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Hamas accepts Trump peace plan ending 2 years of war

@Andy C is the most pro-Trump voice on the forum
I dont think so, but I do agree with your lists.

I think too many well intentioned Christians expect Trump to govern from a Biblical prophetic perspective. When some of his positions seem to not be aligned with prophecy, many criticize him. However, how is a President supposed to let the bible guide him on prophecy when even the leading end times biblical scholars we all listen to cant agree on prophecy?

I also have followed closely for decades foreign policy, and how countries are often forced to work with enemies in order to achieve a specific goal. This is another area some, even on the right, disagree with a few of Trumps deals he has made with other countries. He has to deal with the world as it is, not how we wish the world to be.

I simply have learned to tolerate his personality, even though I would’ve never raised my kids to be like him.

I would rather have a super arrogant leader who is not afraid to make the tough decisions, then a well mannered soft spoken President who is only interested in the polls.
 
Why can't we have a well-mannered President, who isn't afraid to make the tough decisions? *maisey* :stirpot:
Can you name a past President (exception possibly Reagan) who fit the bill as described by you who was successful?

Hopefully, there wont be any future American Presidents to compare with Trump, or at least for the church to see because we could be long gone before the next election.
 
I think it's good to remember that Trump was a reluctant President.
He talked about it for decades when someone brought it up, but he always said it would be last resort. He never desired to be POTUS. Consistently, he said, it's "not what I want to do, even though I should and I'd be good at it."
He felt like he HAD to run, or this country was going to pot.

How many born again Christians do each of us completely get along with, outside the Holy Spirit's supernatural love for others?

We ourselves are all sinners with weird personality quirks and problems.

1 Corinthians 1:26
For consider your calling, brothers: not many of you were wise according to worldly standards, not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth.
 
I would rather have a super arrogant leader who is not afraid to make the tough decisions, then a well mannered soft spoken President who is only interested in the polls.
You are also a solid conservative voter.
I would never support a Dem under any circumstances. That's my beliefs. Maybe in the decades before I was born they were "ok", not these days, never.
It matters what your beliefs are politcally of whether you'll support him.

Rigid tight border enforcement was my main selling point for Trump from the get-go. Some people don't believe in that.
That's what separated him from Ted Cruz for me.
 
You are also a solid conservative voter.
I would never support a Dem under any circumstances. That's my beliefs. Maybe in the decades before I was born they were "ok", not these days, never.
It matters what your beliefs are politcally of whether you'll support him.

Rigid tight border enforcement was my main selling point for Trump from the get-go. Some people don't believe in that.
That's what separated him from Ted Cruz for me.

Politics has changed over the years. Some places are much dirtier than others, and some eras are much dirtier than others. There's a huge difference between local through State level offices and the national-level offices. Third party candidates can and do get elected all the way up to Governor in some states, like Minnesota.
 
Can you name a past President (exception possibly Reagan) who fit the bill as described by you who was successful?

Hopefully, there wont be any future American Presidents to compare with Trump, or at least for the church to see because we could be long gone before the next election.

Politics aside . . .

Pretty much all of the modern Presidents before President Trump had decent manners in public (for the most part). I can say first-hand that Presidents Eisenhower, Ford, Carter, Bush, and W did. From what I've seen and been told, Presidents Truman, Kennedy, and Nixon were class acts in public, as well. I felt sorry for Hillary.
 
I dont think so, but I do agree with your lists.

I think too many well intentioned Christians expect Trump to govern from a Biblical prophetic perspective. When some of his positions seem to not be aligned with prophecy, many criticize him. However, how is a President supposed to let the bible guide him on prophecy when even the leading end times biblical scholars we all listen to cant agree on prophecy?

I also have followed closely for decades foreign policy, and how countries are often forced to work with enemies in order to achieve a specific goal. This is another area some, even on the right, disagree with a few of Trumps deals he has made with other countries. He has to deal with the world as it is, not how we wish the world to be.

I simply have learned to tolerate his personality, even though I would’ve never raised my kids to be like him.

I would rather have a super arrogant leader who is not afraid to make the tough decisions, then a well mannered soft spoken President who is only interested in the polls.
One of the things I really really like about him is his habit of speaking the truth, without holding back. I may disagree with him but I'm never in doubt about where he stands.

He says the "quiet part" out loud for everyone to hear, think about and respond to. What a relief that is!

He has the courage to tell the UN for example that they are going to hell due to their stance regarding Israel. YES AND AMEN DONALD!

I may not appreciate his constant desire to annex Canada, but he's at least honest about his intentions which makes it easier to respond to. He wasn't joking, even if the media thought so at first. It's all out in the open to deal with.

For the first time EVER he's forced the other NATO countries including my own to get serious and pay their way. Really like that. I find it interesting how that is playing into the Ezek 38 set up as well as getting Rome 2.0 ready to rumble for the Trib.

I don't agree with tariffs- I'm on the side of Ronald Reagan there, but this is going better than I thought.

I think it's put the nations into fast forward and we see more Rome 2.0 stuff as economic alliances are reforming in the wake of the tariffs.

Those trade agreements that are formed with the USA are done with a lot more realism- knowing that at any point either side can break the agreement for national reasons. That comes with some risk because the bigger partner can force things, but that was happening ANYWAY.

If a certain amount of extortion is involved, let's get real, this is just happening out in public whereas before the kickbacks and payments to get a good deal were often glossed over. Japan and South Korea are able to say no they aren't about to pay what Lutnick and Trump demanded in terms of cash. If they don't pay, will there be a trade deal surviving? Maybe maybe not. But it's all out in the open.


Trump is allowing a rise in nationalism among all the countries, including his own. Putting one's own country FIRST is not a bad thing at all.

Do I think he's the best thing since sliced bread, NOPE!

But he is introducing some fresh air into some areas that could use it.



And in other areas, maybe it's time for the American voters to decide what's ok and what's not.

Can a president make business deals that benefit him and his family and friends on the side, while conducting business on behalf of the country?

Because Biden did it and the only people talking about the way Biden and his son were benefiting were the Right wing. Now a lot of the Right wing are silent, while Trump does similar things (although not with the crime cartels the way Biden did in the Ukraine) and the Left are going to town on that topic. Both sides need to get together and figure out what's allowable and what isn't, because whatever else goes on, Trump is testing the boundaries.

And while that's being discussed, the Constitution might need amending. Trump's been pushing some boundaries there too, and the legality of some actions needs to be worked out in front of the courts. Freedom of speech, Tariffs, taxes, Posse Comitatus act, what the President can and cannot do - what stays in Congress's area, what is allowed with the President.

Whether it's Trump or some future president, some of the Constitutional areas that he's been pushing the limits of --might need better definitions or even some amendments.

Before a really bad president gets elected from the Left and does whatever he wants. Because should the Lord tarry, that too is coming!

So while I don't agree with some of the stuff, and I will continue to say so, I DO agree with a lot of other stuff Trump does, and will continue to say so.

For the record I don't expect him to behave like a Christian whether or not he is one.

He is representing the whole country, he serves the voters who are the real owners of the USA. The owners get to decide whether he's representing them well. All the owners. From both sides of the aisle. Just like any other democratic country whether it's a Constitutional Republic or a Parliamentary Democracy.

I agree with you - how on earth can we expect a leader to follow the "rules' when even Christians can't always decide on them. He has to deal with the world the way it IS, not how we wish it was.
 
With very few exceptions --I'm thinking Eisenhower, Truman, Nixon and Reagan-- previous modern presidents were smooth and kind on the outside while actually being sneaky, crass, and self-serving behind the scenes. They polished the patina of civility while practicing the art of deception ... in order to stay in power and to serve those whom they owed. Trump is refreshing. He is what you see. Nothing hidden. He loves America and people in general. He has a kind and generous heart and genuine concern for those truly in need. And he owes nobody anything. He would be a great man were it not for his personal flaws, chiefly his ego. But I am very, very glad that he is the president of this nation at this time in history.
 
I dont think so, but I do agree with your lists.

I think too many well intentioned Christians expect Trump to govern from a Biblical prophetic perspective. When some of his positions seem to not be aligned with prophecy, many criticize him. However, how is a President supposed to let the bible guide him on prophecy when even the leading end times biblical scholars we all listen to cant agree on prophecy?

I also have followed closely for decades foreign policy, and how countries are often forced to work with enemies in order to achieve a specific goal. This is another area some, even on the right, disagree with a few of Trumps deals he has made with other countries. He has to deal with the world as it is, not how we wish the world to be.

I simply have learned to tolerate his personality, even though I would’ve never raised my kids to be like him.

I would rather have a super arrogant leader who is not afraid to make the tough decisions, then a well mannered soft spoken President who is only interested in the polls.
On your last point, that is what i was saying in 2017/18. The only kind of person that could handle such push back given from globalist enterprise takeover is either an extremely strong believer (which I would not put Trump in that camp at all), or a very thick narcassistist. lol. One that has no capacity whatsoever to believe he can be defeated. It looks like we got the latter. Thanks for sharing brother. Blessings.
 
Why can't we have a well-mannered President, who isn't afraid to make the tough decisions? *maisey* :stirpot:
I think we can. And sometimes I get frustrated with Trump's sense of snarky. But I honestly believe we are in a time where globalist forces are fiercely taking down America for good. If America is to survive, its not time to play nice. Its time to flip the narrative. And that will likely not be pretty at all. It almost requires the job comes with a nasty disposition. America needs a hit man that just does not care. Not the best material for a social leader (unless we are into cults...lol).

But lets say you need a chaperone through a dicy war zone that requires skill, ability, and attitude, more than diplomacy. We would not want a matured boyscout graduate. We would want the guy with little manners that could keep us alive and deal with the wide range of catasgrophe along the way, would we not? This is not just a presidency, I beieve. The way I see it we are dealing with Gotham city level WEC villains that want to own the world and America. Real life pinky and the brains's. This is our timeframe I believe. Symptom we are at war:

Wihtout serious pushback the government wants the right to tell our kids what sex they are. That is worth carrying weapons and addressing with 0 manners, I believe. Just a matter of perspective perhaps?

But I hear what you are saying. It does get old...the way Trump can be. It almost feels like he's a gangster...lol. Bless your heart dear sister for wanting a well mannered leader. It would be preferred. More like JD maybe?
 
I guess if Hamas can't fight with Israel they will find another group to fight.

At least 27 people have been killed in fierce clashes between Hamas security forces and armed members of the Dughmush family in Gaza City, in one of the most violent internal confrontations since the end of major Israeli operations in the enclave.
Masked Hamas gunmen exchanged fire with clan fighters near the city's Jordanian hospital, witnesses said.
A senior official in the Hamas-run interior ministry said security units surrounded them and engaged in heavy fighting to detain them. The ministry said eight its members were killed in "an armed assault by a militia".
Medical sources said 19 Dughmush clan members and eight Hamas fighters had been killed since fighting began on Saturday.


 
Nothing new between Hamas and Dugmush Clan. Hamas killed the clan leader a few years ago, and various members over the years.

Any time power shifts, those who gain will try and consolidate as much as they can. The losers resist and try to take back. Etc. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, and the friend of my enemy is my enemy is how business and war are done there. Alliances are temporary and constantly shifting.

The various factions are now fighting to gain whatever advantage they can. Israeli withdrawal will only serve to cause Gaza to implode and immolate itself, both physically and politically. Maybe this is what President Trump and the Israelis intend.


Deadly clashes break out between armed groups in Gaza days after ceasefire with Israel​

Journalist among two dozen people killed in clashes between Hamas and a powerful clan
Alisha Rahaman Sarkar
Monday 13 October 2025 09:36 BST
 
I have one word for all this. It comes from the Koran and says all that we really need to know about Islam and its many adherents, Taqqiya. It simply means for Muslims when they are small in number, to lie to get the infadels to believe they are willing to live side by side in peace so they can build up their forces to then take over. Yeah Hamas and several nations were involved in bringing about the release of hostages but their end goal remains the same, subject the world to Islam as the only religion.
 
With very few exceptions --I'm thinking Eisenhower, Truman, Nixon and Reagan-- previous modern presidents were smooth and kind on the outside while actually being sneaky, crass, and self-serving behind the scenes. They polished the patina of civility while practicing the art of deception ... in order to stay in power and to serve those whom they owed. Trump is refreshing. He is what you see. Nothing hidden. He loves America and people in general. He has a kind and generous heart and genuine concern for those truly in need. And he owes nobody anything. He would be a great man were it not for his personal flaws, chiefly his ego. But I am very, very glad that he is the president of this nation at this time in history.
Well said Mr. Wordsmith (y)

Many political analysts have explained how Woodrow Wilson was our slimiest president.

I think the church in democracies (western countries) were first to adopt the insincerity and the “…smooth and kind on the outside while actually being sneaky, crass, and self-serving behind the scenes. They polished the patina of civility while practicing the art of deception ... in order to stay in power and to serve those whom they owed.”

In the late 1800s Europe compromised embracing Darwin and higher criticism that diluted the church.

In the early 1900s the Presbyterian church (including Princeton) was captured and guess who presided over Princeton? Wilson served as the president of Princeton University and as the governor of New Jersey before winning the 1912 presidential election.
 
I’m really curious now to see how this peace goes, and how far and deep it goes, are the no walls and gates conditions going to come of it.
I don't think this one will last. Nor do I think it's a "good" one but it does help pave the way for future peace treaties. And I don't see this one leading to the no walls or gates precondition for Ezek 38.

The reason I don't think it will last is based on Hamas. The way they think, the way they plan, the way they act. This is merely temporary, a false peace I think it's called a Hudna but @Ghoti Ichthus knows each term and what it means.

Where they call a truce to basically re arm. Zero intention to keep any promise. As is normal for Muslims. Including Iran, Qatar, Saudi Arabia etc.

I think the terms are seriously bad for Israel - it's mainly giving back Gaza to the very people who voted in Hamas in the first place, who still teach their children from UNWRA textbooks that Jews are pigs, dogs and need to be exterminated and it's putting in place overseers who are basically UNRWA with new labels.

In short, kick the can down the road, do the same thing and hope for different results.

Only down the road, Trump won't be there, and I think based on watching American politics for decades that a swing vote to the left is likely after Trump ends his term 3 years from now. Even if by some wild stretch of the imagination we look at a Right wing candidate, I've been watching the swing towards anti semitism within the Republicans and I don't see that trend reversing itself

because eventually according to the Bible all the nations turn on Israel, bit by bit. The nearest events detailing that (barring the current conflict) would likely be Ezek 38 where the nations just stand by and let the Gog Magog invasion take place - while only 2 groups are asking a question about economics is as far as it gets to protesting Jewish lives at risk.

It might even be sooner because in 1 year the midterms take place. I hope to be pleasantly surprised, but I think there could be a lame duck situation brewing depending on how that goes.

The way I read it, Israel and Netanyahu have a brief, 1 year window of opportunity that MAY close in the fall of 26. I know there's a lot of optimism but I don't factor optimism in.

What I DO factor in, is the action of THE RESTRAINER to continue to restrain till we are taken up.

I listened last night to Olivier Melnick and Brandon Holthaus discussing this peace deal, with all it's implications and it was exactly what I've been thinking it is.


and I think that releasing all those horrible prisoners from Hamas will be gasoline on the flames. Hamas gets thousands of prisoners, all of whom are seasoned, proven terrorists let loose.

Yes I'm glad Israel got their living prisoners back. But I'm watching the games played over the dead bodies, and I think this is another explosion waiting to happen.

I wonder how long God will allow this to last before Israel HAS to take back their land, once again, in order to achieve that Ezek 38 peace and security as described.
 
Even without OT or NT prophecy, it's obvious that this is NOT going to be a repentant, reflective, corrected change for peace by these muslims. It's hard for me to see it in any other way beyond more violence to come.....unless the King of Kings and Lord of Lords personally steps in and puts other things in motion to inhibit or fully stop them from more of it. I suppose Israel is trapped at this moment even though the current POTUS isn't going to leave them without resupplies of armaments and other major support. But even that will run out sooner or later.
 
I don't think this one will last. Nor do I think it's a "good" one but it does help pave the way for future peace treaties. And I don't see this one leading to the no walls or gates precondition for Ezek 38.

The reason I don't think it will last is based on Hamas. The way they think, the way they plan, the way they act. This is merely temporary, a false peace I think it's called a Hudna but @Ghoti Ichthus knows each term and what it means.

Where they call a truce to basically re arm. Zero intention to keep any promise. As is normal for Muslims. Including Iran, Qatar, Saudi Arabia etc.

I think the terms are seriously bad for Israel - it's mainly giving back Gaza to the very people who voted in Hamas in the first place, who still teach their children from UNWRA textbooks that Jews are pigs, dogs and need to be exterminated and it's putting in place overseers who are basically UNRWA with new labels.

In short, kick the can down the road, do the same thing and hope for different results.

Only down the road, Trump won't be there, and I think based on watching American politics for decades that a swing vote to the left is likely after Trump ends his term 3 years from now. Even if by some wild stretch of the imagination we look at a Right wing candidate, I've been watching the swing towards anti semitism within the Republicans and I don't see that trend reversing itself

because eventually according to the Bible all the nations turn on Israel, bit by bit. The nearest events detailing that (barring the current conflict) would likely be Ezek 38 where the nations just stand by and let the Gog Magog invasion take place - while only 2 groups are asking a question about economics is as far as it gets to protesting Jewish lives at risk.

It might even be sooner because in 1 year the midterms take place. I hope to be pleasantly surprised, but I think there could be a lame duck situation brewing depending on how that goes.

The way I read it, Israel and Netanyahu have a brief, 1 year window of opportunity that MAY close in the fall of 26. I know there's a lot of optimism but I don't factor optimism in.

What I DO factor in, is the action of THE RESTRAINER to continue to restrain till we are taken up.

I listened last night to Olivier Melnick and Brandon Holthaus discussing this peace deal, with all it's implications and it was exactly what I've been thinking it is.


and I think that releasing all those horrible prisoners from Hamas will be gasoline on the flames. Hamas gets thousands of prisoners, all of whom are seasoned, proven terrorists let loose.

Yes I'm glad Israel got their living prisoners back. But I'm watching the games played over the dead bodies, and I think this is another explosion waiting to happen.

I wonder how long God will allow this to last before Israel HAS to take back their land, once again, in order to achieve that Ezek 38 peace and security as described.

Hudna does mean truce. However, there are historical, tactical, and religious nuances. Generally, the truce is for a set period of time. Historically, one or both/all parties to such truces use the reprieve to rest, replenish, and rearm. Then, one or more party(ies) find a reason(s) to void/violate/abrogate/"update" the hudna and go back to war/jihad against one or more enemies, sometimes with previous allies (friends) of the enemy(ies) and sometimes not.

It's another form of islamic lie. Agreeing to the hudna is actually a lie. Similar to takiyya lying, in that one's true intention(s) is/are hidden or obscured by not telling the truth. Also similiar to kittman lying, by telling only part of the truth (truce, but only until we decide otherwise, rather than the agreed-to term). And similar to tawriya lying, in that rearming may not technically break the truce, but it violates the spirit and intent of the truce. Finally, hudna is similar to muruna lying by changing appearance (outward activities) to appear to be complying with the truce, when, in reality, the behavior is a smokescreen for what they're actually doing.

All of these lies are permitted by the q'ran when the goal is permissible, and manatory IAW the q'ran when the goal is mandatory.

Arafat did this with the Oslao Accords, and finally overtly broke them in 2000, with the broad terrorist attacks in Israel.
The same kinds of tactics have been used over and over: Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, against the Crusaders, to sucker Israel into giving land it won back, fair-and-square, duing wars since 1948, etc., etc., etc.
Muhammed used these tactics of hudna to gain advantage to capture Mecca.

FWIW, well before islam, these same kinds of tactics were written about by Sun Tzu in The Art of War.
In some ways, islam has been dealing with the West by exploiting its naive/trusting nature (weakness), and this is why they lie as they do, because it works. A permutation of one of Sun Tzu's strategies.

These strategies, regardless of what they are called, can and have been successfully applied in war, economics, business, politics . . .
 
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