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Hi. Please allow me to introduce myself. I am Dead Horse Rising 
Great discussion guys. There is a relevant prophecy voice that believes that the MK (thanks for shortening that @Batman) temple and Tribulation temple are one and the same. I never heard that before. But that voice believes it will start on April 8, 2025 period likely. If we are still here, I would tend though to side with Ronnie on the temple in the tribulation is likely smaller and not the same as the MK version (while I would also like to affirm that I do not believe the temple starts in April...just noting that as a social artifcat of sorts in our day--albeit an apparent date like setting one...yuk). But I like what @Tall Timbers said about the typogrophy. Tall do you see the MK temple as the same as the tribulation one? I was not clear about that.
I don't see them as the same. But who knows. If Israel gets 1 state solution in our day, who knows what can happen. But I like @Ronnie take on not limiting God to fill the temple with His glory. Most pretribbers would not think in that way, self included. But there is something I can bring up that might tip the hat slightly in Ronnie's direction on that. With a caveat, of course, lol.
So during the last days I was a member of the JD Farag Forum, I only witnessed one person get banned as an outflow of my concern. Something I asked the moderators to look into. And that person ended up being banned. Kind of to my surprise. Because most either went away or changed their ways. But what that banned person tried to do with me is hep me see their view....by using a different avatar. I thought that was cute. lol. The way he saw the temple in the tribulation was filled with demons. lol. I hever heard that one before. So yeah perhaps when the AC enters it. But he meant when the two witnesses came timeframe. And the building of it. So I could not really sign on with that one.
But I do have an overture to that in my caveat. Back to Ronnie. So the way I look at things is if I am willing to swing far one direction, am I willing to consider its penguilium swing equal in the opposite direction? That is just me. Others don't have to do that. I'll be me, Others be others. Amen. But for me I use that as one way to witch hunt out my own potential derangements. Because I do travel into some pretty uncharted territory at times, I consider that to be 1 of a few ways to safetgaurd.
So Ronnie, you would be in a way that safegaurd. Because of the caveat I am going to intruduce. On the surface, I don't believe that God would fill that temple in the tribulation. But what I am open to is a deeper concern. And that would be that if God allows a red heifer to inaugurate a temple for the tribulation, how might God view what He is doing? On one hand God would be permitting a temple as a way to reintroduce things to Israel. Especially after God being mature would know He has blinded Israel in part not to see Christ. And since He would take the initiative on His own judgement, He might permit aspects of "what it means to this generation in Israel" after centuries of hardening. And in that, permit Israel perhaps some sense of His real presence in reforming them into play. On that note, I am a firm believer that when Isreal recognizes God as the victor over Ez 38, it is in Him being their Father. And not a reversal of the hardening. Which is an amazing thing to consider about our creator, amen. So in that sense, I do believe there could be ways God might manifest Himself to Isreal uniquely even during the tribulation. So I am open to that. Amen.
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THE CAVEAT
So recently Zak from the JD Shindig has made some good points on Babylon the Great potentially being actual Babylon in Iraq. I never thought of that as a serious view until this Shindig. I am not convinced, but am more open to that consideration because of developments in that region currently. And honestly, I'd be willing to trade my Babylon the Great view there for something else. Knowing it likely would not be a literal trade. But in hopes to provide those in the Zak camp on end times proper, I would hope that if Babylon the Great is Iraq, the sense of how vastly different that world will be than ours be a thing taken soberly. Because one of the major concerns I have with the Zak line item reasoning of end time proper perspective is the practice of blending the tribulation age into the age of grace. For I find that to be evengelicalisms greatest error (certainly not limited to Zak). But if we can say that Baylon the Great is Iraq, we can also say that that attests to a dispensation we are not a part of in the age of grace. Therefore blending Luciferian Light into the Age of Grace (in the Bab as Iraq perspective) might be more clearly seen as parlaying the tribulation into an age of grace where it is impossible for Iraq to be Bab the Great (in our current day and age). Lest his view think it can. I would rather hope in seeing how much it is not to be a helpful sober moment to consider that if we see Iraq as Bab the Great, it testifies to us that we are not in the age where Matt 24 false prophets work maximum supernatural deception in. For that reason I would almost be willing to give up my Bab the Great as America view. So if Zak is willing to take that contract..i've got a pen ready.
So you ask, Dead Horse Rising, how does that relate to Ronnie's point? Glad you asked. Because while reviewing alternative Bab the Great location views, I stumbled across that one where it is Israel. Now that I would seem to think even less probable than for it to be Iraq. However, since Zak has helped me to reopen consideration...I did. And I must say scripturally there are valid arguments for Israel to be Baby the Great. I don't exactly line up with that view. But if it has merit, it would mean that we have Israel protected by the AC Contract with a temple...maybe leaning Israel therefor more into a Baby the Great agneda or be nothing to do with how we normally Israel ine up with Old Testament ritual. Being that far out on a limb, would have me maybe even wonder to what degree that guy that got banned from JDF might have actually saw something. I would hate for someone so obnoxious as that cat that got banned to have scriptural truth anywhere in sight. But since I am willing to consider what that time might look like for Israel in the Israel as Bab the Great perspective, I would also have to pendulium alternative to perhaps it housing the glory of God too in some respect--considering if God might in some way fill His temple than. In general I favor a neutral view of Israeli religious practice in the tribulation temple. Meaning, it is just what they do. Maybe no base evil, and no base glory. Just their theme for the day, like
But there could also be an Israel that is religious and and Israel that is also Bab the Great as a government perspective too. So it gets kind of complicated....lol. But I am grateful to Ronnie, Zak, and even the JDF banned memeber for perking up new potential themes to--which all seem to hoover around Bab the Great and/or the temple. As it stands now for me, I just lean toward Isreal moving closer thematically to God bringing the 144k out of. So that would not lean me to believe Israel as Bab the Great. But I would admit that the lion mouth being a part of the beast in Rev 13 could not also be Baby the Great, if that Lion losing its wings is America. At the moment I am far more invested in America being the Daneil animal lion that lost its wings and also being the mouth of the dragon. At least on that point, Zak's Baby the Great take forces me to rethink my own inconsistencies. And Ronnie helping to edge things to consider too. For in some way after Ez 38, God is literally honored afresh in Israel. This could have temple implications. As well as how in the heck do we ever reconcile the whole world knowing God just saved Israel to be a part of the triublation age? But if Ez 38 immediately after effect is in the triublation, it would almost seem to start off with the world realizing who the true God of the Bible is. Ironic, no? lol. In any case got to run for now. Blessings you guys. Awesome discussion. Thanks and blessings.
Great discussion guys. There is a relevant prophecy voice that believes that the MK (thanks for shortening that @Batman) temple and Tribulation temple are one and the same. I never heard that before. But that voice believes it will start on April 8, 2025 period likely. If we are still here, I would tend though to side with Ronnie on the temple in the tribulation is likely smaller and not the same as the MK version (while I would also like to affirm that I do not believe the temple starts in April...just noting that as a social artifcat of sorts in our day--albeit an apparent date like setting one...yuk). But I like what @Tall Timbers said about the typogrophy. Tall do you see the MK temple as the same as the tribulation one? I was not clear about that.
I don't see them as the same. But who knows. If Israel gets 1 state solution in our day, who knows what can happen. But I like @Ronnie take on not limiting God to fill the temple with His glory. Most pretribbers would not think in that way, self included. But there is something I can bring up that might tip the hat slightly in Ronnie's direction on that. With a caveat, of course, lol.
So during the last days I was a member of the JD Farag Forum, I only witnessed one person get banned as an outflow of my concern. Something I asked the moderators to look into. And that person ended up being banned. Kind of to my surprise. Because most either went away or changed their ways. But what that banned person tried to do with me is hep me see their view....by using a different avatar. I thought that was cute. lol. The way he saw the temple in the tribulation was filled with demons. lol. I hever heard that one before. So yeah perhaps when the AC enters it. But he meant when the two witnesses came timeframe. And the building of it. So I could not really sign on with that one.
But I do have an overture to that in my caveat. Back to Ronnie. So the way I look at things is if I am willing to swing far one direction, am I willing to consider its penguilium swing equal in the opposite direction? That is just me. Others don't have to do that. I'll be me, Others be others. Amen. But for me I use that as one way to witch hunt out my own potential derangements. Because I do travel into some pretty uncharted territory at times, I consider that to be 1 of a few ways to safetgaurd.
So Ronnie, you would be in a way that safegaurd. Because of the caveat I am going to intruduce. On the surface, I don't believe that God would fill that temple in the tribulation. But what I am open to is a deeper concern. And that would be that if God allows a red heifer to inaugurate a temple for the tribulation, how might God view what He is doing? On one hand God would be permitting a temple as a way to reintroduce things to Israel. Especially after God being mature would know He has blinded Israel in part not to see Christ. And since He would take the initiative on His own judgement, He might permit aspects of "what it means to this generation in Israel" after centuries of hardening. And in that, permit Israel perhaps some sense of His real presence in reforming them into play. On that note, I am a firm believer that when Isreal recognizes God as the victor over Ez 38, it is in Him being their Father. And not a reversal of the hardening. Which is an amazing thing to consider about our creator, amen. So in that sense, I do believe there could be ways God might manifest Himself to Isreal uniquely even during the tribulation. So I am open to that. Amen.
. . . . .
THE CAVEAT
So recently Zak from the JD Shindig has made some good points on Babylon the Great potentially being actual Babylon in Iraq. I never thought of that as a serious view until this Shindig. I am not convinced, but am more open to that consideration because of developments in that region currently. And honestly, I'd be willing to trade my Babylon the Great view there for something else. Knowing it likely would not be a literal trade. But in hopes to provide those in the Zak camp on end times proper, I would hope that if Babylon the Great is Iraq, the sense of how vastly different that world will be than ours be a thing taken soberly. Because one of the major concerns I have with the Zak line item reasoning of end time proper perspective is the practice of blending the tribulation age into the age of grace. For I find that to be evengelicalisms greatest error (certainly not limited to Zak). But if we can say that Baylon the Great is Iraq, we can also say that that attests to a dispensation we are not a part of in the age of grace. Therefore blending Luciferian Light into the Age of Grace (in the Bab as Iraq perspective) might be more clearly seen as parlaying the tribulation into an age of grace where it is impossible for Iraq to be Bab the Great (in our current day and age). Lest his view think it can. I would rather hope in seeing how much it is not to be a helpful sober moment to consider that if we see Iraq as Bab the Great, it testifies to us that we are not in the age where Matt 24 false prophets work maximum supernatural deception in. For that reason I would almost be willing to give up my Bab the Great as America view. So if Zak is willing to take that contract..i've got a pen ready.
So you ask, Dead Horse Rising, how does that relate to Ronnie's point? Glad you asked. Because while reviewing alternative Bab the Great location views, I stumbled across that one where it is Israel. Now that I would seem to think even less probable than for it to be Iraq. However, since Zak has helped me to reopen consideration...I did. And I must say scripturally there are valid arguments for Israel to be Baby the Great. I don't exactly line up with that view. But if it has merit, it would mean that we have Israel protected by the AC Contract with a temple...maybe leaning Israel therefor more into a Baby the Great agneda or be nothing to do with how we normally Israel ine up with Old Testament ritual. Being that far out on a limb, would have me maybe even wonder to what degree that guy that got banned from JDF might have actually saw something. I would hate for someone so obnoxious as that cat that got banned to have scriptural truth anywhere in sight. But since I am willing to consider what that time might look like for Israel in the Israel as Bab the Great perspective, I would also have to pendulium alternative to perhaps it housing the glory of God too in some respect--considering if God might in some way fill His temple than. In general I favor a neutral view of Israeli religious practice in the tribulation temple. Meaning, it is just what they do. Maybe no base evil, and no base glory. Just their theme for the day, like
But there could also be an Israel that is religious and and Israel that is also Bab the Great as a government perspective too. So it gets kind of complicated....lol. But I am grateful to Ronnie, Zak, and even the JDF banned memeber for perking up new potential themes to--which all seem to hoover around Bab the Great and/or the temple. As it stands now for me, I just lean toward Isreal moving closer thematically to God bringing the 144k out of. So that would not lean me to believe Israel as Bab the Great. But I would admit that the lion mouth being a part of the beast in Rev 13 could not also be Baby the Great, if that Lion losing its wings is America. At the moment I am far more invested in America being the Daneil animal lion that lost its wings and also being the mouth of the dragon. At least on that point, Zak's Baby the Great take forces me to rethink my own inconsistencies. And Ronnie helping to edge things to consider too. For in some way after Ez 38, God is literally honored afresh in Israel. This could have temple implications. As well as how in the heck do we ever reconcile the whole world knowing God just saved Israel to be a part of the triublation age? But if Ez 38 immediately after effect is in the triublation, it would almost seem to start off with the world realizing who the true God of the Bible is. Ironic, no? lol. In any case got to run for now. Blessings you guys. Awesome discussion. Thanks and blessings.
