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Titanic Submarine Disaster

Titanic discovery pioneer James Cameron discusses design flaws in Ocean Gate Titan. Cameron says implosion would have been a violent event equal to ten cases of dynamite exploding.

Proving my point everyone on scene knew what happened the very minute it happened. It would have been picked up by seismic sensors along with Sonic and sonar.

www.nytimes.com

‘Titanic’ Director James Cameron Points to Flaws in Titan Sub’s Design (Published 2023)

The “Titanic” director and diving expert said he’d had concerns from the start about the vehicle’s hull composition and claims about its network of hull sensors.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
 
Isn't it amazing how The Powers That Be play fast and loose with facts, boldly manipulating us and everyone else for their own perceived purposes? And today's media just toadies along with them? This world is certainly being set up for the anti-Christ. The deception is increasingly wide...and very, very, very deep.
 
3Nails4Given said:
He lied about Washington State University, Boeing, and NASA being involved in the design and build of Titan, which is fraudulent.
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Would be interested on the source for this. My quick research showed Washington State were involved with Cyclops1, and the company had a space act with NASA for carbon fiber development. I had not seen Boeing involved though.
 
bigMoose said:
Would be interested on the source for this. My quick research showed Washington State were involved with Cyclops1, and the company had a space act with NASA for carbon fiber development. I had not seen Boeing involved though.
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I read an article that stated these corporations quickly posted they were not involved in Titan’s design.

They are probably all involved in the design of materials that were used. But that doesn’t make them liable for their design materials being misused.

James Cameron who found the Titanic while doing research for the US Navy, said Titan was a bad design that was doomed to failure from cyclic action of repeated dives. Most likely micro fractures allowed moisture intrusion into the carbon fiber weakening it.

The repeated pressure exposure from multiple dives caused its failure.
 
3Nails4Given said:
I read an article that stated these corporations quickly posted they were not involved in Titan’s design.

They are probably all involved in the design of materials that were used. But that doesn’t make them liable for their design materials being misused.

James Cameron who found the Titanic while doing research for the US Navy, said Titan was a bad design that was doomed to failure from cyclic action of repeated dives. Most likely micro fractures allowed moisture intrusion into the carbon fiber weakening it.

The repeated pressure exposure from multiple dives caused its failure.
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would the passengers have been aware of the flawed design before they decided to board?
 
Can't help but notice how the TV news media focuses on this so extensively and barely gave any attention, in comparison, to the boat full of migrants that capsized off the coast of Greece about a week ago.
 
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Even if I was up for going down to the depths like that, (which I am not!) that ------seam------ in the hull would make me not want to board.
I can't believe it every time I see it. A ------seam------. I know nothing about any of this, but it sure doesn't SEEM right to have a SEAM. Nope.
 
3Nails4Given said:
I read an article that stated these corporations quickly posted they were not involved in Titan’s design.
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That makes a lot of sense... that they want to get clear of the coming lawsuits. It fits with what I read also, that they were involved with the predecessor (Cyclops1) but not this one. I have watched the available fabrication videos of the carbon fiber tube... and it leaves a lot to be desired in my opinion. First example, I have never heard of a structure that size that was not cured in an autoclave (with pressure and temperature) to eliminate voids in the matrix. Every mission critical part I've heard of got 100% ultrasonic inspection for voids. None were allowed. Also the basic design in Titan put the carbon fiber in compression. Most every aerospace failure of carbon fiber has the failure located in the compression area of the member and not the tension areas. If that tube started to deform, physics says it "runs away with itself." There are no normalizing forces. It deforms like a toothpaste tube and the carbon tube pulls out of the titanium end bells where they were so "expertly" glued in. Very strange design. Very sad outcome. I used to preach: "The safest mission is a nominal mission, a nominal mission is a successful mission. Mission success depends upon safety."
 
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In the submersible article in the Wikipedia link it explains Titan 1s first carbon fiber hull failed after a few dives and was replaced in 2021.

What would cause anyone to believe that Titan 1s replacement hull was any safer? Especially after reading Stockton purchased the out of date carbon fiber from Boeing at a reduced cost because they were unloading it because of expired shelf life.

If it was expired for aircraft use it should have certainly been expired for deep dive submersible use.

James Cameron told them it wouldn’t fail on its first dive it would fail after multiple dives. It was on its 20th dive.

I will wager if there is any safety inspection of any hull remnants they will find evidence of micro fractures or de-lamination in the carbon fiber. Steel hulls have an allowable elasticity, I would think that carbon fiber would develop micro fractures from the cyclic action of repetitive dives.

Plus Certified vessels are hydrostatically tested without humans inside. If a certified vessel doesn’t pass hydro testing it is destroyed.
 
mattfivefour said:
@3Nails4Given, we sure appreciate your expertise in this, brother.
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I spent a good deal of time working on steam pressure vessels and the steel they’re made of. Just have some knowledge of pressure vessels that have life safety implications.

My boss was a Navy submarine mechanic. One of my former coworkers was a nuclear submarine sailor. We live about a hour from Kings Bay submarine base. My welding instructor was a welder on the nuclear submarines there. I’ve heard quite a few real life stories about Navy submarines from the men who built them, repaired them, and served on them.


That along with knowledge of scuba diving. In diving, even at recreational depths a diver learns of the immense impact of sea water pressure and equalization.

Just in 15-35 ft. there is enough pressure to rupture eardrums if equalization is not accomplished.

I saw a link earlier where Mythbusters did a deep sea divers suit test at 300 feet. They took and filled the suit with pig parts. At a depth of 300 ft. they removed the suit supply air which provided breathing air and suit equalization air for the diver. At 300 feet the external pressure imploded the suit. The supply air was 150 psi.

Titan was exposed to external pressures of 6,000 psi. At that pressure an implosion would have instantly vaporized any human. The good news is it happened so fast they didn’t suffer.
 
Lives lost at sea, the Great Lakes and rivers are the sadest events to me, the Titanic, the RMS Lusitania (that sailed where Germany warned again) was sunk by German U-Boat, the Edmund Fitzgerald in Lake Michigan was carrying Iron ingots, the most heavy cargo in the boats history, was caught in storm sunk near port of Detroit Illinois. Song about it.

A true event that happened in the golden age of Mississippi paddle wheel boats, happened 6 miles down river on the Mississippi River.

Here is my blog post about it.
historicalbatonrouge.blogspot.com

The 1859 Explosion of the River Boat "Princess"

History of Baton Rouge from founding.
historicalbatonrouge.blogspot.com historicalbatonrouge.blogspot.com

The incident happens at Conrad Point, it is still called that on a map I saw.

Another article:
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