LightOfMyLife
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Clarifying about the Mormon church which the shooter was affiliated with. www.gotquestions.org/Mormons.html
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Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University.
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Andy Woods likened it to a foreshadowing of the Two Witnesses.
TCC
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Respectfully, dear charter brother for whom I am grateful toward to even have such a wonderful place as this forum you started and graciously provided for us to share in fellowship in as the days grow near, I believe the word does affirm that it was for the 1st century.
Acts 2:14-21 specifically says that the reason some onlookers thought the Pentecost crowd was drunk was because of the fulfillment of Joel's prophesy--That I will pour out My Spirit on all mankind--this was for them on that day. And would eventual spread to all the gentile world thereafter amen. The first century whether we consider them the last days or not could be discussed. But that verse biblically by God's word says without question it at least partially fulfilled on the Day of Pentecost in the 1st century.
I am not a doubter when it comes to a massive wave of God upon the earth. I just believe we see it it works itself out a little different in scripture. Mine is super controversial. Your's dear brother far less so. But I have taken my lumps for my views for 8 years now...that in spirit...not in necessarily letter, fully concur with how you understand the dear and lovely heart of the Lord to deal with his last generation in the age of grace. I would not see visions and things like that necessarily for the gentile church. But I would see a massive wave of His spirit most certainly visit on end day earth in no small ways. And I believe many will come to know Him in the days head.
I just asked you earlier because I have not run into folks that would see a great end time revival. And I am just humbly glad there are those like yourself and perhaps others on this forum that might see this as a great potential as well. In your case, you see it as aboslute. Me too brother. We just get there slightly different ways. Blessings.
LightOfMyLife
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Also, I have heard he is being compared to Stephen who was stoned for his faith.
LightOfMyLife
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Explains the two witnesses that are killed and resurrected after 3 1/2 days. www.gotquestions.org/two-witnesses.html
TCC
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I have not been following this story too closely...but just on the surface...the guy they caught sounds like a profile the left wants someone to have as defining a violent shooter. I suppose it could be correct. But with all the potentials because of Kirk's anti-fan base, the left, massad, even Turning Point might have reason to want to change show direction could be as a suspect I imagine. It just seems like this guy is fed to us by the media. Maybe its just me...lol. Blessings.
TCC
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Thanks TT. So yeah just starting to catch up on Antifa like and it is looking like he was turned in by his dad. Hopefully what can be learned from his mindset will help provide some healing context.
Blessings.
Erika Kirk, the widow of Charlie Kirk , will make her first remarks Friday evening since her husband's death, Turning Point USA said.
Kirk will address the media at 8:15 p.m. ET from Arizona, where her husband will be buried.
The event will be livestreamed on Turning Point USA's YouTube, X and Rumble pages.
It will also be shown live on Fox News' "Jesse Watters Primetime."
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Kirk will address the media at 8:15 p.m. ET from Arizona, where her husband will be buried.
The event will be livestreamed on Turning Point USA's YouTube, X and Rumble pages.
It will also be shown live on Fox News' "Jesse Watters Primetime."
Charlie Kirk assassination suspect Tyler Robinson named, mugshots released
President Donald Trump announced Friday on “FOX & Friends” that an arrest was made in the manhunt for Charlie Kirk’s assassin. “I think, with a high degree of certainty, we have him in custody” Trump said.
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LightOfMyLife
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ThanksErika Kirk, the widow of Charlie Kirk , will make her first remarks Friday evening since her husband's death, Turning Point USA said.
Kirk will address the media at 8:15 p.m. ET from Arizona, where her husband will be buried.
The event will be livestreamed on Turning Point USA's YouTube, X and Rumble pages.
It will also be shown live on Fox News' "Jesse Watters Primetime."
Charlie Kirk assassination suspect Tyler Robinson named, mugshots released
President Donald Trump announced Friday on “FOX & Friends” that an arrest was made in the manhunt for Charlie Kirk’s assassin. “I think, with a high degree of certainty, we have him in custody” Trump said.
for sharing info we will be watching interested to hear what she 
has to say.
LightOfMyLife
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She did a great job speaking about her husband Charlie, and held herself together well.
Cheeky200386
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I agree. I was in tears and praising the Lord for her Faith and how she glorified Jesus Christ and urged everyone to call upon his name to be saved. Praise the Lord. I was even comforted when I saw that her video had 4 million views.
Respectfully, my brother, I believe you are limiting the Word of God. Yes, the "last days" definitely began in the first century, right there at the beginning of the Church. Arguably one could make the case that the last days began at Christ's resurrection; but certainly they began at the foundation of the Church. However where do you find that they ended there? I have searched scripture and cannot find any such indication. And if those were the last days, what are these in which we live? Did the last days end back then? If so, what were they the last days of? Israel? I think to conclude that is not only illogical but renders the term "last days" meaningless. In various epistles we find references to last days that were future to the times of the writers and their audience. May I suggest that true exegesis leads us to conclude that the last days have spanned almost 2,000 years? That the last days that began in the first century continue today and are now --by the signs we see-- approaching their end? And if so, then every last days promise is still in effect.
Ronnie
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WHEN DID THE LAST DAYS BEGIN?
In Acts 2:17-21 Peter is quoting the prophet Joel about the last days. So, did the last days start during Peters time? Or was it later? How can we know we are not simply excited about big changes in society and calling it the end times?When Did The Last Days Begin? – Grace thru faith
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TCC
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Hi Pastor. Thanks for the reply brother. To give at @Ronnie due credit, the leaning of that Acts 2 passage seems to imply a time of blood and fire and vapor of smoke. And I don't believe we have seen those like that yet. Also I would say though that Peter uses Joel "last days" events to affirm Pentecost is "of" this nature. In and of itself, no, this does not insist it is the last days Peter is talking about occuring in the first century. And if that is all we had on last days it would be i think a bit of a stretch to and run and say the 1st century is the last days. But we have other indicators.
- Hebrews 1:2: The author mentions that God has spoken to us by His Son in these last days.
- James 5:3: James refers to the last days in the context of warning the rich about their wealth.
- 1 John 2:18: John states that it is the last hour, and many antichrists have come.
Now in that sense I would see somewhat of a dispensational mirror. A time visiting them at Pentacost with another wave of it in the futrue too. Aside from overly forceing those concepts into a 69th and 70th week improper, I would look at it from the standpoint of this kind of activity from God to be more or less the marker. Lets say beyond a 69th/70th week fulfillment of miracles. Looking at it from that standpoint, I believe the period that Jesus walked on earth and the period of the tribulation will both be periods in time of supernatural activty not common in eras. For example, we won't have angels flying around at midheaven calling us to repent in the age of grace. But that condtion in a miraculous age as the tribulation will contain angles doing just that.
Its not so much that I see the last days having stopped. Or by what i might reference implying Pentocst stopped (which is a very fair and more than reasonable question, amen). But rather that what happened at Pentecost and what will happen at the time of blood and fire and vapors of smoke to be the outlier periods of the norm even though thought of as last days. In other words, I don't believe because it says last days that those things have to happen whenever it is last days. But that those things will happen in the last days. Similar in concept to Ez 38. That didn't happen in the first century nor for 2k years going. But it will happen in the last days too. That possibly being the age of grace side of the last days of which the tribulation be its climax. So even though it happened in Pentecost with promise for something more in the last days too, I would not take that to automatically mean every day in the last days has to have that. But that last days timing will include both Pentecost and a future miraculous fulfillment as well.
In some ways, it would be similar exegetically like to say, "Since it is the last days we should be seeing blood, fire, and smoke pillars for the full 2,000 years. But because it is "last days" though it is not mandetory that those things always happen ever day of the last days. And becuase of that i don't believe there has to be a mention of where any of Pentocost might have stopped or that there would be a stopping point necessarily. However based on my understanding of Apostolic gifts having ceased with them and their era, I would offer that 1 Cor 13:8, to me does show an overview. For prophesy will be done away (to me closing of the canon). Tongues ceased (closing of the canon). Knowledge done away with, return of Christ. Or perhap the final state on that one, not sure how that might work in the millenial kingdom.
So just like in that sense Pastor where prophecy and tongues have terms used of their having an end point, and the realizing too for example as expressed in other posts, that there has never been a witness where since the first century people speaking are heard in diverse languages at the same time. At least on that point affirming this nature of tongues was for the 1st century authenticating miracle in concert with the writing of a new testament. So this is how I would understand all of that. You likely may see different. But this does, for me, make a lot of sense.
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But what i will say in favor of continuationism consideration is that if God wills for His spirit to be poured out on the gentile church and perhaps Jew as well at the close of the age of grace. I would of course have no problem with that. God does as He pleases. In addition I can believe also though too that even if it is not in a Joel sense, there would likely be some sense of it perhaps in the last days of the age of grace. I'm skeptical of a lot of what we see in the church today. And for example like what NAR does with prophecy. I would say this though, that if there is a Joel outpouring of the spirit on the gentile world, it would understandably be in part to last moment like help prick Israel one last time unto jealousy. I suppose for that reason it could or even might. I guess i just see the conufsion coming out of the charismatic, pentecostal, and NAR camps. And it just to me would not seem that that gets replaced with real prophecy and miracles.
Rather it makes more sense to me biblically that since the 144k will become after the miraculous ministry of the 2 witnesses...that period right there seems hugely ripe for the spirit of God to fall all over the place on them. Even lining this period up with the 6th seal. The last event before the 144k are sealed from trumpets. It just fits super easy in that space for the words it uses and the reasons that would obviously also be related to the 144k mission (and that whole period of time being lived out from the miraculous 2 witnesses period on earth). If that makes sense? I know we may not agree. But I hope this at least makes sense in how i might be looking at that.
Just for clarity's sake since we are discussing this and my view is pretty out there eschatologically speaking, what I would believe to occur in the last of the last age of grace days is for an unprecidented storm of justice against globlaism occur. And this amaze and even shock people. But i don't believe that is a rivival. I would just see that as a demonstration to Israel (who would benefit most from all of that i believe), the gentile nations to be brought in sounder economic operation with themselves and towards Israel. And during this period also a toe of people coming to God realizing His character move over the earth at large. For I don't believe there woud be any other way to explain those occurances if not God. Of course there will be unbelievers that never will. And Israel stay mostly hardened. But a period of the ripest time possible for the whole world to see the overwhelming character of God. And because of it, many believe. To me i guess we could say it would be like the overwhelming lovingkindness of the Lord. Not necessarily a time of visions, dreams, and supernatural miracles. But a grand time of providential miracle revelaing His character one last great time. And then the rapture. And then Ez 38 for after all that still not believing--qualifies for that war and a generation entering into the tribulation timeframe. Blesssings.
TCC
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This is an awesome question. I would see Acts 2 and Joel 2 as drive-by fulfillments. lol. Probably sounds odd. I mean i understand how Joel quote looks to you dear brother. But it is for what is occuring at Pentecost in why Peter says that though. So in some sense it would apply as much as a group of believers seemed drunk. But if the last days are thousands of years, yes i understand we might wonder are we all tripping out and its nowhere near end times? In that sense i would go with 2,000 years being like a day fitting with Hosea 6:2 prophetically providing a sense of timeline. The last 2 days being the last two thousand years. And the 3rd day (or the 7th in the history of mankind) would be to me the sabbath rest of the millenial kingdom (if we would see that mankind had lived on earth for 4k years up to the point of Christ--itself mirroring a week of years: 1k years per day x 7...then the eternal state).WHEN DID THE LAST DAYS BEGIN?
In Acts 2:17-21 Peter is quoting the prophet Joel about the last days. So, did the last days start during Peters time? Or was it later? How can we know we are not simply excited about big changes in society and calling it the end times?
When Did The Last Days Begin? – Grace thru faith
So it could still rightly be quite a number of years off, amen. But I actually have an aswer for that...lol. And this is just my opinion. But we know because we saw Ez 37 and know Ez 38 encrouches among us in those last days. When Trump affirmed Jerusalem and Golan Heights for Israel, to me, that is an indicator we are likely over the target. The other way to swiss watch the progress toward where the minute hand and second hand are in end time prophecy would be how much is Ez 38 forming. And how close does it look like Ez 38 nations snapshot. But I would say also i believe there is another way. Because this would not be happenstance if it occurs. But if we are moving along the Ez 38 timeline, then we should see Israel coming to a place of peace and safety. If we see that occur, like through the Abraham Accords and how Gaza is handled. I'd say that would be a very biblically sound way for our dog ears to perk way up. Because unless that is a work of God, that won't happen in our lifetime. But if it does, as i think it might, i believe that is the bell ringing...ringing for dinner time.
You may see it differently, amen. But to me the plain road map is watching Ez 38 coming into form as our 21st century eschatological symptom indicator. If that makes sense? So if we see Israel get peace and safety and most of or all of the nation states today line up as in how we would understand them to be in Ezekiel 38, I believe that is how we could know. Blessings.
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WHEN DID THE LAST DAYS BEGIN?
In Acts 2:17-21 Peter is quoting the prophet Joel about the last days. So, did the last days start during Peters time? Or was it later? How can we know we are not simply excited about big changes in society and calling it the end times?
When Did The Last Days Begin? – Grace thru faith
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