The Four Animals in Daniel 7 -- Do They Related to End Time Nations?

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This thread is a spin off of something Rose posted in the Rest of the World category. The article she presented had to do with Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania officially going with European energy and disconnecting from Russian supply. Which may have overtures to Ez 38 reasons for Russia having a hook (forced) to participate in Ez 38 perhaps. So instead of laying out an entire picnic spread down on that thread's front porch, I thought this might interest some as a discussion.

Have you guys looked into the differences between these animals and the Nebu statue (Dan 2): Head of gold, breast and arms of silver, belly and thighs of brass, legs of iron, feet of iron and clay? Below are quick references -- except that 3rd article (that 3rd article has a lot of detail...I would question some of its findings...but it is well thought through and detailed...and helpful to this discussion if interested).

1. The first one is the well respected ICR quick references to provide some credibility factor to looking at Daniel's animals in this way

Search Tools | The Institute for Creation Research

www.icr.org

2. The second is from a website called TruLight Radio XM. I have decided not to post the link because it categorizes pretrib rapture as false doctrine. And I did not believe it to be appropriate to post there link. I believe there are many great ministries out there that are not pretrib. But I won't post the link as to limit confusion over the rapture issue. Instead I have posted the page of interest for this topic below. It was done a while ago. So it is somewhat taken from a snapshot in time along the way. I thought it might be helpful to see how considering the way this ministry considers how to look at the second animal, the bear, is an interesting approach. And at least some helpful fodder in the context of potential relevance in a discussion about the Daniel chapter 7 animals as end time nation potential. PLEASE SEE POSTING BELOW...

3. This is taken from a website I would not recommend for research. It is outside the Christain scope of orthodoxy. Therefore I have taken the precaution to upload a link to this PDF in my Google docs: FourBeastsofDaniel7_24.pdf There may be some observations in this pdf that I would not hold to. But the bulk of this perspective I would see as having relevance at a discussion worthy table. It is the only detailed work I could find quickly enough. If anyone knows of one better to use, please feel free to post it or counter with. I am just trying to find material that has looked into the 4 Daniel Animals. And its sad that I cannot find any really great weigh-ins from Orthodox Christianity. Maybe this is because there is nothing to that? Got Questions likely thinks so...

4. I am putting this link to Got Questions dealing with the four animals. What I don't understand is in Rev 13 we see them: Lion, Bear, Leopard, Dragon. We see them there. And it is told to Daniel these nations are the the end times. Yet, we just go with scholars of old who could see history play out on the otherside of Daniel, but would also be exposed to the reality of Daniel being sealed until the time it is for. I am not saying that time is now. But why do we limit these 4 animals like Got Questions does? For Got Questions seems to just have an absolute absence prior to Rev 13. Like these nations jump from the 1st century to the last 42 months on earth. I believe the reason we see the four animals in Daniel is to "have an idea today" about what they will become during the tribulation. But Got Questions does not see that as important or relevant. Granted, we won't know why all the in's and out's for sure. But does it not strike anyone as odd that we just turn a blind eye to end time nations today and Danial? lol. LIke what's going on? lol.

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What are the four beasts in Daniel chapter 7? What kingdoms do each of the four beasts in Daniel chapter 7 represent?

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The Bear with 3 Ribs in his mouth​

Bible Prophecy explained –
The Prophecy of THE 3 RIBS IN THE MOUTH OF THE BEAR.

Bible prophecy always come true, even if the Church did not understood this for decades, This Prophecy is now very clear.
God told Daniel: Dan 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

We Now understand!
In Daniel Chapter 7. Daniel sees 4 Beasts.
Dan 7:2 Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.
Dan 7:3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.
Dan 7:4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle’s wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man’s heart was given to it.
Dan 7:5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.
Dan 7:6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.
Dan 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
Dan 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
Dan 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

These 4 Beasts are 5 Countries or World Nations will battle to be in control during the end times.
The Lion = UK England
The Eagle wings broken away from the Lion = USA America
The Bear = Russia
The Leopard = Germany
And then the 10 Horn Beast = the EU Europe Union/NATO.
In Daniel 7 v 5.
And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.

“It had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it”
Three ribs = Bones of Contention. Two Dogs fighting about ONE bone.
This means 2 Countries fighting about one Piece of Land.
Tree Ribs means, 3 Pieces of Land in 3 Different Battles.

HISTORY OF THE BEAR and Other Countries.

Russia vs China
Russia has taken 3 Piece of Land from China in a war in the 1689.
Mongolia , Tuva also Zinjiang and Xikong renamed to Kazakhstan, Kirghiztan and Taijikastan.
This the 1st Rib in the Mouth of the Bear.

EU vs Russia
EU / NATO taken 3 Countries away from Russia.
These 3 Countries was part of Russia before they become NATO countries in 1991, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. (The Baltic States) currently members of NATO.
This the 2nd Rib in the Mouth of the Bear.

Russia vs ISIS
Russia is currently at war against ISIS in Syria and has now moved to Iraq as ISIS Forces fled from Syria to Iraq.
With the win in Syria. The UN will pass Syria under Russian control. This includes a piece of land called Golan Heights that Israel won in the 7day war of 1967.
Currently a Bone of Contention between Syria and Israel. And the UN are requesting to return this land to Syria, SOON under Russian control.

The 3 Bones in the 3rd Rib is Syria, Iraq and Golan Heights in Israel.
The 3rd Rib in the Mouth of the Beast.

Currently Today.
The Bear has the 1st Rib between his teeth in his mouth safely.
The Bear is currently battling NATO in a legal battle to get the 2nd Rib back in his mouth, being Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. (The Baltic States).
This Legal Battle could turn to a nuclear war soon!
And then The Bear as we know is Battling ISIS in a war in Syria soon to be won, and then Continuing to complete the action in Iraq. After this 2 Countries was given to Russia, They will claim the land in Israel’s control = The Golan Heights.

Israel will not release this land and this reason for the Gog and Magog war. Ezek 38 and 39 prophesied about!
Bible Prophecy says, Russia (The Bear) will have these 3 Ribs in his mouth between his teeth.
So expect two Epic Battles.

DOG FIGHT NR 1
Russia against NATO for the Baltic States = Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania.
And

DOG FIGHT NR 2
Russia against Israel for the Golan Heights.
“Arise, devour much flesh” Russia told itself.
By Pastor Dirk .

 

[1LoverofGod]

This thread is a spin off of something Rose posted in the Rest of the World category. The article she presented had to do with Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania officially going with European energy and disconnecting from Russian supply. Which may have overtures to Ez 38 reasons for Russia having a hook (forced) to participate in Ez 38 perhaps. So instead of laying out an entire picnic spread down on that thread's front porch, I thought this might interest some as a discussion.

Have you guys looked into the differences between these animals and the Nebu statue (Dan 2): Head of gold, breast and arms of silver, belly and thighs of brass, legs of iron, feet of iron and clay? Below are quick references -- except that 3rd article (that 3rd article has a lot of detail...I would question some of its findings...but it is well thought through and detailed...and helpful to this discussion if interested).

1. The first one is the well respected ICR quick references to provide some credibility factor to looking at Daniel's animals in this way

Search Tools | The Institute for Creation Research

www.icr.org

2. The second is from a website called TruLight Radio XM. I have decided not to post the link because it categorizes pretrib rapture as false doctrine. And I did not believe it to be appropriate to post there link. I believe there are many great ministries out there that are not pretrib. But I won't post the link as to limit confusion over the rapture issue. Instead I have posted the page of interest for this topic below. It was done a while ago. So it is somewhat taken from a snapshot in time along the way. I thought it might be helpful to see how considering the way this ministry considers how to look at the second animal, the bear, is an interesting approach. And at least some helpful fodder in the context of potential relevance in a discussion about the Daniel chapter 7 animals as end time nation potential. PLEASE SEE POSTING BELOW...

3. This is taken from a website I would not recommend for research. It is outside the Christain scope of orthodoxy. Therefore I have taken the precaution to upload a link to this PDF in my Google docs: FourBeastsofDaniel7_24.pdf There may be some observations in this pdf that I would not hold to. But the bulk of this perspective I would see as having relevance at a discussion worthy table. It is the only detailed work I could find quickly enough. If anyone knows of one better to use, please feel free to post it or counter with. I am just trying to find material that has looked into the 4 Daniel Animals. And its sad that I cannot find any really great weigh-ins from Orthodox Christianity. Maybe this is because there is nothing to that? Got Questions likely thinks so...

4. I am putting this link to Got Questions dealing with the four animals. What I don't understand is in Rev 13 we see them: Lion, Bear, Leopard, Dragon. We see them there. And it is told to Daniel these nations are the the end times. Yet, we just go with scholars of old who could see history play out on the otherside of Daniel, but would also be exposed to the reality of Daniel being sealed until the time it is for. I am not saying that time is now. But why do we limit these 4 animals like Got Questions does? For Got Questions seems to just have an absolute absence prior to Rev 13. Like these nations jump from the 1st century to the last 42 months on earth. I believe the reason we see the four animals in Daniel is to "have an idea today" about what they will become during the tribulation. But Got Questions does not see that as important or relevant. Granted, we won't know why all the in's and out's for sure. But does it not strike anyone as odd that we just turn a blind eye to end time nations today and Danial? lol. LIke what's going on? lol.

What are the four beasts in Daniel chapter 7? | GotQuestions.org

What are the four beasts in Daniel chapter 7? What kingdoms do each of the four beasts in Daniel chapter 7 represent?

www.gotquestions.org

. . . . .

TruLight Radio XM​

The Bear with 3 Ribs in his mouth​

Bible Prophecy explained –
The Prophecy of THE 3 RIBS IN THE MOUTH OF THE BEAR.

Bible prophecy always come true, even if the Church did not understood this for decades, This Prophecy is now very clear.
God told Daniel: Dan 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

We Now understand!
In Daniel Chapter 7. Daniel sees 4 Beasts.
Dan 7:2 Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.
Dan 7:3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.
Dan 7:4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle’s wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man’s heart was given to it.
Dan 7:5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.
Dan 7:6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.
Dan 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
Dan 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
Dan 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

These 4 Beasts are 5 Countries or World Nations will battle to be in control during the end times.
The Lion = UK England
The Eagle wings broken away from the Lion = USA America
The Bear = Russia
The Leopard = Germany
And then the 10 Horn Beast = the EU Europe Union/NATO.
In Daniel 7 v 5.
And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.

“It had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it”
Three ribs = Bones of Contention. Two Dogs fighting about ONE bone.
This means 2 Countries fighting about one Piece of Land.
Tree Ribs means, 3 Pieces of Land in 3 Different Battles.

HISTORY OF THE BEAR and Other Countries.

Russia vs China
Russia has taken 3 Piece of Land from China in a war in the 1689.
Mongolia , Tuva also Zinjiang and Xikong renamed to Kazakhstan, Kirghiztan and Taijikastan.
This the 1st Rib in the Mouth of the Bear.

EU vs Russia
EU / NATO taken 3 Countries away from Russia.
These 3 Countries was part of Russia before they become NATO countries in 1991, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. (The Baltic States) currently members of NATO.
This the 2nd Rib in the Mouth of the Bear.

Russia vs ISIS
Russia is currently at war against ISIS in Syria and has now moved to Iraq as ISIS Forces fled from Syria to Iraq.
With the win in Syria. The UN will pass Syria under Russian control. This includes a piece of land called Golan Heights that Israel won in the 7day war of 1967.
Currently a Bone of Contention between Syria and Israel. And the UN are requesting to return this land to Syria, SOON under Russian control.

The 3 Bones in the 3rd Rib is Syria, Iraq and Golan Heights in Israel.
The 3rd Rib in the Mouth of the Beast.

Currently Today.
The Bear has the 1st Rib between his teeth in his mouth safely.
The Bear is currently battling NATO in a legal battle to get the 2nd Rib back in his mouth, being Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. (The Baltic States).
This Legal Battle could turn to a nuclear war soon!
And then The Bear as we know is Battling ISIS in a war in Syria soon to be won, and then Continuing to complete the action in Iraq. After this 2 Countries was given to Russia, They will claim the land in Israel’s control = The Golan Heights.

Israel will not release this land and this reason for the Gog and Magog war. Ezek 38 and 39 prophesied about!
Bible Prophecy says, Russia (The Bear) will have these 3 Ribs in his mouth between his teeth.
So expect two Epic Battles.

DOG FIGHT NR 1
Russia against NATO for the Baltic States = Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania.
And

DOG FIGHT NR 2
Russia against Israel for the Golan Heights.
“Arise, devour much flesh” Russia told itself.
By Pastor Dirk .

Interesting information.
Thank you for your contribution.
I noticed that you referenced me at your opening.
Not that I am upset over it, but because I'm not the only one who has had the view of the Bear representing Russia, and I'm sure you are aware of this, it would be nice if you would like to offer a differing view, that maybe consider making the comparison a bit more broad rather than use me as an example. I just prefer not having a spotlight on me when it's a very broad view point among many. Thank you for understanding.
I do appreciate your input. Please keep doing so.

 

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Hi Rose. Thanks for your reply and checking this thread out. I had no idea you thought Russia was the Bear animal. Generically, most people do not think that at all. I would not have guessed you might. Which is fascinating that you actually do. Pretty cool. My mention of you was not to link you to my study. The material I provide is somewhat questionable. I'm not sure I even want to link me to all that...lol. But rather, it was more an overture to a conversation we had earlier. In honor of what we spoke about. So yeah, because it is not customary so much for me to go from one thread and start another, I guess I wanted to highlight that bridge.

In the way it reads to me dear sister, I am just saying that I am referencing Rose because you posted a timely article on three nations that likely will effect Russia. Your comments reflected that it might. But the idea about Ez 38 was not intended to link you to it...because you never mentioned Ez 38 correlation in your thread about those three nations. Much less my mentioning you to imply a view you might hold of Russia being the Daniel Bear animal. I hope in glancing over how I stated it it reflects that. I apologize if it seems to imply something else. For me, it links you only to two things. 1) That I am choosing to post a separate thread from where Rose brought up 3 countries that might effect Russia in significant ways. And 2) That I make a link to Ez 38 as my presumption aside from whether this might be something you hold as possible.

But more so, like this: Rose posted about Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania being in the news. So I am not trying to bring up these three countries on my own. Not that I mean to tie you into any views I hold about those three countries. But just that you found an article, a current event, that suggests those three nations as potentially weakening Russia. And we in current events are being told that by legitmate news. That these three countries are moving on from Russian energy. I apologize if it seems beyond that. For any connection with you dear sister was purely meant as a wink and nod in honor of what we discussed. Again, I am actually surprised that you think Russia is Daniel's bear. Most don't. Or at least would not officially hold that as a position. At least from what I have seen over the years. But I will be careful in the future in what types of cross overs I might make with any in our forum. For that would be totally Grean Acres of me to just pull people into my views inadvertently...lol. Then I would be like a South Park character or something. So yeah, its is always best to be helpful to clarify. Thanks for pointing that out. Blessings.

 

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Hi Rose. Thanks for your reply and checking this thread out. I had no idea you thought Russia was the Bear animal. Generically, most people do not think that at all. I would not have guessed you might. Which is fascinating that you actually do. Pretty cool. My mention of you was not to link you to my study. The material I provide is somewhat questionable. I'm not sure I even want to link me to all that...lol. But rather, it was more an overture to a conversation we had earlier. In honor of what we spoke about. So yeah, because it is not customary so much for me to go from one thread and start another, I guess I wanted to highlight that bridge.

In the way it reads to me dear sister, I am just saying that I am referencing Rose because you posted a timely article on three nations that likely will effect Russia. Your comments reflected that it might. But the idea about Ez 38 was not intended to link you to it...because you never mentioned Ez 38 correlation in your thread about those three nations. Much less my mentioning you to imply a view you might hold of Russia being the Daniel Bear animal. I hope in glancing out how I stated it it reflects that. I apologize if it seems to imply something else. For me, it links you only to two things. 1) That I am choosing to post a separate thread from where Rose brought up 3 countries that might effect Russia in significant ways. And 2) That I make a link to Ez 38 as my presumption aside from whether this might be something you hold as poosible. But more so, like this: Rose posted about Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania being in the news. So I am not trying to bring up these three countries on my own. Not that I mean to tie you into any views I hold about those three countries. But just that you found an article, a current event, that suggests those three nations as potentially weakening Russia. And we in current events are being told that by legitmate news. That these three countries are moving on from Russian energy. I apologize if it seems beyond that. For any connection with you dear sister was purely meant as a wink and nod in honor of what we discussed. Again, I am actually surprised that you think Russia is Daniel's bear. Most don't. Or at least would not officially hold that as a position. At least from what I have seen over the years. But I will be careful in the future in what types of cross overs I might make with nay in our forum. For that would be totally Greaan Acres of me to just pull people into my views inadvertently...lol. Then I would be like a South Park character or something. So yeah, its is always best to be helpful to clarify. Thanks for pointing that out. Blessings.

I wasn't connecting that thread to Ezekiel 38. The Baltic States have nothing to do with the my mentioning the Bear and the Gog and Magog war. Sorry for the confusion. It's just a habit of mine when I refer to Russia to call it the Bear. Many call Russia the Bear and I just picked it up. It's doesn't really matter to me what animal represents Russia because the leader of Russia that leads the Ezekiel 38 invasion of Israel will be an animal regardless of what kind, in my opinion.

 

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I wasn't connecting that thread to Ezekiel 38. The Baltic States have nothing to do with the my mentioning the Bear and the Gog and Magog war. Sorry for the confusion. It's just a habit of mine when I refer to Russia to call it the Bear. Many call Russia the Bear and I just picked it up. It's doesn't really matter to me what animal represents Russia because the leader of Russia that leads the Ezekiel 38 invasion of Israel will be an animal regardless of what kind, in my opinion.

I just wanted to note here that I honestly did not even know you said, "bear." lol. When I see someone say that, I assume they mean the national animal it goes by and not at all that they mean it is Daneil's bear from Daniel 7. For me, that is an automatic. So I guess I could see where that might seem like I hugged your bear, kidnapped him, and took him to another country. lol.

For me Rose though, I see bear mentioned with Russia a lot. And in the commons, they are. But that has nothing to do with Daniel 7. In the same way that is how anyone who says bear for Russia means that--at least how I might see it. To me dear sister, that is a given. But I can see now how it might look like I constructed an entire study around your one simple mention...lol.

Sorry if that looks that way. And yeah it makes sense you would want to clarify. I had friends growing up that would automatically become my attorney and tell others what I really meant. Which was a bit annoying. For sure. So i relate dear sister how it might seem I might have tried to be your attorney or something. To me I don't even think about people using bear for Russia. Because in seeing this study I posted here...we evangelicals tend to omit the 4 animals of Daniel as a rule. As an example I posted Got Questions doing just that. So the nature of my article is not..

"How come only Rose knows Russia is the Daniel 7 2nd Animal Nation?" lol. Nope. But rather this...

HOW COME EVANGELICAL AMERICA AND POSSIBLY THE WORLD JUST GO WITH MATCHING DANIELS STATUE WITH HIS ANIMALS? WHY ARE WE OUT TO LUNCH THERE? lol

That is more the whole nature of the study...which would likely include "you" in those that don't think Russia is the bear. But not "you" in a way of pointing you out. I just mean "you" included in a group I would normally always not to see Russia as Danial's chapter 7 bear. Its just not a thing though. For me its a given that way. But yeah...its not a very common topic...so it makes sense it might be a little unusual to bring up. I can see that now. Sorry.

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Ok so the reason I bring it up actually is not so much anything to do with the bear...lol. I'll tell you what is in a second. But before that...here is something unusual to consider that will absolutely not go over well. Are Daniels 4 animals synonymous with the first 4 seals or the Living Creatures who call those horses out? Like I have never seen a study on that. Probably because they are not related. But sometimes I wonder. Not a biggy. For me this is the biggy...

A M E R I C A is the Lion losing its wings.

So my focus is not on the bear actually. But it was a way to cheat over to the lion. So yeah. I took it. lol.

I am 90% on America as the lion. So I do allow for 10% uncertainty. If for no other reasons because its probably healthy. But honestly, the things that have come to my mind over the past 8 years is that America seems to get a bad end of a stick in prophecy. So much so, its too loud now for me. Because there is so much certainty that America is not in prophecy, like when Titanic came out...I waiting a few years to see it because it was "too in fashion." So now that America is super popular to not be in prophecy I believe its time to start a revolution...lol. Just playing. But I am serious about Making America Prophetic Again lol. When we see that what normally happens is NAR. We think of NAR. But I believe NAR is like if you ever saw the cartoon version of Pilgrims Progress where Pilgrim sees two large panthers growling to instill fear. So that people don't walk onto that bridge but rather hear the roar of the Panthers and turn back. In some ways its really Gilligan's Island like to think America might be in prophecy. And with NAR on the scene, it's down right heretical almost. So with all that noise AND Trump toward Israel 45 & 47...I'm thinkin to be very afraid. To me whether America is the Lion or not is 90%. But whether America is in prophecy or not? !00%. Because we are making Isreal Great Again. And to the extend we do...we are in prophecy. Maybe not something you can point to scripturally. But just that it seems so taboo to me its kind of ridiculous. This emperor is not naked. This emporer does have clothes. And I just think we are bing spooked not to see it. I'm a cessationist. So my thoughts are just me wee little thoughts. And amount to maybe a hill of Expresso beans. Maybe. But of the two animals: Bear / Lion...Alex I will take the Lion for $500.

What is exciting to me is that however God might move, He seems to have wanted to include America. And its rather trendy not to think so. I guess I am more like a hippie child. That sees that as a red cape for charging at exactly where God might be moving. Not like a Christian Nation, or anything NAR like. But just that God genuinely seems interest to use America. And I think it is down right American and Christian to just be ok to see it that way. So in actuality....though...that is what is behind this study. But I am totally willing to be talked off the ledge. And open to any adverse view. Because its healthy to possibly be wrong. Very healthy. And maybe in that sense...this is a study in "healthy." lol. Blessings.