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@Margery sorry this is an attempt at me being brief in I believe a less helpful way. I will strive for expression that is a lot clearer and succinct
GOD'S GOODNES
Yes we see His goodness in every age amen. I believe judgement is His goodness too. In general prophesy watching can tend toward primary focuses of how evil things are getting, a beast system forming, and can tend to post videos about "What's Next?" Greater horror. If I could link 1 verse to a hinge point: Hosea 11:9. Its not that God's goodness is not with us in every age. Its just the prophecy focus can tend to be on the darker themes.
* What on earth is a "hot sync beast systematic"? -- Just meaning an abundant comprehensive like focus on that subject (a technology used primarily for synchronizing data between Palm OS devices and desktop computers)
* and how does that relate to "focuses on prophecy"? -- having abundant focus on the beast system
* What is "prophecy most common"? -- referring to an end time focus on the dark
* "Whole hog views"? -- my views tend to lean more to events observed through the goodness of God, in the patient longsuffering sense during the age of grace. This view overall sees contemporary events displaying patience and longsuffering
* What are these "theological hinge points"? -- Hosea 11:9, Numbers 20:9-12, Ezekiel 33:11
* To make Gods actions into 2 separate camps: goodness/providence and prophecy dealing with judgment/wrath is to create a false dichotomy -- This maybe a matter of semantics. But a primary focus today in end times is greater evil forming. God told us this ahead of time. Amen. I'm not suggesting judgement and wrath are not God's goodness. But the way i mean this is like expressed in Romans 2:4/Romans 11:22.
* First off God doesn't buckshot anything in a hopeful way. He knows the end from the beginning, He has a plan, He has given us what we need in the Bible. -- My sense on hopeful is not meant from an open theist perspective. I believe He does know the end from the beginning. But hopeful in the Luke 17:17 perspective (Matt 5:45). Or dying on the cross in good faith to desire all to come to salvation (1 Tim 2:4). Even Luke 13:34 way. The emphasis on this one for me is not the buckshot perse. But on John 15:12-15. A desire of God for varying denominations to love one another. "Know what the Father is doing" was meant for 1st century gospel clarity in an uncertain time while the NT was still being written. But the tendency over differing eschatological views has cause for divide. Divide in one sense of course is healthy. But if our love toward one another in differing denominations transcends heated argument, we are blessed with knowing what the Father is doing. Eschatological differences can tend (does not have to but we have seen it cause heated divide) to sow strife. Perhaps it is better than buckshotted said: our love toward one another enhances understanding toward what God is doing (even from our perspective differing theologies).
* He uses those to help us dig deeper into the Word, but denominational boundaries are not a bad thing. -- No they are not. And digging in his word is advised, amen. I've seen it get pretty heated though where believes can be overly dogmatic considering eschatology. And to hurtful extremes. Its the attitude not the denomination deconstruction in view, as I mean it.
* Making "tribes" is a little critical of the differences of opinion between say dispensationalists and reform theology. -- Agreed. Where there is healthy exchange, amen. Denominational differences, for me, is not what is in view when using "tribes." Its the attitude within varying demolitions where dogmatic attitudes can and have (in diverse places) become tribal in mind.
* But what do you mean by "knowing likely most of it will not rank high on what themes a would consider highest" -- It should be "I would." Meaning I believe it healthy to consider how others come to their views. Not to trade in our views for them. But to hold it in honor of the other person for whom Christ died. But just in common decency of consideration for one another. Even though it might not change much if anything about our views. Views we might hold as higher potential soundest theology.
* But how do you come to the conclusion that an individual piece of a prophetic puzzle is likely more important than the prophecy itself????? I am presuming by "puzzle it solves" you refer to the prophecy as a whole. -- I don't think it is more important than the prophesy itself. But thank you for asking for clarification on:
"But that each peace is important likely more so than the puzzle it solves. But for being in His spirit in love "being" a living hermeneutic itself kind of thing."
My sense on that Margery is my term in the next sentence: "But for..." I will really work on not doing this moving forward dear sister. I can see its not the most helpful way to frame things like. "But for" is very important here. It would be a poetic way to say: 1 Cor 13:2...
"If I have the gift of prophecy and know all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing."
But for being in His spirit in love seeing a puzzle piece because of love is more valuable than seeing all of prophesy without love.
Let's look at NAR as an example. This is a movement where they might likely be a high number of those who don't know the Lord. But there are plenty of testimonies of true believers who have come out rom among them. They would have likely been saved even during their time in NAR. So what NAR sees is an amplified version of what post millennials have believed for centuries. NARs views for example are a strong America and maybe even a Christian Nationalism to form. What puzzle piece could exist there is that America may indeed prosper greatly at a time when most evangelical eschatology = America fading from the scene. I realize this is pure conjecture, but if some accuracy is in it, it likely would have meant that NAR could see or believe for an increasing American posture in an eschatological world where America is otherwise typically decreasing in relevance. If this occurs, the puzzle piece would be one of nearsightedness. Something the evangelical church would not as much notice (or at least as much as it appears to be the case today). If true, other evangelical denominations would do well to consider a near sense of American expansion. Or at least have that strange puzzle piece on the table. And NAR would benefit from our farsightedness of sorts. Where a tendency can occur to pull tribulation events into our age of grace. For us, nearsighted consideration may help explain some things about near term political transformations.
If things look like they are improving NAR would not have far sight enough to benefit from its whole as much. And if things look like they are improving to evangelicals, not having a puzzle piece sense of nearsighted perspective could impair making simple connections that might have very transient eschatological value but may mean something in a nearsighted sense more than how it fits the farsighted conclusion. This occurring would not make the puzzle piece more important than the prophesy. But it could provide soundest nearsighted clarity. As opposed to lets say us barrowing from farsighted tendencies that would be more inclined to overlay farsighted perspective on nearsighted conditions. They eventually end up in the same place later. But along the way may mean something more regarding immediate context than what it may or will in the farsighted conclusion of it. Like if Abraham Accords is nearsighted events forming conditions for Israel to have peace and safety, it explains an American role in Ez 38 formation more than it might or will as a covenant the AC strengthens. Otherwise if all that is considered in the Abe Accords is something the AC strengthens, then all the Ez 38 lining up along the way may be not noticed or downplayed. And that is a huge chunk of events unfolding before us to seek its clarity outside its immediate context. Ez 38 is prophecy more than the more popular notion of looking to see how Abe Accords evolves into the covenant of the many--at least in the practical sense the church won't see the latter. But we may be "all over" the former. But hopefully not misstep along the way tying perhaps too much of Abe Accords to a time not yet ripe enough to help inform best on contemporary formations unfolding while we are here. Which in the analogy would or could be Ez 38. And whatever others contemporary events supply Ez 38 (not AC signing of the covenant with the many--as much...yet).
* I DO NOT UNDERSTAND what you mean by this (TCC: But for being in His spirit in love "being" a living hermeneutic itself kind of thing.) -- John 15:12-15. To me, it just seems that understanding comes by diligent study and prayer. But in John 15, loving one another is linked to "Knowing what the Father is doing." I understand this was not meant eschatologically. But if this is a principle of kingdom living, then it transcends the first century. And a very fortunate principle for the end time saints trying to make sense of the insanity around us. If so, to that extent...it would appear to be a living hermeneutic. Knowing what the Father is doing clarity has biblical ties to loving each other.
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Wow Margery, thanks so much for going into so much detail. So sorry to leave all that mess on the table. I will be more mindful moving forward. Ya'll should not be subjected to decoding my posts. Wow...lol...that is so not how life is supposed to work. But thank you so much for the sweet and kind engagement even though.
Blessings.
GOD'S GOODNES
Yes we see His goodness in every age amen. I believe judgement is His goodness too. In general prophesy watching can tend toward primary focuses of how evil things are getting, a beast system forming, and can tend to post videos about "What's Next?" Greater horror. If I could link 1 verse to a hinge point: Hosea 11:9. Its not that God's goodness is not with us in every age. Its just the prophecy focus can tend to be on the darker themes.
* What on earth is a "hot sync beast systematic"? -- Just meaning an abundant comprehensive like focus on that subject (a technology used primarily for synchronizing data between Palm OS devices and desktop computers)
* and how does that relate to "focuses on prophecy"? -- having abundant focus on the beast system
* What is "prophecy most common"? -- referring to an end time focus on the dark
* "Whole hog views"? -- my views tend to lean more to events observed through the goodness of God, in the patient longsuffering sense during the age of grace. This view overall sees contemporary events displaying patience and longsuffering
* What are these "theological hinge points"? -- Hosea 11:9, Numbers 20:9-12, Ezekiel 33:11
* To make Gods actions into 2 separate camps: goodness/providence and prophecy dealing with judgment/wrath is to create a false dichotomy -- This maybe a matter of semantics. But a primary focus today in end times is greater evil forming. God told us this ahead of time. Amen. I'm not suggesting judgement and wrath are not God's goodness. But the way i mean this is like expressed in Romans 2:4/Romans 11:22.
* First off God doesn't buckshot anything in a hopeful way. He knows the end from the beginning, He has a plan, He has given us what we need in the Bible. -- My sense on hopeful is not meant from an open theist perspective. I believe He does know the end from the beginning. But hopeful in the Luke 17:17 perspective (Matt 5:45). Or dying on the cross in good faith to desire all to come to salvation (1 Tim 2:4). Even Luke 13:34 way. The emphasis on this one for me is not the buckshot perse. But on John 15:12-15. A desire of God for varying denominations to love one another. "Know what the Father is doing" was meant for 1st century gospel clarity in an uncertain time while the NT was still being written. But the tendency over differing eschatological views has cause for divide. Divide in one sense of course is healthy. But if our love toward one another in differing denominations transcends heated argument, we are blessed with knowing what the Father is doing. Eschatological differences can tend (does not have to but we have seen it cause heated divide) to sow strife. Perhaps it is better than buckshotted said: our love toward one another enhances understanding toward what God is doing (even from our perspective differing theologies).
* He uses those to help us dig deeper into the Word, but denominational boundaries are not a bad thing. -- No they are not. And digging in his word is advised, amen. I've seen it get pretty heated though where believes can be overly dogmatic considering eschatology. And to hurtful extremes. Its the attitude not the denomination deconstruction in view, as I mean it.
* Making "tribes" is a little critical of the differences of opinion between say dispensationalists and reform theology. -- Agreed. Where there is healthy exchange, amen. Denominational differences, for me, is not what is in view when using "tribes." Its the attitude within varying demolitions where dogmatic attitudes can and have (in diverse places) become tribal in mind.
* But what do you mean by "knowing likely most of it will not rank high on what themes a would consider highest" -- It should be "I would." Meaning I believe it healthy to consider how others come to their views. Not to trade in our views for them. But to hold it in honor of the other person for whom Christ died. But just in common decency of consideration for one another. Even though it might not change much if anything about our views. Views we might hold as higher potential soundest theology.
* But how do you come to the conclusion that an individual piece of a prophetic puzzle is likely more important than the prophecy itself????? I am presuming by "puzzle it solves" you refer to the prophecy as a whole. -- I don't think it is more important than the prophesy itself. But thank you for asking for clarification on:
"But that each peace is important likely more so than the puzzle it solves. But for being in His spirit in love "being" a living hermeneutic itself kind of thing."
My sense on that Margery is my term in the next sentence: "But for..." I will really work on not doing this moving forward dear sister. I can see its not the most helpful way to frame things like. "But for" is very important here. It would be a poetic way to say: 1 Cor 13:2...
"If I have the gift of prophecy and know all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing."
But for being in His spirit in love seeing a puzzle piece because of love is more valuable than seeing all of prophesy without love.
Let's look at NAR as an example. This is a movement where they might likely be a high number of those who don't know the Lord. But there are plenty of testimonies of true believers who have come out rom among them. They would have likely been saved even during their time in NAR. So what NAR sees is an amplified version of what post millennials have believed for centuries. NARs views for example are a strong America and maybe even a Christian Nationalism to form. What puzzle piece could exist there is that America may indeed prosper greatly at a time when most evangelical eschatology = America fading from the scene. I realize this is pure conjecture, but if some accuracy is in it, it likely would have meant that NAR could see or believe for an increasing American posture in an eschatological world where America is otherwise typically decreasing in relevance. If this occurs, the puzzle piece would be one of nearsightedness. Something the evangelical church would not as much notice (or at least as much as it appears to be the case today). If true, other evangelical denominations would do well to consider a near sense of American expansion. Or at least have that strange puzzle piece on the table. And NAR would benefit from our farsightedness of sorts. Where a tendency can occur to pull tribulation events into our age of grace. For us, nearsighted consideration may help explain some things about near term political transformations.
If things look like they are improving NAR would not have far sight enough to benefit from its whole as much. And if things look like they are improving to evangelicals, not having a puzzle piece sense of nearsighted perspective could impair making simple connections that might have very transient eschatological value but may mean something in a nearsighted sense more than how it fits the farsighted conclusion. This occurring would not make the puzzle piece more important than the prophesy. But it could provide soundest nearsighted clarity. As opposed to lets say us barrowing from farsighted tendencies that would be more inclined to overlay farsighted perspective on nearsighted conditions. They eventually end up in the same place later. But along the way may mean something more regarding immediate context than what it may or will in the farsighted conclusion of it. Like if Abraham Accords is nearsighted events forming conditions for Israel to have peace and safety, it explains an American role in Ez 38 formation more than it might or will as a covenant the AC strengthens. Otherwise if all that is considered in the Abe Accords is something the AC strengthens, then all the Ez 38 lining up along the way may be not noticed or downplayed. And that is a huge chunk of events unfolding before us to seek its clarity outside its immediate context. Ez 38 is prophecy more than the more popular notion of looking to see how Abe Accords evolves into the covenant of the many--at least in the practical sense the church won't see the latter. But we may be "all over" the former. But hopefully not misstep along the way tying perhaps too much of Abe Accords to a time not yet ripe enough to help inform best on contemporary formations unfolding while we are here. Which in the analogy would or could be Ez 38. And whatever others contemporary events supply Ez 38 (not AC signing of the covenant with the many--as much...yet).
* I DO NOT UNDERSTAND what you mean by this (TCC: But for being in His spirit in love "being" a living hermeneutic itself kind of thing.) -- John 15:12-15. To me, it just seems that understanding comes by diligent study and prayer. But in John 15, loving one another is linked to "Knowing what the Father is doing." I understand this was not meant eschatologically. But if this is a principle of kingdom living, then it transcends the first century. And a very fortunate principle for the end time saints trying to make sense of the insanity around us. If so, to that extent...it would appear to be a living hermeneutic. Knowing what the Father is doing clarity has biblical ties to loving each other.
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Wow Margery, thanks so much for going into so much detail. So sorry to leave all that mess on the table. I will be more mindful moving forward. Ya'll should not be subjected to decoding my posts. Wow...lol...that is so not how life is supposed to work. But thank you so much for the sweet and kind engagement even though.
Blessings.
beautifully stated.
