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Trump to rename Pentagon, restoring historic ‘Department of War’ in latest military move

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Trump to rename Pentagon, restoring historic ‘Department of War’ in latest military move​

'Everybody likes that we had an unbelievable history of victory when it was Department of War,' Trump told reporters in August​


"We won WWI, and we won WWII, not with the Department of Defense, but with a War Department, with the Department of War," Hegseth said in an interview Wednesday with "Fox & Friends." "As the president has said, we're not just defense, we're offense.

"We've reestablished at the Department the warrior ethos. We want warriors, folks that understand how to exact lethality on the enemy," he said. "We don't want endless contingencies and just playing defense. We think words and names and titles matter. So, we're working with the White House and the president on it. Stand by."
 
I find it odd logic to think that a name change would provide favor to us in war, like apparently it did in the last 2 wars, especially coming from a professed Christian.
Do you? And yet name changes in the Bible are very significant (Abram- Abraham, Jacob- Israel, Simon-Peter, etc.)
I would think that this name change will project strength, hopefully to those who would test American resolve (looking at that KGB slime Putin, among others.) And while it may or may not phase the bigger countries, it might just deter someone smaller.

I think it is more honest as well. How much action by our militaries in the past 50 years have been purely defensive? Despite the political party in power, there's a lot of foreign blood on our leader's hands.
 
As one article put it (that won’t allow links) made it sound like putting trust in a name change akin to putting trust in a lucky charm, rubbing a genie lamp, numerology (lucky number) etc… like taking the action of trusting in a name change to provide some kind of favor in the outcome of a war. It’s putting trust into an unseeable force, vibration or energy/power that the new name provides or that is being talked about will somehow manifest good luck, good fortune in war. Pretty much, no go areas for a Christian. I like Department of Strength.
 
The name does seem to signal a change of attitude from a defensive posture to an aggressive one. War is coming whether we are ready or not. It started even before 911.

I get the concept that Reagan had- walk softly and carry a big stick. You arm yourself to the teeth, and nobody bothers you.

Reagan ended the USSR for all intents and purposes, and it's taken decades for Russia to recover, and that is with far less of her territory that she held before Reagan came to power. Reagan DID fight and end the Cold war. The Russia that now exists is not the same at all.

Yet Reagan didn't need to change the name.

There is way more going on here than just America feeling like they haven't won a war since WW2. It's a feeling of being out of control, speeding down the highway towards a collision. It's decades of bad management from several Presidents on both sides of the aisle that led up to this.


So what war is Trump preparing for??? And where is this sense of impending war coming from?

I don't think Trump plans on entering the Ukrainian Russian war. He seems to think that Russia will win it, take what they want and settle down. He's no fan of Zelensky. And the Bible seems to point that Gog is in charge of Magog when Ezek 38 happens. Russia will win, and I think Trump will turn his attention away from Russia to allow them to win. Something happens to ensure Russia regains Magog - which includes Ukraine.

I think it's a bit premature to invade Greenland, or Canada, or Panama. In spite of repeated threats I don't think they are top of his agenda.

I think Trump wants to declare war on Venezuela. To take out the cartels and their leader Maduro. He is sending ships into the region, then blowing up that boat. Actions speak louder than words. I'm just guessing here.

Maduro is close to the SCO, particularly China. And his drugs end up sold in American streets.

Putin had a similar reason to invade Ukraine. A criminal element running the country, working with the Bidens. Putin didn't like that or the idea of NATO moving too close. International law says that Putin's invasion was wrong.

International law doesn't mean diddly squat any more, so if Trump invades some country for similar reasons, who is going to stop him?

International law is almost gone. It's toothless.

It relied on a Judeo Christian world view that member countries held to.

That Judeo Christian world view has been under attack since the Muslim's declared war on the West at 911. Actually long before 911.

George Bush decided in response to 911 that Islam was a peaceful religion that could be trained to love democracy. That same delusion led Bush to force the Jews out of Gaza, and force Israel to give it up in yet another 2 State Solution.

Some years later Phil Haney wrote a book "See Something, Say Nothing" before he was murdered. It outlined how the US govt became the protector of Muslim invaders such as Ilhan Omar and Huma Abedin- Hilary Clinton's assistant and daughter of founding members of the Muslim Brotherhood.

The West was silenced, and the long war of Islam against the Christian west got ugly.


The Obama/Clinton/Biden years that followed Bush are over and Trump is trying to turn things around. But the more he does, the quicker we seem to be heading towards the Tribulation.

The end game - the Rapture, followed by the Tribulation is approaching.

The world is getting more twitchy, more trigger happy, alliances that once held firm are changing - Trump is definitely part of that change.

It's like the Balkans before WW1 broke out.

All I see is the constant movement towards 2 camps- the Euro western NATO alliance that I think will become the future Rome 2.0 and the eastern SCO that I think will be the core of the Gog Magog invasion - with different purposes for each. Just like the Balkans in WW1- everyone is taking sides. Lining up.

Since China has already committed to helping Venezuela (whether they do or not is another question entirely) this would involve them to some degree. I doubt they want open war against the States, but a proxy war where they supply drones or other weapons might be something they'd like. Could that be their downfall? Perhaps. I don't know.

Things I know from reading the Bible:

Something happens to take China out of the Gog Magog group at some point before Ezek 38.

Something happens to take the USA out of the picture as a major power opposing the Russian coalition of Ezek 38. (I still think it's the rapture)

Something happens to ensure that Israel is living peacefully, securely without walls, bars or gates by the time of Ezek 38.

Something happens to make sure Russia wins back her ancient territory of Magog (Ukraine is part of that) before they invade Israel at the time of Ezek 38

Something happens to pull ancient Rome back together in time for the Tribulation. Russia seems to be the threat that finally convinced the EU to "RE-Arm Europe".

It's not surprising if the world is preparing for wars and rumours of wars. And the name on the door changes from Dept of Defence to Dept of War.
 
I have not but now I am going to see if I can get it. Thank you Pastor Adrian and Margery!
He is one of your true heroes! A Christian, a friend of Jan Markell, who was writing another book- he was silenced. There was a coverup of his murder. The California police tried to pretend it was a suicide. He was shot, then the gun was planted on him, but there was no gunshot residue on his hands, and other indications that he was set up. Lonely bit of highway. He was recently engaged to be married, and had NO intentions of committing suicide.

Haney warned Jan and his other friends not to believe it if he turned up a "suicide". His first book See Something Say Nothing exposed the collusion between the US govt at high levels, and the Muslim agents within. The next book was supposed to come out, about 6 months after his death. It didn't.

Putin isn't the only one who can order an inconvenient truth teller to be wiped out.

Haney is with the Lord!

I for one don't ever plan to forget him or his sacrifice!

Read the last chapters- explaining how his career ended (under Obama) and how God got him out of a frame up situation that the DOJ had tried to do to him.

I think it becomes obvious reading the final parts of the book who murdered him and why.

The second book that never got published existed on a thumb drive that went missing when he died. Phil had discussed it in plenty of interviews. I was looking forward to it. He was going to name names.

He died.

A hero to the last!
 
A lot of article titles incorrectly indicated that The Pentagon (a building) was having its name changed but then in the article correctly said that Trump was changing the name of the Department of Defense to the Department of War. It would take an act of Congress to make the name change official. The Pentagon will remain The Pentagon until they add another side to the building.
 
A lot of articles incorrectly indicated that The Pentagon (a building) was having its name changed but then in the article correctly said that Trump was changing the name of the Department of Defense to the Department of War. It would take an act of Congress to make the name change official. The Pentagon will remain The Pentagon until they add another side to the building.
The GOP has already submitted a bill for the official name change, and Im not sure when it will be voted on.
 
Great thread. I believe the name change for DOD I think is good. Because the transgender move on the military and a host of other events the far left had in mind for us was to defang America. And even cause us to use cheaper ship building medals so in war we would lose. Globalism wants America to lose and defant its power so evil can thrive. The way I think of it is not so much a defense for the right to war against evil. But rather a symptom America is waking up that it is actually a country again. And does not need to get its identity from the EU, the UN, the WEF or any country and grip of agendas.

Since it seems to have its name change when the Atomic Bulletin was created (as fear gripped the world as we became aware that we have the power to kill our species off entirely), and perhaps providentially even more at the time of Israel becoming a state (perhaps Providence announce "soon" to end times but "not yet"), that it took a defensive posture. It did so out of strength and care. I believe it is changing to the name of war for the same reasons. Out of strength and care (as Trump has demonstrated the ability of the USA to solve 7 war crises globally within 7 months (1 per month...good track record).


But I would also suggest that what this is is the same well known ploy Trump employs. He wanted John Bolton (a total globalist neocon) on the state department team because other countries would consider that maybe Trump would listen to him. In addition though, I do view America as having significant end time prophetic value. So last but not least on this list from me would be...I believe the name change is a further indicator of our hour. And a book-end switch flip of...ok...ya'll...in 1949 Israel was just arriving at their new land...then was not the end "end" times. But now...he he he. I imagine this to not float so well...lol. But you gotta admit, it kind of fits, no? Blessings.

  • Department of Defense (1949–Present):
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    In 1949, the National Military Establishment was officially renamed the Department of Defense, a change that emphasized a focus on preventing conflict rather than just waging war.


 
So last but not least on this list from me would be...I believe the name change is a further indicator of our hour. And a book-end switch flip of...ok...ya'll...in 1949 Israel was just arriving at their new land...then was not the end "end" times. But now...he he he. I imagine this to not float so well...lol. But you gotta admit, it kind of fits, no? Blessings.

  • Department of Defense (1949–Present):
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    In 1949, the National Military Establishment was officially renamed the Department of Defense, a change that emphasized a focus on preventing conflict rather than just waging war.
VERY good point Teren! Excellent observation.

As you know I think all of prophecy revolves around Israel and here it is showing up with the name of the DOD/DOW.


Israel comes into her land and reforms the nation in 1948

Shortly after the Dept of War becomes the Dept of Defense

And now here we are almost 2 years into the horrors of Israel's invasion by Hamas in Gaza, attacks by Hezbollah in Iran, missiles from Iran, and their proxies the Houthis.

And Trump renames it back to the Dept of War.

It almost points a spotlight on what I believe was the rise of the USA as a world power after WW2- when Britain's fall as a world power was complete (along with their opposition to refugee Jews fleeing the Holocaust before WW2, and even afterwards as Britain looked to appease the Arab oil power in Saudi Arabia.

The USA emerges as the world power - to defend ISRAEL

And now they are called to war- with Israel to help her.

Really interesting observation!!!!
 
VERY good point Teren! Excellent observation.

As you know I think all of prophecy revolves around Israel and here it is showing up with the name of the DOD/DOW.


Israel comes into her land and reforms the nation in 1948

Shortly after the Dept of War becomes the Dept of Defense

And now here we are almost 2 years into the horrors of Israel's invasion by Hamas in Gaza, attacks by Hezbollah in Iran, missiles from Iran, and their proxies the Houthis.

And Trump renames it back to the Dept of War.

It almost points a spotlight on what I believe was the rise of the USA as a world power after WW2- when Britain's fall as a world power was complete (along with their opposition to refugee Jews fleeing the Holocaust before WW2, and even afterwards as Britain looked to appease the Arab oil power in Saudi Arabia.

The USA emerges as the world power - to defend ISRAEL

And now they are called to war- with Israel to help her.

Really interesting observation!!!!
Thanks Margery. It makes sense that America change DOW to DOD beacause of its stance to "defend" Israel. America on a biblical map consideration is not even so much as mentioned. That we know of (I think it does...but let's go with what is clear and plain readings). As we look at today, many are wondering if Trump is the President of Israel. Why so much American favor? Even beyond that, Trump issued an Executive Order and Congress passed a law protecting "specifically Israel" from hate speech on college campuses. From a 1st amendment standpoint, some American's are sickened by how much preference the USA gives Israel. When we think about it though Margery...isn't that a great problem to be said of having? Does not that problem imply its NOT, so much, do the elbow nudge in "some" to "great" effect?

The concerns of given Israel preference is a big deal in America. Not to everyone. But it is concerning when protecting Israel takes precidence over the 1st amendment. Yet THAT is how much Israel is regarded. What is noteworthy to me in this arena is the distractions of Christian Nationalism and/or the Re-upping of America. The sheer irony that a powerful America = a powerful Israel is beyond question. I am sure some worry about what happens after Trump. But I would say the trajectory the country is now on, America is primed not for protecting a 4 year election. But completely gutting globalism. I realize that is too big of a step for most. But just saying, if that occurs it almost won't matter who is the next president because so much will have been changed likely, it would be impossible to get globalism going again.

Personally I believe that America should be a distraction. And is actually meant to be a distraction for cause. That cause being, as goes America so goes Israel. But it does not seem like this is something the evangelical community can get their arms around. At least in the watcher movement sense. Am I wrong? What I have seen is this (when coming to how to look at things):

DON'T DO THIS
To condsider America is coming back is to be too worldly focused. And to want worldly government over Christ. Besides, look at the Genuis Act, the AI, all the things Trump will provide his predecessor with. We are doomed (of course omitting parts of the Genuis act that keep the dollar staple if we switch off the globalist beast system American dollar system currently in operation).

DO THIS
See America as designing the beast system. All government is evil. Its all conspiring together. Understand it is two sides of the same coin. It only leads to more deception. See America as creating the beast system. Witness and pray for an early rapture.

Very personally -- I am appalled that this is the level Christianity was only able to reach where it has in the way and places it has. To me, this is such a sad state of being in. To me, this is saying to God: "I don't care what you want to do with Israel to tell us how the story should look. Our view of America is stronger than your use of Israel. And we see the book of Revelation. And we know what will happen...so help us, You, God." Tongue in cheek. I know no-one is saying that. But to me, that is how it feels sometimes, where the church seems to stray out there in certain left field on that note, to me.

I could have treated how I saw the church 20 or 30 years ago much more soundly. With much more empathy. Because the bottom line was not what they said or did...it boiled down to who is God to me. This sounds prideful. This sounds perhaps new age. I don't mean it different than the word. But I tried so hard to line up to how the church was thinking I conspired with them to translate me into the image of the church. This was my fault. This was me not understanding that what was shown in His word concerning false teaching takes second place to who He is in my life. And I treated it the other way around. This may sound strange. I place a very high premium on sound teaching amen. But I made sound teaching a technocrat [g]od.

So, Magery, your notice of this dear sister is very precious. Not in a sense of "I know what prophetically is going on" dance. But "Yes, God is that real," dance. It brings me closer to spiritual home where I tend to try and let the border gates remain open. lol. And invade the country of my soul with this or that. But what is most precious to me is to see God for who He really is. And not to make my political or my eschatological views enforce that. But not let them crowd Him out either. So this is like chicken soup for the soul dear sister.

. . . . .

But back to what I was saying though, its neat to see that now the name has changed it might imply America having a war stance against globalism. Amen...perhaps. Or that it can have also a sense of prophetic motif of Ez 38 on the horizon for Israel...since in promiximity of them we changed. Whatever that "might" mean, what is truly interesting to fathom is if in proximity to this name change defense/war, Israel comes of age in prominent ways perhaps never imagined for her temporarily. I reckon if that goes down, wow, in connection to the name change. I mean...lol...come on...how loud does it have to be...lol.

Margery you are bringing up another fascinating point dear sister. And let me ask to be sure, because I never really thought this one through. But are you saying that WW2 was when America started to really become a major world player? In looking this up, it seems true. That America becomes a superpower in light of WW2 and thereafter. So, again...wow...this is like a coloring book with water colors level of insight. And the kind I like to gravitate to. Not high posturings of philosphical grandure...but pastels and coloring book crayon level providences of God. That America became a super power at the time Israel became a nation. So, any questions? Nuff said.

I hate that last term. Never use it. But seemed really fitting just there...lol. When Providence is so stupid easy, it seems like anything "but God." And yes, that was a pun. Thanks for this hug dear lady. My mode now toward the church in general is most overwhelmingly empathetic and to care lovingly. Because the first 25 years of my Christian life was trying to jockey for correct doctrine all the while tearing my life to shreds doing it. When it would have been a lot sweeter to see God transcend my imagined moment. So, the best I think I can do now is to make up that difference. And you do make that easier. Blessings. :heart:
 
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