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JD Farag Bible Prophecy Update
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TCC
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You mean in the tribulation?
At this moment we ARE the temple of God here -- collectively and individually. We are where God dwells. But that does not preclude another temple after we are gone, a physical temple rather than a spiritual one. And most likely not one in which He dwells. It will be erected to Him by man's will and corrupted by the Antichrist.
Ronnie
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May I enclude animal sacrifices as well will return to the temple. We Christians know that Judaism is obselete and animal sacrifices under the old covenant are done away with, because a better covenant based on better promises replaced the old and that the sacrifice of Jesus is the true atonement that has been revealed.
God can and will reinstate these things to serve his purpose in Israel. God transcends s space and time, [Correction] Before Abraham was, I am. God does not negate the foundational truths of the Gospel of Christ. Let God be God.
God can and will reinstate these things to serve his purpose in Israel. God transcends s space and time, [Correction] Before Abraham was, I am. God does not negate the foundational truths of the Gospel of Christ. Let God be God.
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In regards to the objections about the rapture, Grace Evangelical Society has released this video today explaining this issue:
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I think Methuselah will go shopping in the MK.....but not sure WM will survive the 2nd advent of the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.A temple, animal sacrifices, oh my. God can resurrect Methuselah to go shopping at Walmart if it served his purpose, how dare we say he can't.
Hol
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That’s how I understand it, the Trib temple is built in Israel’s blindness.
The Millennial Temple that Ezekiel describes will be huge! It is 1-mile by 1-mile at its base. There will be animal sacrifices, as a memorial like our current practice of communion. Survivors of the trib need to grow in faith, they need to understand how Jesus’ blood cleanses our sin.
The best teacher on the Ezekiel fourth Millennial Temple (IMO) is Roger Liebe. His presentation was given at Arnold Fruchtenbaum’s Ariel Ministry.
I don't have time to watch the video. But I read the transcript quickly and he definitely defends the Rapture. That said, I'm so fed up with people who say the word rapture does not appear in the Bible. It does. 13 times in the Greek. Four of those times it refers to someone being caught up to heaven (2 Corinthians 12:2, 12:4; Jude 1:23; Revelation 12:5) and once it clearly refers to the Rapture of the Church (1 Thessalonians 4:17). So, it is there; it just has not been translated into a single equivalent English word. Instead it is translated as caught up and caught away. Now, when we wish to refer to the event we could construct a gerund phrase and refer to it as the Great Catching Up or the Great Catching Away. But isn't it a lot simpler (and more elegant) to use a noun and refer to the event simply as the Rapture?In regards to the objections about the rapture, Grace Evangelical Society has released this video today explaining this issue:
Is the Word "Rapture" Found in the Bible and Is It a New Teaching? - Bob Wilkin
Bob Wilkin of the Grace Evangelical Society looks at the truth of the Rapture as taught in Scripture. Although the word, "Rapture", is not found in the Bible, the concept of the Rapture is found in the Bible. Is Rapture teaching incorrect, because we only find recent evidence of its teaching? What are the Bible passages that teach the Rapture?
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There's going to be a slight change to the topography.
Ronnie
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The table of shewbread must be 8/10 of a mile from the lampstand, the altar of incense must be a half a mile from the menora. They will probably have backpacks with pop tents and other camping supplies for when their strength is depleted in their service of putting fresh bread on the table of shewbread and then filling the menora with oil. 
I think it's "IsraelMyChannel" on YT that has many great videos on the temple and MK. There's one in particular that I love on how the MK temple will sit on a 1 mile by 1 mile square with accompanying city structures......and speculation on how our King of Kings and Lord of Lords will change the topography. I'm not sure it would happen at the splitting of the Mt of Olives b/c Christ still enters the east gate and goes into the existing temple. Perhaps it's during some days between the end of the tribulation period and the start of the MK. Doesn't matter to me on the timing but His glory will be magnified in that structure and all over the earth!
I give up!
You've got wisdom in spades, Sir.
Ronnie
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Just I don't believe in beating a dead horse.
TCC
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Hi. Please allow me to introduce myself. I am Dead Horse Rising
Great discussion guys. There is a relevant prophecy voice that believes that the MK (thanks for shortening that @Batman) temple and Tribulation temple are one and the same. I never heard that before. But that voice believes it will start on April 8, 2025 period likely. If we are still here, I would tend though to side with Ronnie on the temple in the tribulation is likely smaller and not the same as the MK version (while I would also like to affirm that I do not believe the temple starts in April...just noting that as a social artifcat of sorts in our day--albeit an apparent date like setting one...yuk). But I like what @Tall Timbers said about the typogrophy. Tall do you see the MK temple as the same as the tribulation one? I was not clear about that.
I don't see them as the same. But who knows. If Israel gets 1 state solution in our day, who knows what can happen. But I like @Ronnie take on not limiting God to fill the temple with His glory. Most pretribbers would not think in that way, self included. But there is something I can bring up that might tip the hat slightly in Ronnie's direction on that. With a caveat, of course, lol.
So during the last days I was a member of the JD Farag Forum, I only witnessed one person get banned as an outflow of my concern. Something I asked the moderators to look into. And that person ended up being banned. Kind of to my surprise. Because most either went away or changed their ways. But what that banned person tried to do with me is hep me see their view....by using a different avatar. I thought that was cute. lol. The way he saw the temple in the tribulation was filled with demons. lol. I hever heard that one before. So yeah perhaps when the AC enters it. But he meant when the two witnesses came timeframe. And the building of it. So I could not really sign on with that one.
But I do have an overture to that in my caveat. Back to Ronnie. So the way I look at things is if I am willing to swing far one direction, am I willing to consider its penguilium swing equal in the opposite direction? That is just me. Others don't have to do that. I'll be me, Others be others. Amen. But for me I use that as one way to witch hunt out my own potential derangements. Because I do travel into some pretty uncharted territory at times, I consider that to be 1 of a few ways to safetgaurd.
So Ronnie, you would be in a way that safegaurd. Because of the caveat I am going to intruduce. On the surface, I don't believe that God would fill that temple in the tribulation. But what I am open to is a deeper concern. And that would be that if God allows a red heifer to inaugurate a temple for the tribulation, how might God view what He is doing? On one hand God would be permitting a temple as a way to reintroduce things to Israel. Especially after God being mature would know He has blinded Israel in part not to see Christ. And since He would take the initiative on His own judgement, He might permit aspects of "what it means to this generation in Israel" after centuries of hardening. And in that, permit Israel perhaps some sense of His real presence in reforming them into play. On that note, I am a firm believer that when Isreal recognizes God as the victor over Ez 38, it is in Him being their Father. And not a reversal of the hardening. Which is an amazing thing to consider about our creator, amen. So in that sense, I do believe there could be ways God might manifest Himself to Isreal uniquely even during the tribulation. So I am open to that. Amen.
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THE CAVEAT
So recently Zak from the JD Shindig has made some good points on Babylon the Great potentially being actual Babylon in Iraq. I never thought of that as a serious view until this Shindig. I am not convinced, but am more open to that consideration because of developments in that region currently. And honestly, I'd be willing to trade my Babylon the Great view there for something else. Knowing it likely would not be a literal trade. But in hopes to provide those in the Zak camp on end times proper, I would hope that if Babylon the Great is Iraq, the sense of how vastly different that world will be than ours be a thing taken soberly. Because one of the major concerns I have with the Zak line item reasoning of end time proper perspective is the practice of blending the tribulation age into the age of grace. For I find that to be evengelicalisms greatest error (certainly not limited to Zak). But if we can say that Baylon the Great is Iraq, we can also say that that attests to a dispensation we are not a part of in the age of grace. Therefore blending Luciferian Light into the Age of Grace (in the Bab as Iraq perspective) might be more clearly seen as parlaying the tribulation into an age of grace where it is impossible for Iraq to be Bab the Great (in our current day and age). Lest his view think it can. I would rather hope in seeing how much it is not to be a helpful sober moment to consider that if we see Iraq as Bab the Great, it testifies to us that we are not in the age where Matt 24 false prophets work maximum supernatural deception in. For that reason I would almost be willing to give up my Bab the Great as America view. So if Zak is willing to take that contract..i've got a pen ready.
So you ask, Dead Horse Rising, how does that relate to Ronnie's point? Glad you asked. Because while reviewing alternative Bab the Great location views, I stumbled across that one where it is Israel. Now that I would seem to think even less probable than for it to be Iraq. However, since Zak has helped me to reopen consideration...I did. And I must say scripturally there are valid arguments for Israel to be Baby the Great. I don't exactly line up with that view. But if it has merit, it would mean that we have Israel protected by the AC Contract with a temple...maybe leaning Israel therefor more into a Baby the Great agneda or be nothing to do with how we normally Israel ine up with Old Testament ritual. Being that far out on a limb, would have me maybe even wonder to what degree that guy that got banned from JDF might have actually saw something. I would hate for someone so obnoxious as that cat that got banned to have scriptural truth anywhere in sight. But since I am willing to consider what that time might look like for Israel in the Israel as Bab the Great perspective, I would also have to pendulium alternative to perhaps it housing the glory of God too in some respect--considering if God might in some way fill His temple than. In general I favor a neutral view of Israeli religious practice in the tribulation temple. Meaning, it is just what they do. Maybe no base evil, and no base glory. Just their theme for the day, like
But there could also be an Israel that is religious and and Israel that is also Bab the Great as a government perspective too. So it gets kind of complicated....lol. But I am grateful to Ronnie, Zak, and even the JDF banned memeber for perking up new potential themes to--which all seem to hoover around Bab the Great and/or the temple. As it stands now for me, I just lean toward Isreal moving closer thematically to God bringing the 144k out of. So that would not lean me to believe Israel as Bab the Great. But I would admit that the lion mouth being a part of the beast in Rev 13 could not also be Baby the Great, if that Lion losing its wings is America. At the moment I am far more invested in America being the Daneil animal lion that lost its wings and also being the mouth of the dragon. At least on that point, Zak's Baby the Great take forces me to rethink my own inconsistencies. And Ronnie helping to edge things to consider too. For in some way after Ez 38, God is literally honored afresh in Israel. This could have temple implications. As well as how in the heck do we ever reconcile the whole world knowing God just saved Israel to be a part of the triublation age? But if Ez 38 immediately after effect is in the triublation, it would almost seem to start off with the world realizing who the true God of the Bible is. Ironic, no? lol. In any case got to run for now. Blessings you guys. Awesome discussion. Thanks and blessings.
Great discussion guys. There is a relevant prophecy voice that believes that the MK (thanks for shortening that @Batman) temple and Tribulation temple are one and the same. I never heard that before. But that voice believes it will start on April 8, 2025 period likely. If we are still here, I would tend though to side with Ronnie on the temple in the tribulation is likely smaller and not the same as the MK version (while I would also like to affirm that I do not believe the temple starts in April...just noting that as a social artifcat of sorts in our day--albeit an apparent date like setting one...yuk). But I like what @Tall Timbers said about the typogrophy. Tall do you see the MK temple as the same as the tribulation one? I was not clear about that.
I don't see them as the same. But who knows. If Israel gets 1 state solution in our day, who knows what can happen. But I like @Ronnie take on not limiting God to fill the temple with His glory. Most pretribbers would not think in that way, self included. But there is something I can bring up that might tip the hat slightly in Ronnie's direction on that. With a caveat, of course, lol.
So during the last days I was a member of the JD Farag Forum, I only witnessed one person get banned as an outflow of my concern. Something I asked the moderators to look into. And that person ended up being banned. Kind of to my surprise. Because most either went away or changed their ways. But what that banned person tried to do with me is hep me see their view....by using a different avatar. I thought that was cute. lol. The way he saw the temple in the tribulation was filled with demons. lol. I hever heard that one before. So yeah perhaps when the AC enters it. But he meant when the two witnesses came timeframe. And the building of it. So I could not really sign on with that one.
But I do have an overture to that in my caveat. Back to Ronnie. So the way I look at things is if I am willing to swing far one direction, am I willing to consider its penguilium swing equal in the opposite direction? That is just me. Others don't have to do that. I'll be me, Others be others. Amen. But for me I use that as one way to witch hunt out my own potential derangements. Because I do travel into some pretty uncharted territory at times, I consider that to be 1 of a few ways to safetgaurd.
So Ronnie, you would be in a way that safegaurd. Because of the caveat I am going to intruduce. On the surface, I don't believe that God would fill that temple in the tribulation. But what I am open to is a deeper concern. And that would be that if God allows a red heifer to inaugurate a temple for the tribulation, how might God view what He is doing? On one hand God would be permitting a temple as a way to reintroduce things to Israel. Especially after God being mature would know He has blinded Israel in part not to see Christ. And since He would take the initiative on His own judgement, He might permit aspects of "what it means to this generation in Israel" after centuries of hardening. And in that, permit Israel perhaps some sense of His real presence in reforming them into play. On that note, I am a firm believer that when Isreal recognizes God as the victor over Ez 38, it is in Him being their Father. And not a reversal of the hardening. Which is an amazing thing to consider about our creator, amen. So in that sense, I do believe there could be ways God might manifest Himself to Isreal uniquely even during the tribulation. So I am open to that. Amen.
. . . . .
THE CAVEAT
So recently Zak from the JD Shindig has made some good points on Babylon the Great potentially being actual Babylon in Iraq. I never thought of that as a serious view until this Shindig. I am not convinced, but am more open to that consideration because of developments in that region currently. And honestly, I'd be willing to trade my Babylon the Great view there for something else. Knowing it likely would not be a literal trade. But in hopes to provide those in the Zak camp on end times proper, I would hope that if Babylon the Great is Iraq, the sense of how vastly different that world will be than ours be a thing taken soberly. Because one of the major concerns I have with the Zak line item reasoning of end time proper perspective is the practice of blending the tribulation age into the age of grace. For I find that to be evengelicalisms greatest error (certainly not limited to Zak). But if we can say that Baylon the Great is Iraq, we can also say that that attests to a dispensation we are not a part of in the age of grace. Therefore blending Luciferian Light into the Age of Grace (in the Bab as Iraq perspective) might be more clearly seen as parlaying the tribulation into an age of grace where it is impossible for Iraq to be Bab the Great (in our current day and age). Lest his view think it can. I would rather hope in seeing how much it is not to be a helpful sober moment to consider that if we see Iraq as Bab the Great, it testifies to us that we are not in the age where Matt 24 false prophets work maximum supernatural deception in. For that reason I would almost be willing to give up my Bab the Great as America view. So if Zak is willing to take that contract..i've got a pen ready.
So you ask, Dead Horse Rising, how does that relate to Ronnie's point? Glad you asked. Because while reviewing alternative Bab the Great location views, I stumbled across that one where it is Israel. Now that I would seem to think even less probable than for it to be Iraq. However, since Zak has helped me to reopen consideration...I did. And I must say scripturally there are valid arguments for Israel to be Baby the Great. I don't exactly line up with that view. But if it has merit, it would mean that we have Israel protected by the AC Contract with a temple...maybe leaning Israel therefor more into a Baby the Great agneda or be nothing to do with how we normally Israel ine up with Old Testament ritual. Being that far out on a limb, would have me maybe even wonder to what degree that guy that got banned from JDF might have actually saw something. I would hate for someone so obnoxious as that cat that got banned to have scriptural truth anywhere in sight. But since I am willing to consider what that time might look like for Israel in the Israel as Bab the Great perspective, I would also have to pendulium alternative to perhaps it housing the glory of God too in some respect--considering if God might in some way fill His temple than. In general I favor a neutral view of Israeli religious practice in the tribulation temple. Meaning, it is just what they do. Maybe no base evil, and no base glory. Just their theme for the day, like
But there could also be an Israel that is religious and and Israel that is also Bab the Great as a government perspective too. So it gets kind of complicated....lol. But I am grateful to Ronnie, Zak, and even the JDF banned memeber for perking up new potential themes to--which all seem to hoover around Bab the Great and/or the temple. As it stands now for me, I just lean toward Isreal moving closer thematically to God bringing the 144k out of. So that would not lean me to believe Israel as Bab the Great. But I would admit that the lion mouth being a part of the beast in Rev 13 could not also be Baby the Great, if that Lion losing its wings is America. At the moment I am far more invested in America being the Daneil animal lion that lost its wings and also being the mouth of the dragon. At least on that point, Zak's Baby the Great take forces me to rethink my own inconsistencies. And Ronnie helping to edge things to consider too. For in some way after Ez 38, God is literally honored afresh in Israel. This could have temple implications. As well as how in the heck do we ever reconcile the whole world knowing God just saved Israel to be a part of the triublation age? But if Ez 38 immediately after effect is in the triublation, it would almost seem to start off with the world realizing who the true God of the Bible is. Ironic, no? lol. In any case got to run for now. Blessings you guys. Awesome discussion. Thanks and blessings.
