Is the RAPTURE Really Next Month? The Bible’s Timeline Is Shocking

[LightOfMyLife]

sorry but rapture is not going to happen for at least 9 years

I didn't know we had a prophet on the forum!

 

[TCC]

As others have said, never count on this year or any year actually being the correct one, never change your plans according to a prediction and don't let it shake you if this year does not turn out to be the year of our homegoing but having said that...the video is pretty compelling and well worth a listen. Thanks Goodboy, for posting this. We can certainly have hope and keep looking up!

With the way that things have been going and the way we can see how various people groups throughout the world (governments, education, power play business entities, varying church denominations, media trends etc), for me, it has kind of been the other way around. On one level it might seem like my kind of observational approach might be my own passive-aggressive game I play on myself not to be disappointed if this year is not the rapture year. But in all honesty, I find myself in quite the different mindset than being disappointed if the rapture does not happen this year type attitude.

I believe this is primarily due to how my observations view God's Providential moves upon the world and where that seems to be going (coupled with what we know in scripture about His character). So ironically, for me, it has come to be that a sooner rather than later rapture theory is kind of a dissappointment...lol. Not in the sense of not wanting to leave this world. But rather, the contrasting toll an earlier rather than later rapture has upon how it seems increasingly clear what the trajectory of the character of God we know in scripture is otherwise operating as providentially.

Because for me, the story being told through providence (and how that would seem to also relate to Israel and Ez 38) is much much much more pronounced than the colloquial contemporary views that come along when the rapture is. I see such a rich and deep story unfolding in respect to God's character these days that it almost runs counterintuitive to a sooner rather than later rapture timing. I can understand how holding this view might seem to be perhaps a fleshy desire to overly spiritualize the temporal and think oneself into a thinking model to justify wanting to stay in the temporal. It makes sense why it might be viewed like that.

But the way things are going these days leads me to believe that the reogranization of the Middle East for Israel's sake is a very more compelling story line in respect to the character of God we know in the bible than to have as much of an eye on the rapture. Having said that though, this is coming from someone who spent an entire year (in 2017/2018) watching rapture dream videos on YouTube every single day. Just to see what patterns there might be. And how that demonstrates my genuine interest organically in a sooner rather than later rapture.

I must admit though that the way this Feast of Trumpets this year lines up, it does have the potential to throw a monkey wrench into the whole of the paradigm in how I have been understand things forming according to the character of God. This Fall seems far too soon. But what I mean by a later rapture would be more like 2026+ (and more likely 2028...and maybe even as late as 2032). But steeped in connection to Israel being the epicenter of indicator for our age. It would just seem, to me, that Providence tied to Israel in our midst holds far more rapture bearing cards than any other systematic we might come up with in general.

BUT, I put a lot of clout in 2017 as very likely being the Rev 12 sign as a sign of our times. Starting some form of a clock too. And what is most intriguing there is how much this video dovetails that event (if accurate). So if 2017 was the Rev 12 sign, the connections this video makes with this Fall being the year of rapture is huge. And very connected seemingly. So it definately has me scratching my head. And totally mind blowing that this year the Feast of Trumpets falls on the exact mirror dates it did in 2017. Which I hold as most likely the Rev 12 sign. lol. So this puts my observations to the total test, I tell ya. Lol. Blessings.s

 

[Kem]

This Fall seems far too soon

Well if it is this fall, I will be one extremely happy camper. If isn't this fall, I will just keep looking up.

 

[Andy C]

This has been a very interesting thread with lots to chew on.

What I wont do is convince myself that next month is it. If it is, GREAT. If we’re still here past 23 Sep, it wont change my current life one bit. There is still much work to be done!

 

[LightOfMyLife]

Well if it is this fall, I will be one extremely happy camper. If isn't this fall, I will just keep looking up.

Kem, if it happens in September or any time before October 6th, I will be spending my 1st birthday in heaven. That would be a great birthday gift!

 

[Baby Yoda]

... infinity!!!!!

 

[TCC]

I don't remember him saying that the Rapture starts the 7 year tribulation, but maybe that part blew past me without me absorbing it. He mentions towards the beginning and at the end that the Rapture would happen right after the signing of the Covenant/agreement. I at least don't remember him saying that the Rapture starts Tribulation. Can others weigh in and confirm if he did say that? I would disagree with that as well.

To me it sounded like we see the signing and then the rapture. But I don't recall the video not indicating that that signing would not be the beginning of the tribulation. Yes. Double negative there. Then there is something else: The 7 year agreement:

At the Summit of the Future, held at the United Nations Headquarters in New York on September 22-23, 2024, world leaders adopted a landmark declaration called the “Pact for the Future”.
This Pact, the culmination of years of negotiation, aims to strengthen international cooperation and address global challenges. It covers a wide range of issues, including:

• Peace and security.
• Sustainable development and financing for development.
• Science, technology, and innovation, and digital cooperation (including a Global Digital Compact as an annex).
• Youth and future generations (including a Declaration on Future Generations as an annex).
• Transforming global governance.

The Pact is an action-oriented document designed to accelerate progress towards the Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs) and create a more sustainable, peaceful, and inclusive future for all. It acknowledges the urgency of the situation, with only 17% of SDG targets currently on track to be met by the 2030 deadline.

I believe that could be the covenant with the many. But I have tended to back away from the UN being that signing in scripture. It being the UN and globally known speaks to a potential it might be. As well as it being listed as a "strengthening." But since the Craig Bong depacle, I have tended to see the UN 7 year contract concept as too ethereally not tied to scriptural intent. For example, are we to then say that someone in the UN breaks that covenant in the middle? And decides not to go with its objectives that clearly seem to a one a world government and the beast system? So does the beast undo his own system in the middle of it? And where in that does Israel get their animal sacrifices going OR where in that agreement would Isreal be stopped from doing animal sacrifices? It is far too removed from that. Not saying it can't be included somehow mysteriously. But it has no real boots on the ground connection to the covenant the AC will break, in my mind.

In addition, if it is the UN doing it, that is a lot of members. Sure the AC could be one of them. But this is a group of nations agreeing together is it not? There is no single individual pushing this nor is there any indication of one. Am I mistaken? Blessings.

 

[LightOfMyLife]

... infinity!!!!!

That burger must be for the Champion of Burger's TT!

 

[Baby Yoda]

That burger must be for the Champion of Burger's TT!

Yep definitely, though I think Ghoti may fight him for a few of them

 

[LightOfMyLife]

Yep definitely, though I think Ghoti may fight him for a few of them

Who will win the burger fight? In this corner we have TT, and in the other corner we have Ghoti. The championship of burgers goes to who? We need to vote TT or Ghoti. I will bet on TT.

 

[Baby Yoda]

Who will win the burger fight?

 

[Baby Yoda]

Just kidding! There are infinite burgers in Heaven for all of us.

 

[LightOfMyLife]

Just kidding! There are infinite burgers in Heaven for all of us.

We don't have to worry about our new glorified bodies either. We won't get sick, overweight, throw up, or die.

 

[Amethyst]

Paul tells us to comfort one another with the words he shared regarding the Rapture. There are many Christians whom are barely holding on including me, that need comforting in these crazy evil times!

May it be so.
From one sufferer to another.

 

[TCC]

Pinning the rapture on any date of any year destroys the doctrine of 'imminency' which is where I have issues. If you say that it will occur on Oct. 2 (for example) or Oct. 3, then that means the rapture cannot occur on any of the other 363 days of the year. Either imminency is wrong or this festival timing is.

By this I don't mean to challenge something cherished perhaps on this forum. But over the years I have not been exactly convinced that there is an actual doctrine of immendency. From what I recall Paul left the idea of a rapture potential occuring during his lifetime a potential because he was not given when exactly. And I think the thinking goes that if Paul did not know then it is imminent. But Paul not knowing does not necessarily affirm that it is imminent as much as it was just not revealed to him.

We are told in Daniel the concept of knowledge increasing and going to and fro. I typically align that with the nearing of the second half of the tribulation timing. But as a general "age" marker, it could refer to a time approaching the tribulation. Where the body dynamic is much more interested in considering prophecy and how we look at it and how Providence along the way might help inch our way toward perhaps more clear observations. Not progressive revelation. But rather progressive illumination (as Andy Woods puts it).

If so then, it might be that the rapture is not imminent though. Might that be a consideration according to forum ettiqute? Not sure. But the reason I bring it up is the book of Revaltion was written decades after Paul's death. So in theory, if the rapture had a measure of disclosure in the book of Revaltion, it could potentially on some level mitigate away from immenency, no?

The reason I bring that up is just because what we see in Rev 12 totally looks like rapture timing to me. Most don't see that. But that is my conviction. If it is true that it might be in Rev 12, then its not immenent. Its likely related then to the Rev 12 sign timing. Typically what is suggested by Rev 12 is that it is a recap of Christ's ascention. But it is demonstrated as a sign. Which implies a future fulfillment. I don't believe we have a hermeneutic of how signs point to the past, that I am aware of. And if not the past, it would seem clear on some levels that Rev 12 is highlighting the body (of which Christ is the head) that ascends to heaven. This seems to be the most reasonable view if we understand that signs don't work backward. And this is a view too held by dispensationalists for decades (maybe centuries) before Youtube ever came on the scene to make much of the whole Sept 23, 2017 account. So just sharing why I would not place too much emphasis on immenency as a biblical doctrine. It seems more like a church or denominational doctrine. At least to me. Just saying. Blessings.

 

[TCC]

When I opened up this thread my first thought was balderdash, but I did listen to the video, parts of it twice, and it is certainly intriguing. About the only fault I find with it is he says twice that that the 7 year covenant/agreement is signed and immediately after that the Rapture occurs. Now that is certainly possible as the Church would be untouched by God's wrath in that case, but that would also eliminate the doctrine of imminency for the Rapture, which is a doctrine that the majority of Rapture watchers agree with, and that @RonJohnSilver brings up above. So maybe the doctrine of imminency isn't correct and the sign that the Rapture is about to happen is the signing of that agreement? Another question I had after watching the video was the signing of the 7 year covenant/agreement that is supposedly scheduled to occur... is Israel going to even be a party to that agreement? At the moment I think not, but stranger things have happened.

The content in the video is certainly compelling. One thing I agree with is True Believers won't be caught off guard. I've long believed that the Holy Spirit would somehow let me know something wonderful is about to happen. That's just based on my decades of experience with the Holy Spirit indwelling me.

I won't be holding my breath, but will be quite pleased if the content in the video comes to pass as presented. The idea of only having to dwell in this fallen world another month or so before Jesus takes us home is definitely a happy thought. I'll keep watching and waiting, always looking up.

Some very good points TT. @Goodboy look what you started, lol.

 

[Andy C]

Who will win the burger fight? In this corner we have TT, and in the other corner we have Ghoti. The championship of burgers goes to who? We need to vote TT or Ghoti. I will bet on TT.

Army vs the Air Force, Army wins everyday……

 

[Andy C]

By this I don't mean to challenge something cherished perhaps on this forum. But over the years I have not been exactly convinced that there is an actual doctrine of immendency. From what I recall Paul left the idea of a rapture potential occuring during his lifetime a potential because he was not given when exactly. And I think the thinking goes that if Paul did not know then it is imminent. But Paul not knowing does not necessarily affirm that it is imminent as much as it was just not revealed to him.

We are told in Daniel the concept of knowledge increasing and going to and fro. I typically align that with the nearing of the second half of the tribulation timing. But as a general "age" marker, it could refer to a time approaching the tribulation. Where the body dynamic is much more interested in considering prophecy and how we look at it and how Providence along the way might help inch our way toward perhaps more clear observations. Not progressive revelation. But rather progressive illumination (as Andy Woods puts it).

If so then, it might be that the rapture is not imminent though. Might that be a consideration according to forum ettiqute? Not sure. But the reason I bring it up is the book of Revaltion was written decades after Paul's death. So in theory, if the rapture had a measure of disclosure in the book of Revaltion, it could potentially on some level mitigate away from immenency, no?

The reason I bring that up is just because what we see in Rev 12 totally looks like rapture timing to me. Most don't see that. But that is my conviction. If it is true that it might be in Rev 12, then its not immenent. Its likely related then to the Rev 12 sign timing. Typically what is suggested by Rev 12 is that it is a recap of Christ's ascention. But it is demonstrated as a sign. Which implies a future fulfillment. I don't believe we have a hermeneutic of how signs point to the past, that I am aware of. And if not the past, it would seem clear on some levels that Rev 12 is highlighting the body (of which Christ is the head) that ascends to heaven. This seems to be the most reasonable view if we understand that signs don't work backward. And this is a view too held by dispensationalists for decades (maybe centuries) before Youtube ever came on the scene to make much of the whole Sept 23, 2017 account. So just sharing why I would not place too much emphasis on immenency as a biblical doctrine. It seems more like a church or denominational doctrine. At least to me. Just saying. Blessings.

The doctrine of imminency only means nothing prophetic has to happen before the rapture.

 

[RonJohnSilver]

By this I don't mean to challenge something cherished perhaps on this forum. But over the years I have not been exactly convinced that there is an actual doctrine of immendency. From what I recall Paul left the idea of a rapture potential occuring during his lifetime a potential because he was not given when exactly. And I think the thinking goes that if Paul did not know then it is imminent. But Paul not knowing does not necessarily affirm that it is imminent as much as it was just not revealed to him.

We are told in Daniel the concept of knowledge increasing and going to and fro. I typically align that with the nearing of the second half of the tribulation timing. But as a general "age" marker, it could refer to a time approaching the tribulation. Where the body dynamic is much more interested in considering prophecy and how we look at it and how Providence along the way might help inch our way toward perhaps more clear observations. Not progressive revelation. But rather progressive illumination (as Andy Woods puts it).

If so then, it might be that the rapture is not imminent though. Might that be a consideration according to forum ettiqute? Not sure. But the reason I bring it up is the book of Revaltion was written decades after Paul's death. So in theory, if the rapture had a measure of disclosure in the book of Revaltion, it could potentially on some level mitigate away from immenency, no?

The reason I bring that up is just because what we see in Rev 12 totally looks like rapture timing to me. Most don't see that. But that is my conviction. If it is true that it might be in Rev 12, then its not immenent. Its likely related then to the Rev 12 sign timing. Typically what is suggested by Rev 12 is that it is a recap of Christ's ascention. But it is demonstrated as a sign. Which implies a future fulfillment. I don't believe we have a hermeneutic of how signs point to the past, that I am aware of. And if not the past, it would seem clear on some levels that Rev 12 is highlighting the body (of which Christ is the head) that ascends to heaven. This seems to be the most reasonable view if we understand that signs don't work backward. And this is a view too held by dispensationalists for decades (maybe centuries) before Youtube ever came on the scene to make much of the whole Sept 23, 2017 account. So just sharing why I would not place too much emphasis on immenency as a biblical doctrine. It seems more like a church or denominational doctrine. At least to me. Just saying. Blessings.

I had another thought along the 'no one knows the day' line. If the Feast of Trumpets is the correct time, then the rapture would, it seems, have to occur on the first day of the feast because, since it is a two day feast, once the first day ended, everyone would know the day. It would have to be the second day. Maybe that's too simplistic. I need a nap.

 

[Tall Timbers]

Who will win the burger fight? In this corner we have TT, and in the other corner we have Ghoti. The championship of burgers goes to who? We need to vote TT or Ghoti. I will bet on TT.

I think everybody who loves a good burger is at peace with one another. @Ghoti Ichthus certainly has my deepest respect for the frequency that burgers are her cuisine of choice. She certainly has demonstrated exquisite taste, and is consistent.