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Peace and safety?

I tend to think the BOP is significant only for the reason that God seems to be allowing it to continue and expand in power. Which suggests it is part of the prophetic stage setting but too early to figure out exactly how it plays into things.
 

Despite Criticism, Netanyahu Announces He Accepted Trump’s Invite To Join Board Of Peace​


Thanks Hol. Actually I think this is a great approach (aside from the obvious bad faith players invited). What I mean is that from the standpoint of world events pragmatically, it actually makes a lot of sense that America comes in with a jaded panel somewhat slanted against Israeli favor to govern the Gaza situation. Because we are addressing what is. Not what could, should, or might be. So to me, after thinking about it for a while, its strange, there are things that are ridiculous about it. But for what and how it addresses, i think it actually makes a whole lot of sense. Please let me explain.

In the world political climate, there are a lot of antisemitic notions. Social media is overspilling with the issue. Israel is often thought to over react in retaliatory measures. To the extent many feel Israel's responses to Palestinians is not fair. Gen Z is practically raised on that line of thinking. Aside from social media, the UN has always had it out for Israel. So there are these constant social jabs at Israel as to why the world should hate on them or worse. That is the climate we are in.

On top of that, there are plenty who peg Trump as the President of Israeli. Or perhaps the lapdog of Israel. Because America gives so much aid annually and because of concerns of Israeli influence in the media (such as had be thrown around all over the place on social media regarding the Candace/Daily Wire fallout). And because of granting Israeli favored protected status in America in contrast to some who would see Israeli influence challenging our very own freedom of speech in America. Such as Trump's Executive Order 13899. Or congressional Act put in place regarding the same: H.R.6090 - Antisemitism Awareness Act of 2023. Pastors had come out in concern of just how far a field something like this might choke out free speech but rather govern us by hate speech laws. This was and is a thing.

In addition, it is also understood that The International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA) definition is gaining traction to degree in the world. What had been the most troubling portion of this statement seems to have been soften a bit. But it does seem to indicate that it could be used to a degree to influence historical educational preferences: "Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis." I believe that believers understand we are not to go around with bibles and crosses as a means to be against Jews. We don't need to be told that. We understand history. And we know although it was through the Jewish 1st century system Christ was put to death, true believers understand this to be a problem for the whole of humanity...not just one race. It was the "unbelieving world" that put Him to death. As Pontious would have been a gentile -- and honored the request of unbelief even though his wife warmed him of a dream not to. It is also understandable how Jews might see use of Christianity in an abusive way. As we know the horrors of the Crusades. So it is understandable that Christianity should not be used against the Jewish race. If anything...quite the opposite because of Romans 9-11. But this is a major issue in the world today.

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So I say I think what is helpful in the approach of the peace board is that it pretty much silences the following:

  • Trump is a dupe of Israel
  • America is controlled by Israel
  • America is Israel's war machine fighting her wars (a huge claim for years if not decades)
  • Israel wanted 10/7 to happen and knew it was coming (a huge contention today--even some pastors believe this)

There is more. But this is the sort of real world we live in. Where the above claims are made often. So i think having something jaded toward the other direction of the above mentioned complaints is sociologically healthy in some respects. If for no other reason than to bury tons of conspiracy contentions. Now of course it could be said that this serves to endanger the USA because we are doing this without the consent of Israel. And on that note could be understood as going against the Apple of God's Eye. And therefore, America stands to fall for such brazen assertion. I believe this could be a factor. And it may be that America may get some push back from God on this. That is totally possible.

But I think what is more the point here is that we are watching something unfolding that on paper at least is attempting to quell age of superstitions and conspiracy theories. We know Turkey is no real friend of Israel. We know a danger having Qatar onboard. We know it is a Band-Aid (but perhaps more like a powder keg waiting to go off). But I believe the temporal nature of the board is fitting. We are where we are. And this board seems to address a wide gamut of world concerns. What else it seems to do perhaps is pacify. We know it wont stop what is prophetically coming. We know this looks as bad as it does for prophetic reason. But what it does do is give countries like Turkey and Qatar a real say in Gaza. And seeing how it has been allowed to exist as a constant contention, it makes practical sense to transcend beyond those modes of thinking. And i believe this board setup sets out to be able to do that.

But i only see that for the temporary. Why i believe this is necessary is because Israel has to have peace and safety. With this board to pacify i believe that can happen. I don't look at it as a bad setup waiting to take Israel out. Because on that note, so will her becoming more powerful through Arab world deals with her. And how she may truly gain in peace too. But those good things will lead to Ez 38. That would be my take on it at this point. Blessings.
 
Trump on the Board of Peace: „Once this Board is completely formed, we can do pretty much whatever we want to do. We will do it in conjunction with the UN.“
God's Word will stand. Not trump's. For Gaza shall be forsaken.

Hi sister. This sort of thing will probably be ongoing. So i am not intending to bring it up often. Perhaps sporadically...hopefully like here. As one who is familiar with JDF activity over the years, my views are perhaps not a mystery. But I just offer this post respectfully and honorably in a possibility of some consideration perhaps over the seasons to come, Lord willing. But I'm not exactly convinced that what God is doing is contrary to perhaps what Trump wants. Mainly in the sense that if Trump wants peace in the middle east, maybe God does too? Trump perhaps for his legacy. But if true, then perhaps God for Israel to become robust and at peace. Maybe God wants that. Maybe He does not. But so far it is looking that way.

I remember in 2020 some evangelical attitudes were that America was done. Not coming back. And it was felt that this would seem to be biblical. And yet it has so much gone way the other way. Where not only did America come back, but that it is conquering the world it would seem. Just saying. So I know we live in wildly exiting times. And I for one am very blessed to have you here. And of course encourage your posting how you see the Lord lead. But its just that for almost 8 years now I have seen a lot of believers contrast God with Trump because Trump is so worldly and brash. And I understand the desire to so. I kind of do some of that myself as well, amen. He makes himself quite the easy target...lol. But since its been 8 years with Trump around it might be that God might actually use him I am thinking. Not that Trump is a believer or holy. Just that if God wanted to use him like he used Nixon in 1973. Nixon of course being no angel. Not even necessarily a lover if Israel...


As for Zeph 2:4, i tend to go with it having already physically happened and not necessarily a map to overlay for today. But I know there are strong believers on this forum that differ with me there greatly. In general there is a thread to shared some of those views:


Because of what is mentioned early in that book regarding the day of the Lord I would still pause and think maybe there are some things yet in references to that book that could relate to our age. But seemingly more so once it is the tribulation age, to me it would seem. At least that is how i would understand it. But i know there will be differences. Amen.

So just bringing this up in the event Gaza does not get destroyed. If not, it would not be because Trump's will mattered more or something. It would to me just mean that Zeph 2 was more for the grounding effecting of what historically happened...pointing also to our tribulation days in some similar ways. In any event just saying. And if Gaza DOES get toasted, I owe you a thousand nights of steak dinner in Millennial kingdom :) Blessings.
 
Why i believe this is necessary is because Israel has to have peace and safety. With this board to pacify i believe that can happen. I don't look at it as a bad setup waiting to take Israel out. Because on that note, so will her becoming more powerful through Arab world deals with her. And how she may truly gain in peace too. But those good things will lead to Ez 38. That would be my take on it at this point. Blessings.

Well I think that Israel has to be living in that state of peace and safety by Ezek 38. It's a necessary precondition. So that has to happen. But how it happens is still unknown at this point.

The BOP could certainly make that possible if it works but that remains to be seen. I think it is flawed based on the people on the board- proven enemies of Israel with the exception of Netanyahu if he is on that board and even then he is outnumbered. For that reason I hesitate to follow the rest of your reasoning.

I see it as a possibility but not probable unless more changes occur.

Andy Woods places Ezek 38 in the middle of the Trib and the last part of 39 at the end - I don't agree - I look at it as just after the Rapture. But Andy makes a very interesting argument that it's the covenant with the AC that creates the necessary peace and safety for Ezek 38 to take place.

Others see that peace and safety arising out of a yet future war (perhaps a continuation of this one) that defeats Israels near enemies, leaving the Ezek 38 crowd for later.

All we know for sure is that Israel WILL be living in a false sense of security at the time of the invasion by Russia and company. To the point that they seem oblivious to the threat from Russia and the coalition.

The idea of including Russia in the Board of Peace stuff might play out that way or it could be something completely different.
what it does do is give countries like Turkey and Qatar a real say in Gaza.

and that is another reason I think it will fall apart or just become the reason for a fresh round of this war, in which Israel defeats her enemies to the point of being able to live in unwalled, ungated communities in what is currently called the "west bank" and Ezekiel calls The Mountains of Israel.

Muslims take advantage of opportunities to be on a board like this, to harass Israel further, and to gain intelligence to use against them in future. Taquiyah I think it's called. That false peace they declare when they are weak. They break it as soon as they are strong again.

I don't know that giving Turkey and Qatar a real say in Gaza will result in any kind of peace.

What I think might happen is this Board of Peace will remind Israel once again, not to trust in man's promises and peace agreements. Those have ALWAYS failed her in the past.

I wonder if God is using it as another object lesson to give them more of a chance at understanding WHY they must NOT sign that covenant with the AC.
 
There are a lot of idiot pastors out there...

Understood. My general concern with that sort of thing is not so much how off some pastors can be...because i have kind of lived among the most dangerous of breeds, I believe. But the gnostic tendency to be a seer today and practically speak ex cathedra is kinda like the new age fad. To be so certain our configurations of things are from the angels that land in my backyard. Want to see one? Come on over...lol.
 
Despite concerns, PM’s reliance on Trump left him no choice but to join Board of Peace

„Significantly, the price of a permanent membership on the Board of Peace is one billion dollars.... But the real danger in selling influence over Gaza is that the land belongs to God, who forbids selling or dividing it: “The land must not be sold permanently, because the land is mine” (Lev. 25:23).
1. Two points of Trump’s 20-point peace plan for Gaza violate God’s plan for Israel to occupy the Land:
• Point 16: “Israel will not occupy or annex Gaza.” • Point 19: “When the PA [Palestinian Authority] reform program is faithfully carried out, the conditions may finally be in place for a credible pathway to Palestinian self-determination and statehood [in the Land of Israel].”
2. While the initial focus of the Board of Peace is on Gaza, the organization’s charter suggests a broader role in resolving global conflicts, raising concerns among some critics that it could be a rival to the United Nations.
3. Not only is God’s land being “sold” to the nations, but it is happening during a calculated Jubilee year, when land is supposed to return to its original owner (Lev. 25:13). Depending on how one reckons the Jubilee—from the first month, Nisan, or from the declaration at Tishrei (vv. 8, 9)—the year of land restoration ends at either March or September 2026.“ T. W. Tramm

A Dark Coalition is Forming Around Israel:

Israeli officials accuse Jared Kushner (Trump's son-in-law) of promoting a new Gaza Executive Committee without Israeli coordination, describing it as a political retaliation with serious security implications. According to Israeli sources: Turkey and Qatar were included despite Israel's objections. The measure is seen as a retaliation for Israel's refusal to reopen Rafah. Cabinet members say Kushner's "peace vision" clashes with Israeli security doctrine. Israel seeks to block Turkish and Qatari roles Officials warn that the plan could reshape Gaza's future governance and power balance. Kahane claimed that there is no anti-Semite as destructive as the Jewish anti-Semite. Kushner plays the role of an Orthodox Jew, but in an unconvincing way. He eagerly harms the Jewish State for his own benefit. And he becomes vengeful when Jews resist his betrayal.

Kushner presents plan for glitzy Gaza rebuild, aiming for ‘catastrophic success’
Let us see whose words will stand. Jared saying he will rebuild Gaza or God saying it will be forsaken. Surely the Word of the Lord will stand, for ever. Gaza will not be rebuilt. Zeph 2:4 KJV - For Gaza shall be forsaken... - And the timeframe of this prophecy is given to us several times in V1-2 and speaks of Israel's gathering in unbelief BEFORE the Day of the Lord.
 
What I think might happen is this Board of Peace will remind Israel once again, not to trust in man's promises and peace agreements. Those have ALWAYS failed her in the past.

I wonder if God is using it as another object lesson to give them more of a chance at understanding WHY they must NOT sign that covenant with the AC.


I like this. :) It certainly has a lot to prove itself out. If we ask, "What could go wrong" we would be up all night, lol. Because of Trumps epic changes already in the region, it would seem this board, to me, will likely have greater effect. To be seen, though, for sure.

The way I'm kind of looking at it is like from a providential (more than prophetic) stance. For example, kind of the way i would understand Trump's leadership over the country of the US had entered with a semi-45 afterglow of the biggest right to life president. But in the running seem to back off of that a bit. Evangelical disappointment there is understandable. But looking at that providentially, Trump's apparent change of right to life stance was pretty much the same he has had for years prior. In 2024, he did say "we have to win elections" as a reason for his stance on abortion (differing from De Santis more pro life stance). Although I too was disappointed in Trump's approaching 47 stance on abortion, if it wins elections it does say one thing. It represents the country he would come to govern. So in like fashion, Trump became the president of Americans. To the point he might represent for all. A man concerned for the voice of the people. Voted in as president of what represents America the most (even its ugly parts).

So in that sense, Trump became the president, in my mind, more than pragmatically. But providentially. Representing the greater USA. Using that template overlay on the board of peace, the board looks like the world in which supposed peace is to be had. For better or for worse, it represents the world condition even as abortion rights represent a significant voting block in America. And in that sense, the board of peace members represents the state of world and that condition in which this board was created. In that way, it suggests to me a measure of providential representation. As the world is. It may not work or last. But as it stands, it does represent the snap-shot still photo that could be time capsuled accurately expressing the contemporary freeze frame at the time the board came together. And to me, suggests a measure of providence in that sense. If that might make sense. lol.

As for Woods, i hear what you are saying Margery. I differ with his Ez 38 stance as well. But i would not call what i would understand his position to be, in the middle of the tribulation. From what i understand, Woods has stated Ez 38 as seal 2. And 39 as Armageddon. I do agree with Andy Woods on the second seal portion. But i see 38 and 39 as the same war. Although of course i could be mistaken. Where I differ with Andy is his sequencing Ez 38 after the arrival of the AC making a covenant. Because if true it would mean the AC makes a covenant and then (not 3.5 years later) 30 minutes later Ez 38 occurs. I don't believe Andy is aware of the exegetical problem with that sequence. But outside of that, I would agree that Ez 38 is seal 2. Blessings.
 
Kushner presents plan for glitzy Gaza rebuild, aiming for ‘catastrophic success’
Let us see whose words will stand. Jared saying he will rebuild Gaza or God saying it will be forsaken. Surely the Word of the Lord will stand, for ever. Gaza will not be rebuilt. Zeph 2:4 KJV - For Gaza shall be forsaken... - And the timeframe of this prophecy is given to us several times in V1-2 and speaks of Israel's gathering in unbelief BEFORE the Day of the Lord.

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In regards though to Zeph 2:4, it is clear from chapter 1 that ultimate judgement of this book will be seen in the tribulation (likely). But the beginning verses in Zeph 2 have the "nations" gathering. It does not say He is gathering Isreal though. What has helped me sometimes greatly for at least initial context is the bible project channel on youtube. This is a 5 minute overview of the book. If you might be so inclined.


At the end of the day we may likely have different views on Chapter 2. But based on the historical context, it would appear The Day of the Lord has its temporal meanings toward Jerusalem too (outside of the tribulation timeframe). Like later on when Babylon captures the Southern Kingdom and they go into 70 years of captivity. And later reject their messiah and go into diaspora for 2,000 years.

As I mentioned dear brother, we may end up having very different takes. And so we might. Chat GPT is obviously not a prophet. But when I asked it if Zeph 2:6 had been fulfilled...here is what it said....

Yes
Yes, Zephaniah 2:6 has been fulfilled. The verse prophesies that the seacoast will become pastures for shepherds and folds for flocks, indicating a significant transformation in the land of Philistia. Archaeological evidence and historical records support this prophecy, showing that the Philistine coastline has indeed changed, with coastal cities becoming minor settlements and the land being repopulated by Jewish populations. This transformation reflects God's promise of restoration and abundance for His people, as indicated in the biblical narrative.

I am not interested in looking into these things so that Trump's words can remain....lol. God forbid. I am as interested in defending His (God's) word as you brother. And if there is at least an immediate fulfillment, it would stand to reason it could have already been fulfilled. In addition, this judgement on Philistine was given at the time also to Israel. In those days if Israel got too idolatrous, God would judge them. But Israel right now is in an already apostatized state of unbelief. And as Rev 11:8 implies, Israel would be known as having widespread rampant homosexuality in the land. As is the case for it today. A state in which Israel has started out in apostasy, unbelief and rampant sin. The judgements in Zephaniah were for Israel to return to humility and the law of Moses. When the tribulation comes, believers then will likely witness Israel reinstituting animal sacrifices. Which implies somewhat a return to God as they possibly could understand Him. And we know they won't embrace Christ as a nation until the end of the tribulation. So I am just saying that in that sense, God is not calling Israel now back to humility and the Mosaic law. He is slowly rearing them toward their 70th week. And likely Ez 38, where they can likely rekindle a familiarity with God as their Father yet somewhat still veiled from Christ the Son it would seem.

Not trying to make this into too much. Just noting the differing consideration potentials is all meant. But we will likely see differently. In any event, thanks for letting me share. And interacting as you have. Blessings.
 
So I say I think what is helpful in the approach of the peace board is that it pretty much silences the following:
  • Trump is a dupe of Israel
  • America is controlled by Israel
  • America is Israel's war machine fighting her wars (a huge claim for years if not decades)
  • Israel wanted 10/7 to happen and knew it was coming (a huge contention today--even some pastors believe this)
I agree with you brother. It seems that the BoP will accomplish that much. I’ve guessed, on many other threads, that Israel will disarm Hamas and due to BoP will not have to fight world opinion like they have been since Oct. 7.

Of course anti semites will be as loud and proud as ever, but world opinion will be muffled. When citizen voices, like Candace incite hatred of Israel, certain countries & cities were planning of arresting Jews. I expect Candace & her ilk to get more exposed as hate incitors. But, I’ve been wrong before.

@Margery, I need to dust up on Pastor Woods ME Meltdown book, but he somehow splits the Ez. war into two phases, the first before the trib :scratch:?
 
@Margery, I need to dust up on Pastor Woods ME Meltdown book, but he somehow splits the Ez. war into two phases, the first before the trib :scratch:?
Yeah it's actually a pretty neat theory, I looked at his idea when he first talked about it. It's interesting and I probably gibbled it up a bit in my recap above, but I do recall that the covenant with the AC which starts the Trib was a necessary precondition because he linked that to the peace and security aspect of Israel dwelling in the "west bank" Mountains of Israel. Which as I recall ensured that the GM invasion occurred after the start of the Trib, after the covenant gets signed.

Then he stretched out Ezek 39 to go from that start to a final finish line just at the end of the Trib when Jesus comes back.

His pov was that the burning of weapons was no problem if it went into the Millennial kingdom because other things like Babylon continue to burn during that time.

So if I recall the invasion is after the start of the Trib, and I can't recall how far after, whether it includes the mid point and the 2 witnesses or whether it's just after.
 
Yeah it's actually a pretty neat theory, I looked at his idea when he first talked about it. It's interesting and I probably gibbled it up a bit in my recap above, but I do recall that the covenant with the AC which starts the Trib was a necessary precondition because he linked that to the peace and security aspect of Israel dwelling in the "west bank" Mountains of Israel. Which as I recall ensured that the GM invasion occurred after the start of the Trib, after the covenant gets signed.

Then he stretched out Ezek 39 to go from that start to a final finish line just at the end of the Trib when Jesus comes back.

His pov was that the burning of weapons was no problem if it went into the Millennial kingdom because other things like Babylon continue to burn during that time.

So if I recall the invasion is after the start of the Trib, and I can't recall how far after, whether it includes the mid point and the 2 witnesses or whether it's just after.

I believe that is accurate with what i remember. It stands out to me because i never met anyone before that saw Ez 38 as seal 2. So it would have to be in the tribulation proper period because we know the tribulation affectively starts with the covenant of the many.
 
The unprecedented storm, aligns with the formal announcement of the board of peace led by Trump. And we know who controls the weather. Just as the political realm declares order and peace, the physical realm unleashes chaos. Meteorologists are calling it a generational storm, the mother of all storms. While the board attempts to unify peace, the atmosphere literally divides the nation with an impassible barrier of ice and snow. In the Bible, that is judgment. Yesterday as they announced the board of peace, the sky began to darken over 200 million people. So we have the man of false peace, who is pushing the Abraham Accords, standing up on January 22 to stabilize the world, while simultaneously the hand of God, the storm, descends to shake the nation that is the seat of those accords. The world's mouth is speaking peace and safety - and the country that framed the accords and has sent the aircraft carrier over there is experiencing God's answer to that.

The two events are overlapping in real time... The timing is unreal. The storm's peak impact window opens today exactly as the ink is drying on the board of peace charter in Davos. The name Fern is often a shortened form of Ferdinand, and it's composed of two elements: “bold” and “peace.” It originates from Germanic roots, traditionally interpreted as "bold" often combined with elements meaning "peace" or "security". The storm bears the very name of the lie that they're telling. A new body built upon the framework of the Abraham Accords. And the message from the podium is clear. Peace and safety. And the USS Abraham is on route to the Middle East to enforce this new era of stability. Man is declaring that he has the solution. But at the exact same moment that this announcement is made, look at what is happening to the nation that brokered this false peace. The world stands up and says, "Hey, we've achieved peace and safety through our new board. And God responds by sending a storm named bold peace. The storm is the physical echo of the spiritual lie.
 
Respectfully, I view the attempt at defining the linguistic roots of the name Ferdinand as a far, far reach, stretching word origins to the breaking point. However, it does lend itself to the cause of being able to say the storm is the physical echo of the spiritual lie ... which at least acknowledges a connection between the storm and what has been occurring regarding Gaza. We should always be aware of God's judgement when mankind despises His will and scoffs at His Word.
 
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