What to Make of Why Paula White?

[Margery]

It's odd how American Presidents have to proclaim their salvation - even Obama tried to get away with that, pointing to his attendance at that "church" where the preacher blasted whites from the pulpit and other racist trash. I remember Bill Clinton attempting that along with Hilary- a Methodist church I seem to recall. Because they didn't want to alienate the base. Very cleverly done.

Trump doesn't play those games. He says what he thinks. We can selectively ignore things and stitch other stuff together in a hopeful view of what he truly meant, but it's best to take him at face value.

We don't know whether he is saved or not. We need to pray for him in that regard. I take Jack Hibbs and others proclaiming his new found faith as evangelastic- wishful thinking, hopeful thinking.

He might be as Ev Life says, so young he doesn't understand much, so he comes out with a works based get to heaven sounding idea or he isn't saved yet. In spite of all efforts by Jack Hibbs, the Grahams, and Mike Huckabee and others who preach a clear gospel, he might have told them what they wanted to hear in order to get on with other things on his very busy agenda.

I take hearsay evidence of his "salvation" as hopeful, but I continue to pray for the man's salvation because 1: I don't know his heart, God does and 2: he needs all the prayer he can get. I'm not big on wishful thinking so I pray as if he were unsaved.

 

[mattfivefour]

Trump realizes being good enough for heaven is not in the cards for him. A perfect opportunity for true believers in Trump's life to speak deeper gospel to the man.

Exactly! I pray someone who can reach him will take advantage of this.

 

[Andiamo]

Lord, may Pres Trump, in realizing that getting into Heaven is the one thing that his money, strength, fame or brains can not accomplish, feel the frailty and the weakness and the hopelessness that we as humans all have outside of Christ. May he get quiet and alone and reach out from the depth of his soul to You - recognizing You as the One and Only One who can save his soul and usher him into Heaven as he so desperately wants to be there. In Jesus’ Name, So be it Lord.

 

[LightOfMyLife]

It's odd how American Presidents have to proclaim their salvation - even Obama tried to get away with that, pointing to his attendance at that "church" where the preacher blasted whites from the pulpit and other racist trash. I remember Bill Clinton attempting that along with Hilary- a Methodist church I seem to recall. Because they didn't want to alienate the base. Very cleverly done.

Trump doesn't play those games. He says what he thinks. We can selectively ignore things and stitch other stuff together in a hopeful view of what he truly meant, but it's best to take him at face value.

We don't know whether he is saved or not. We need to pray for him in that regard. I take Jack Hibbs and others proclaiming his new found faith as evangelastic- wishful thinking, hopeful thinking.

He might be as Ev Life says, so young he doesn't understand much, so he comes out with a works based get to heaven sounding idea or he isn't saved yet. In spite of all efforts by Jack Hibbs, the Grahams, and Mike Huckabee and others who preach a clear gospel, he might have told them what they wanted to hear in order to get on with other things on his very busy agenda.

I take hearsay evidence of his "salvation" as hopeful, but I continue to pray for the man's salvation because 1: I don't know his heart, God does and 2: he needs all the prayer he can get. I'm not big on wishful thinking so I pray as if he were unsaved.

In that video Andiamo posted he said I am trying to get to heaven. That doesn't sound like a person that is secure and has assurance that he is. It reminds me of the expression walking on egg shells. As if I don't measure up I won't be good enough to enter heaven. that he makes sure by believing and receiving the gift of salvation that Jesus paid his sin debt in full with his shed blood. It is his grace and mercy.

 

[Margery]

In that video Andiamo posted he said I am trying to get to heaven. That doesn't sound like a person that is secure and has assurance that he is. It reminds me of the expression walking on egg shells. As if I don't measure up I won't be good enough to enter heaven. that he makes sure by believing and receiving the gift of salvation that Jesus paid his sin debt in full with his shed blood. It is his grace and mercy.

I'd hate to see him sleep walk into hell. By the Christians around him thinking he's saved when he isn't. We can pray to wake them up to the need, and wake HIM up to HIS need for Jesus as His saviour.

 

[Amethyst]

We need to pray for him in that regard. I take Jack Hibbs and others proclaiming his new found faith as evangelastic- wishful thinking, hopeful thinking.

In spite of all efforts by Jack Hibbs, the Grahams, and Mike Huckabee and others who preach a clear gospel, he might have told them what they wanted to hear in order to get on with other things on his very busy agenda.

Agree, same.
I believe people want to believe he is saved * in spite of * the things he says. It's kind of odd to me because he gets more of a pass on that than a lot of other swould.

No, I don't think he is a baby in the faith. I think he doesn't understand the gospel. And I don't mean , ignorant, I just mean he literally doesn't understand that he is bad to the bone (like me) and needs a Savior.

https://www.c-span.org/clip/campaign-2016/user-clip-have-you-ever-asked-god-for-forgiveness/4619501

Trump: 'Why Do I Have to Repent or Ask for Forgiveness If I Am Not Making Mistakes?' (Video)

Following Donald Trump s appearance last week at the Family Leadership Summit in Iowa, CNN s Anderson Cooper sought out clarification on Trump s assertion that he s unsure if he ever asks God s

www.christianpost.com

I know that stuff was a few years ago, but I really believe he would recant that stuff today if he had actually gotten saved.

Of course, I don't know Trump's heart, and no one knows mine. But the fruit of your words tends to tell the tale.

That being said, I happen to believe he is one of those who will get saved before he dies!

 

[LightOfMyLife]

Agree, same.
I believe people want to believe he is saved * in spite of * the things he says. It's kind of odd to me because he gets more of a pass on that than a lot of other swould.

No, I don't think he is a baby in the faith. I think he doesn't understand the gospel. And I don't mean , ignorant, I just mean he literally doesn't understand that he is bad to the bone (like me) and needs a Savior.

https://www.c-span.org/clip/campaign-2016/user-clip-have-you-ever-asked-god-for-forgiveness/4619501

Trump: 'Why Do I Have to Repent or Ask for Forgiveness If I Am Not Making Mistakes?' (Video)

Following Donald Trump s appearance last week at the Family Leadership Summit in Iowa, CNN s Anderson Cooper sought out clarification on Trump s assertion that he s unsure if he ever asks God s

www.christianpost.com

I know that stuff was a few years ago, but I really believe he would recant that stuff today if he had actually gotten saved.

Of course, I don't know Trump's heart, and no one knows mine. But the fruit of your words tends to tell the tale.

That being said, I happen to believe he is one of those who will get saved before he dies!

Anyone that doesn't think they sin are deceiving themselves because there was Only One Perfect Man and God Jesus. Also, pride/liar is not a good thing that is Satan's sins.

 

[TCC]

It's odd how American Presidents have to proclaim their salvation - even Obama tried to get away with that, pointing to his attendance at that "church" where the preacher blasted whites from the pulpit and other racist trash. I remember Bill Clinton attempting that along with Hilary- a Methodist church I seem to recall. Because they didn't want to alienate the base. Very cleverly done.

Trump doesn't play those games. He says what he thinks. We can selectively ignore things and stitch other stuff together in a hopeful view of what he truly meant, but it's best to take him at face value.

We don't know whether he is saved or not. We need to pray for him in that regard. I take Jack Hibbs and others proclaiming his new found faith as evangelastic- wishful thinking, hopeful thinking.

He might be as Ev Life says, so young he doesn't understand much, so he comes out with a works based get to heaven sounding idea or he isn't saved yet. In spite of all efforts by Jack Hibbs, the Grahams, and Mike Huckabee and others who preach a clear gospel, he might have told them what they wanted to hear in order to get on with other things on his very busy agenda.

I take hearsay evidence of his "salvation" as hopeful, but I continue to pray for the man's salvation because 1: I don't know his heart, God does and 2: he needs all the prayer he can get. I'm not big on wishful thinking so I pray as if he were unsaved.

Yes and amen. I believe that is the right heart. I mean if Trump is coming off the cuff with how he has been sharing lately...lol. The man is not a believer. He respects the faith. I just don't see that he has embraced it. So ima gonna pull a fast one in light of this....hehe. lol. To make the point...

I like that Hibbs is into Ez 38 and has good rapport with Behold Israel Ministries. I think Jack has accomplished much. But i see him as a man that does not have the best discernment. He might even admit to that if you ask him why he doesn't support Trump like he used to. He still supports him, but not like he use to. And i think that is a great thing.

The Fast One
Ok so the way i see it, when we see Trump at Kirks memorial saying he does not forgive his enemies and people losing it over that (which i feel bad about because I am noticing something with society that i am noticing with myself...please see below: XMX). I believe Trump is 007 Jame Bond Hit Man against globalism. I believe he is The Punisher. So his job is not to forgive and show what it looks like to be a Christian. His job is to GI Joe kick booty and take names. And put out a bunch of fires. Replace the central banking beast system with real money. Help Israel gain traction in the middle east while making peace as one can. I believe that is what this administration is cut out to do. Is designed to do. AND I believe that is a huge part of end times. For some, it seems anathema that what i just said could belong to end times. The good news if it is...we probably have a lot of time yet with family and grand kids and great grand kids because it looks like its gonna take a long good while. So we all have time to prepare. To minister, to love on family, and to witness to the lost. I'm trying to think of a ministry that would be good to support gospel witness to Israel because i think that is where the funneling is headed in many ways.

Magery, I hope we do see Trump in heaven. I hope he does become a believer. Who knows, that cat may be here during Ez 38. My how that would blow the mind. Perhaps that would push him later on (should the Lord permit him longer life). The thing i don't do much of though is consider if he is a believer or not. My eschatology has 0 to do with that. In some ways it would be probably harder for my view to exist if Trump became an evangelist. I mean who would not want the end of the church age to be a true conversion in Trump sharing jesus all over the place. wow. But I just see a little different assignment in line. Although that other one would have been so precious. Thanks for your reply. Blessings.


PS-Dom...

XMX -- What I have been noticing lately is that a lot of my life was looking at things through a comic book filter. And as years go by i see how ridiculously i was looking at things. Like God saying: "What is, is brother." It does not matter what Jmac did or did not do. It does not matter how I use the word this way or that way to deflect or mature. Most of what i am receiving and puting out there was based upon a makeshift comic book story board. As the dust settles, it is clearly the reality of what is real that was always there. The rest just seemed like i was playing a lot of mind games with myself lol.

So i kind of feel like society is doing that too. Like there is a show i actually like called OneMinuteToMidnite.com. They seem like very lovely brothers and sisters. And 10 years ago i would have totally agreed with them. And even where i don't, they still have some very great points. And super awesome hearts. But the way they look at Trump to me is bubblegum logic. Like thinking he should show what being a Christian is about if God were to use him. I don't think God needs our permission how that works though.

 

[TCC]

Exactly! I pray someone who can reach him will take advantage of this.

lol. Yeah its like Trump is initiating a super huge invite. "Hey church, in the event you might know the gospel...here is jughead me...your fav president...come witness now paleese." lol -- Trump...the super low hanging fruit...da dump dum...cha

 

[TCC]

In that video Andiamo posted he said I am trying to get to heaven. That doesn't sound like a person that is secure and has assurance that he is. It reminds me of the expression walking on egg shells. As if I don't measure up I won't be good enough to enter heaven. that he makes sure by believing and receiving the gift of salvation that Jesus paid his sin debt in full with his shed blood. It is his grace and mercy.

It does suggest however "a man with a conscience." Which usually does not go very well with politics.

 

[TCC]

I'd hate to see him sleep walk into hell. By the Christians around him thinking he's saved when he isn't. We can pray to wake them up to the need, and wake HIM up to HIS need for Jesus as His saviour.

Awesome point. That would be so drastically tragic. And could be a caption for our time. Like the David Bowie move, The Man Who Fell to Earth, about a man who came to earth from another planet to get water for his dying family. Only to forget about them because of so much plush living. Only...THIS...is not a movie. But God

 

[TCC]

Anyone that doesn't think they sin are deceiving themselves because there was Only One Perfect Man and God Jesus. Also, pride/liar is not a good thing that is Satan's sins.

To me it seems so much of Jesus ministry was helping Israel understand:

A) They would never be religious enough
B) They needed to become a new creation entirely to know true salvation

Quick Note: Sometimes i get caught up in weird studies to see other types of fruit fall from the tree i didn't know i was looking for. There seems to be a trend today that believes that Paul was well meaning but confused and not legit. I've heard about that for years but today gave it a few hours. And its sad to see the way some torture scripture to prove Paul wrong...lol. What seems to be the more grievous takeaway is they end up not understanding Christ is God. Which blew my mind they were THAT. A cult. Not just very immature believers (which is kind of what i guess i thought before checking it out).

So yeah just thought to mention that because of how simply beautiful and precious the gospel is. Trump is alive at a time when the aforementioned is kind of trendy on youtube. By very likable and fashionable men. Horrific. So precious our era was before what ever we call this peak season we are in from the post-modern era. We were the last generation to see normalcy...lol. Before the whole thing blew up stupid like. I'm hoping @Amethyst is right.

 

[Andiamo]

There seems to be a trend today that believes that Paul was well meaning but confused and not legit. I've heard about that for years but today gave it a few hours. And its sad to see the way some torture scripture to prove Paul wrong...lol. What seems to be the more grievous takeaway is they end up not understanding Christ is God. Which blew my mind they were THAT. A cult.

We had a guy like that blow into our previous forum a few years back. I had never heard of these people. One of the strangest, creepiest things I have ever experienced on the internet. It was the middle of the night and I was tired. This guy starts insinuating that Paul’s writings were not God-inspired. The way he said it was absolutely insidious. And yes, I could see that where he was going with it was to instill doubt as to the deity of Christ. It was astonishing really. Gave me the creeps to no end. I let him have it and so did Pastor Adrian. Swatted that demon like a fly.

 

[mattfivefour]

Clearly they do not accept Peter's writings either. For in his second episode, the lead apostle wrote: "15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures." In that last verse Peter plainly puts Paul's writing on the same level as the rest of Scripture.

These people remind me of the so-called red letter Christians who claim to live only by the words of Jesus in red. Thereby they ignore the fact that nearly all of Christ's teaching in the gospels was pre-crucifixion and resurrection and, thus, they ignore the epistles where God gives us the full revelation of the gospel and all it provides.

 

[Margery]

We had a guy like that blow into our previous forum a few years back. I had never heard of these people. One of the strangest, creepiest things I have ever experienced on the internet. It was the middle of the night and I was tired. This guy starts insinuating that Paul’s writings were not God-inspired. The way he said it was absolutely insidious. And yes, I could see that where he was going with it was to instill doubt as to the deity of Christ. It was astonishing really. Gave me the creeps to no end. I let him have it and so did Pastor Adrian. Swatted that demon like a fly.

Clearly they do not accept Peter's writings either. For in his second episode, the lead apostle wrote: "15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures." In that last verse Peter plainly puts Paul's writing on the same level as the rest of Scripture.

These people remind me of the so-called red letter Christians who claim to live only by the words of Jesus in red. Thereby they ignore the fact that nearly all of Christ's teaching in the gospels was pre-crucifixion and resurrection and, thus, they ignore the epistles where God gives us the full revelation of the gospel and all it provides.

They REALLY bother me. When we chop up the Bible, and ignore parts of God's Word we call God irrelevant! He inspired the whole thing, Paul included.

 

[TCC]

We had a guy like that blow into our previous forum a few years back. I had never heard of these people. One of the strangest, creepiest things I have ever experienced on the internet. It was the middle of the night and I was tired. This guy starts insinuating that Paul’s writings were not God-inspired. The way he said it was absolutely insidious. And yes, I could see that where he was going with it was to instill doubt as to the deity of Christ. It was astonishing really. Gave me the creeps to no end. I let him have it and so did Pastor Adrian. Swatted that demon like a fly.

Wow that is creepy...in the middle of the night. The guys i saw were a lot more friendly and inviting. But yeah what stood out is that they used scripture in their own understanding to refute scripture....lol. Which was pretty bizarre. Like the dangers we see in interpreting everything that is going on today through our preferred eschatological lenses. To some extent, where we see it line up with scripture, we see prophecy unfolding. But then, there are so many laying out full blueprints based on mere understanding of what the word "might" be saying. Well its sad and tragic. But specifically when seeing the new testament like God testing us to see gnostically what truly is what He is saying and what truly He is not (left to our pure own discernment), wow...so so scary.

 

[TCC]

Clearly they do not accept Peter's writings either. For in his second episode, the lead apostle wrote: "15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures." In that last verse Peter plainly puts Paul's writing on the same level as the rest of Scripture.

These people remind me of the so-called red letter Christians who claim to live only by the words of Jesus in red. Thereby they ignore the fact that nearly all of Christ's teaching in the gospels was pre-crucifixion and resurrection and, thus, they ignore the epistles where God gives us the full revelation of the gospel and all it provides.

Good observation pastor. What happens then is they see Peter duped and Luke who recorded acts as duped and so many of the apostles. This is error but it also is kind of like an epitome of lovers of self off the charts. So trusting in one's own discernment kind of makes me mad...lol. Like, "REALLY?" Creating mood theater as God's interpreters of "the true word of God." They seem like men too who would have at least some level of common sense to check themselves. Pretty wild.

 

[TCC]

They REALLY bother me. When we chop up the Bible, and ignore parts of God's Word we call God irrelevant! He inspired the whole thing, Paul included.

Ultimately i think there is a silver lining in all of this. At least for me. Coming from the Lordship Salvation camp, these kinds of views can be utterly devastating. But instead it is like a blessing in a way. Because it places Paul's writings in a very blessed light to see the caliber of unbelief set against it. And to me highlights the way beautiful way in which God truly used Paul in all of this. And clearly super underscores the ramifications of what God meant through Paul. Like a total "touchdown!" Wow. YES!!!

 

[Amethyst]

If we could get rid of Paul we could also get rid of that pesky Romans 11.