to getting their own way, and one of whom is on the autism spectrum. Nothing more than that.

It may be theater for us, but I do not believe it is some cosmic plan. Nevertheless, there is no doubt in my mind that their actions are playing into the end-times scenario that God controls. So we don't need to worry about it. Our focus should be on doing what it is God has called us to do at this time in history. Corporately, that is to spread the gospel to everyone on this planet. (And we can each do a small part of that and support others whose called ministry it is.) Individually, it is to do what God has laid on your heart to do.
As the dust clears it would seem Elon is calming down. I would say you are accurate pastor. A time where its still hurts Elon to lose tax credits even though he knew things would go that way. It hurts more to see one's bottom line dissolve a bit. One conservative news clip from alt right media is a vintage YouTube channel I have liked for almost a decade. One of the few, for a time, I actually gave through patrion.

One of the original concerns though I had with this channel is the tendency to ramble and be all over the place (something some in the forum might have thought I would be right at home with...lol...but nope...lol...I think very exacting flow in research...at least in terms as how I might approach--granted my delivery could always use improvement, amen). But now this channel, in the notes section, provides a timestamp table of contents for all his videos now. Which helps get a quick take on the news covered in that video. This video is 17 minutes long. But does echo this recent fall out between Trump and Musk as nothing more than a spat. Although, as the researcher he is, of course there is a bonus to that sentiment in this video capture.


As for focus on the gospel, amen Although I like too your understanding that sociopolitical trends can well play into how end time-esque like vibes along the way might develop or fit into some larger streaming trajectory. As for me, pitstop moments like this can provide opportunity to consider other forms of socio-political architecture. And although on some levels it would certainly qualify as distraction to an extent, amen, it can provide reality checks along the way to (sometimes in things not so easily considered). As well as opportunities for discussion consideration on areas of forum disagreement.

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Having said that, yeah, pastor I would have to agree that we can tend to see too much into things. A great sober reminder. As Elon on the autism spectrum, mine would be on the Outer Limits spectrum...lol. So there is all kinds and manner of need for drop of the hat reel-ins, amen. What charms my heart about the whole thing would actually be reasons socio-political play likely have 0 place in this particular instance would be the following: The awesome beauty inherent in the organic moment. That although we tend to see so much how this or that links together, what is a central ingredient seemingly in end time structure is: Regardlss how we might think things look and fit this puzzle piece or that puzzle piece, in God's awesome creation of truly granting mankind free will and yet He lose no sleep over where all that could go, the beauty of people being people and things happening truly by the happenstance of the human heart is still so very much alive (even a general theme) in a day and age where our hearts are otherwise gravitating toward scripting scenarios to fit a thesis. Just the simple beauty of that in our day, truly does echo through even His fallen creation, the great I AMness in Him. A living testimony very much alive and paraded even as much as the shaping of developments along the way. A precious quality of our creator. And quite an exciting dynamic to live and see that lived out as well among the land of the living. Amen. Blessings.
 
Much discussion on FB among my conservative friends that we are watching theater. Today's scene was Trump posting that " We all know that was a Nazi salute that Elon did. Everyone knows that."

And the belief is T and E are sitting back laughing at it all. We shall see.
I would have loved to have seen that from Trump. lol. That would have brought a whole new level of appreciation. Although, the left would turn something fun hearted like that into 20 weeks of how Trump hired a Nazi because secretly he is one. So for that reason, glad he did not. Ummm...that was just a meme though, right? lol

All in all, this reminded me of when Elon wanted to buy Twitter. Trump was dogging him in the media back then. At the time I thought it was just theater. Elon had been somewhat sided with the left in relation to the money he made off of carbon credits (his whole affiliation to the climate change hoax). Back then my sense and sources leaned toward Elon ending up in the Trump camp. And so he did. Gradually...lol.

But none of this is very clean. Like even though Elon moved to the right on steroids in some ways, he still never really addressed all that much the backdoor portal the government used in Twitter and Facebook to go after accounts they did not agree with. Even though it was in the Twitter files (giving Dr. Shiva an absolute heart attack). And then his support (and Trump too) of H1-B visas. There are so many elements that are not clean at all in the sense that Trump or Elon fit nicely into narratives. In some ways they do. And some think they most certainly do not. Almost like we cannot tell what to make of much of it.

Which to me does tend to beg the question: Could forming end times scenarios come so deeply from the dust of the earth organic, that it becomes almost impossible to make eschatological sense of it? Like part of the recipe actually be "its too close to home to see?" This is a theme that seems to emerge quite regularly. And if there is something to that, it would seem good and healthy to make peace with that. Which would shut down 90% of watcher trajectory...including mine. For that reason, likely a very very healthy consideration as to its apparent "superpower" presence in all we believe we are looking at in general.

Thanks Yoda for the backdrop scenery. Interesting and fun to consider as we go. :heart: Blessings.
 
This just makes me wonder what important stuff is being buried as everyone looks at this dog and pony show. Silliness. I know there was a financial report due out yesterday or today- maybe it will still make it out but if this is the Friday end of the week news cycle and it's still on stupidity - I don't imagine any serious news will surface, even if it should.
 
But we knew this going in...at least in reference to his vindictiveness. In the last year of 45, I was kind of understanding of the Lincoln Project. Trump has a cruel streak. Not so diplomatic. If referring to Epstein. I don't believe Trump went to the island. So I guess we will see. If it comes out that Trump is a child abuser, MAGA won't support him. Biggest crash and burn ever i would imagine. But to me this just seem like theater to distract. Likely because something big is in play. But i have been thinking that for years...lol. So it could just be that Trump is not all that easy to deal with. And Elon either.

At the end of the day though, I would be surprised if Trump went to that Island. But if he did and there is sound proof, for me, it would matter little else what he might be. Its kind of a honeymoon deal breaker for me at that point. Blessings.

This just makes me wonder what important stuff is being buried as everyone looks at this dog and pony show. Silliness. I know there was a financial report due out yesterday or today- maybe it will still make it out but if this is the Friday end of the week news cycle and it's still on stupidity - I don't imagine any serious news will surface, even if it should.
Just as i seen this post i just finished watching a britt gillette video about how japans economy is up the duff so to speak and the ripple on effect it will havr on the global economy.
 
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