Spartan Sprinter
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Man that would be major LOL !!!!And…how many on this “board?” Ten?
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US includes Trumps entire 20 point peace plan into a UN resolution establishing "a credible path to Palestinian Statehood"
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I was listening to Tom Hughes, and Alex Traimann the head of JNS news talking this all over just now on this YT here: - YouTube it's less than 20 minutes, it's EXCELLENT.
at about the 18 minute mark Alex said something that caught my attention. He started by saying that Israel had gotten soft before Oct 7 of '23.
He and Tom talked about the 2 years of war, what it's done to the young Israelis, who have been serving in the IDF now on rotations for the past 2 years. It's hardened them into a fighting force, prepared them to stand together - the leftists who would have given everything away are now understanding why they can't give a single inch because that enemy they faced every day for the past 2 years is also regathering their strength.
Many terrorists who spent time in Israeli jails for the crimes on Oct 7 have now become millionaires due to the Palestinian Authority "Pay for Slay" program. Some were even set free as part of the 2000 plus prisoners Israel let go just so they could get their living hostages back. Wonder what the money will go to????
Alex explained Israel needs time to breathe, recoup, recover right now, but this war has welded their young people into a cohesive fighting force. Meanwhile it's a time to regroup, repair, rebuild and get ready for the next round.
God is allowing this. It will be interesting to see what happens next.
The Israelis can take a well earned rest. As they prepare for the inevitable.
After all we've seen this Gaza movie before! It took 18 years after George Bush forced Israel into giving up Gaza before an army of rapists, murderers and arsonists were let loose into Israel, 2 years of bloody war followed where Israel was forced to back off every time Hamas wanted a breather. Now we are going for the same thing all over again. Bet it doesn't take 18 years THIS TIME!
Israel can watch all the internationals that are supposed to disarm Gaza bleed for a nice change.
Before Israel is forced back into Gaza for their survival AGAIN!
Unfortunately that is Lebanon right now. The French let Hezbollah back in Southern Lebanon when they were supposed to prevent it. Israel has had to bomb Southern Lebanon several times. Tiffany Trump's father in law, the Lebanese business expert who helped broker the deal is nowhere in sight.
Another failure - peace forced down everyone's throat before the enemy was defeated.
And zero tolerance for Israel while Hamas and Hezbollah get a free pass to keep firing.
Because we have to give Peace a Chance!
I don't think it will take long before Egypt opens tunnels to send shipments of weapons and cash from Qatar again. I heard a news report today that Hamas has been stockpiling weapons outside the country, in order to smuggle in as soon as Israel isn't directly in charge anymore. Not surprised.
It will be interesting to see who is on that Board of "Peace" and what skin they have in the game. Turkey and Qatar in particular seem to be at the forefront of everything. Jordan and Egypt have been so helpful. Even Syria helped out at the UN. Everyone seems to have a say in Israel's future right now.
I'm sure they will work hard to stop Hamas! I'm sure they have Israel's best interests at heart! We can trust them right????
Tomorrow MBS the Saudi Crown Prince has a meeting with Trump at the White House. Another trustworthy sort. Smiles nicely, wears a nice suit.
All those foxes guarding the hen house! What could possibly go wrong????
Netanyahu will likely be fighting for his political life as his opponents point out the unfortunate optics-- how Israel's enemies have become Trump's allies. Trump is after all the best friend that Israel ever had in the White House -everyone says so. All Israel was left with was to say yes, thank you. There was no other option.
I expect that will help galvanize Israel to make sure that next time, their friends in Washington and elsewhere won't have a chance to tie their hands before Israel can finish taking out their enemies.
At least that is what I hope.
Because the best hope of peace in the Middle East is a strong Israel, who is allowed to take out her enemies......permanently!
Instead of rewarding them with a little chunk of Israel while they chant
From the River to the Sea
Palestine Will be Free
In hopes of getting even more of Israel granted to them.
Congratulations!
To the IDF who have served and are still serving their country in active combat. They've earned a rest and a respite before the next round of murderous terrorists come at them.
To Israeli families who've lost loved ones. In the service of the IDF, or as a result of rapes, murders, beheading or being burnt alive on Oct 7, or as they found out their family members taken as hostages are now bodies to be buried. To those mourning suicides from the horrors.
To the Israelis struggling with PTSD
To all the Israelis who endured having lives upended- as those in the north and near Gaza had to move away to safer places. Who are STILL living with that.
To Netanyahu who put his country and the hostages first. Ahead of his career, ahead of winning.
To the hostages who are finally home.
at about the 18 minute mark Alex said something that caught my attention. He started by saying that Israel had gotten soft before Oct 7 of '23.
He and Tom talked about the 2 years of war, what it's done to the young Israelis, who have been serving in the IDF now on rotations for the past 2 years. It's hardened them into a fighting force, prepared them to stand together - the leftists who would have given everything away are now understanding why they can't give a single inch because that enemy they faced every day for the past 2 years is also regathering their strength.
Many terrorists who spent time in Israeli jails for the crimes on Oct 7 have now become millionaires due to the Palestinian Authority "Pay for Slay" program. Some were even set free as part of the 2000 plus prisoners Israel let go just so they could get their living hostages back. Wonder what the money will go to????
Alex explained Israel needs time to breathe, recoup, recover right now, but this war has welded their young people into a cohesive fighting force. Meanwhile it's a time to regroup, repair, rebuild and get ready for the next round.
God is allowing this. It will be interesting to see what happens next.
The Israelis can take a well earned rest. As they prepare for the inevitable.
After all we've seen this Gaza movie before! It took 18 years after George Bush forced Israel into giving up Gaza before an army of rapists, murderers and arsonists were let loose into Israel, 2 years of bloody war followed where Israel was forced to back off every time Hamas wanted a breather. Now we are going for the same thing all over again. Bet it doesn't take 18 years THIS TIME!
Israel can watch all the internationals that are supposed to disarm Gaza bleed for a nice change.
Before Israel is forced back into Gaza for their survival AGAIN!
Unfortunately that is Lebanon right now. The French let Hezbollah back in Southern Lebanon when they were supposed to prevent it. Israel has had to bomb Southern Lebanon several times. Tiffany Trump's father in law, the Lebanese business expert who helped broker the deal is nowhere in sight.
Another failure - peace forced down everyone's throat before the enemy was defeated.
And zero tolerance for Israel while Hamas and Hezbollah get a free pass to keep firing.
Because we have to give Peace a Chance!
I don't think it will take long before Egypt opens tunnels to send shipments of weapons and cash from Qatar again. I heard a news report today that Hamas has been stockpiling weapons outside the country, in order to smuggle in as soon as Israel isn't directly in charge anymore. Not surprised.
It will be interesting to see who is on that Board of "Peace" and what skin they have in the game. Turkey and Qatar in particular seem to be at the forefront of everything. Jordan and Egypt have been so helpful. Even Syria helped out at the UN. Everyone seems to have a say in Israel's future right now.
I'm sure they will work hard to stop Hamas! I'm sure they have Israel's best interests at heart! We can trust them right????
Tomorrow MBS the Saudi Crown Prince has a meeting with Trump at the White House. Another trustworthy sort. Smiles nicely, wears a nice suit.
All those foxes guarding the hen house! What could possibly go wrong????
Netanyahu will likely be fighting for his political life as his opponents point out the unfortunate optics-- how Israel's enemies have become Trump's allies. Trump is after all the best friend that Israel ever had in the White House -everyone says so. All Israel was left with was to say yes, thank you. There was no other option.
I expect that will help galvanize Israel to make sure that next time, their friends in Washington and elsewhere won't have a chance to tie their hands before Israel can finish taking out their enemies.
At least that is what I hope.
Because the best hope of peace in the Middle East is a strong Israel, who is allowed to take out her enemies......permanently!
Instead of rewarding them with a little chunk of Israel while they chant
From the River to the Sea
Palestine Will be Free
In hopes of getting even more of Israel granted to them.
Congratulations!
To the IDF who have served and are still serving their country in active combat. They've earned a rest and a respite before the next round of murderous terrorists come at them.
To Israeli families who've lost loved ones. In the service of the IDF, or as a result of rapes, murders, beheading or being burnt alive on Oct 7, or as they found out their family members taken as hostages are now bodies to be buried. To those mourning suicides from the horrors.
To the Israelis struggling with PTSD
To all the Israelis who endured having lives upended- as those in the north and near Gaza had to move away to safer places. Who are STILL living with that.
To Netanyahu who put his country and the hostages first. Ahead of his career, ahead of winning.
To the hostages who are finally home.
TCC
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Very creative. I like it.And…how many on this “board?” Ten?
Just sayin
pixelpusher
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Harbinger's Daily is down right now due to a CloudFlare error, but I fished this link out of my history from an article I read earlier this morning re the board of peace, and Turkey wanting a piece of it etc:
Maybe the site will be back up soon.
It's apparently back as of 0951 Central.
It's up now, I read it, Mark Hitchcock is always worthwhile reading and this is no exception.
My eye was caught by this bit here:
"According to the Middle East Eye, “The Turkish government is finalising plans that would result in the deployment of hundreds of soldiers to Gaza as part of an international peacekeeping force.”
While Turkey is bound and determined to be a part of the ISF, Israel soundly rejects those plans, underscoring that there “will be no Turkish boots on the ground” in Gaza.
Turkey’s desired involvement should be fascinating to those who understand Biblical prophecy. Turkey is one of the nations listed as part of the Gog-Magog coalition of nations detailed in Ezekiel 38—alongside Russia, Iran, and others.
Turkey, an outspoken enemy of the Jewish State, continues to involve itself deeply in the affairs of Israel and the surrounding nations.
While Russia and Iran have a lessened influence now in Syria, with the fall of Bashar al-Assad, Turkey has moved into that vacuum, taking a lot more authority in the nation right on Israel’s northern border. Should Turkey have boots on the ground in Gaza, it would also give it troops on Israel’s southwestern border."
TCC
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Amen. I have seen some theologians believe that the lead in Ez 38 is Turkey not Russia. And the far north to Israel be Turkey. In light of the language used and the ways in which various groups are looked at, it would be reasonable to swap Turkey for Russia as lead. The differential though I believe weighs toward Russia because of the Scythian relation and history. Blessings.
I think he is playing Hamas. At least this is what I think is happening. By Israel welcoming this so warmly, Hamas will reflexively reject it. And that will open the door for Israel to finish them off. As Trump's ambassador to the United Nations said today: If Hamas rejects the UN plan, President Trump will give the green light to Israel to destroy Hamas. So Bibi is not lying when he says the plan will lead to peace.
TCC
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Amen. I recall though in my early days of discovery that he might be the season of end times, Ez 38 played a side role of great sorts. About 8 year ago what seemed to be the scholarly bent was that the names Rosh, Meshech and Tubal were thought to be matches to Russia in pop-culture. From what i recall there is not a large swath of scholarship that would relate those names or titles to Russia. Rosh being the head as in Rosh Hashanah, head of the year. And there others not a clear enough match to Russian cities that sound similar. I did not nor don't have the skill to know how to parse those names exactly. So, its just at that level, scholars would dismiss Russia i found to be often the case. Thinking if those names can't match Russia, then its just pop-cultural view.
I agree with you TT that it is biblical to be Russia. I'm not sure if that as how you might get there. But there is often where the assessments lead. Discussions along those lines. For me what clenches the deal is Scythian descent. Because that race occupied massive Russian terrorist in various ages during the centuries prior to the 1st century. At that time, Joseph identified Scythia as what is known as modern day Kazakhstan. Assigned by Josephus as "Magog." So the way i look at it is how Russia is tied to Scythian heritage. I understand they previously had museum exhibits about their proud connection before the Kremlin took over the Moscow buildings. And it is pretty easy to find the links to Russian heritage online. As well as massively known ancient Scythian culture.
So to me, guess that is kind of the back door approach to seeing Russia having a major Ez 38 role. It does bypass Rosh, Meschech and Tubal. So even if we don't know how to exegetically match those names, Josephus making the Scythian heritage, does historically point to Russia without prejudice. An further interesting trivia about Kazakhstan, is that ironically its capital Astana (a place with some pretty trippy architecture) is where Russia, Turkey, and Iran met annually for years over Syria when it was going through its troubled years. So we have Russia as the superpower meeting in Magog with Turkey and Iran (the other two leading nations in Ez 38).
When I look at this surrounding connection, to me, it coexists as a way to discover Russia biblically as Gog. And removes the controversial early names in Ez 38 present. From what i can tell, not many are aware of this back route to peg Russia as Gog. But to me it is kind of like a way of using providence as exegesis. An angle i have never seen anyone try to take on to undo. I don't know if this is something you might have been aware of as well. But, to me, if Scythian heritage remains = where Russia, Turkey, and Iran meet official for years, lol, that is like a lot of pop-up book exegetical echo of sorts I believe. In my estimation making it biblical regardless of the controversy over title and city names. I guess like a larger paradigmatic surrounding of the wagon as it were. In any case, just thought to mention it if is is not a staple observation held on this forum. I suppose an irony as well is the following:
One historical blog site has this:
"A survey of world Jewish demographics estimated that nearly 50% of the entire global Jewish population was living within Russia—a figure more than three times higher than the country with the next highest Jewish population (the United States). In fact, this figure came 20 years into a mass Jewish exodus from Russia that remains one of the largest."
If that is the case, it would appear that God Himself used the Jewish population to point to Gog by virtue of Jewish diaspora population chosen residency. A much weaker form of irregular hermeneutics for sure, but nevertheless a unique feature for sure of providence. So yeah, i guess on that front I tend to lean toward the Scythian path because no-one is ever arguing that heritage is not linked to Russia. And if so, it is historically known as the people of Magog. Seemingly pretty telling. Well thanks for reading all that if you had the chance. Blessings brother
If not the entire video, I highly suggest you listen to the first 10 minutes of Amir talking about the 20 point plan, and why is a good thing.
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I will when I get time, maybe on Friday Andy. I am running out of daylight today, tomorrow is the dr and getting gas. Friday is clear.If not the entire video, I highly suggest you listen to the first 10 minutes of Amir talking about the 20 point plan, and why is a good thing.
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Do you want me to give you my thoughts when I do, where I agree, where I think Amir glossed over stuff that needs further elaboration and where I think Amir might be if not wrong then a little off base? Like usual? I can reference JNS news and a few other on the ground Israeli sources if you like where I differ from Amir and why.
(I may give you my thoughts, anyway if I have time but if you just want me to watch, I won't info dump my thoughts on you)
Spartan Sprinter
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Yeah i like your summaries Margery that would be good
Yes to all the above
Cheeky200386
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Yes please!
For those who think Trump threw Israel under the bus, listen to the video I posted from 8:30-12:00 minute marks. Hamas will never agree to the pre conditions for a 2 state solution, thus voiding the agreement, and Hamas will be destroyed by the IDF.If not the entire video, I highly suggest you listen to the first 10 minutes of Amir talking about the 20 point plan, and why is a good thing.
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Meanwhile, the Al Faw Grand Port and other infrastructure is being readied near Babylon, and we have the Mamdani guy elected in NYC, potentially poised to knock that city off the financial capital status.
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