JD Farag Bible Prophecy Update

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14 Nov - 16 Nov 2024

066. Debunking Antisemitic Conspiracy Theories​

Olivier Melnick joins Dr. Hixson to debunk some of the most egregious antisemitic conspiracy theories.

1066. Debunking Antisemitic Conspiracy Theories

Olivier Melnick joins Dr. Hixson to debunk some of the most egregious antisemitic conspiracy theories. https://www.shalominmessiah.com/ https://nbwministries.myshopify.com/ Spirit of the Antichrist Vo

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Refuting the Great Lie About Our "Blessed Hope"​

It’s the most persistent lie concerning the Rapture. I have either read or heard it more times than I can count.

Refuting the Great Lie About Our "Blessed Hope" — Jonathan Brentner

Though it’s been debunked countless times, a great many saints remain convinced that the doctrine of the pre-Tribulation Rapture originated with John Darby. Although they insist that no one believed in such a thing before him, it’s simply not true. Let me be clear: If anyone tells you that this tea

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Emergent 10 Kings: Endtime Election Escapades, Part 2 :: By Wilfred Hahn​

Prophecy students know that the “10 kings” will emerge rapidly and suddenly.

Emergent 10 Kings: Endtime Election Escapades, Part 2 :: By Wilfred Hahn

Over half of the world's population is slated to hold national elections in 2024. Is this significant? As we see it, this contributes to the growing

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Two State: The Time Of Evil​

The latest news coming out from Trump's camp is that the plans for the 2020 middle east peace plan is back on the table meaning the division of Israel...

Two State: The Time Of Evil

The latest news coming out from Trump's camp is that the plans for the 2020 middle east peace plan is back on the table meaning the division of Israel... We also discuss the fact that God does use evi

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Experts Link Voice of God Recordings to Death Cults Worldwide - Shakahola Massacre​

A recent exposé on the global impact of a specific movement inspired by teachings with an apocalyptic focus.

Experts Link Voice of God Recordings to Death Cults Worldwide - Shakahola Massacre

LINK TO FULL ARTICLE BELOW: In November 2024, investigative journalist Emily Hamer, reporting for Lee Enterprises, released a groundbreaking article titled Mass starvation, a doomsday colony: 'The Mes

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CBDC Outsourced to Public/Private Partnership for Blockchain Carbon Taxes​

A look at the personnel that make up the Trump team — a Who's Who of ESG, green-grifting crypto technocrats

CBDC Outsourced to Public/Private Partnership for Blockchain Carbon Taxes

A look at the personnel that make up the Trump team — a Who's Who of ESG, green-grifting crypto technocrats who've been pushing carbon taxes combined with blockchain. It looks like CBDC will be outsou

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Flu Vaccines Are NOT Vaccines Per New CDC Flu Vaccine Campaign​

Is the CDC hedging against the planned release of the H5N1 vaccines?

Flu Vaccines Are NOT Vaccines Per New CDC Flu Vaccine Campaign

Is the CDC hedging against the planned release of the H5N1 vaccines, knowing that these vaccines will receive full FDA approval without the review of any safety or efficacy data in humans or animals?

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Another warning about the so-called miracle weight loss drugs​

Why won’t anyone listen to my warning about the so-called miracle weight loss drugs? How many people will die?

Another warning about the so-called miracle weight loss drugs - The Expose

Why won’t anyone listen to my warning about the so-called miracle weight loss drugs? How many people will die? By Dr. Vernon Coleman A few weeks ago I published an article entitled `The Scary, Startling Truth about `wonder drugs’ semaglutide and tirzepatide’. In the old days, I’d have published...

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Tips for any patient taking a prescription drug​

For anyone taking prescription medicine, among other practical tips Dr. Vernon Coleman offers is Coleman’s First Law of Medicine

Tips for any patient taking a prescription drug - The Expose

For anyone taking prescription medicine, among other practical tips Dr. Vernon Coleman offers is Coleman’s First Law of Medicine: Be on the lookout for side effects, if you seem to develop new symptoms the chances are high they are due to the medication you are taking. By Dr. Vernon Coleman 1...

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Israel Considers Rapid Phase-Out Of 200-Shekel Banknote And Limits On Precious Metals To Combat Fraud​

As part of fight against black market money, officials considering eliminating highest denomination of Israeli currency soon and gradually phasing out cash entirely

Israel Considers Rapid Phase-Out Of 200-Shekel Banknote And Limits On Precious Metals To Combat Fraud

As part of fight against black market money, officials considering eliminating highest denomination of Israeli currency soon and gradually phasing out cash entirely; plan includes voluntary disclos…

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Military Analyst Group Once Forecast A 70% Drop In US Population By 2025 Due To An Economic Collapse​

Deagel.com, a military intelligence and weapons analytics website, once published a devastating prediction that forecast that by the year 2025 a number of nations around the world would face mass-depopulation

Military Analyst Group Once Forecast A 70% Drop In US Population By 2025 Due To An Economic Collapse

“The population will be hit so badly by a full array of bubbles and ponzi schemes that the migration engine will start to work in reverse accelerating itself due to ripple effects thus leadin…

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[Andy C]

As good Bereans, we have a duty to check it out and vett the content

Does checking out news sources, or personal opinions written by Drs make us a berean, or is being a berean one who deeply studies scripture?

 

[Meldegee]

There is a helpful feature in place that provides a table of contents component to this thread. We are able to look up posts done per user.

Thank you! I never would have seen this feature on my own. This may be helpful for me if all JDF sermons/updates will be kept in this single thread, as there are usually 3 per week. I often re-listen to his sermons and like to go back and reread the discussions from others; I have a feeling I will be scrolling......!

 

[TCC]

The only reason I know is because I tend to try and find a way to get like the soundbite of something. Which may not be the best approach in life, especially these days. But I really like Dicv's ministry even though I am typically the village contrarian. His heart, zeal, and diligence is commendable. So when I saw he made it over here, I racked my brain to see if there is a way to approach his posts in a timeline like fashion. Thanks for the encouragement. I am so glad it is helpful to others. Please keep in mind the only downside to this is if Dicv posts in other threads...making it a bit more to sort through. But my experience with Dicv on JDF indicates he is not a madd poster like myself and has had a very respectable lean but consistent posting record. Blessings.

Oh yeah...PS...from what I know the JD video postings are mostly the PUD vids. Not necessarily all 3 sermons during the week. I could be mistaken. But I guess will see how Dicv approaches the thread as we go. In any event, it is pretty awesome to have this live active thread a runnin. Amen.

 

[TCC]

Does checking out news sources, or personal opinions written by Drs make us a berean, or is being a berean one who deeply studies scripture?

If it were not 2024 Andy, I might tend to say yeah berean likely refers more to scripture. During the years of 2019 to 2021 I was kind of burnt out on sermons. I had heard thousands by that time, and what I noticed is an interest over the years forming in my heart to prefer scholars debating with each other and leave the pastoral level of sermons behind me. Not in pride. I guess I would have looked at it like the pastoral level in America proper seems to be the Masters Degree take (culling data and coming out with an informed take...but tended to often be challenged by bias--not that doctoral levels don't have bias). Whereas at the doctoral levels, sure there would be bias, but at least doctoral peers could contrast and weigh in and having a better understanding of what the arguments really are at least be worthy the trouble to better discover. In this way, I would have been more interested in looking at biblical theological significance premarily through linguistics, grammar, original language, historical accuracy, sociological accuracy, relevance of customs and idioms etc. at the doctoral levels. But who has time to do all of that exegesis? lol. So I'm kind of glad to have found Andy Woods because he helped take me by the hand and lead me by peaceful waters of making sermons great again in as far as my openness and receptivity to the sermon level take would be open.

Well I post the above because I am just wanting to be helpful in providing a background to the sentimental journey of what being a berean shaped up like for me over the years. But since it is 2024 for another couple of minutes, there seems to have arisen quite the wild card for me to be blindsided by. Providence. Prior to 2018 I would have seen Providence as tricky, maybe even a fickle way to understand things. Because we could "read" so much into that baby. But over the last 5 plus years it would seem to be the case that Providence likely has a hermeneutical seat at the eschatological table. Seeing what evangelicalism makes of end times (all the various takes + the sensationaling), I started to see that providence seems to imply at times a pinch of sober discernment not necessarily found so easily in the thought processes of the typical theological terrain we had grown somewhat more comfortable with in general over the decades. So yeah, it was kind of a shocker to see that as a cessationist. Because Providence seems to be too much of an open architecture to not be gridlocked with all kinds of bias. But I guess what I could say is that if we look at Providence painstakingly as much we much or could for its own sake (like keeping it really simple and basci) it tends to tell its own story...not at all inconsistent with the biblical record. Yet, seemingly a rather flamboyant entry way into the process. So of course with it all the superstition (well founded as well as not so much) we might imagine that would go with trying to understand the bible by newspaper headlines (which would seem to scream: Providence before theology). Something I would find very amateurish. Yet, even so, still...there does seem to be a sober element that rises to the top like cream in considering providence's potential seat at the eschatogical table. And maybe even as much as being at times a more unbiased witness and approach (challenging all manner of perhaps less than healthy presupposition any one of us might have--being human) than overly treaded theological assumption. If that makes sense? lol. I laugh because even to me the one saying it, it sounds like a lot of heuristic grammatical baggage (what was kind of hieroglyphically expressed above in age of romance like language).

So I guess I am saying all that to suggest that the parameters of "being a Berean" might favor including the challenge of bias. And one really good sharpening tool for that is the practice of evaluating even what might seem off or even obsurd regularly as a rule. To rule out or to gain maybe just a dash or touch of this or that from language we had...well...no language for prior concerning. And in that sense, a cacophany of data would be required to navigate perhaps the potential of the more real possibly nestled in all its silhouette. Yes long way around to the city. Not a direct path at all. A much more long distance trail forged around the mountain. Extenuated scientific notation rather than quick deduction for sure. But to get at what we don't know we don't know requries someone to do the heavy lifting. And since we live in an age of the podcaster being more powerful than the liavathan sized network media (David vs Golliath motif), the unfortunate take away in that is likely: we do the heavy lifting liavathan might have wanted us to think had already been done. IMHO. There does seem to be quite a premium these days on challenging our own bias. Not to the point of becoming a post modern man seeing through everything so as to see nothing. But perhaps only as far as we might just see something else we had not noticed before. Because if there were a time for that. Today would be that day though. No? Blessings.

 

[Andy C]

A berean is one who takes what they are taught, and compares this info with scripture, to ensure it lines up with scripture.

 

[TCC]

A berean is one who takes what they are taught, and compares this info with scripture, to ensure it lines up with scripture.

Amen. Being more nobly minded. So there is a good example I like to use with this. But it is kind of a not fair one because there is a logical fallacy in me using it. We are not at the end of the journey looking back. But lets look at the Abraham Accords. Most evangelical watchers see that "primarily" as the covenant the AC strengthens. And then looks at events in the middle east through that grid. If the Abraham Accords most salient value is: Contract AC strengthens...and lets use that as a heuristic...then we have a problem. Because yes it does line up with scripture. But on all counts? Or just one count? Who's counting anyway? lol.

The way I see the Abraham Accords line up with scripture is God's testimony to the biblical line of Ishmeal being tapped on the shoulder as a providential reminder of Abraham in their lives. Because they won't accept the Jewish construction of the old testament. But they will accept the blessing God did biblically give Ishmeal. Just like Israel in their unbelief and God rebuilding them a country and giving it popeye spinach, so it would seem God offering opportunity to the Arab world (so many have come to Christ in the last decade) to "remember" what in their custom actually is biblical. And highlight that for them. Otherwise, they can stay in unbelief and trudge through the tribulation if they like. Or they could notice something providentially powerful is happening. The Accords up against the backdrop of Israel (how they might see it). God tells us in Romans 1 that general revelation holds all men accountable. Well, to me the Abraham Accords lines up with Romans 1 too. Even further it lines up with Ezekiel 33:11.

So matching up with scripture to me means: Genesis 16, Romans 1, and Ezekeiel 33:11 before it ever enters my mind to bring Daniel 9:27. So to me, the Abraham Accords is a biblical billboard I would expect from the God we know to testify of Himself before Jew and Gentile. And what lines up with scripture there is the testimony of God...not the AC. That is not to say that it won't line up with AC later perhaps. So is being a Berean ignoring Genesis 16, Romans 1, and Ezekiel 33 because we "prefer" low hanging fruit: Daniel 9? Is that really being a Berean? As an example. Blessing.s

 

[Hol]

The way I see the Abraham Accords

I've never bought into the conspiracy theorists who shrink back from Pres. Trump's success in developing negotiable dialogues between Arab nations and Israel. I've noticed they are finding endless fault with that deal. It was for trade, but the conspiracy theorists stick to citing it's an effort to divide the land. What if the 2020 deal focused on making Gaza the State of Palestine? I'd suggest we don't know how a State of Palestine was to be achieved, but Israel gave them Gaza years earlier. Trump favored Israel settling the West Bank. Perhaps the Abraham Accords will be the deal that the AC affirms, but I'm old enough to remember the Camp David Accords and other agreements. I don't think anyone knows what the deal is yet, a new one may show up after Israel wins the war with Iran . I guess it's bothersome to me how preachers who love conspiracy always use the Abraham Accords to berate Pres. elect Trump.

@TCC you have taken the simple concept of how Bereans were careful to compare what Apostle Paul was teaching with Hebrew Bible and inserted some complex experiences you've had, specifically your use of providence:

the wild card for me to be blindsided by. Providence

None of us can grasp the Bible without the help of the Holy Spirit, not even the Apostles would claim that. "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and remind you of all that I said to you." John 14:26. I don't know what you mean by 'providence' but only God holds the future (and present).

I apologize if I come off as harsh at all. I admit that I'm feeling impatient with how those who preach conspiracy theory get people turned into pretzels over simple concepts. Have you noticed a few things these type of preachers have in common? They feel an urgency to bring up wild theories each time they are at the pulpit; they love to cite highly credentialed 'experts' and they claim their eyes were 'open' once they were shown that things are not what they seem. Their followers not only get sucked in, but they create their own complex rabbit holes and inflated ideas of spiritual matters.

None of us see the spiritual warfare all around us, undoubtedly scary stuff. We can choose to trust God, study our Bibles, pray, and stay in fellowship. When I've listened to preachers who love conspiracies, they may have a 90% biblical message, but their passion for conspiracies never inspires us to remember that God is fully trustworthy and we are empowered to pray for His will to be done. When I'm inspired to trust Jesus more and the Bible (that does not shy away from many awful things are happening behind the scenes) then I give Him any conspiracy that comes my way.

 

[Andy C]

Have you noticed a few things these type of preachers have in common? They feel an urgency to bring up wild theories each time they are at the pulpit; they love to cite highly credentialed 'experts' and they claim their eyes were 'open' once they were shown that things are not what they seem. Their followers not only get sucked in, but they create their own complex rabbit holes and inflated ideas of spiritual matters.

Amen, so true, which is why I seldom give any of those popular end times teachers more than a quick view. One in particular probably has half his congregation selling everything and spending all their money because “this is it”. How disappointing it must be to hear the same “were going home any second now” every week for the last several years. I have heard their message, and being a berean, I pour through the scriptures, and cant find a single verse stating when the rapture is.

 

[Margery]

Amen. Being more nobly minded. So there is a good example I like to use with this. But it is kind of a not fair one because there is a logical fallacy in me using it. We are not at the end of the journey looking back. But lets look at the Abraham Accords. Most evangelical watchers see that "primarily" as the covenant the AC strengthens. And then looks at events in the middle east through that grid. If the Abraham Accords most salient value is: Contract AC strengthens...and lets use that as a heuristic...then we have a problem. Because yes it does line up with scripture. But on all counts? Or just one count? Who's counting anyway? lol.

The way I see the Abraham Accords line up with scripture is God's testimony to the biblical line of Ishmeal being tapped on the shoulder as a providential reminder of Abraham in their lives. Because they won't accept the Jewish construction of the old testament. But they will accept the blessing God did biblically give Ishmeal. Just like Israel in their unbelief and God rebuilding them a country and giving it popeye spinach, so it would seem God offering opportunity to the Arab world (so many have come to Christ in the last decade) to "remember" what in their custom actually is biblical. And highlight that for them. Otherwise, they can stay in unbelief and trudge through the tribulation if they like. Or they could notice something providentially powerful is happening. The Accords up against the backdrop of Israel (how they might see it). God tells us in Romans 1 that general revelation holds all men accountable. Well, to me the Abraham Accords lines up with Romans 1 too. Even further it lines up with Ezekiel 33:11.

So matching up with scripture to me means: Genesis 16, Romans 1, and Ezekeiel 33:11 before it ever enters my mind to bring Daniel 9:27. So to me, the Abraham Accords is a biblical billboard I would expect from the God we know to testify of Himself before Jew and Gentile. And what lines up with scripture there is the testimony of God...not the AC. That is not to say that it won't line up with AC later perhaps. So is being a Berean ignoring Genesis 16, Romans 1, and Ezekiel 33 because we "prefer" low hanging fruit: Daniel 9? Is that really being a Berean? As an example. Blessing.s

I disagree with you agreeably on the Berean post before this - Being a Berean means checking every claim against scripture. That would include seeing our world thru a Biblical framework. I get tired of sermons too, but the thing I don't tire of, is the Bible.

It's kind of like the bank tellers being given a pile of genuine paper money to count and riffle thru over and over and over. When the newbies ask why the answer is simple. The more exposure to the real thing they have, the quicker they can spot the counterfeit.

We need more Bible before we can be Bereans. More and more, to the point that we can spot the counterfeit when it comes at us in a clever sermon that otherwise feels "right". And more Bible gains us more wisdom and discernment when we do hit weird stuff in the news.

So now onto this post and you bring up and interesting point.

A lot of people do see the Abe Acc as the covenant to come that the AC strengthens.

I absolutely don't. And here's why.

Because the AC wouldn't be able to use it to do anything of value. It is a deal that normalizes relations between Israel and some former Arab enemies. No land for peace, no exchange of land for land.

If the AA gets used prophetically I see it as fitting the unique arrangement that seems to be in place with Sheba, Dedan and Tarshish and her cubs who only pose a weak question to Russia in the Gog Magog invasion of Ezek 38&39 "have you come for spoil" because the AA pulls that group together in a primarily economic you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours way.

People confuse the Abe Acc. with the Peace Deal that Trump laid out in Jan 2020. They are very different. One of the terms before the Abe Acc. could happen was to SET ASIDE the peace deal.

All that the AA does is normalize relations between Israel and several Arab states - Bahrain, Morocco, UAE, and Sudan. They are at peace with Israel and seeking trade and economic partnerships with each other.

Saudi Arabia is in talks or was at one time, to enter the AA.

The Deal of the Century as Trump called it was such hot potato that the Arab states above rushed in with an alternative, and if Israel signed off on the Abe Accords, with them, the Deal of the Century would have to be PUT ON THE SHELF, Sidelined as it were.

Now THAT ONE DOES have some pretty interesting stuff in there that if I was the AC I sure would be blowing the dust off that puppy and dragging it out to the table to get signed.

However I'm not the Antichrist, nor am I on his advisory panel

Long way to say the evangelical world that confuses the Abe Accords with the treaty to protect Israel from the rest of the world has it backwards.

Normalization of economic and trade ties along with political recognition of Israel as a legitimate country is what the AA is all about. The Peace Deal on the other hand locked in Israel's right to the land, at least some of it. Unfortunately the Peace deal also gave away a lot of Judea and Samaria aka the West Bank, while giving rights to SOME of the West Bank to the Jews who live there. Something good in there gave a timeline that if the Palestinians didn't keep their part, they lost all rights to the land they possibly stood to gain in that agreement and it reverted to the Jews permanently.

Looking closely at the wording of Ezek 38 shows us that Sheba and Dedan (along with Tarshish and cubs) are concerned about their economic partnerships with Israel implied in the "have you come for spoil" which suggests that the Abraham Accords are in place, expanded to include Saudi Arabia and are providing an economic boom in the area. (that also provides Russia and the gang with motives to grab spoil)

Looking even closer we see Ezek 36 and 38 mentioning the area of the West Bank as one where the Jews have settled peacefully after some war.

Whenever we see "the mountains of Israel" mentioned, that is referring to the area we have come to call the West Bank.

THAT area is the area that Trump's Deal of the Century covers.

Something happens between now and then to allow Israel to settle peacefully without walls or gates in the West Bank.

I suggest that the Deal of the Century could have something to do with that whether the AC uses it before the Ezek 38 invasion (if that takes place after the Rapture) or it's something he brings up after the Ezek 38 invasion has been dealt with by God.

BUT NOT NECESSARILY. It could be any framework that guarantees land especially the Temple Mount for the Jews, just not the Abe Accords which doesn't deal with land at all.

And I absolutely disagree with the Abe Accords being anything significant as far as the AC is concerned. If it's anything prophetic, it's the economic ties between Tarshish, cubs, Sheba and Dedan and their economic interest in Israel.

 

[Margery]

What I DO expect to have happen based on Ezek 38

1 Abraham Accords will expand to include Saudi Arabia and possibly more of the little kingdoms up and down the Arabian peninsula. It will result in increasing trade, tourism, and profits for all. They recognize Israel's right to exist and everyone agrees to get along. That's all that the Abe Accords is.

SUDAN will LEAVE the accords. They are listed by their old name in the invaders of Ezek 38. The muslim area of Sudan joins the invaders of Ezek 38

YEMEN will join the Abe Accords as their old name Sheba suggests- however Sheba can also refer to the ancient area of Ethiopia across the sea in Africa facing Yemen. So If I'm right (pretty big if there) then Yemen will change it's tune at some point and join the Abe Accords. Maybe. If I'm right. Or it could simply refer to Ethiopia because the longest ruling monarchy in the world was in Africa, descended from the Queen of Sheba (that one that met Solomon), in Ethiopia until Haille Sellassie the last in that line was deposed by a communist takeover.

and all that is IF the Abe Accords is the reason Sheba, Dedan, Tarshish and her cubs are asking Russia and the gang if they are after spoil. It might be any number of other things that pull Sheba, Dedan, Tarshish and cubs into an economic partnership with Israel such that this group is worried about the invasion.

2 Something happens to allow Israel to live in peace on the mountains of Israel (the area called the West Bank, properly called Judea and Samaria) in unwalled villages. That peace is so seductive to Israel that they let down their guard, they aren't aware of the Russian, Persian, Turkish, Sudanese and Libyan/Tunisian invasion from the north.

That something that allows peace in Israel could be a deal with the AC- using the Trump Deal of the Century Peace Plan OR any other framework that comes in handy to use.

Or the result of the current war or any other war that fits Bill Salus's Psalm 83 scenario that takes out the nasty neighbours surrounding Israel with common borders.

SOMETHING allows Israel to live in peace in the West Bank. Depending on when Ezek 38 takes place whether before or after the start of the Trib, we may or may not see the AC agreement in place to allow Israel to live in peace before the Russian invasion. That timing varies a bit so does the reason for them living in peace.



And a couple more thoughts on that Peace Plan. It was SUCH a hot potato from the Arab World's perspective that they got together and cooked up the Accords to simply get that puppy OFF the table.

The big deal in the early spring of 2020 while everyone was discussing the Trump Deal of the Century was how the ABE ACCORDS replaced the Trump deal and everyone including Trump dropped the Deal of the Century for this one.

That lined up with everything I had seen happening with that deal from the very first when Trump and Netanyahu struggled and struggled to get that thing done and out in public. The things that happened to keep it from going live were astonishing. I realized it HAD to be God restraining it, then began to really wonder what was in it that was so special.

Then it gets out for like a month before being "replaced" by this ABE ACCORDS and further more, the ABE ACC wouldn't go ahead, UNTIL THE PEACE DEAL WAS PUT ON THE SHELF AGAIN

To my eyes that is a lot of interesting action relating to the Peace Deal and when I look at the Abe Accords, it fits best within the kind of economic framework I'd expect between Tarshish and the cubs plus Sheba and Dedan.

 

[TCC]

@Margery Thanks for the followup dear sister.

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SOMETHING allows Israel to live in peace in the West Bank. Depending on when Ezek 38 takes place whether before or after the start of the Trib, we may or may not see the AC agreement in place to allow Israel to live in peace before the Russian invasion. That timing varies a bit so does the reason for them living in peace.

I appreciate your boldness in that Margery. Personally i don't think we will see that. Because that would most likely be "the tribulation proper." The clock starts ticking. Which if were to happen the church would be in the tribulation. This is why i don't think we will see it. But in hearing you out ever so subtly...wow...yeah maybe we could be here like for a day or two in it. A church I used to go believed the first seal was 3.5 years and the whole first half of the trib was peaceful...lol. I know that sounds odd to it. I had a heck of a time understanding how they meant by what words they spoke...lol. But yeah i could maybe see why the church does see that. The reason i would think not is not because we might not be here for a few days in it. But rather that there seems to be way too much focus on it. Almost a clear sign we won't be, to me anyway. Not logically so much as just a feeling.


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The big deal in the early spring of 2020 while everyone was discussing the Trump Deal of the Century was how the ABE ACCORDS replaced the Trump deal and everyone including Trump dropped the Deal of the Century for this one.

Sometimes i kind of see Trump as a jughead...lol. Other times i see man who is far beyond his image. And he just uses his image like a ventriloquist dummy on his lap. I know from experience he is a lot smarter than the dems think he is. And he is just a man. But his uncle was a high end genius the military hired to decipher Nicoli Telsa's inventions, wondering if there were any weapons there. So maybe some of that rubbed off on Donald.

Obviously the Abraham Accords is providential. But i would not put it passed Trump to fake an agreement in order to move something else into place. Even as smart as he might be, I'm not automatically thinking that level of genius but who knows. Thanks for bringing up all the history. We have so much coming at us...its good to be reminded.


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I disagree with you agreeably on the Berean post before this - Being a Berean means checking every claim against scripture. That would include seeing our world thru a Biblical framework. I get tired of sermons too, but the thing I don't tire of, is the Bible.

Yes. Amen. It means that because Bereans where called that because they did see the scripture to see if what was happening was biblical. Amen. This may sound a bit ironic, maybe not. But what were they looking for? To see if what Paul said was true. And what was Paul saying? That their contemporary experience that occurred in the 1st century was in the scriptures. The Bereans searched the scriptures because of what was happening made a name for itself. I guess another way of putting that is: Was what God was doing in the first century, biblical. The canon at that time had not been closed. They didn't search deeply a closed canon. They searched deeply to see if what was what they understood was happening was true. And in that way, the Bereans modeled this: Is what is happening providentially something we can find in scripture? So it was because of providence being a catapult that brought them to see if scripture confirms.

I don't think the above is applicable to any age but the first. And as i am typing this remembrance of "I am the first and the last" comes to mind. If what the scriptures say about Bereans being a model, that model would be, does providence move us to evaluate scripture all the more? It could be said that the Berean model is those who search the scriptures because of providence.

What i am not saying is turn to providence in place of or instead of the bible. What I am saying is that it looks like we live in an age where providence serves as a hermeneutic perhaps similar to the first century. Not as new revelation. But as to its potential use as a hermeneutic. Which would be a very unique earmark if true. For example, you didn't realize the Deal of the Century was dwarfed by AA because you found it in scripture. You realized it because it happened. There is nothing i would look for in providence that would not have a biblical world view. But what is happening is really happening. And can have the effect of understanding it that enlarges the potential way in which we had been thinking. And in that, expand field of vision capacity by which what we perceive to be biblical may be informed in such a way so as to refresh. And discover where our own thoughts upon something may have strayed. Its not that we would eject bible for providence. For the word is accurate. Its just our perceptions of what we think it says to be potentially suspect. To me that does not mean we stop checking the word to see if these things are so. But rather that we might fertilize our soil for when we do. If that makes hopefully more sense than how, to me, it sounds like a mature poetry...lol. I'm trying Blessings.

 

[Margery]

@Margery Thanks for the followup dear sister.

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SOMETHING allows Israel to live in peace in the West Bank. Depending on when Ezek 38 takes place whether before or after the start of the Trib, we may or may not see the AC agreement in place to allow Israel to live in peace before the Russian invasion. That timing varies a bit so does the reason for them living in peace.

I appreciate your boldness in that Margery. Personally i don't think we will see that. Because that would most likely be "the tribulation proper." The clock starts ticking. Which if were to happen the church would be in the tribulation. This is why i don't think we will see it. But in hearing you out ever so subtly...wow...yeah maybe we could be here like for a day or two in it. A church I used to go believed the first seal was 3.5 years and the whole first half of the trib was peaceful...lol. I know that sounds odd to it. I had a heck of a time understanding how they meant by what words they spoke...lol. But yeah i could maybe see why the church does see that. The reason i would think not is not because we might not be here for a few days in it. But rather that there seems to be way too much focus on it. Almost a clear sign we won't be, to me anyway. Not logically so much as just a feeling.


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The big deal in the early spring of 2020 while everyone was discussing the Trump Deal of the Century was how the ABE ACCORDS replaced the Trump deal and everyone including Trump dropped the Deal of the Century for this one.

Sometimes i kind of see Trump as a jughead...lol. Other times i see man who is far beyond his image. And he just uses his image like a ventriloquist dummy on his lap. I know from experience he is a lot smarter than the dems think he is. And he is just a man. But his uncle was a high end genius the military hired to decipher Nicoli Telsa's inventions, wondering if there were any weapons there. So maybe some of that rubbed off on Donald.

Obviously the Abraham Accords is providential. But i would not put it passed Trump to fake an agreement in order to move something else into place. Even as smart as he might be, I'm not automatically thinking that level of genius but who knows. Thanks for bringing up all the history. We have so much coming at us...its good to be reminded.


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I disagree with you agreeably on the Berean post before this - Being a Berean means checking every claim against scripture. That would include seeing our world thru a Biblical framework. I get tired of sermons too, but the thing I don't tire of, is the Bible.

Yes. Amen. It means that because Bereans where called that because they did see the scripture to see if what was happening was biblical. Amen. This may sound a bit ironic, maybe not. But what were they looking for? To see if what Paul said was true. And what was Paul saying? That their contemporary experience that occurred in the 1st century was in the scriptures. The Bereans searched the scriptures because of what was happening made a name for itself. I guess another way of putting that is: Was what God was doing in the first century, biblical. The canon at that time had not been closed. They didn't search deeply a closed canon. They searched deeply to see if what was what they understood was happening was true. And in that way, the Bereans modeled this: Is what is happening providentially something we can find in scripture? So it was because of providence being a catapult that brought them to see if scripture confirms.

I don't think the above is applicable to any age but the first. And as i am typing this remembrance of "I am the first and the last" comes to mind. If what the scriptures say about Bereans being a model, that model would be, does providence move us to evaluate scripture all the more? It could be said that the Berean model is those who search the scriptures because of providence.

What i am not saying is turn to providence in place of or instead of the bible. What I am saying is that it looks like we live in an age where providence serves as a hermeneutic perhaps similar to the first century. Not as new revelation. But as to its potential use as a hermeneutic. Which would be a very unique earmark if true. For example, you didn't realize the Deal of the Century was dwarfed by AA because you found it in scripture. You realized it because it happened. There is nothing i would look for in providence that would not have a biblical world view. But what is happening is really happening. And can have the effect of understanding it that enlarges the potential way in which we had been thinking. And in that, expand field of vision capacity by which what we perceive to be biblical may be informed in such a way so as to refresh. And discover where our own thoughts upon something may have strayed. Its not that we would eject bible for providence. For the word is accurate. Its just our perceptions of what we think it says to be potentially suspect. To me that does not mean we stop checking the word to see if these things are so. But rather that we might fertilize our soil for when we do. If that makes hopefully more sense than how, to me, it sounds like a mature poetry...lol. I'm trying Blessings.

As for the Ez 38 my best guess is that it happens when we are out of here. I just don't know if the peace of the AC comes just after the Rapture and before Ez 38 or after Ez 38.

I've had fun digging thru the wording in Ez 38 and due to the way God says He is making Himself known (in the Jews but also the Gentiles) I figure it HAS to happen after the Rapture because otherwise there'd be plenty of Messianic Jews and Gentile Saints who Know Him in the nations and in Israel. It suggests that nobody knows God at that point, and He is reintroducing Himself and His plans for Israel to the world and the Jews.

And I get kind of excited about it because that seems to also suggest that it isn't too long after the Rapture either because there WILL be people getting saved right after that.

I may be all wrong on that thought but it's my best guess. I tend to think the order of events are Rapture, then Gog Magog, then a gap of a little while to allow for the burning of weapons - my best guess is 3.5 years before the Trib starts to allow them to burn and finish by the middle of the Trib

Again, my logic may be faulty but it's often occurred to me that if significant amounts of weapons were around, the Jews that believe Jesus and are running for the hills (petra for reasons I've gone into before based on the name of places Jesus shows up- Bozra etc) then why wouldn't a few of those weapons come in handy and get tossed in the general direction of the AC by the fleeing Jews.

But that is even more speculative because plenty of better theologians than me have pointed out that Babylon continues to burn thru the Millennium so if Gog Magog happened near the start of the Trib it wouldn't be a problem because there will be the secular Jews who don't care about what Jesus said, and don't care about their Temple being desecrated who remain in place to carry on burning the weapons.

Things I think about as I'm falling asleep which is probably why I have trouble sleeping sometimes.

 

[TCC]

@Margery For a few years I was thinking along the same lines as you with gap and all like 3.5 years. The downside, in my estimation to a gap theory is that I see verses like

• Ezekiel 33:11
• Hosea 11:9

...having much weight. So adding years after the rapture may be a thing for sure, but I tend to see His attributes somewhat in opposition to that view. In general. But you and I are rather close. What makes the most sense to me is the rapture as Ez 38 commences. JD used to say, "As the bombs come down...we go up." And although that makes a great T-shirt, it might have some real exegetical teeth.

I would say the AC most likely comes after Ez 38. Andy Woods believes Ez 38 is the second seal. I agree with that view. But he sees the 1st seal as AC. Which to me posses a problem. In that view the AC makes a deal with Israel to protect them for 7 years. And 5 minutes later 2/3d's of the country is destroyed? That speaks to the AC's character well enough, but the interrupt the bible records is the midpoint Not 5 minutes after a handshake. So I don't think the AC is a seal. But Satan establishing His kingdom seems to be during the times of trumpets. Like his campaigning time. Arriving at the midpoint with his 3.5 year rule.

But Margery check this out. Now this is something that boggles my mind. In some ways I think it gives my 1st seal view poetic license. But admittedly there is something about it that is very hard to fathom. In Ez 38, this is how it ends:

23; So I will prove Myself great, show Myself holy, and make Myself known in the sight of many nations; and they will know that I am the Lord.”’

So in one sense at that time the world knows its God. Israel knows its the Father. Where this comes in handy for my 1st seal view is that my 1st seal view does not hold up at all if the trajectory of the world is getting more and more evil. And no real big revival. Some go as far to say that the Q great awakening is a false revival. I understand the concerns there. But just pointing out that under those conditions, my 1st seal view looks pretty weak and pathetic. But what kind of mitigates away from looking at bad faith players in our age as a gauge as to where things are going is Ez 38:23, is this: does anyone think the tribulation starts around the time the whole world is amazed at the true and living God? Said "no one...ever!" So this anomaly is actually pretty cool. Because on some level, God makes Himself know apparently at an early stage of the trib. Most likely this would give you cause for a gap for sure. And maybe it is that way. But it could also be argued that since we are accustomed to seeing the tribulation start off as evil gone worse with no revival, we have a verse telling us maybe some kind of revival could exist in the entrance way of the tribulation? Which could reflect on the age of grace side as perhaps something we know not what like too, me thinks.

Well just wanted to share that slice of enigma. Because it is unusual to say the least. Do I think there will be a huge revival in concluding the age of grace? The way I would put it is that I would lean toward an apocolyptic "mere taste" of the 1,000 year reign to come. As a trailer of what is on the other side of the freight train coming. A reminder for Israel, and an invitation to the world. I do see that. Which is like another universe above revival. How that plays out or how many get saved or noticed...I have no idea what that might look like. But the feigned golden age some term our next season to be, I would suggest could be on the wings of apocolyptic invite sample of the 1,000 year reign. Said no one ever...but me. lol. Blessings.

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[dlcv]

17 - 20 Nov 2024​

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On our website: https://www.thebereancall.org/content/ta-mcmahon-thomas-ice-part-1 More topics on our website: https://www.thebereancall.org/topics Free eBooks: https://davehunt.org Download our app:

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What about the Rapture? (Part 2) with Thomas Ice​

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Stop the Madness: The Great End Time Revival Myth!​

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We knew this was coming, and the fact that the regime waited until right before Biden leaves office to give the go-ahead, speaks volumes on where they're hoping to take this war.

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[StaceyLovesJesus]

17 - 20 Nov 2024​

Bible Prophecy Update, What Could Happen Very Soon Now - Sunday, November 17th, 2024​

Pastor JD provides a plausible scenario concerning what could happen very soon now with the fast-changing geopolitical landscape specific to Israel in concert with other prophecies in the Bible.

What about the Rapture? (Part 1) with Thomas Ice​

The topic for this program and our next one is the assault – and I mean assault on the timing of the Rapture of the church. More specifically, it has to do with a documentary, the title of which is Left Behind or Led Astray?

What about the Rapture? (Part 1) with Thomas Ice

On our website: https://www.thebereancall.org/content/ta-mcmahon-thomas-ice-part-1 More topics on our website: https://www.thebereancall.org/topics Free eBooks: https://davehunt.org Download our app:

rumble.com

What about the Rapture? (Part 2) with Thomas Ice​

The topic for this program – this is actually our second session speaking with Tommy Ice – and the topic is the timing of the Rapture of the church, and we’re going to be talking about a documentary that’s not out yet.

What about the Rapture? (Part 2) with Thomas Ice

On our website: https://www.thebereancall.org/content/ta-mcmahon-thomas-ice-part-2 More topics on our website: https://www.thebereancall.org/topics Free eBooks: https://davehunt.org Download our app:

rumble.com

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The "If We're Still Here... Bible Prophecy Shindig" is a free online conference dedicated to bring people an event to learn & share Bible prophecy, actual history of how we got to this point, subjects & topics that aren't usually discussed within the Bible prophecy community, and most importantly the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

If We're Still Here... Bible Prophecy Shindig - Wretched Watchmen

The "If We're Still Here... Bible Prophecy Shindig" is coming free to everyone via online streaming on March 15th 2025!

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-----------------------------------------------------------

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Here we go, this just escalated WW III​

We knew this was coming, and the fact that the regime waited until right before Biden leaves office to give the go-ahead, speaks volumes on where they're hoping to take this war.

Here we go, this just escalated WW III: Biden regime gives green light for Ukraine to use U.S. long-range missiles to attack deep inside Russia

We knew this was coming, and the fact that the regime waited until right before Biden leaves office to give the go-ahead, speaks volumes on where they're hoping to take this war.

leohohmann.substack.com

Hi @dlcv did you read Lee Brainard's community post about zak at Soothkeep yt channel?

 

[dlcv]

Hi @dlcv did you read Lee Brainard's community post about zak at Soothkeep yt channel?

Hi @StaceyLovesJesus, I have read Lee's statement on Zak. I take it was his personal decision to separate from Zak. Sad to see American politics has divided the church even more.

Zak mentioned in recent podcast that he was no longer in Tom Hughes Hope for our Times for last few months.

I respectfully ask that we don't argue over politics as there were some previous discussions on voting in this thread was moved to another section. Thanks.

 

[Margery]

Here we go, this just escalated WW III​

We knew this was coming, and the fact that the regime waited until right before Biden leaves office to give the go-ahead, speaks volumes on where they're hoping to take this war.

Here we go, this just escalated WW III: Biden regime gives green light for Ukraine to use U.S. long-range missiles to attack deep inside Russia

We knew this was coming, and the fact that the regime waited until right before Biden leaves office to give the go-ahead, speaks volumes on where they're hoping to take this war.

leohohmann.substack.com

This does look like something - probably by the globalists who want war, before Trump takes over and shuts wars down again, like last time.

I keep thinking Israel is going to have to take care of business so they can settle down in peace again prior to Gog Magog, whether that is via a continuing Psalm 83 style scenario as Bill Salus proposes or some other variation that includes Isaiah 17 destruction of Damascus.

As for Russia and Ukraine, before the Gog Magog, Russia needs to be in control of her Magog territories and that would include the area of Ukraine, not just the Muslim areas of Russia and the "stans"

so from a prophecy angle, that kind of looks likely.

One eye on the Bible, the other on the news!

 

[Spartan Sprinter]

This does look like something - probably by the globalists who want war, before Trump takes over and shuts wars down again, like last time.

I keep thinking Israel is going to have to take care of business so they can settle down in peace again prior to Gog Magog, whether that is via a continuing Psalm 83 style scenario as Bill Salus proposes or some other variation that includes Isaiah 17 destruction of Damascus.

As for Russia and Ukraine, before the Gog Magog, Russia needs to be in control of her Magog territories and that would include the area of Ukraine, not just the Muslim areas of Russia and the "stans"

so from a prophecy angle, that kind of looks likely.

One eye on the Bible, the other on the news!

Yep and now that Trump is back, Iran isn't so vocal about retaliations so it's interesting as you say whether Israel at this point in time will pay Iran back for their missile attacks or whether that is put on the shelf to a latter time ?

 

[Margery]

Yep and now that Trump is back, Iran isn't so vocal about retaliations so it's interesting as you say whether Israel at this point in time will pay Iran back for their missile attacks or whether that is put on the shelf to a latter time ?

It's sure interesting what with the rumours about the supreme leader in Iran in a coma combined with the rumours that his son was given full power by his father about a month back. IF those are true, it's rough timing for Iran, losing so much of their capability AND their leadership just when they are dialing up their attacks on Israel (and losing their proxies one by one).

Personally I think there's no better time for Israel to take care of business. Israel knows their lives are on the line (even if WE know God won't let them die) and their moment might be now while Trump is waiting in the wings and Biden is creating havoc in Ukraine.