Is the RAPTURE Really Next Month? The Bible’s Timeline Is Shocking

[Tall Timbers]

He's referring to me and none of what I posted was personal to him but was directed at the topic.

 

[Margery]

He's referring to me and none of what I posted was personal to him but was directed at the topic.

I thought as much!

Goodboy, I think you owe Tall Timbers an apology!

Just because a person doesn't agree with an idea or a video that you posted (for people to comment on) doesn't mean that they've attacked you personally!

While you and I may not agree on some things, I was not speaking of you or anyone that was not specifically directing what they said at me personally. This person seemed to just have a problem with me and again it was not you. I have no problem with you!

"this person" as you call him

is a moderator here, and as such he like the rest of us mods try to keep things in every thread on a good friendly civil basis. AND on a BIBLICAL basis.

He deserves respect for that!

When a moderator has to step in, it's hard when they then become the target, and it's even more of a problem then because you've pointed and hinted that it was Tall Timbers, who is just doing his job here.

Last year you DID get pretty heated in your defence of that date too. And you did get a bit cranky with those of us trying to talk you off that ledge. This does feel like a replay. I was there, and it wasn't pleasant.

As for this video - it's creator said when the rapture would take place --- it is at the 7 minute mark 55 seconds. @Kem quotes him correctly. I went back to check. He starts in on this at the 7:45 mark, explaining the exact day, then goes on to place the rapture just after that.

That is kind of a big deal because it is the covenant that starts the Trib, and the church isn't here for any part of that. Placing it after the signing of the covenant- means that puts the church into the Trib at that very point. That is theologically wrong. Placing the Church inside the Trib at any point is NOT a Pre Trib position.

And that guy teaches that the Rapture is AFTER the covenant that starts the Trib! That is not Pre Trib at all.

That is terrible theology because it places the church, the BODY OF CHRIST here on earth into God's wrath, which is poured out during the entire Tribulation. But God already poured out HIs WRATH on His Son Jesus on the Cross, once for all time and eternity. We who are bought by His blood, forming the church, His body are NOT UNDER THAT WRATH. We CANNOT be here after that covenant that starts the Trib. Because God will NOT EVER pour out His wrath again on Jesus or those covered by His blood

Ok to answer @Tall Timbers , at the 7 minute 55 second spot on the video, he says "after that the rapture will kick start the 7 year tribulation". I was pretty sure he said something like that and indeed he did.

The other question @Andy C right about 8 minutes and 47 seconds he starts speaking of the number of times that exactly 2550 days are between the feast of trumpets and yom kipper are 0 times before 1948, 6 times after 1948 leaving a seventh time this year and 0 times after this year. I can't explain it better than that and he says it more clearly on the video.

And @Kem also brings up the math that Britt Gillette deals with. That the 2550 exact number of days only happening 6 times after 1948 and the seventh being this year. That sounds amazing, and thankfully Britt looked up that claim, and it's not true.

So even though he meant to encourage, he's teaching bad theology and he's repeated some math without checking and seeing that it is faulty or he's tortured the numbers as Britt said, to make them come out right. Both points mean he is not credible.

Date setting is a problem. It harms our Christian witness. Just because we don't tell our friends that we think it might be Sept 23, doesn't mean that the world isn't watching, mocking and causing hope to die in people who thought maybe just maybe those Christians were right about salvation, but here they are again waving a false date.

We are not commanded to watch by setting dates.

We are to watch with expectant hopefulness that any time Jesus could appear. We will know the season is near, that much is clear from Scripture, but as for dates, that is pure speculation.

It is fine to encourage each other and speculate on when it might happen. But we need to keep that speculation within Biblical limits too. If someone comes out with a date- they are acting as a prophet, and their prophecies are judged biblicly. If they make math mistakes, those need to be pointed out. If someone has had previous false dates, then their future words are not to be listened to (the OT directions on not listening to a proven false prophet)

I hope it's in the next 5 minutes. It might happen some year on the Feast of Trumpets. But like @mattfivefour carefully said, it could be any year! He wasn't setting a date. He was indicating a time of year- in any year. There's a difference.

Just don't get mad if others don't share that enthusiasm for a particular date.

And especially not at a mod whose job it is to keep things within Biblical boundaries. We volunteer our own time here, take time from our families and other obligations to make sure things run well, that everyone here has a chance to talk about what's on their heart, to ask questions and get feedback. But especially to keep it within Biblical standards.

I'm going to lock this thread so we can all get some sleep and come at this tomorrow after some prayer and reflection.

And apologies to all, I've somehow managed to split this thread into 2. I've locked both for now. Blame my incredibly bad computer skills. Really bad computer skills. I can make stuff happen that shouldn't be possible. Oh well. Let's all get some sleep.

 

[mattfivefour]

apologies to all, I've somehow managed to split this thread into 2. I've locked both for now.

No problem, sis. I've recombined them. I'll leave the unlocking of it to you. Sleeping on the topic may help us return with a constructive discussion.

 

[Margery]

I've unlocked the thread- carry on all.

And thanks to @mattfivefour for merging the thread back to where it should be. I shouldn't touch a computer especially late at night.

I didn't mean to imply that @Goodboy was a false prophet, my goodness no. And this thread is a great one for discussing these matters, and they should be examined, questioned and thought about. That is being a good Berean. He was absolutely right to bring up this video for discussion.

In my reply above when I mention false prophets my worry is about these YouTube guys that come out with this stuff, all wide eyed and enthusiastic, pin a date, let er rip, and then stand back while those who pinned their hopes on that date are disappointed yet again, and repeat the process even when they are found wrong.

I have zero problem with a bit of good speculating, and I'd be happy if we were out of here by then. However whatever date we go, we don't see the Tribulation. For the reasons I listed above.

God doesn't pour out His wrath twice on His Son or those covered by His blood. That was once for all time.

But also as Paul reminds in 2 Thess 2:7-8
7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way.
8 Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming;

There is an order of events- he who now restrains- The Restrainer who is the Holy Spirit indwelling each blood bought born again believer covered by the blood -- that restrainer has to be taken out of the way

THEN the lawless one will be revealed - and Paul explains exactly who this person is- and that the Lord will slay when He comes at the end of the Trib.

So we have an exact order of events. First the Rapture, then after that the AC is revealed, then at the end of that period of time Jesus returns at the end of the Trib to put a stop to the AC.

The Tribulation begins with the covenant as Daniel said, that is the time of Jacob's trouble when God pours out His wrath on the world, and brings the Jews thru that Tribulation to belief in Him at which point they call out to Jesus as their Messiah and He returns to rescue His believing brethren and puts a stop to the Tribulation.

 

[Andy C]

In my reply above when I mention false prophets my worry is about these YouTube guys that come out with this stuff, all wide eyed and enthusiastic, pin a date, let er rip, and then stand back while those who pinned their hopes on that date are disappointed yet again, and repeat the process even when they are found wrong.

This is my same concerns. So many post videos on you tube, sound sincere, seems biblical - until one actually fact checks what they watched through reading His Word.

I can only speak for me, but when I step out of my comfort zone, and watch videos like the one from the OP, its easy to fall into the trap of believing this is it! However, within a few days, that euphoria is gone, and I return to His Word, which really is all I need. If He wanted us to know exactly when He will call us Home, that info would be clear in His Word.

I hope the rapture is very soon, but live as if I will be here until my natural death.

 

[Greg]

I listened to the video from Britt Gillette from earlier in this thread. Very worthwhile and excellent points made.

 

[TCC]

In general the way I see videos about potential biblical timings is that it is great that there are interests to look at dates and frame of time to make observations. In general what I have noticed over the years is that there has become a tendency for people making videos that share their views to state it with perhaps a bit too much conviction...lol. Like seeing that something looks like this or that. And then TRIPPLE downing it. Like Craig Bong. And there are those in the pulpit who can swing this way too. To me, that is "the spirit of the age" and not biblical insight. It is a commingling of excitement with a little bit too much of "God likely has me in the zone." Ty Greene does this approach. Although Ty does say things like it is just a possibility, but the way he does his videos is like its gospel truth...lol. So this is a huge trend today. And it is a spirit of the age to project study and conviction "as much as it can seem to be in the bang zone of God offering insight through this person or that person." And I believe in general our generation has become a bit drunk on that. Or maybe even complacently accepting it as the norm. This is a "general" observation I have noticed that has been a trend for many years now.

Although I appreciate the video shared in this thread, and although he did humbly address what happens if it is not correct (which is far more than most might do), what is missing for me in general is a sense of it being a bit too favored in the eyes of the content creator. What I am not saying is that he should doubt himself all over the place. But present it with accompanying counter arguments. They are out there. I believe that approach is healthy for our generation because we seem to be more in favor of sharing our views as though they are "in the zone." I'm not saying we should not consider our convictions as being somewhat in the zone. But in general it just has seemed as disproprotionally...be like...please see my view as valid. And although there is a certain charm to that. Even an innocent charm perhaps. It is I think most healthy for the body to present several sides of a thing even though we might highlight a particular favored view.

So in general on that note, I would not sense stating firmly a new sense of timing to be brave nor foolish. In and of itself it is just an opinion. But since we have become a genetion where "being in the zone" seems to matter a wee bit too much, in light of that, it would be I believe most healthy to consider how we can make video content, and deliver sermons that are not overly populated with too many units of our own conviction as part of whether what is shared is valid or not. If that makes sense? Just sayin. Blessings.

 

[TCC]

Britt Gillette did the math and released this video here today; - YouTube

Britt said this "More specifically, these videos claim the rapture of the church will take place during Rosh Hashanah (The Feast of Trumpets) on September 23rd, and the Second Coming will take place seven years later on Yom Kippur (The Day of Atonement) in 2032, with these dates separated by 2,550 days – the exact number of days Daniel said the Tribulation will last."

He addresses this last math bit and debunks it. The unique period of time that is separated by 2,550 days.

Britt makes the very good point that -even though the video creator says he isn't a date setter- he does set an exact day for the Rapture because he says it will happen just after the covenant is signed. And he gives us the date for the covenant.

Britt points out that even though he says he isn't date setting, he actually is. Because he's tying the date of the UN meeting regards declaring a state of Palestine (ignoring the previous state called Jordan) to the Rapture.

@Kem heard it too, she time stamped it up thread here - I heard it and apparently Britt heard it too. The video creator didn't spend a long time on it, but it is in there.

Britt is compassionate, but he points out that failed date setters that go public like this can turn people who might be on the verge of giving their hearts to the Lord, away in disgust over the hype and then the disappointment.

He said we Christians can find our encouragement in the Word - Jesus promised He's coming back for us, we know He keeps His promises. We have His sure word on it. As Britt says, the sure word of God, the Bible is full of amazing wonderful prophecies, that we can point to, like Israel coming back to her land. We don't need to hype it up further.

The unbelievers around us aren't stupid, and when they see this kind of spectacle, and another round of failed dates, they mock and turn away reassured that the Christians weren't right yet again.

If we point to the Rapture, let's not point to a date. The focus that will bring some to salvation needs to be that we DON'T know the day or the hour (we can spot the season, definitely) and when Jesus comes for His own, it will be too late to go up in the Rapture, the Tribulation is next.

One day Jesus DOES come and the world changes into a terrifying horrific place of judgment and torment. A preview of hell for those who refuse Christ. That should be our message to the world about the Rapture.


1 Peter 1:13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;

1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

We need to be sober minded, watchful because the enemy prowls around like a lion, seeking whom he may devour.

Based on the many posts regarding this I am going to check out that video. I was not aware of exactly who Britt was. But once I clicked on the video am somewhat familiar with his work. I will check it out and weigh-in in where appropriate. Thanks Margery. On the outset though, my general sense of Britt from a sense of his trajectory of interest and hues of how he places focus, for me, it is interesting. It is good. He is very informative. But I would use a term I don't use often to describe a concern going in I might have.

This is a term I developed during my time in the America Reformed Camp. From what I have seen, Britt can be a wee bit too "Thesis driven," for my blood. Which even though on the more sober sounding side of the spectrum as Britt thankfully is, when we view things with a powerful thesis of ours in mind, it can tend to omit other variable that can in some ways actually help see a more rounded view. Or in its most serious state, entirely change the narrative. In general I like Britt's work. And categorize him kind of in the camp of well meaning informed believers with a lot to offer. But does come with a definite narrative. And just in general in the way I process, having no narrative at all is I guess the worst...lol. But as some are influenced by their narrative perspespectives it can tend to become for the body of Christ a similar condition in how Youtube markets. It sends us video considerations that tend to agree mostly with our world view. Too little of that leaves us thin, too lean, and unable to discern much of anything. But too much of that of side of the coin can tend induce tunnel vision. At least in some ways in how I would view. But open and willing to hear him out. And consider him of value, much, today. Blessings.