US includes Trumps entire 20 point peace plan into a UN resolution establishing "a credible path to Palestinian Statehood"

[Hol]

This is an interesting thought and God is so multifaceted it is impossible to describe Him in words.

I thought it is such an interesting thought too!

This morning I was reading a sermon about Daniel 11. I just have to share this pastor's wording here:

"We read concerning the little horn in Daniel chapter 7 that he magnified himself. That’s characteristic of the antichrist, supremely characteristic of him and characteristic of all little antichrists who go around also magnifying themselves; and even occasionally some Christians fall into that pattern too because it belongs to human nature. In Daniel chapter 8, the little horn there is set to magnify himself, and here the king is set to magnify himself. So, they all magnify themselves.

"The only person who doesn’t magnify himself is the Lord Jesus Christ and we read concerning him and Philippians that he emptied himself and took upon him the form of a servant and was made in the likeness of men. So, in stark contrast to men, our Lord Jesus humbles himself, empties himself. And here the king and all of the other of the great men of the earth and many, I say, even among believers, fall into this pattern of magnifying ourselves. If there is one thing the Bible teaches it is that one of the greatest of the sins that we can possibly commit is to magnify ourselves. We are simply dust, we are sinners, we are depraved. And sin has touched all of our being, our minds, our wills, our emotions all of our attitudes. All of our thoughts are affected by a sin."

I am awe struck that Jesus will be magnified by all creation. He never magnified Himself.

It amazes me how God can be as sincere in any moment yet knowing the future always. Like He can function perfectly in the moment even knowing where it will go. This attribute of God (one I don't recall ever being mentioned in any books, maybe i am mistaken), but this attribute of His might even transcend where prophecy goes.

 

[Margery]

Bottom line for me is simple. This plan could work for a time, but only to the point of Gods will being accomplished. If for now, massive casualties on both sides to include civilians has stopped, and that is a good thing. However, Hamas should not make any long term plans, their days are numbered.

I happen to agree with your bottom line, because God works ALL these things to His purposes and they don't always follow the normal course of events.

As in, He IS the God who brought Israel thru the Red Sea on dry land, then proceeded to drown Pharoah's army right behind them.

What we might logically expect to happen, doesn't. Stuff that is completely impossible DOES!

 

[Margery]

Thankfully Almighty God is the Ultimate and True Authority and He will work and rule and reign.
That is absolutely the only thing we (and Israel!) can depend on.

Big Amen!

 

[TCC]

It has always been my understanding the age of grace ends at the moment of the rapture. With no “overlap” as you mentioned. Overlap into the tribulation? No way. God does not mark His beginnings and endings with fuzzy detail or blending - it is always eventful with a definitive line. Of course things get worse and worse leading up to the end if the age of Grace (2 Tim 3, which to me describes this time perfectly) but there is not a separate dispensation for the end of the age of grace unless there is a hyper-dispensational specification I am not aware of(?)

Dear sister, I would encourage reverse engineering how you frame. Just maybe something to consider. The overlap into the tribulation is whatever of the beast system is forming now that becomes that. Not that the age of grace overlaps into the tribulation. If it is such a definite line why is the beast system so much of a current obsession of the evangelical church--like now and much of the time currently before the hard line? Of course we want to warn others but from what i have seen in general is we tend to interpret so much by a beast system forming mentality--the watcher church in general. All that youtube click bait like captions: "Could this be the installement of the beast system?" and stuff like that. But if we are to be consistent, then there is no beast system until the tribulation, right?

God does not use fuzzy, but we are talking about the One that used the death of His own Son to conquer death for us. Though. My point is that it is for us to understand Him. Amen. And as we attest of who He is I am just saying that we tend to look at the age of grace as the tribulation porch with an axe murdering getting ready to shake our hand as the friendly next door neighbor. Since God transcends. And it is the age of grace, my encouragement is to just stick with a hardline difference...its still the age of grace.

I don't mean that to sound like I'm telling you what to do...lol. I am just trying to make the point in a creative way. Like using the senses you bring hopefully to a perhaps wee bit difference in context. I was just addressing your previously adorable awareness that things are getting pretty strange and at least currently seeing it not so much line up with how we thought prophesy might go kind of thing. In what i am presenting here took me a few years to even fathom or consider. And even though, still, I am surprised all the time too. So i can totally related.

But its kind of for a few different reasons. My shock does not come the general direction things are going at all. My shock is that since it is going that way...how the heck does A, B, and C fit? But honestly, in the sense of why what is going on is happening like it is, I am not the least bit taken back. I would be if it were not actually. I guess in part what I am getting at is that I understood the potential of things to go a way like it is in 2018. Some 7 years ago. And it is seriously exploding radically in that direction. What happened in 2018 is not so much that my prophecy or eschatology is anything to shake a stick at. Its actually almost substandard in ways i believe. But by just taking in providence to a degree. But to do that we kind of have to dumb down to see the present clearly enough I believe.

I'm not sure why prophecy might so intertwine with socio-political trend, but by merely taking socio political trends as some measure of what to look for I guess has had a pretty consistent record of making out so much of what is going on make a lot of sense.. By so doing, its not like 60% or 70% on target-ness. It's more like 80% to 90% on target-ness. I'm a cessations, so I don't believe even accurate views makes one a prophet or something. What i do believe though is that there seems to be quite a premium on tracking providence. Because what seemed only a potential in 2018 has seemed to explode into full living technicolor today. So if seeing God use the age of grace separately from the coming tribulation age yields an incredibly high predictability rate (like a being on steroids strength in accuracy level rate), it might be something also to consider along side how we consider what prophecy looks like in our understanding of it biblically.

I may not have helped to clarify, but rather making things even more obtuse...lol. If so please forgive me. But for example the video @Andy C shared of Amir just reading what the UN peace deal is asking. And by noticing that, understanding far better what this deal is actually looking to do. To me, this is just dumbing down and merely reading like Amir did. Its pretty clear that offer is not interested in a two-state solution. Providentially it practically expresses the opposite, when we just dumb down and read what is being said. Hope that helps some at least in some way just trying to be helpful. Blessings.

 

[TCC]

Yeah….but when I was a kid and my parents received a gift basket from a neighbor, I would eat the candy out of it.

Your comments are often quite the treat

 

[Andiamo]

Dear sister, I would encourage reverse engineering how you frame. Just maybe something to consider. The overlap into the tribulation is whatever of the beast system is forming now that becomes that. Not that the age of grace overlaps into the tribulation. If it is such a definite line why is the beast system so much of a current obsession of the evangelical church--like now and much of the time currently before the hard line? Of course we want to warn others but from what i have seen in general is we tend to interpret so much by a beast system forming mentality--the watcher church in general. All that youtube click bait like captions: "Could this be the installement of the beast system?" and stuff like that. But if we are to be consistent, then there is no beast system until the tribulation, right?

God does not use fuzzy, but we are talking about the One that used the death of His own Son to conquer death for us. Though. My point is that it is for us to understand Him. Amen. And as we attest of who He is I am just saying that we tend to look at the age of grace as the tribulation porch with an axe murdering getting ready to shake our hand as the friendly next door neighbor. Since God transcends. And it is the age of grace, my encouragement is to just stick with a hardline difference...its still the age of grace.

I don't mean that to sound like I'm telling you what to do...lol. I am just trying to make the point in a creative way. Like using the senses you bring hopefully to a perhaps wee bit difference in context. I was just addressing your previously adorable awareness that things are getting pretty strange and at least currently seeing it not so much line up with how we thought prophesy might go kind of thing. In what i am presenting here took me a few years to even fathom or consider. And even though, still, I am surprised all the time too. So i can totally related.

But its kind of for a few different reasons. My shock does not come the general direction things are going at all. My shock is that since it is going that way...how the heck does A, B, and C fit? But honestly, in the sense of why what is going on is happening like it is, I am not the least bit taken back. I would be if it were not actually. I guess in part what I am getting at is that I understood the potential of things to go a way like it is in 2018. Some 7 years ago. And it is seriously exploding radically in that direction. What happened in 2018 is not so much that my prophecy or eschatology is anything to shake a stick at. Its actually almost substandard in ways i believe. But by just taking in providence to a degree. But to do that we kind of have to dumb down to see the present clearly enough I believe.

I'm not sure why prophecy might so intertwine with socio-political trend, but by merely taking socio political trends as some measure of what to look for I guess has had a pretty consistent record of making out so much of what is going on make a lot of sense.. By so doing, its not like 60% or 70% on target-ness. It's more like 80% to 90% on target-ness. I'm a cessations, so I don't believe even accurate views makes one a prophet or something. What i do believe though is that there seems to be quite a premium on tracking providence. Because what seemed only a potential in 2018 has seemed to explode into full living technicolor today. So if seeing God use the age of grace separately from the coming tribulation age yields an incredibly high predictability rate (like a being on steroids strength in accuracy level rate), it might be something also to consider along side how we consider what prophecy looks like in our understanding of it biblically.

I may not have helped to clarify, but rather making things even more obtuse...lol. If so please forgive me. But for example the video @Andy C shared of Amir just reading what the UN peace deal is asking. And by noticing that, understanding far better what this deal is actually looking to do. To me, this is just dumbing down and merely reading like Amir did. Its pretty clear that offer is not interested in a two-state solution. Providentially it practically expresses the opposite, when we just dumb down and read what is being said. Hope that helps some at least in some way just trying to be helpful. Blessings.

I think I understand what you’re saying. Maybe. Haha.

I would say that the tribulation is like smelling a garbage dump that’s 5 miles up the road. As we get closer the stench gets worse and we see buzzards. It has an effect on our senses even though we aren’t there yet.

 

[TCC]

I think I understand what you’re saying. Maybe. Haha.

I would say that the tribulation is like smelling a garbage dump that’s 5 miles up the road. As we get closer the stench gets worse and we see buzzards. It has an effect on our senses even though we aren’t there yet.

I agree. Amen. That makes sense. But if we are in the timeframe of Ez 38 literally forming (which looks measurablely real), and that occurs during the age of grace, we have God demonstrating a super massively powerful victory for Israel over her enemies the likes that have not been seen since the Old Testament era (or the 400 year period even in between old and new testaement). This is not a part of any eschatolgical consideration I know of. Maybe there are ways it is described. Would love to hear. But what we hear "all about" is the beast system. Like an obsession. But if Ez 38 occurs early in the tribulation days cross over, that is even harder to fathom. That the tribulation would start with God miraculously protecting Israel and literally fighting for her. No one starts the tribulation like that. Perhaps it is in what some would see as a gap theory nuetral zone.

I'm just saying that It looks to me like the end of grace likely ends on a high (not 30 seconds from a trash bin) note. High in the sense of globalism falling, and organic real world economics helps a drained and syphoned world out. These are kind of buzz killers to the more Halloweenish look we might tend to frame how the age of grace fits like that. I know there is a lot of time yet for this one, but the next major tell as to whether or not sounder economics enter the world theater would be if both house and Senate have super majorities. Not just majorities. But super majorities. The odds on that historically are against it. The evolving socio-political undercurrent would wager a quite higher % in light of our current real world trajectory. It can be hard to see if what we honestly and humbly believe we should see most is evil increase. But God.

I mention midterms because it is measurable. Its not crystal ball mystic like. It has its definite season to be or not to be. But there is also another thing to look for in what I tend to call the higher batting average predictability. And that would be the Saudi's joining the Abraham Accords. It could be before the miderms or after. But that is just another puzzle piece to see what bellwethers might actually look like in a confusing end time (often) sideshow. Thanks for reading all of that and the one before dear sister. I appreciate whatever consideration you might give. Not trying to say we should see it this way or that. Just that if things don't make sense in the way we are looking at it, maybe ways that tend to have a slightly higher accuracy average do so for reason. Blessings.

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PS -- What I don't mean by "ways that tend to have a slightly higher accuracy average" is politics vs bible prophecy. I don't mean that at all if it might sound that way. Rather, what I am saying is that if God baked in Providence in the wrapping up of the age of grace for "His Children of Providence, the Church," it would make a lot of sense to see how the majestic hand of God is literally moving in our moment vs the ways in which we might see Bible and believe Bible and use Bible "only" to see direction things are going. In the latter case I am not saying don't think Bible. The concern there would be in our potential understanding of it possibly being a problem. Ez 38 is bible too. But when has anyone been able to right size how God conquering Israel's enemies in open shame jives with the beast system? Like that, I mean, I reckon.

 

[Andy C]

But for example the video @Andy C shared of Amir just reading what the UN peace deal is asking. And by noticing that, understanding far better what this deal is actually looking to do. To me, this is just dumbing down and merely reading like Amir did.

He did far more than merely read the peace deal. However, maybe I miss interpreted what you wrote because I have a hard time understanding in many of your posts because you dont always come to a conclusion, or make a point easily understood. However, you write well and are a strong contributor to this forum.

 

[TCC]

He did far more than merely read the peace deal. However, maybe I miss interpreted what you wrote because I have a hard time understanding in many of your posts because you dont always come to a conclusion, or make a point easily understood. However, you write well and are a strong contributor to this forum.

I was responding to the minimal takeaway. When i say, "just" i meant it minimally. Like "Even if that is all we had, that itself would be enough to give us a clue as to what is the drive of what Trump was intending to do there." So yeah, I included what you provided as an example of how simple and straightforward life often is. But we can tend to read all kinds of drama into anyway. I'm sure Amir did get into more though. I did not watch any more. I'm not the greatest fan of Amir. But have come to like him quite a bit more these days because he actually is coming around to seeing things my way...lol. That was half a joke, and half respect for seeing that even though Amir can be a bit too Joe Hollywood like for me, I see his end time discernment skill is getting really fined tuned. Which is so so needed, as you have seen too Andy. Amir is one of the few i have ever heard tie the potential of Ez 38 in with America becoming great. That is a super rare connection. One i hold. And i am glad to see Amir is too. I'm really getting to like the guy more and more these days. To me he came from more or less "sensationalism" in many of his takes and deliveries, to kind of stepping into the bigger boy shoes of pretty sound eschatology while the evangelical world around him is kind of losing their minds or overly obsesses on this or that. If that makes sense?

Thanks for the kind words and thoughts. In the past brother i had been far more to the point when it comes to eschatology. With very clear conclusions. However it did come to my attention that that might not be the most helpful approach in our forum. So out of respect to the greater interests of our dearly beloved forum, i tend to be less direct. And not so conclusion heavy. Out of respect. Thanks again for posting what you did with Amir. It was very eye opening. And helpful in the midst of us thinking so many different things about it. Amir became the adult in the room...lol. And because of his stance on eschatology, I won't mind getting used to that one bit. Blessings.

 

[Andiamo]

And…how many on this “board?” Ten?
Just sayin

And….from what I am reading today, this board of peace will have ten, “around ten” or 7-10 depending on where you read.

 

[Spartan Sprinter]

And….from what I am reading today, this board of peace will have ten, “around ten” or 7-10 depending on where you read.

LOL i guess it's worth a watch this space situation