it's just an unnecessary point of division that can derail this otherwise excellent thread.
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Ok so just to shift back to the Shindig. I was able to get also Jeff Solwold in. I won't get to JD till tomorrow plus. I just want to post when it is fresh and if there are any discussion that can be helpful. Where we might agree or disagree or encouraged, I think if we seek to edify, I think this shindig was pretty cool. And even though my eschatology differs wildly on some points, the Lord used it to convict me on some levels. In His majesty. Amen.
So just on Jeff, man that is a brother i just want to hug so tight. It would be great to hang out with him and family sometime. Such a gentle kind and warm spirit with this man. Aside from the White Horse issue (which I am known for being extremely different), the one thing I would like to share just in concern is, if we listen to all the points he makes about where things are going...
There are several things he shares about. And I know how he sees it. On some or even perhaps all he may be correct. But his thoughts about how what is happening throughout the hours of present day does not exactly absolutely have to match scripture. Do we know Trump will fail and all heck breaks loose? Because if we share with a well meant heart about that being the case, and it goes differently (which I would bet a lot on...and it won't be outside of scripture either), why have people stumble because we felt this or that about prophecy and make our feelings align too much with the way we think something will play out? I just don't think that is fair to those just coming to the faith. Or even like me. Like I would be really mad if I just said, "Ok. So we go into WW3 now..." and then we get peace and safety. I would be correct to look at you with concern. I would be correct not to lean toward trusting you because you felt to bring how you think about something into an actual alignment with God's word Himself as though it were God honoring your position. This is why I don't see views like this different than NAR. They just shift to not Dark MAGA but Dark NAR views (from a cessationist perspective I mean,..like how I am looking at it). To me its the two sides of the same feelings become the gospel prophetic coin. I am not saying this to be a jerk. But if things in America go well for 1.5 years...why make a ministry be about "Yeah but any moment I am more right than this event happening...currently...uh" Why? Why not just share like a common memeber of the body. Express it is as only your opinion. And be open to others whose opinion might Trump (yes that word) our own? Why is that a sin today? I don't get it.
As Jeff closes he compares NARS views to the tribulation. So what happens if we get peace? What happens if America becomes powerful and we are still here? Why is that ok to say like we know but...that is not prophecy? Prophecy that is not true if it does not come to pass? This is the thing i'm saying. I will be shocked if America does not prosper right now. I will be shocked if we America does not make Israel super powerful and at peace. Why if we are traveling in the direction of Ez 38 does that now become false prophecy? I say this strongly because Jeff said his audience is One. Christ. So I am taking him up on that and doing that as well. I am not even interested in saying, "So if it does not go like you are saying are you willing to say you were wrong?" I am not saying this for that. We are all wrong. Sometimes we might get some things right. But my whole point for 7 years now has been this kind of concern...where calling prophecy from our convictions too strongly is not all that different than NAR is kind of the vibe I get.Like some are saying Psalm 83. So if that does not happen, it would have just been nice for that to be a discussion more than just a position we might hold too strongly...omitting other considerations along the way. Like Jeff said, its not a game. This is war upon our world spiritually. And I am very blessed by these men because I know their hearts are in the right place. I totally get that. But as we are in the spirit, we become more clear. And we get a chance to talk with one another so John 15:15 practice helps us see the spirit of prophecy together. And I just see part of loving as being able to hear the hearts of others beyond our thoughts as gospel. What I am saying here could also be considered for those who have ears to hear. That we might overstate a case perhaps in how we are looking at...while we honestly strive for biblical accuracy. The golden rule...doing unto others...
I love Jeff. And I walk away blessed. The most impactful was Jak. And I track a lot with that brother. And I see his heart. He really is a beautiful man. I just hope in the coming months, if we are still here, and things go in an Ez 38 direction and not a Revalation 6 direction (in the next year or two) that we can just talk with one another from the genuineness of the moment we are all experiencing if that might make sense? Anyways...I am super glad and honored to be a part of this forum and a part of this conference too. I realize my statements here will only matter if we are more on an Ez 38 path. I would surmise that my ability to articulate it in the climate we are in gives it some weight. I'm not sharing this necessarily as an alternative view. For I have had to make many changes myself all along the way...together. Well hopes this makes some helpful sense on some level. We at the point where the rollercoaster is just about on that last click upward before the drop. So whatever happens next, ya'll...hold on. lol. And mega blessings to my FFC family.
So just on Jeff, man that is a brother i just want to hug so tight. It would be great to hang out with him and family sometime. Such a gentle kind and warm spirit with this man. Aside from the White Horse issue (which I am known for being extremely different), the one thing I would like to share just in concern is, if we listen to all the points he makes about where things are going...
- Peace talks
- AI
- Peace or false peace
- Things will go bad not good...etc...
There are several things he shares about. And I know how he sees it. On some or even perhaps all he may be correct. But his thoughts about how what is happening throughout the hours of present day does not exactly absolutely have to match scripture. Do we know Trump will fail and all heck breaks loose? Because if we share with a well meant heart about that being the case, and it goes differently (which I would bet a lot on...and it won't be outside of scripture either), why have people stumble because we felt this or that about prophecy and make our feelings align too much with the way we think something will play out? I just don't think that is fair to those just coming to the faith. Or even like me. Like I would be really mad if I just said, "Ok. So we go into WW3 now..." and then we get peace and safety. I would be correct to look at you with concern. I would be correct not to lean toward trusting you because you felt to bring how you think about something into an actual alignment with God's word Himself as though it were God honoring your position. This is why I don't see views like this different than NAR. They just shift to not Dark MAGA but Dark NAR views (from a cessationist perspective I mean,..like how I am looking at it). To me its the two sides of the same feelings become the gospel prophetic coin. I am not saying this to be a jerk. But if things in America go well for 1.5 years...why make a ministry be about "Yeah but any moment I am more right than this event happening...currently...uh" Why? Why not just share like a common memeber of the body. Express it is as only your opinion. And be open to others whose opinion might Trump (yes that word) our own? Why is that a sin today? I don't get it.
As Jeff closes he compares NARS views to the tribulation. So what happens if we get peace? What happens if America becomes powerful and we are still here? Why is that ok to say like we know but...that is not prophecy? Prophecy that is not true if it does not come to pass? This is the thing i'm saying. I will be shocked if America does not prosper right now. I will be shocked if we America does not make Israel super powerful and at peace. Why if we are traveling in the direction of Ez 38 does that now become false prophecy? I say this strongly because Jeff said his audience is One. Christ. So I am taking him up on that and doing that as well. I am not even interested in saying, "So if it does not go like you are saying are you willing to say you were wrong?" I am not saying this for that. We are all wrong. Sometimes we might get some things right. But my whole point for 7 years now has been this kind of concern...where calling prophecy from our convictions too strongly is not all that different than NAR is kind of the vibe I get.Like some are saying Psalm 83. So if that does not happen, it would have just been nice for that to be a discussion more than just a position we might hold too strongly...omitting other considerations along the way. Like Jeff said, its not a game. This is war upon our world spiritually. And I am very blessed by these men because I know their hearts are in the right place. I totally get that. But as we are in the spirit, we become more clear. And we get a chance to talk with one another so John 15:15 practice helps us see the spirit of prophecy together. And I just see part of loving as being able to hear the hearts of others beyond our thoughts as gospel. What I am saying here could also be considered for those who have ears to hear. That we might overstate a case perhaps in how we are looking at...while we honestly strive for biblical accuracy. The golden rule...doing unto others...
I love Jeff. And I walk away blessed. The most impactful was Jak. And I track a lot with that brother. And I see his heart. He really is a beautiful man. I just hope in the coming months, if we are still here, and things go in an Ez 38 direction and not a Revalation 6 direction (in the next year or two) that we can just talk with one another from the genuineness of the moment we are all experiencing if that might make sense? Anyways...I am super glad and honored to be a part of this forum and a part of this conference too. I realize my statements here will only matter if we are more on an Ez 38 path. I would surmise that my ability to articulate it in the climate we are in gives it some weight. I'm not sharing this necessarily as an alternative view. For I have had to make many changes myself all along the way...together. Well hopes this makes some helpful sense on some level. We at the point where the rollercoaster is just about on that last click upward before the drop. So whatever happens next, ya'll...hold on. lol. And mega blessings to my FFC family.
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I saw JB Hixon's presentation on the last days Apostasy on the Shindig conference.
The first part of it was a good, but at the conclusion when he addressed what he termed as
Political Apostasy, I must say it was disappointing to hear what he interprets as Political Apostasy in the Church
I have listened to JB many times and have always liked his messages.
I find that he is very knowledgeable theologically.
My comments about the message on this topic is not to demean JB nor to pass judgement on him as a Christian, but my critic is solely on this portion of the message because what is presented is not correct.
I know that we all can error at times, including myself, and this is just what I see here is an error.
JB's concluding points on Apostasy in the last days, he termed Political Apostasy in the Church.
I found it interesting that his focus with the last days Political Apostasy from the Church wasn't being in general, as falling away from the Church can happen anywhere in the world.
He focused on the Church in America with the problem of Political Apostasy.
I believe that when the Scriptures speak of the last days Apostasy, the falling away has no specific geographic area mentioned.
Nor does scripture tell us that if we vote for the wrong person it means we have fallen away from the faith, become Apostate.
I pray that The Lord gives this brother discernment and clear understanding of what Apostasy entails.
The first part of it was a good, but at the conclusion when he addressed what he termed as
Political Apostasy, I must say it was disappointing to hear what he interprets as Political Apostasy in the Church
I have listened to JB many times and have always liked his messages.
I find that he is very knowledgeable theologically.
My comments about the message on this topic is not to demean JB nor to pass judgement on him as a Christian, but my critic is solely on this portion of the message because what is presented is not correct.
I know that we all can error at times, including myself, and this is just what I see here is an error.
JB's concluding points on Apostasy in the last days, he termed Political Apostasy in the Church.
I found it interesting that his focus with the last days Political Apostasy from the Church wasn't being in general, as falling away from the Church can happen anywhere in the world.
He focused on the Church in America with the problem of Political Apostasy.
I believe that when the Scriptures speak of the last days Apostasy, the falling away has no specific geographic area mentioned.
Nor does scripture tell us that if we vote for the wrong person it means we have fallen away from the faith, become Apostate.
I pray that The Lord gives this brother discernment and clear understanding of what Apostasy entails.
Goodboy
Just waiting for the Rapture at this point!
Truth Verses Conjecture
What is truth? Jesus is the truth and the Bible is God's truth. So then if the Bible does not state something, we cannot state it as truth unless it is provable. Is it possible that what we come up with is correct? Yes, it is possible but it is not truth it is only conjecture. Is there anything wrong with speaking conjecture? No, but it should be clear that it is conjecture and not state it as truth.
Definition of CONJECTURE
inference formed without proof or sufficient evidence; a conclusion deduced by surmise or guesswork; a proposition (as in mathematics) before it has been proved or disproved… See the full definition
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I appreciate your comment. When speaking of biblical Truth it's best to use a biblical Dictionary because secular dictionaries can often define differently than what is defined biblically.Truth Verses Conjecture
What is truth? Jesus is the truth and the Bible is God's truth. So then if the Bible does not state something, we cannot state it as truth unless it is provable. Is it possible that what we come up with is correct? Yes, it is possible but it is not truth it is only conjecture. Is there anything wrong with speaking conjecture? No, but it should be clear that it is conjecture and not state it as truth.
Definition of CONJECTURE
inference formed without proof or sufficient evidence; a conclusion deduced by surmise or guesswork; a proposition (as in mathematics) before it has been proved or disproved… See the full definition
Now adays one's truth is truth.
But you are absolutely correct that Jesus Is The Truth
Agree, and I also call that speculation - which is what most if not all prophecy teachers do.
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He seems to want to prove that he was right to publicly voice he wouldn’t vote for Trump.
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Thanks for sharing this Rose. In general, I studied a lot of the same kinds of themse JB and Zak convey. I did not find much to comment on with JB because I was still getting a sense about the Shindig and to me Zak's breakdown was easier to comment on. So I am blessed you might have some perspective in regards to JB. I kind of took his sense about apostasy to be from an American perspective because that is where he lives. As he stated. But I could affirm with significant weight you concerns.I saw JB Hixon's presentation on the last days Apostasy on the Shindig conference.
The first part of it was a good, but at the conclusion when he addressed what he termed as
Political Apostasy, I must say it was disappointing to hear what he interprets as Political Apostasy in the Church
I have listened to JB many times and have always liked his messages.
I find that he is very knowledgeable theologically.
My comments about the message on this topic is not to demean JB nor to pass judgement on him as a Christian, but my critic is solely on this portion of the message because what is presented is not correct.
I know that we all can error at times, including myself, and this is just what I see here is an error.
JB's concluding points on Apostasy in the last days, he termed Political Apostasy in the Church.
I found it interesting that his focus with the last days Political Apostasy from the Church wasn't being in general, as falling away from the Church can happen anywhere in the world.
He focused on the Church in America with the problem of Political Apostasy.
I believe that when the Scriptures speak of the last days Apostasy, the falling away has no specific geographic area mentioned.
Nor does scripture tell us that if we vote for the wrong person it means we have fallen away from the faith, become Apostate.
I pray that The Lord gives this brother discernment and clear understanding of what Apostasy entails.
I guess the one thing in relation to your insights that I can come along side them with is that, yes, I agree it is good to be careful how we define things. I have a long list of concerns there...lol. But on your point specific, the one thing I could share is a generic rubric monkey wrench of difference. Not in difference to your view. Actually it is in support of your view.
The overarching difference in how a plethera of watcher voices land in similar places as JB, to me, is one of exegesis blended with contemporary tunnel vision syndrome. What I mean by that is that foremostlly the difference in definition, to me, is largely exegetical. Then on top of that, how we settle differing exegesis into our own age (seeing perhaps our contemporary moment perhaps as too inviting to the exegesis of eschatology). In other words, if we use exegesis to see things stated for the tribulation as things that occur before the tribulation, we might be superimposing exegesis for a different era onto our contemporary moment. That is where I would see where his conclusions can be sourced from to mismatch alignment with modern day America.
Like I see Matt 24 talking into the Jewish mind for the tribulation. The popular thing to do today is see it for the gentile church age. Right there, there would be a hugely different proprotioning of how scripture might inform us by what it means by its phrases. Another place I would see this done similarly is 2 Thes 2. Pulling the strong delusion into a time before the tribulation even begins. Whereas exegetically I believe it is highlighting the time of the AC demanding worship. But because COVID and government overreach had such an impact on us, for us, it seems like perhaps that is the strong delusion. But again, to me this is a primary issues of how we handle exegesis. My understanding is that the strong delusion is for one slice of one era only in the tribulation. Not in the age of grace before it. Satan won't have all his lying wonders going on now. The beast coming out of the pit empowering him has not come yet. Nor has the 7 headed dragon yet landed on the shore. But because it is colorful, and because we see things so intense now compared to yesteryear, we factor in the strong delusion as though it were belonging to our era. Once there, we can make any kind of balloon animal shape out of that that suits our fancy. But to me, it is nothing more than us feeling the pinch of the end of the age of grace. Not the pinch of the tribulation nor the AC deception. Yet because it is colorful, it gets attention on an emotional level. We are human.
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And I believe the topper for that, for me, would be that the great falling away exegetically I would see for the time approaching the midpoint of the tribulation. Not the age of grace. And what we see now is so nothing in comparison to that time. Yet for us, because it is so different than what we have seen before, insist it must be the great falling away. That is not to say it is totally without warrant. Because I do believe we are at the miniature golf version of falling away. We in the age of grace have our own mirror like and much more subtle version of that, I believe. In looking at the horrors of the tribulation, we might not naturally think that there is all that much difference from day 1 of the tribulation and the midpoint. We have become accustomed to importing the beast system itself into the age of grace now. So to us, it kind of looks like it all just blends together. But seal 5 helps us understand that that time on earth in unprecidented. And what leads to God putting his master foot down in seal 6. Which leads us into the series of the trumpets which is the judgements falling into place the literal beast timeframe range. Satan's kingdom literally being set up on earth. But generically, I would see that as the period of the trumpets. Not the seals. And not the age of grace. But our tendency today is to blend all of those into one. So I believe inadvertently we lose distinction in ways.
I differ vastly on much John Macarthur has put forth. But even so, in that camp there are also many things that are actually real and true too. I used to constantly disagree with Macarthur on so many things. Only to find over time some things he lands on actually are likely more valid. That is the master struggle in circles like that. Because there are so many ways in which I would understand doctrines distorted. Yet also some very helpful practical things shared too. Mac's view on the great apostasy was just before the midpoint. Which at the time I thought odd. Because I thought it might be for the age of grace. What cements it for me is certainly not Jmac. But the trumpets. For they clearly display how the theme of the AC kingdom comes into reign. Unfortunately there are many evangelicals that see AC ruling for 7 years. Not just 3.5 (the second half). This escatological view would give rise to very different exegetical variant use. And tend to blend the end of the age of grace, the beginning of the tribulation, the midpoint and the end all together without much distinction. The beast that empowers AC to kill the 2 witnesses would be the point where the AC has all his lying wonders. Not before during the tribulation. .And certainly not in the age of grace. As far as I can tell scripturally. But that does not stop evangelicals from superimposing it on the age of grace. Or JB from superimposing it on America. Perhaps this gives some helpful guide why I would see radically different eschatology in general.
But for sure we do see a taste of great apostasy proper today. But to me a taste of and the literal thing only tasted of are two very different things and two very different eras. So yeah like in that way, I would agree very much with your concern. From an exegetical standpoint primarily. Blessings dear sister. Thanks for sharing.
THIS is something I'm paying close attention to.In October, Tyranny Arrives in Europe!
In a recent press conference, European Central Bank President Christine Lagarde announced a digital Euro will roll out this coming October.
🚨In October, Tyranny Arrives in Europe!🚨
In a recent press conference, European Central Bank President Christine Lagarde announced a digital Euro will roll out this coming October.
Britt Gillette explained why this is a huge step towards the tyranny of the global financial system that will require the Mark of the Beast.
His video which I watched yesterday finally explained why this isn't just a digital Euro.
They are attempting to shut down CASH - and in a lot of places across Europe (Britt explains) and here in Canada there are limits to cash withdrawals and transactions.
Always brought in to "prevent crime" and crime always finds a way around the limits, while ordinary citizens are scrutinized and taxed IMMEDIATELY.
YES for your convenience, it appears that under Christine LaGarde's proposed system coming this fall to Europe, the tax is taken straight off any digital transfer you make to a friend to repay a coffee, or to a family member who bought groceries for you while you had the flu. They paid tax at the source but now it's a financial transaction so more tax is due.
And under the SWIFT system which facilitates money between international banks in other countries- the CBDC will soon follow. Looking at Trump's push for digital currency, I'd say Europe may be first off the block, but America will follow the rest of the world down the same trap.
IMF, WEF thanks us all for our support I'm sure!
1LoverofGod
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I mentioned America just because he focused on America but it wasn't really about America. It was about the last election and Trump.Thanks for sharing this Rose. In general, I studied a lot of the same kinds of themse JB and Zak convey. I did not find much to comment on with JB because I was still getting a sense about the Shindig and to me Zak's breakdown was easier to comment on. So I am blessed you might have some perspective in regards to JB. I kind of took his sense about apostasy to be from an American perspective because that is where he lives. As he stated. But I could affirm with significant weight you concerns.
I guess the one thing in relation to your insights that I can come along side them with is that, yes, I agree it is good to be careful how we define things. I have a long list of concerns there...lol. But on your point specific, the one thing I could share is a generic rubric monkey wrench of difference. Not in difference to your view. Actually it is in support of your view.
The overarching difference in how a plethera of watcher voices land in similar places as JB, to me, is one of exegesis blended with contemporary tunnel vision syndrome. What I mean by that is that foremostlly the difference in definition, to me, is largely exegetical. Then on top of that, how we settle differing exegesis into our own age (seeing perhaps our contemporary moment perhaps as too inviting to the exegesis of eschatology). In other words, if we use exegesis to see things stated for the tribulation as things that occur before the tribulation, we might be superimposing exegesis for a different era onto our contemporary moment. That is where I would see where his conclusions can be sourced from to mismatch alignment with modern day America.
Like I see Matt 24 talking into the Jewish mind for the tribulation. The popular thing to do today is see it for the gentile church age. Right there, there would be a hugely different proprotioning of how scripture might inform us by what it means by its phrases. Another place I would see this done similarly is 2 Thes 2. Pulling the strong delusion into a time before the tribulation even begins. Whereas exegetically I believe it is highlighting the time of the AC demanding worship. But because COVID and government overreach had such an impact on us, for us, it seems like perhaps that is the strong delusion. But again, to me this is a primary issues of how we handle exegesis. My understanding is that the strong delusion is for one slice of one era only in the tribulation. Not in the age of grace before it. Satan won't have all his lying wonders going on now. The beast coming out of the pit empowering him has not come yet. Nor has the 7 headed dragon yet landed on the shore. But because it is colorful, and because we see things so intense now compared to yesteryear, we factor in the strong delusion as though it were belonging to our era. Once there, we can make any kind of balloon animal shape out of that that suits our fancy. But to me, it is nothing more than us feeling the pinch of the end of the age of grace. Not the pinch of the tribulation nor the AC deception. Yet because it is colorful, it gets attention on an emotional level. We are human.
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And I believe the topper for that, for me, would be that the great falling away exegetically I would see for the time approaching the midpoint of the tribulation. Not the age of grace. And what we see now is so nothing in comparison to that time. Yet for us, because it is so different than what we have seen before, insist it must be the great falling away. That is not to say it is totally without warrant. Because I do believe we are at the miniature golf version of falling away. We in the age of grace have our own mirror like and much more subtle version of that, I believe. In looking at the horrors of the tribulation, we might not naturally think that there is all that much difference from day 1 of the tribulation and the midpoint. We have become accustomed to importing the beast system itself into the age of grace now. So to us, it kind of looks like it all just blends together. But seal 5 helps us understand that that time on earth in unprecidented. And what leads to God putting his master foot down in seal 6. Which leads us into the series of the trumpets which is the judgements falling into place the literal beast timeframe range. Satan's kingdom literally being set up on earth. But generically, I would see that as the period of the trumpets. Not the seals. And not the age of grace. But our tendency today is to blend all of those into one. So I believe inadvertently we lose distinction in ways.
I differ vastly on such John Macarthur has put forth. But even so, in that camp there are also many things that are actually real and true too. I used to constantly disagree with Macarthur on so many things. Only to find over time some things he lands on actually are likely more valid. That is the master struggle in circles like that. Because there are so many ways in which I would understand doctrines distorted. Yet also some very helpful practical things shared too. Mac's view on the great apostasy was just before the midpoint. Which at the time I thought odd. Because I thought it might be for the age of grace. What cements it for me is certainly not Jmac. But the trumpets. For they clearly display how the theme of the AC kingdom comes into reign. Unfortunately there are many evangelicals that see AC ruling for 7 years. Not just 3.5 (the second half). This escatological view would give rise to very different exegetical variant use. And tend to blend the end of the age of grace, the beginning of the tribulation, the midpoint and the end all together without much distinction. The beast that empowers AC to kill the 2 witnesses would be the point where the AC has all his lying wonders. Not before during the tribulation. .And certainly not in the age of grace. As far as I can tell scripturally. But that does not stop evangelicals from superimposing it on the age of grace. Or JB from superimposing it on America. Perhaps this gives some helpful guide why I would see radically different eschatology in general.
But for sure we do see a taste of great apostasy proper today. But to me a taste of and the literal thing only tasted of are two very different things and two very different eras. So yeah like in that way, I would agree very much with your concern. From an exegetical standpoint primarily. Blessings dear sister. Thanks for sharing.
He talked about deception. He incorporated deception with Christians that "can't see" Trump for who he is.
This was what he referred to.
But my point with the comment I made wasn't about Trump or the politics.
I just put that in there for a backdrop for the main point I was making.
The message was on Political Apostasy.
The disturbing thing was his tying his political background check and saying Christians are deceived by the political "truth" , and then to place Christians who voted for Trump as Apostates.
He used all of the scriptures referring to falling away and Apostasy and being deceived in the last days to Christians and Trump but the scriptures he used don't apply to his term Political Apostasy.
The scriptures he used refer to those who abandon the faith. Who turn away from the truth to a false gospel.
If anyone can direct me to anywhere the Bible where it refers to Political Apostasy or just reference to that, I would sincerely apologize and take back what I have said.
Can't use AC as the example because there's no AC yet.
This presentation on Political Apostasy was just a continuation of what Zak has been doing since he cut ties with the Prophecy community over differences in opinions.
None of which was about gospel for him to call those he cut ties with false teachers.
I watched the whole thing play out and it was sad and disheartening to see the Church being divided.
It's not whether the things that were presented as evidence against Trump were true or not.
It's about turning brothers and sisters against one another and falsely calling believers Apostates.
This is the point.
1LoverofGod
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Yes EU has this coming October set to implement the digital CBDC.
There's an article on that under rest of the world.
TCC
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This was the point i made regarding the Shindig, for....oops...
HEY ALL JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY -- SORRY FOR THE CONFUSION -- I MEANT toby Stevens NOT JEFF SOLWOLD FOR THIS POSTOk so just to shift back to the Shindig. I was able to get also Jeff Solwold in. I won't get to JD till tomorrow plus. I just want to post when it is fresh and if there are any discussion that can be helpful. Where we might agree or disagree or encouraged, I think if we seek to edify, I think this shindig was pretty cool. And even though my eschatology differs wildly on some points, the Lord used it to convict me on some levels. In His majesty. Amen.
So just on Jeff, man that is a brother i just want to hug so tight. It would be great to hang out with him and family sometime. Such a gentle kind and warm spirit with this man. Aside from the White Horse issue (which I am known for being extremely different), the one thing I would like to share just in concern is, if we listen to all the points he makes about where things are going...
- Peace talks
- AI
- Peace or false peace
- Things will go bad not good...etc...
There are several things he shares about. And I know how he sees it. On some or even perhaps all he may be correct. But his thoughts about how what is happening throughout the hours of present day does not exactly absolutely have to match scripture. Do we know Trump will fail and all heck breaks loose? Because if we share with a well meant heart about that being the case, and it goes differently (which I would bet a lot on...and it won't be outside of scripture either), why have people stumble because we felt this or that about prophecy and make our feelings align too much with the way we think something will play out? I just don't think that is fair to those just coming to the faith. Or even like me. Like I would be really mad if I just said, "Ok. So we go into WW3 now..." and then we get peace and safety. I would be correct to look at you with concern. I would be correct not to lean toward trusting you because you felt to bring how you think about something into an actual alignment with God's word Himself as though it were God honoring your position. This is why I don't see views like this different than NAR. They just shift to not Dark MAGA but Dark NAR views (from a cessationist perspective I mean,..like how I am looking at it). To me its the two sides of the same feelings become the gospel prophetic coin. I am not saying this to be a jerk. But if things in America go well for 1.5 years...why make a ministry be about "Yeah but any moment I am more right than this event happening...currently...uh" Why? Why not just share like a common memeber of the body. Express it is as only your opinion. And be open to others whose opinion might Trump (yes that word) our own? Why is that a sin today? I don't get it.
As Jeff closes he compares NARS views to the tribulation. So what happens if we get peace? What happens if America becomes powerful and we are still here? Why is that ok to say like we know but...that is not prophecy? Prophecy that is not true if it does not come to pass? This is the thing i'm saying. I will be shocked if America does not prosper right now. I will be shocked if we America does not make Israel super powerful and at peace. Why if we are traveling in the direction of Ez 38 does that now become false prophecy? I say this strongly because Jeff said his audience is One. Christ. So I am taking him up on that and doing that as well. I am not even interested in saying, "So if it does not go like you are saying are you willing to say you were wrong?" I am not saying this for that. We are all wrong. Sometimes we might get some things right. But my whole point for 7 years now has been this kind of concern...where calling prophecy from our convictions too strongly is not all that different than NAR is kind of the vibe I get.Like some are saying Psalm 83. So if that does not happen, it would have just been nice for that to be a discussion more than just a position we might hold too strongly...omitting other considerations along the way. Like Jeff said, its not a game. This is war upon our world spiritually. And I am very blessed by these men because I know their hearts are in the right place. I totally get that. But as we are in the spirit, we become more clear. And we get a chance to talk with one another so John 15:15 practice helps us see the spirit of prophecy together. And I just see part of loving as being able to hear the hearts of others beyond our thoughts as gospel. What I am saying here could also be considered for those who have ears to hear. That we might overstate a case perhaps in how we are looking at...while we honestly strive for biblical accuracy. The golden rule...doing unto others...
I love Jeff. And I walk away blessed. The most impactful was Jak. And I track a lot with that brother. And I see his heart. He really is a beautiful man. I just hope in the coming months, if we are still here, and things go in an Ez 38 direction and not a Revalation 6 direction (in the next year or two) that we can just talk with one another from the genuineness of the moment we are all experiencing if that might make sense? Anyways...I am super glad and honored to be a part of this forum and a part of this conference too. I realize my statements here will only matter if we are more on an Ez 38 path. I would surmise that my ability to articulate it in the climate we are in gives it some weight. I'm not sharing this necessarily as an alternative view. For I have had to make many changes myself all along the way...together. Well hopes this makes some helpful sense on some level. We at the point where the rollercoaster is just about on that last click upward before the drop. So whatever happens next, ya'll...hold on. lol. And mega blessings to my FFC family.
JEFF SOLWOLD
I like Jeff. But the post above I can no longer edit has the wrong Shindig Name to it. I was talking about Toby Stevens.
TOBY STEVENS
Toby had the DOOM and GLOOM before the BOOM and Zoom -- that was what this post above was for. Sorry. I got the names confused.
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So I am attaching it here with your quote Andy because in my post I was pointing that although Toby has an awesome heart in the Lord. I mean you can just see it. He mentions things like they are going to happen. In his views America won't become prosperous and powerful (ok, lets have that total showdown). And the NWO will take over the world. I believe those things too -- but on a different timeline. So in the way Toby said it, he would see America not succeed. I think that is an interpretation of scritpure. Not scripture itself. The Bible does not say America will prosper. But we tend to associate Trump's golden age with something that cannot happen. So we see NAR and think "the golden age" and by that coupled with what we see in Rev 6, we go "Therefore we know for sure America wont succeed. Trump won't succeed. And America will be taken over by NWO." That is conjecture. Sold as though the Bible says that. It is passion running too high because there is too high a base confidence level in NAR being wrong, so our minds are appeased by that. But that is eisegesis. Not exegesis. That to me is emotionally letting the times we live in condition our minds to see scripture on our whims I believe.
Obviously the Bible does not say America and Trump will succeed. But I don't let NAR inform me of anything other than the sad state of the nation spiritually. And I don't look at scritpure based on anything NAR does. To me they are a mere reflection of all that is also wrong in evangelicalism in places too. Like a mirror. So I don't think we should too quickly get to thinking we may not do the same thing in the other direction.
Toby is a well meaning loving believer. That is clear. It is just that we live in an age where what we feel tends to seem = what the Bible says. Here is the difference as i see it. What I see is America gets strong so that it helps Israel reach peace and safety. I think both sides (pro and con) can tend to be somewhat infatuated with Trump. We can tend to make it about America. And let NAR influence our thinking. That is totally eisegesis though to me. So what I believe is America gets strong and provides Isreal peace and safety. I cannot guarantee that will happen. Nor can I show you that verse. But based on how God has allowed humble saints to just look at what is going on, see the different view points, and where the obsessions can tend to be, we can possibly make a pretty good "conjecture" like guess. And that guess (see you guys if this won't happen--if we had an eschatology casino, I'd put everything I own on this--sure I can be wrong...but just see how this lines up with the NWO taking over the USA -- watch that totally not happen--i'm here in print clearly conjecturing, of course...watch the evangelical padded views on Rev 6 not go the way they think, I'm strongly guessing...just watch though...will see) that guess stands the most likely chance, I believe, of occurring, because I believe God wants us looking at Israel/Ez 38 (as one possibility), not Trump and American psyops and Qanon. To be this far into where we are and evangelicalism not even have an inkling that America could very well be about God's providence to empower Israeli to me is astounding. That silence, in my estimation, is totally deafening. Not that all of evangelicalism has to see that. But its just strange. As we seem to REFUSE to sort of speak...or just that it can tend to look that way. Well that's where the money goes to sort of speak. When the blind spot is that honking huge...we can possibly bet our bottom dollar...cha-ching! Conjecturally...of course...
Blessings.
Ronnie
I will follow him.
I hold this interpretation.
Ezekiel's temple vision is figurative or metaphorical.
Ezekiel’s temple vision in 40-48 is a figurative description of the heavenly reality of God’s presence in His heavenly temple...
https://cbtseminary.org/ezekiel-40-48-a-troublesome-temple-vision-hermeneutics-and-jesus-christ-brandt-athey/#:~:text=Ezekiel's%20temple%20vision%20in%2040,Acts%202).
Ezekiel's temple vision is figurative or metaphorical.
Ezekiel’s temple vision in 40-48 is a figurative description of the heavenly reality of God’s presence in His heavenly temple...
https://cbtseminary.org/ezekiel-40-48-a-troublesome-temple-vision-hermeneutics-and-jesus-christ-brandt-athey/#:~:text=Ezekiel's%20temple%20vision%20in%2040,Acts%202).
TCC
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Thanks Ronnie. Yeah there is a view in the somewhat dynamic omniscience of God view (lol...i know...$25 dollar seminary words but i think is more commonly understood to be from the Open Theism view...that God decides things revelatory as He goes--which is a whole other topic of course). In that Open view, it is understood that God would have done this or that, but in Israel's case, decided against it. So, no temple you guys.
I am not an open theist, but i do believe there is dynamic omniscience with God. Meaning just that I believe God knows all things but acts within the moment as sincerely as that moment (without its necessary conclusion on tap). I believe God can fully be in our moment with us with a genuine sense to us according to our moment. And not necessarily the thing we will do tomorrow that may change things. Obviously being God knowing everything would not impress Him. He would not need to flaunt that He knows everything. But deals with knowing everything "perfectly" in the current moment He shares with us.
In the view you share it would seem that there are 8 chapters to disclose the level of loss. To demonstrate just how much Israel did not get. And it be holy writ to them and to us as a reminder. I understand that view. I can empathize with that view. On some levels it makes sense. But i don't really share that view because to me it seems like a memorial period for Israel in the millennial kingdom.
So may i ask what is your view of the tribulation? Will a antichrist stop the Jews from animal sacrifices? Will he stand in the temple and proclaim he is god? Or how do you see that? Blessings.
Ronnie
I will follow him.
Oh, he's going to stand in the Holy Place of that I am assured, the "abomination that causes desolation".
Yes, the morning an the evening sacrifices will begin with the dedication of the Levi's with the ashes of the red heifer. The antichrist worships the god of forces.
Since the temple will be defiled and the Shechinah lifted (the Holy Spirit leave) the scrifices should cease, whether his will is to stop them, I don't know.
Yes, the morning an the evening sacrifices will begin with the dedication of the Levi's with the ashes of the red heifer. The antichrist worships the god of forces.
Since the temple will be defiled and the Shechinah lifted (the Holy Spirit leave) the scrifices should cease, whether his will is to stop them, I don't know.
