JD Farag Bible Prophecy Update

[Andy C]

Thanks brother. You got me reinterested in checking into the red heifer thing. Just a quick note on the article for:

What Does America’s Change Of Direction Mean In View Of Biblical Prophecy?​

"While it might be tempting to think there’s been a pause in the mad rush of events leading up to the start of the Tribulation period, the elite powerbrokers of our world remain busy. They are working behind the scenes to quickly set the stage for when they can openly enslave the world under their domain."

I agree with this but from a different stand point. So far I have only heard this once, recently from Christian Broadcast Network 1, that it looks likely America will be used to strengthen Isreal for their peace and safety needed to be obtained for Ez 38. In that respect, I guess I would place the emphasis on God stregthening America for the purpose of granting Isreal unprecidented peace and safety. Which, to me, would be in spite of what world leaders might be up to. I guess we will see. It is just that we usually look at how a strong America could not be in play at the Ez 38 timeframe. I understand that logic. But it would seem too though that without a strong America Israel would not really stand much of a chance of real peace and safety proper for Ez 38 to be set up for. It does kind of amaze me though how that is never looked at. But a prime ingredient to get Israel there. On the heels of this article, I would suggest "amen," to not thinking the rapture is further off. Only the Lord knows. But it would stand to reason in our day, that if things get better through a stronger America and peace and safety Israel, we all chill out...and then....you know...Ez 38 like. Guess we'll see. Blessings.

From the same article, I agree with the below:

“I suspect that the Gog/Magog attack will occur between the Rapture and the antichrist’s seven-year peace accord with Israel. Somehow, that will provide the perfect opportunity for him to offer the nation they cannot refuse, likely sweetened by allowing the Jewish people to build their temple.”

 

[TCC]

From the same article, I agree with the below:

“I suspect that the Gog/Magog attack will occur between the Rapture and the antichrist’s seven-year peace accord with Israel. Somehow, that will provide the perfect opportunity for him to offer the nation they cannot refuse, likely sweetened by allowing the Jewish people to build their temple.”

Over the course of some decades, I remember seeing and saying that I thought Israel's return was the most providential evidence of God's word being true. Many agreed. I was not even sure where I got that from. I would not know to look in Ez 36 & 37. It just sounded right in my soul. Al Mohler taught one session at Grace Commuity Church Sheperds Conference on Ez 37. And the takeaway was that Ezekiel would have been thought weird in his day. Al did not seem to know what Ez 37 even meant.

As well talked about in evangelicalism, it does amaze me though how Ez 38 seems to be somewhat as much of a massive blindside as Ez 37 was for Mohler back in the day years ago. We see it in print in this article. But in all the talk about Ez 38 and end times, Christian Broadcast News 1 is yet the only public voice that specifically said: America empowered will likely bring Israel to their peace and safety Ez 38 moment. That is extremely rare. It amazes me how that narrative is orphaned. I say this because this level of not seeing something so obvious and hugely obnoxiously loud, to me, implies it likely is the belwhether ingredient accomplishing prophecy...always there...ALWAYS flying under the radar...in spades.

I agree with your sense of AC arrival timing and attitude brother Andy. It makes sense. The other ironic thing possibly is, from what I have seen, is that the end time focus seems disproportionately on the AC, the beast system, and his false peace. I'm guessing this to be an Easter Egg like nugget by design. A mirage if we let it just be. Or as fine tuned if we go with more knowable scripture like Ez 38. Something we can literally watch fall into place if we care to vs. something wildly unknown how it all works (AC). To me, this in itself by design seems to be in His love. Showing us perhaps a mirror, likely knowing the most made sense comes from what is knowable, not that which is not so much...me thinks. Rev 12 shows a baby raptured and a mother fleeing. Almost to poetically imply, "the story of rapture timing." Maybe to find right sizing prophetic significance = Ez 38 first, AC second. Not only because it would likely play out this sequential way, but to see a fitting time of gentile church rapture, not knowing the day...might have its season pinpointed in things relating to Israel. Like Ez 38. I would guess them to be somewhat in sync.

Another way of saying that in adverse is, to see the AC timing (instead of what is on the ground going down with Israel) is perhaps to not see the rapture season so well. Well, maybe that is no more in-depth than a fortune cookie. But experientially, the Ez 38/AC timing thing, as an evangelical social artifcat in our day, might suggest likely this very idea to not just be a cookie. Blessings.

 

[dlcv]

13 - 15 March 2025​

If We're Still Here... Bible Prophecy Shindig Online this 15 March Reminder​

Schedule:

12pm - JB Hixson "The Great Last Days Apostasy: How The American Church Is Falling Away"
1pm - Jeff Solwold "Finding Grace In The Days Of Noah: Genesis 6"
2pm - Zak Spiro "Eden To End: The Mystery Religion Of Revelation 17"
3pm - Chris Quintana "The Biblical Case For Modern Israel"
4pm - Toby Stevens "The Doom & Gloom After The Boom & Zoom"
5pm - John Prescott "Dead And Deceived: The Dangers Of The 21st Century Church"
6pm - JD Farag "Q&A with JD Farag"

More information at https://www.wretchedwatchmen.com
This event is presented by Wretched Watchmen, NBW Ministries, Harpazo Clothing Company

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The Acceleration of Global Antisemitism: What Has Changed Since October 7, 2023?​

Series: 2025 Prophecy Conference
Speaker: Olivier Melnick

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Prophetic Imageries in Esther :: By Mark A. Becker​

In my own personal studies, I have seen quite a few Prophetic Imageries in Esther, some of which I would like to share with the reader. At first, this was a full study article, but I decided to whittle out some of the passages that were in the original article so that the Bible student will be able to find their own Prophetic Imageries in Esther in their own study time.

Prophetic Imageries in Esther :: By Mark A. Becker

The book of Esther is unique in two ways: First, it is only one of two books in the Word of God with a woman’s name attached to its title (Ruth being the

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Not just Alawites: Syrian Christians ‘hid under furniture’ to escape slaughter in the city of Homs​

Israeli Arab Evangelical offers insight into plight of Syria’s Christian community

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The New USAID: Trump's Development Finance Corporation​

While many are celebrating the "destruction" of USAID, it has only been folded into a new fascist program built to grant ownership and market share of public goods to banks, investment firms, equity groups & hedge funds...

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Bitcoin Reserve is a Government-Sponsored Ponzi Scheme​

“A digital Ft Knox”? Does that mean we can’t see what’s in it? The shady “Digital Asset Stockpile” reeks of a public-private con job even more than the “Bitcoin Reserve”.

Bitcoin Reserve is a Government-Sponsored Ponzi Scheme

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GENIUS Stablecoin Act: A Crony Capitalist Digital Currency, Backdoor CBDC​

is about propping up a failing dollar with a blockchain Band-Aid while handing obscene profits to the elite and creating a private version of CBDC.

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It's War: EU Accelerates Militarization, Boosts Economy as Automakers Shift to Military Industries​

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"I've Learned the Hard Way. Don't Mess with Pharma."​

The White House abruptly withdrew Trump's pick for CDC Director, Dr. Dave Weldon - former Congressman and long-time critic of the CDC's handling of vaccine safety data-hours before his Senate hearing.

"I've Learned the Hard Way. Don't Mess with Pharma."

The White House abruptly withdrew Trump's pick for CDC Director, Dr. Dave Weldon - former Congressman and long-time critic of the CDC's handling of vaccine safety data-hours before his Senate hearing.

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8 Pharmaceutical Giants Are Currently Developing New Bird Flu Vaccines After Trump USDA Unlocks $100 Million Investment​

“USDA will be hyper-focused on a targeted and thoughtful strategy for potential new generation vaccines, therapeutics, and other innovative solutions.”

8 Pharmaceutical Giants Are Currently Developing New Bird Flu Vaccines After Trump USDA Unlocks $100 Million Investment

“USDA will be hyper-focused on a targeted and thoughtful strategy for potential new generation vaccines, therapeutics, and other innovative solutions.”

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Scientists Develop Flying Microchips With Wings The Size Of Sand For Population Surveillance​

According to a recently published article in the journal Nature, these chips are touted as the smallest man-made flying structures ever created.

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According to a recently published article in the journal Nature, these chips are touted as the smallest man-made flying structures ever created.

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BREAKING NEWS: Slovak Government Official Claims DNA in Vaccines Turns People into "GMOs," Sparks Global Outrage​

"WE ARE NOT CORN!"

BREAKING NEWS: Slovak Government Official Claims DNA in Vaccines Turns People into "GMOs," Sparks Global Outrage

"WE ARE NOT CORN!"

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[Kaatje]

Harpazo Clothing Company

This struck my funny-bone:


Dress up for the way UP!


, back to thread.

 

[dlcv]

This struck my funny-bone:


Dress up for the way UP!


, back to thread.

At least we can answer the skeptics and critics saying rapture not in the bible, let me see if they dare to reject Greek harpazo word.


1 Thessalonians 4:17. “Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.”

ἁρπάζω

harpazō

Thayer Definition:

1) to seize, carry off by force
2) to seize on, claim for one’s self eagerly
3) to snatch out or away

Part of Speech: verb

 

[TCC]

At least we can answer the skeptics and critics saying rapture not in the bible, let me see if they dare to reject Greek harpazo word.


1 Thessalonians 4:17. “Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.”

ἁρπάζω

harpazō

Thayer Definition:

1) to seize, carry off by force
2) to seize on, claim for one’s self eagerly
3) to snatch out or away

Part of Speech: verb

And also in Rev 12:5 I believe, no?

 

[Kaatje]

Other places in the Bible where Harpazo is mentioned:

Acts 8:39 - Philip caught away‭‭ after baptizing the eunuch.

2 Cor. 12:2,4 - Paul caught up into third heaven, into paradise.

Rev. 12:5 - Manchild caught up to the throne of God

 

[Spartan Sprinter]

13 - 15 March 2025​

If We're Still Here... Bible Prophecy Shindig Online this 15 March Reminder​

Schedule:

12pm - JB Hixson "The Great Last Days Apostasy: How The American Church Is Falling Away"
1pm - Jeff Solwold "Finding Grace In The Days Of Noah: Genesis 6"
2pm - Zak Spiro "Eden To End: The Mystery Religion Of Revelation 17"
3pm - Chris Quintana "The Biblical Case For Modern Israel"
4pm - Toby Stevens "The Doom & Gloom After The Boom & Zoom"
5pm - John Prescott "Dead And Deceived: The Dangers Of The 21st Century Church"
6pm - JD Farag "Q&A with JD Farag"

More information at https://www.wretchedwatchmen.com
This event is presented by Wretched Watchmen, NBW Ministries, Harpazo Clothing Company

==========================

The Acceleration of Global Antisemitism: What Has Changed Since October 7, 2023?​

Series: 2025 Prophecy Conference
Speaker: Olivier Melnick

- YouTube

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Prophetic Imageries in Esther :: By Mark A. Becker​

In my own personal studies, I have seen quite a few Prophetic Imageries in Esther, some of which I would like to share with the reader. At first, this was a full study article, but I decided to whittle out some of the passages that were in the original article so that the Bible student will be able to find their own Prophetic Imageries in Esther in their own study time.

Prophetic Imageries in Esther :: By Mark A. Becker

The book of Esther is unique in two ways: First, it is only one of two books in the Word of God with a woman’s name attached to its title (Ruth being the

www.raptureready.com

Not just Alawites: Syrian Christians ‘hid under furniture’ to escape slaughter in the city of Homs​

Israeli Arab Evangelical offers insight into plight of Syria’s Christian community

Not just Alawites: Syrian Christians ‘hid under furniture’ to escape slaughter in the city of Homs

Israeli Arab Evangelical offers insight into plight of Syria’s Christian community

allisrael.com

===========================

The New USAID: Trump's Development Finance Corporation​

While many are celebrating the "destruction" of USAID, it has only been folded into a new fascist program built to grant ownership and market share of public goods to banks, investment firms, equity groups & hedge funds...

The New USAID: Trump's Development Finance Corporation

While many are celebrating the "destruction" of USAID, it has only been folded into a new fascist program built to grant ownership and market share of public goods to banks, investment firms, equity g

rumble.com

Bitcoin Reserve is a Government-Sponsored Ponzi Scheme​

“A digital Ft Knox”? Does that mean we can’t see what’s in it? The shady “Digital Asset Stockpile” reeks of a public-private con job even more than the “Bitcoin Reserve”.

Bitcoin Reserve is a Government-Sponsored Ponzi Scheme

“A digital Ft Knox”? Does that mean we can’t see what’s in it? The shady “Digital Asset Stockpile” reeks of a public-private con job even more than the “Bitcoin Reserve”. “Crypto Czar” David Sacks is

rumble.com

GENIUS Stablecoin Act: A Crony Capitalist Digital Currency, Backdoor CBDC​

is about propping up a failing dollar with a blockchain Band-Aid while handing obscene profits to the elite and creating a private version of CBDC.

GENIUS Stablecoin Act: A Crony Capitalist Digital Currency, Backdoor CBDC

The so-called "GENIUS Stablecoin Bill" — officially the Guiding and Establishing National Innovation for US Stablecoins — a bipartisan crew of crypto-connected senators, is about propping up a failing

rumble.com

"I've Learned the Hard Way. Don't Mess with Pharma."​

The White House abruptly withdrew Trump's pick for CDC Director, Dr. Dave Weldon - former Congressman and long-time critic of the CDC's handling of vaccine safety data-hours before his Senate hearing.

"I've Learned the Hard Way. Don't Mess with Pharma."

The White House abruptly withdrew Trump's pick for CDC Director, Dr. Dave Weldon - former Congressman and long-time critic of the CDC's handling of vaccine safety data-hours before his Senate hearing.

karenkingston.substack.com

8 Pharmaceutical Giants Are Currently Developing New Bird Flu Vaccines After Trump USDA Unlocks $100 Million Investment​

“USDA will be hyper-focused on a targeted and thoughtful strategy for potential new generation vaccines, therapeutics, and other innovative solutions.”

8 Pharmaceutical Giants Are Currently Developing New Bird Flu Vaccines After Trump USDA Unlocks $100 Million Investment

“USDA will be hyper-focused on a targeted and thoughtful strategy for potential new generation vaccines, therapeutics, and other innovative solutions.”

thewinepress.substack.com

Scientists Develop Flying Microchips With Wings The Size Of Sand For Population Surveillance​

According to a recently published article in the journal Nature, these chips are touted as the smallest man-made flying structures ever created.

Scientists Develop Flying Microchips With Wings The Size Of Sand For Population Surveillance

According to a recently published article in the journal Nature, these chips are touted as the smallest man-made flying structures ever created.

thewinepress.substack.com

We'll be here so should be a good conference LOL

 

[TCC]

We'll be here so should be a good conference LOL

That was precious. A beautiful and fun gesture. Looking forward to it.

 

[mattfivefour]

I personally have great concern with Zach Spiro and the division he brought into the prophecy community last fall. He made a lot of untrue and falsely judgemental statements about a number of solid prophecy teachers. That said, there are a couple of sound teachers who will be speaking at this conference, so I am allowing a reference to it to remain. But I would caution people against his site in general and to seek guidance from the Holy Spirit if ever listening to what Mr Spiro says. This is purely my view ... but spoken as a pastor, out of genuine concern for others.

 

[TCC]

I personally have great concern with Zach Spiro and the division he brought into the prophecy community last fall. He made a lot of untrue and falsely judgemental statements about a number of solid prophecy teachers. That said, there are a couple of sounds teachers who will be speaking at this conference, so I am allowing a reference to it to remain. But I would caution people against his site in general and to seek guidance from the Holy Spirit if ever listening to what Mr Spiro says. This is purely my view ... but spoken as a pastor, out of genuine concern for others.

I believe in a different and unrelated thread (sometimes i still get lost in these threads...lol) I recently deleted a post because it was likely as intense as I would find Zak might come across in his own stance, although going in the other direction. I removed it because even though I would see things that intensely (going the complete opposite way Jak sees things), the Lord has been working on my heart in coming out of complicated emotions related to a previous church history issue--having nothing to do with prophecy (but ministry philosophy proper). In 2 Thes there is a section there toward the end about distancing from the unruly. But treating them still as a brother. Granted, a difficult balance in any cuture. So, in reading through several commentaries, one huge theme stood out to me. This stood out to me as most salient to the true heart of God in the text.

Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges
15. Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother] Lit., And do not regard him as an enemy, &c. The R.V. retains “yet” in italics (“And yet”); but the contrast thus implied is not in St Paul’s thought, any more than in his language. The measure which he directs to be taken in 2 Thessalonians 3:14 is a saving measure, designed to bring the intractable man to a better mind—“that be may be ashamed.” Hence there must be no unkind feeling towards him, no bitter expression. This would provoke him to sullenness instead of shame, defeating the Apostle’s purpose. In its sympathy with St Paul the assembly might easily be stirred, on reading this letter, to some hostile demonstration that would cause a decisive rupture; this he deprecates.

What resonated most was the word and use of, sullen. I had to look it up...lol. That is exactly the radioactive decontamination bay I have been in for almost 2 decades now. I had no idea for years how "sullenness" calloused its virtue like liglty unnoticed tree barkish armor as a new layer upon my skin. Obviously, we are responsible for our own bad attitudes. And need always to take inventory. But Cambridge recognized what spirit 2 Thes 3 was of. Not calling down fire from heaven. But helping another to see.

The spirit of our age has creeped deepy into the church. As I have grotesque mutations of its effects from arenas of it having nothing to do with prophecy, I would not wish to continue sullenness in others as I was generously offered it. From many testimonies I know that a huge part of ministry philosphy at that church baked in sullen options if you choose door 2, or blessing and growth if you choose door 1. I have lived with what it looks like when the church literally plays God. For that pastor said to his congregation that God wanted him to be God to the church. Yet, does anybody even know he said that? lol. Nope.

So I see the sullen trap in now pretty much ministry 101 for our church age. But I am grateful to God for having gone through such depths to have to take such notice. In some ways it takes years being away from stuff like that to even see how we may be defensive inside. It of course does not help that that previous ministry I was in is super public..lol. Always making headlines. So its kinda like Hotel California (in some ways for me)...you can check out anytime you want...

Well, kind of saying that in gest. For the Lord does heal. But sometimes it takes a long time. So I removed my post because even though I would truly see some troubling things in the prophecy movement today (of which I believe pastor your have genuinely expressed), I would want Zak to extend to me the same courtesy of favor. Even though if how I differ were a Roadrunner episode, it would be the one where Wiley Coyote is lighting the fuse to a nuclear warhead...and it tips over...and explodes on top of him.

I am a proponent of not getting caught up in us vs. them. I am concerned though how easily it seems to be a part of "the way," proper, these days...just in general and as normal. There by the grace of God go all of us. Amen.

 

[1LoverofGod]

I personally have great concern with Zach Spiro and the division he brought into the prophecy community last fall. He made a lot of untrue and falsely judgemental statements about a number of solid prophecy teachers. That said, there are a couple of sound teachers who will be speaking at this conference, so I am allowing a reference to it to remain. But I would caution people against his site in general and to seek guidance from the Holy Spirit if ever listening to what Mr Spiro says. This is purely my view ... but spoken as a pastor, out of genuine concern for others.

God's Word is our guide on how to handle situations that someone is concerned about if a believer is committing a wrong doing.

"Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourself lest you also be tempted."
Galatians 6:1

It's appropriate if the wrongdoer has committed the wrong scripturally to rebuke their wrongdoing and correct them, but it must be done scripturally so we are not using our own interpretation of what is wrong, but using the Bible to point out the wrong makes any accusation valid and there's a proper way to address these issues, scripturally.

All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness
2 Timothy 3:16

We must be careful not to label a believer as a "false teacher or unsaved" because we have interpreted what we see as a wrong that way. That's why using scripture for correction and counsel is important, because God is never wrong.
If a wrong has been proven with scripture, our aim should be to win back and restore our brother to repentance and back in their approved walk with The Lord by God's Counsel.

19 "Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, 20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins."
James 5:19-20

Praying for this mess to be healed in The name of Jesus

 

[TCC]

God's Word is our guide on how to handle situations that someone is concerned about if a believer is committing a wrong doing.

"Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourself lest you also be tempted."
Galatians 6:1

It's appropriate if the wrongdoer has committed the wrong scripturally to rebuke their wrongdoing and correct them, but it must be done scripturally so we are not using our own interpretation of what is wrong, but using the Bible to point out the wrong makes any accusation valid and there's a proper way to address these issues, scripturally.h

All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness
2 Timothy 3:16

We must be careful not to label a believer as a "false teacher or unsaved" because we have interpreted what we see as a wrong that way. That's why using scripture for correction and counsel is important, because God is never wrong.
If a wrong has been proven with scripture, our aim should be to win back and restore our brother to repentance and back in their approved walk with The Lord by God's Counsel.

19 "Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, 20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins."
James 5:19-20

Praying for this mess to be healed in The name of Jesus

Amen sister. I think what we find like in the arena of eschatology is a trend where we get so into seeing it a certain way we are convinced this is absolutely what God is showing us. I'm actually a pretty good example of that, perhaps. Because the eschatology i wear on my sleeve likely looks kind of ridiculous I imagine to most...lol. When ministries have power and influence (beyond being just some barefoot, blue jeaned and carrying a surf board around an online forum type guy), and they get really hooked on their interpretation of things...it can breed factions. And it tends to. Those factions will have different intensely defended views. For me the way this is addressed in the word is listen more to those who are open to other views than their own. There is scripture for that in proverbs. Being teachable outside our own echo chamber...that is in proverbs too i believe. The less we are likely to do that, this is why i would see fundamentalism as problematic. I mean its like standard operating procedure in the church at large to be opinionated. And its kind of risen to the level of normal. So we have abnormal aggressive force called love and truth as definitions those who use such approaches find to be true biblically. This is not all that different than the American Reforemd Camps i came out of years ago.

I like Jak though. The advantage i have is i don't agree with anyone...lol. So its kind of easy for me to get over the hurdle. Its the entire world...lol. So if i want to have rapport, it would probably be with people living on the earth. So yeah, i am pretty used to differing views. And opinionated views etc. Like in this shindig, i will listen with teachable ears. Even though I am apposed to much of the based premises of evangelical eschatology. At this point, for me, it is more about how to best prep my heart in having conversations with those who have hugely different views. And in what way might God profit that conversation like. I believe it is more an exercise in that. And that goes for whether it is a shindig or Tom Hughes or Tip of the Spear, or Hibbs or Crone, or Jan Markel. They are all pretty similar. What i like about the shindig wing though is that it is more core essence ground zero. Kind of like the leading edge of likely where the Tom Hughes etc views may well likely end up with the roads they are traveling. And of course i will be over there across the street at the burger joint playing an entirely different game of pinball.

On the positive what i would share is this: THIS IS A GREAT SPICE OF LIFE MOMENT TO REALLY GET A SENE OF WHERE EVANGELICALISM MAY BE GOING. Because as not so mainstream as these brothers may be, i kind of see that their level of commitment is attractive to the middle of the road evangelical schools of eschatological thought. I Could imagine Jan Markel, Tom Hughes, (maybe not Hibbs because with Amir they lean too much toward Ez 38 to perhaps see much else--which i would maybe see as a saving grace preservative--in a sense...as it is a lot closer to my views). I would see these brothers as genuine thought leaders in evangelicalism. And for me, that is interesting. I look forward to them surprising me off of my expectations. Because God is alive in all our hearts. And moves in us diversely.

I am 100% diametrically alternative to those eschatological views...but I am very much open to whatever God might want to show me that might differ with how i see that might make more sense. I watch with open heart and open eyes. But my eschatological view is quite a bear to overcome. So i totally wish them luck. If we had a betting pool of: Would TCC be moved at least 10% in viewing, I would say place that bet. If you guys are doing bingo pools at home, the bingo card winner might be the one that actually has TCC moved at closer to 30% as a whole. I go in with that much legitimate openness to be changed. Because right now...where we are at...if my view were a title wave, i would say check out the movie Interstellar. For me, its that kind of title wave to overcome. Again though, i am rooting for them. With bingo cards with as much as 30% potential moves should any want to purchase cards, please visit www.Idon'tneedcardstowinatchess.com.-- I would say it may alternatively be like waving a 20 story red cape at a bull though. But i am honestly open. Blessings.

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PS -- Seriously Arnold Fruchtenbaum was at my church a gain a few weeks ago. I'm serious. And i asked him about Zephaniah 2 and if he thought that Gaza would become abandoned--like is that a prophecy for today. And he said, "Its already abandoned." lol. So um...at that point my mouth went into a sideways twitch like madd magazine. As this lines up with what JD Farag was thinking...i'll tell the rest of the story after the shindig. But i thought this would be a great serving T up for the shindig...being that Fruchtenbaum just kind of endorsed JD in my face, no less...thank you very much.

Blessings. A G A I N

 

[1LoverofGod]

Amen sister. I think what we find like in the arena of eschatology is a trend where we get so into seeing it a certain way we are convinced this is absolutely what God is showing us. I'm actually a pretty good example of that, perhaps. Because the eschatology i wear on my sleeve likely looks kind of ridiculous I imagine to most...lol. When ministries have power and influence (beyond being just some barefoot, blue jeaned and carrying a surf board around an online forum type guy), and they get really hooked on their interpretation of things...it can breed factions. And it tends to. Those factions will have different intensely defended views. For me the way this is addressed in the word is listen more to those who are open to other views than their own. There is scripture for that in proverbs. Being teachable outside our own echo chamber...that is in proverbs too i believe. The less we are likely to do that, this is why i would see fundamentalism as problematic. I mean its like standard operating procedure in the church at large to be opinionated. And its kind of risen to the level of normal. So we have abnormal aggressive force called love and truth as definitions those who use such approaches find to be true biblically. This is not all that different than the American Reforemd Camps i came out of years ago.

I like Jak though. The advantage i have is i don't agree with anyone...lol. So its kind of easy for me to get over the hurdle. Its the entire world...lol. So if i want to have rapport, it would probably be with people living on the earth. So yeah, i am pretty used to differing views. And opinionated views etc. Like in this shindig, i will listen with teachable ears. Even though I am apposed to much of the based premises of evangelical eschatology. At this point, for me, it is more about how to best prep my heart in having conversations with those who have hugely different views. And in what way might God profit that conversation like. I believe it is more an exercise in that. And that goes for whether it is a shindig or Tom Hughes or Tip of the Spear, or Hibbs or Crone, or Jan Markel. They are all pretty similar. What i like about the shindig wing though is that it is more core essence ground zero. Kind of like the leading edge of likely where the Tom Hughes etc views may well likely end up with the roads they are traveling. And of course i will be over there across the street at the burger joint playing an entirely different game of pinball.

On the positive what i would share is this: THIS IS A GREAT SPICE OF LIFE MOMENT TO REALLY GET A SENE OF WHERE EVANGELICALISM MAY BE GOING. Because as not so mainstream as these brothers may be, i kind of see that their level of commitment is attractive to the middle of the road evangelical schools of eschatological thought. I Could imagine Jan Market, Tom Hughes, (maybe not Hibbs because with Amir they lean too much toward Ez 38 to perhaps see much else--which i would maybe see as a saving grace preservative--in a sense...as it is a lot closer to my views). I would see these brothers as genuine thought leaders in evangelicalism. And for me, that is interesting. I look forward to them surprising me off of my expectations. Because God is alive in all our hearts. And moves in us diversely.

I am 100% diametrically alternative to those eschatological views...but I am very much open to whatever God might want to show me that might differ with how i see that might make more sense. I watch with open heart and open eyes. But my eschatological view is quite a bear to overcome. So i totally wish them luck. If we had a betting pool of: Would TCC be moved at least 10% in viewing, I would say place that bet. If you guys are doing bingo pools at home, the bingo card winner might be the one that actually has TCC moved at closer to 30% as a whole. I go in with that much legitimate openness to be changed. Because right now...where we are at...if my view were a title wave, i would say check out the movie Interstellar. For me, its that kind of title wave to overcome. Again though, i am rooting for them. With bingo cards with as much as 30% potential moves should any want to purchase cards, please visit www.Idon'tneedcardstowinatchess.com.-- I would say it may lalternatively be like waving a 20 story red cape at a bull though. But i am honestly open. Blessings.

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PS -- Seriously Arnold Fruchtenbaum was at my church a gain a few weeks ago. I'm serious. And i asked him about Zephaniah 2 and if he thought that Gaza would become abandoned--like is that a prophecy for today. And he said, "Its already abandoned." lol. So um...at that point my mouth went into a sideways twitch like madd magazine. As this lines up with what JD Farag was thinking...i'll tell the rest of the story after the shindig. But i thought this would be a great serving T up for the shindig...being that Fruchtenbaum just kind of endorsed JD in my face, no less...thank you very much.

Blessings. A G A I N

My comment you quoted isn't about differing views or opinions. They will be out there and many good solid Bible teachers don't always agree on certain interpretation of prophecy and that's expected especially since it's prophecy that hasn't yet happened and nobody really knows whether their interpretation is the correct one until it happens.

My point in my comment is that whenever we as believers see or think we see error in another believer, there's an appropriate way of handling it and the use of Scripture as I pointed out is the best way to address what we believe is in error.
To publicly make accusations and only use Scripture to support why wrongdoers should be exposed and not use scripture to support what the actual error or wrongdoing is, is not appropriate.
And to further the problem, by labeling the accused as false teachers or apostate or not believers at all because there's disagreement on something that is not being based on scripture but on secular documents and articles is not appropriate.

I'm not saying these things based on my personal feelings, it's biblical.

I don't have anything personal against anyone who is in error on either side, but I find it important to always stick to scripture so as to not cause unnecessary division that hurts the Body of Christ.

 

[TCC]

My comment you quoted isn't about differing views or opinions. They will be out there and many good solid Bible teachers don't always agree on certain interpretation of prophecy and that's expected especially since it's prophecy that hasn't yet happened and nobody really knows whether their interpretation is the correct one until it happens.

My point in my comment is that whenever we as believers see or think we see error in another believer, there's an appropriate way of handling it and the use of Scripture as I pointed out is the best way to address what we believe is in error.
To publicly make accusations and only use Scripture to support why wrongdoers should be exposed and not use scripture to support what the actual error or wrongdoing is, is not appropriate.
And to further the problem, by labeling the accused as false teachers or apostate or not believers at all because there's disagreement on something that is not being based on scripture but on secular documents and articles is not appropriate.

I'm not saying these things based on my personal feelings, it's biblical.

I don't have anything personal against anyone who is in error on either side, but I find it important to always stick to scripture so as to not cause unnecessary division that hurts the Body of Christ.

Amen dear sister. Well i got so much into what i was saying i probably went like totally into the next country. Sorry about that. Can you tell? I'm a bit excited. But dear sister everything you shared is accurate and biblical. The only thing I would add to that is: If it becomes public, there are principles that apply publicly too. Like damage control. Not our own. But in hopes to protect others if missinfo is sold as thus sayeth the Lord like.

Forgive me please if I got carried away. Your point is lovely and genuine. I came from the hardcore school of witchhunters from 2047. That's right. We travel back in time to get our witches. We roll like that. But on a serious note the church I belonged to ate cults for breakfast. And have royal court access to THE best witch hunts going...this side of the Mississippi. Literally it would be considered rather immature the level of hurtful banter that the whole name calling things does. These people I know are super connected. Like the electric company. Like the policy department. Like the CIA etc. No joke. This is real. So that is why I say 2047. Because next to the real witchhunters, 2024/25 is 3rd grade ya'll...lol. Ok so that was way too fun NOt to say. But if it is any concession, I am so over that whole buffy and the vampire slayers stage of my life. But those high end witchunters? They have some pretty bad doctrine too. And could qualify for their own hunts. Which is why since I have been to 2047 and back, why I say ya'll we in Ladicea. Ya'll have no idea..lol.

Well thanks sister for tolerating my strange science banter. And with your level of heart toward scripture I imagine you are quite patient with me. and

 

[1LoverofGod]

Amen dear sister. Well i got so much into what i was saying i probably went like totally into the next country. Sorry about that. Can you tell? I'm a bit excited. But dear sister everything you shared is accurate and biblical. The only thing I would add to that is: If it becomes public, there are principles that apply publicly too. Like damage control. Not our own. But in hopes to protect others if missinfo is sold as thus sayeth the Lord like.

Forgive me please if I got carried away. You point is lovely and genuine. I came from the hardcore school of witchhunters from 2047. That's right. We travel back in time to get our witches. We roll like that. But on a serious note the church I belonged to ate cults for breakfast. And have royal court access to THE best witch hunts going...this side of the Mississippi. Literally it would be considered rather immature the level of hurtful banter that the whole name calling things does. These people I know are super connected. Like the electric company. Like the policy department. Like the CIA etc. No joke. This is real. So that is why I say 2047. Because next to the real witchhunters, 2024/25 is 3rd grade ya'll...lol. Ok so that was way too fun NOt to say. But if it is any concession, I am so over that whole buffy and the vampire slayers stage of my life. But those high end witchunters? They have some pretty bad doctrine too. And could qualify for their own hunts. Which is why since I have been to 2047 and back, why I say ya'll we in Ladicea. Ya'll have no idea..lol.

Well thanks sister for tolerating my strange science banter. And with your level of heart toward scripture I imagine you are quite patient with me. and

I have learned to always refer to scripture to settle anything because God's Word covers everything under the sun with a wisdom that comes from The Creator of every living thing and His Word provides information to settle matters of any kind like a double edged sword.
If we aren't sure about something, check scripture and see what God says about it.

"Test all things; hold fast what is good."
1 Thessalonians 5:21

Blessings to you brother.

 

[TCC]

Congrats @dlcv for breaking 8,000 views on this thread. I imagine it going a quite a bit higher in reference to this conference. I'm enjoying it. So far only got as far as Zak. His studies are much in line with so much I was looking into several years back. On the positive I'd like to share that Zak has moved me 30% on my view. I watched his part so far twice. Perhaps I will get into that on another thread. Although Rev 17 7/8 kings might have some contrast for me (such as would we consider Persia, liberating Israel, and Greece heads of the dragon?). Where he makes a much stronger case I believe is Babylon the Great, with the Iraqi Silk Road. Great stuff.

https://www.jewishhistory.org/alexander-the-great/
Greece & Israel

Iraq to finish phase one of Faw port project this year: Ministry
Iraqi Silk Road

Enhancing supply chain efficiency: The impact of the India-Middle East-Europe economic corridor
US Backed Iraqi Silk Road Contender

That consideration had me realize that I believe America = The lion that lost its wings and stood up like a man (Daniel). If so, the harlot rides the beast with a mouth like a lion. So it would seem America to be a part of the beast she rides...not being herself the beast she rides. This is a huge reconsideration for me. The objective main overall difference (even though I think Zak did an excellent job), is why I would consider a tendency to see so much of the evil agenda AS the only place we might see God is in just letting it all roll out. Whereas I believe God in person has a much grander roll in His last days in Age of Grace than just what we might dutively invest in how bad evil can be in our age. I believe there is a danger there that can shift as much away from God as actor in our age too and effect things in what we think we see with as much as Zak has his godly concern from where he does come from that is admirable. The ultimate outcome of that can be super vastly different. That is the main thing I would hope the misfit view consider more. But moving me so far into reconsidering Bab the Great is not an easy thing to do with all the noise in my head. So Kudos to Zak.

In that I am not sold completely that Iraq will have a rebuild of Bab the Great. But I do believe it is a healthy contender to consider. Where I never came to that place before. With 1 caveat though. For Bab the Great to literally be Iraq, that means that that world economy will become vastly different than our age of grace experience. And I would hope that in as much as my very long held strong views are open for change if warranted, I would just hope that the fact is Iraq will not control ecomonies in this dipensation. Maybe in the tribulation. And to please consider that God is still who He is "for age of grace consideration," not under the Bab the Great economy. If we can make peace with that distinction (that there is perhaps a far greater difference between the age of grace and the tribulation age), I believe we can have room for gnostic threats AND But God in His Age of Grace, simultanously. This has always been my "dangerous" proposition/invitation." Blessings.

PS (& example) -- My sister became a born again Christian early in her life. Over the years she had drifted away from Him. But several years ago she came back and has a very deep sincerely and lovely honest heart in Him. She said, what brought her back was watching The Shack. lol. I am not validating that movie. I never saw it. I agree with Jak's concern on that movie. She knows God is not female. But in contrast to info, it was the "character" of God brought a fresh (because she had eyes in the spirit of Him), she was moved to love so much more deeply. Not in following a pagan god. But because the real One used temporality to transcend her differences.

And just like some profound Christians had been led to Christ through some efforts put forth by Jordan Peterson (whom I do not consider to be a believer--but moved a very academic heavy head/heart from being an atheist to a genuine believer and start a YouTube channel witnessing about Jesus Christ and the gospel...and in part God did use Peterson [whom the atheist would not consider a believer] where others perhaps could not reach into the psyche so deep for that athiest). If we make what we think is going on about our understanding of it transcending But God in our era, we are possibly transcending in the wrong direction in ways and at times. We should be transcending ourselves. Yes. But God, not. I guess is how it might be best epxresed. Double blessings.

 

[Meldegee]

During Zak's Shindig, Pastor JD mentioned he had a link to a 5 hour 9/11 video from the 9.11.22 prophecy update. Can someone please direct me to that video, as I can't seem to locate it. The links I see on the "notes" for that prophecy don't have a 5 hr video. Thank you!

 

[Margery]

During Zak's Shindig, Pastor JD mentioned he had a link to a 5 hour 9/11 video from the 9.11.22 prophecy update. Can someone please direct me to that video, as I can't seem to locate it. The links I see on the "notes" for that prophecy don't have a 5 hr video. Thank you!

I have not gotten that far in the shindig. Could it be some other reference to 5 hours? Like the amount of footage he looked through to put together the info? I was on his forum and very active during that time. I don't recall ever coming across a JD Farag 5 hour video before. if anyone knows of one, please recommend. Otherwise there is this one I remember seeing. I provide this because I think it is helpful to consider all perspective in the true body dynamic. By sharing this I do not endorse its findings. I love the fact that pastor JD is willing to go out on a limb to challenge our faith and unbelief. in sharing this I would just say that I am more of a missionary approach to culture contender. And I am of the school of thought that believes we should try to relate to the culture as close to where they might understand. Not seeker friendly. Just seeker relevant I reckon. I would understand most of the country does not believe 911 was an inside job. I do. But because most of the country would not see that, I would not see this approach as misional. although God uses (as I noted in my post above) things that are not. To shame the things that are. So, yeah...lol...this can be that. Amen. I put "lol" in there because when this came out, it caused quite a stir. And extended conversations over a year later, no less. Please if anyone has a concern with this, we can remove the link. I just think it is healthy to be ok with discussion we seek to temper even if we see differently....even in strong ways. Hope that makes sense. Blessings.

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I think in the interests of keeping things out of argument territory, anything controversial about 911 might be best not posted, especially a link to a video. We ask that any links posted stay within the board guidelines. Zak The Wretched Watchman is actually mentioned in the guidelines and @mattfivefour see post 270 above, has permitted some reference to this conference which he participates in, but lets stay out of 911 stuff.

 

[Andy C]

I think in the interests of keeping things out of argument territory, anything controversial about 911 might be best not posted, especially a link to a video. We ask that any links posted stay within the board guidelines. Zak The Wretched Watchman is actually mentioned in the guidelines and @mattfivefour see post 270 above, has permitted some reference to this conference which he participates in, but lets stay out of 911 stuff.

Great call. JDs views on 9/11 are waaaaaay out there. Sad really.