Who Returns With Jesus At His 2nd Coming?

***I saw this on Olive tree Views Ministries and I have to say I learned something new, as I thought all Raptured Saints would be riding on White Horses following King Jesus in Revelation 19. The article uses scripture to explain who comes with Jesus in His Second Coming.
@mattfivefour I am anxious to see your comments on this article
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Behold, the Lord came with many thousands of His holy ones, to execute judgment upon all, Jude 14b-15a
Jesus returns at the end of the Tribulation to defeat Satan’s armies who had gathered at the valley of Har-Meggido (Tel Megiddo), what today is referred to as the Valley of Armageddon.
Satan’s world army will march down the Jordan Valley past Jerusalem on the way to Petra to wipe out the Jews once and for all. Jesus and Satan battle, but it’s not much of a battle. Jesus speaks, Satan loses, Israel wins.

From His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations, Rev. 19:15

So the question is, who are these “Holy Ones" who come with the Lord from heaven?”

the LORD, my God, will come, and all the holy ones with Him! Zech 14:5b

“Holy ones” in scripture can refer to either angels and/or Believers. And we know both angels and Believers return with Christ at the Second Coming:

Angels:

…they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory. And He will send forth His angels… Matt. 24:30b-31a

Believers:

the coming of our Lord Jesus with all His saints. 1Thes. 3:13b

Armies of Heaven:

And the armies which are in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, were following Him on white horses. Rev. 19:14

These armies are wearing fine linen…

the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints. Rev. 19:8b

So clearly, both Believers and angels return with the Lord on His Second Coming to rule and reign during the Millennium.

But if millions are Raptured, why are only thousands returning with Him? “Thousands” sticks out like a sore thumb. In the Greek, it literally means “His holy ten thousands.” If those are the only Christians of all time who make it to heaven, I'm going to have to rethink who gets saved!

To find the answer let’s first set the stage…

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Who Returns With Jesus At His 2nd Coming? - Compass International

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[Batman]

Doesn't the entirety of saved mankind already in heaven come back with Christ.....OT saints, everyone saved under the cross/Grace, raptured saints, fallen Trib saints, and also the heavenly hosts of the various angelic realm?

 

[1LoverofGod]

Doesn't the entirety of saved mankind already in heaven come back with Christ.....OT saints, everyone saved under the cross/Grace, raptured saints, fallen Trib saints, and also the heavenly hosts of the various angelic realm?

This was my understanding as you point out, but as the article explains going by Jude 14-15 it's "thousands" of Jesus Army that come with Jesus to battle. It doesn't mean that the rest of the Saints don't come and reside in the Millennial Kingdom with Jesus, what the article points out is that the Saints are given different positions and I would think those positions are given at the Bema Seat when Rewards are given. We won't be disappointed with whatever position we are given, but as Jude expresses only "thousands" are in the Army, these in particular are given the position to battle with Jesus at the Second Coming.
I hadn't heard this before but the way it's explained makes sense.
However, I am looking forward to @mattfivefour thoughts on this.

 

[Tall Timbers]

I've always taken Ten thousands to imply a very large number. Since thousands is plural I expect it means many multiples of ten thousand. Millions or billions would likely have been difficult to comprehend back in the day. By using ten thousands it's understandable for every generation

 

[mattfivefour]

Well, first of all I'd be very leery of building a doctrine on just one verse. That said, Jude had a problem when he wrote because the Greeks had no number for million or billion. The largest number they had a name for was murias (μυριάς) which meant 10,000. We get our word myriad from that. That Jude uses this word in the plural means that he is referring to multiple ten thousands, with no actual number or limit in sight. In Revelation 5:11, John struggled to give a sense of quantity to an innumerable number by using the words "myriads of myriads and thousands of thousands." Since the word translated myriad means 10,000's, then he was saying 10, 000's of 10,000's: in other words (many) multiples of 100 million ... PLUS thousands of thousands.

I think both Jude and John were simply trying to convey numbers beyond the human imagination ... or at least beyond their ability to describe. I think it would be wise to leave it at that and not attempt to draw any other meaning out of it.

As to Bill Perkins' attempt to determine who returns with Jesus, he may be correct; but it is largely speculation. Personally, I am content to rest on 1 Thessalonians 3:13 where Paul writes that Jesus will be coming μετὰ πάντων τῶν ἁγίων αὐτοῦ ... literally "with (or among) all of the saints of Him." To me that implies all of us.

 

[1LoverofGod]

Well, first of all I'd be very leery of building a doctrine on just one verse. That said, Jude had a problem when he wrote because the Greeks had no number for million or billion. The largest number they had a name for was murias (μυριάς) which meant 10,000. We get our word myriad from that. That Jude uses this word in the plural means that he is referring to multiple ten thousands, with no actual number or limit in sight. In Revelation 5:11, John struggled to give a sense of quantity to an innumerable number by using the words "myriads of myriads and thousands of thousands." Since the word translated myriad means 10,000's, then he was saying 10, 000's of 10,000's: in other words (many) multiples of 100 million ... PLUS thousands of thousands.

I think both Jude and John were simply trying to convey numbers beyond the human imagination ... or at least beyond their ability to describe. I think it would be wise to leave it at that and not attempt to draw any other meaning out of it.

As to Bill Perkins' attempt to determine who returns with Jesus, he may be correct; but it is largely speculation. Personally, I am content to rest on 1 Thessalonians 3:13 where Paul writes that Jesus will be coming μετὰ πάντων τῶν ἁγίων αὐτοῦ ... literally "with (or among) all of the saints of Him." To me that implies all of us.

Thank you.

 

[RonJohnSilver]

Elvis? The King and the King of Kings.

 

[Spartan Sprinter]

I've always taken Ten thousands to imply a very large number. Since thousands is plural I expect it means many multiples of ten thousand. Millions or billions would likely have been difficult to comprehend back in the day. By using ten thousands it's understandable for every generation

Revelation used the number "million" for the army from the east though ?

 

[Batman]

I saw a preacher leading a Zechariah Bible study that thinks the armies with Christ that will be invincible with no capability of being harmed are us; I believe along with the angels. It was interesting for sure.

 

[1LoverofGod]

I saw a preacher leading a Zechariah Bible study that thinks the armies with Christ that will be invincible with no capability of being harmed are us; I believe along with the angels. It was interesting for sure.

I've always believed that all believers and the angels follow Jesus in Revelation 19. I read the article with it's titled question and I wanted feedback and was interested in what comments Adrian would have because I found it somewhat out there to say only some with the given position to battle with Jesus would come with Him at His Second Coming because of that was the case then where's the scriptures that say the rest of the Saints come seperately? I purposely chose to put the article under Bible Questions and not in a different section because it was a question I wanted addressed.
I suppose like other prophetic issues some have their theories but on this, I lean towards we all come with Jesus in Revelation 19.

 

[Tall Timbers]

I suppose like other prophetic issues some have their theories but on this, I lean towards we all come with Jesus in Revelation 19.

Yep, I agree. Teachers, Preachers, Article Writers sometimes come up with ideas that one would have a difficult time confirming with the Word.

 

[Margery]

Revelation used the number "million" for the army from the east though ?

The greek used is the same - myriads on myriads BUT the word for 2 is in front of it. acc to my esword, for Rev9:16

So it's a similar uncountable large number but doubled.

 

[Tall Timbers]

Revelation used the number "million" for the army from the east though ?

I think the armies from the east and the 2x myriad upon myriad pertain to two completely separate judgements.

 

[Spartan Sprinter]

The greek used is the same - myriads on myriads BUT the word for 2 is in front of it. acc to my esword, for Rev9 16

So it's a similar uncountable large number but doubled.

Thanks Margery, so the number million that we see is just a translation and not the actual word used in the old texts ?

 

[Margery]

Thanks Margery, so the number million that we see is just a translation and not the actual word used in the old texts ?

As best as I can see it is, but @mattfivefour has access to far better Greek and Hebrew lexicons- all I have is Strongs. And Adrian has a grasp of Hebrew and Greek grammar which also affect the meaning of a word.

I think the armies from the east and the 2x myriad upon myriad pertain to two completely separate judgements.

I think you are right, there's a hazy memory ringing bells in the distance in my brain, but I'm foggy today.

 

[mattfivefour]

Thanks Margery, so the number million that we see is just a translation and not the actual word used in the old texts ?

Yes. The word "million" definitely does not appear in the original Greek. Now, the actual Greek depends on the manuscripts used: one main group of manuscripts reads "twice ten thousands of ten thousands (δισμυριάδες μυριάδων) while the other main group reads "two ten thousands of ten thousands" (δύο μυριάδες μυριάδων). The difference is irrelevant as both convey the same idea: and that idea is not a specific number but a concept of a number that is extremely large ... in fact, larger than any number known to man at that time

 

[1LoverofGod]

"Thus the Lord my God will come,
And all the saints with You."
Zechariah 14:5b

There you go
All the saints

Thank you Lord for leading me to Your Word for answers.