THE TWO WITNESSES OF REVELATION

[Andy C]

A Bible Study by Jack Kelley

And I will give power to my two witnesses and they will prophesy for 1260 days clothed in sack cloth. These are the two olive trees and the two lamp stands that stand before the Lord of the earth. If anyone tries to harm them fire comes from their mouths and devours their enemies. This is how anyone who wants to harm them must die. These men have power to shut up the sky so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying and they have the power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want. (Rev 11:3-6).

The Lord has always used the testimony of two witnesses to establish a fact. In the Mosaic law the testimony of two witnesses was required to obtain a conviction (Deut 19:15). Jesus used this law to validate His claim to be the Light of the World (John 8:17). In Revelation 11 the two witnesses validate the Lord’s claim that He (not Satan) is Lord of the Earth. So the principle of two witnesses is firmly established and almost universally accepted among Bible students. Therefore any discussion of the two witnesses of Revelation will sooner or later center on their identity.

What Was Your Name Again?​

Several Old and New Testament figures have been suggested as the identities of these two, including Moses, Elijah, Enoch, John and Nathaniel. But if the two witnesses are Biblical figures from the past, the most logical candidates are Moses and Elijah, and here’s why. The supernatural signs used to authenticate the ministry of the two witnesses are the same ones that Moses (plagues, and water into blood) and Elijah (drought and fire) used to authenticate theirs and are decidedly Old Testament in their nature. Moses is known in Judaism as the giver of the Law, while Elijah is considered the greatest of Israel’s Prophets. In fact the Old Testament is often called “the Law and the Prophets”, hinting at the contributions of these two great leaders from Israel’s history. Who better to represent God on Earth during the time when He brings events foretold in “the Law and the Prophets” to their ultimate climax?

Moses and Elijah were both with the Lord on the Mount of Transfiguration where the discussion involved His departure and 2nd coming (Luke 9:28-31 & 2 Peter 1:16-18). By the way that event was rich in symbolism. First of all it took place out of time, Jesus appearing as He later would at His 2nd coming joined by the Voice of the Father, and the Cloud or Shekinah Glory, a manifestation of the Holy Spirit. Then you have Moses and Elijah representing Old Testament and Israel, and finally Peter, James and John, representing the New Testament and the Church. Peter’s suggestion that he build booths for Moses and Elijah refers to a fulfillment of the Feast of Tabernacles, recalling the time when God dwelt with man and looking forward to the Millennium when God will again dwell among us. Also first century church tradition holds that Moses and Elijah were the two men in white who appeared to the disciples on the Mt. of Olives at the Lord’s ascension and promised His return (Acts 1:10-11).

The Age Of Man​

As the age of man draws to a close we come full circle with God when, following the removal of the Church, He turns again to Israel as the focus of His attention and reverts to an Old Testament approach to mankind in general. In the Old Testament people believed in God because of the dramatic supernatural signs He gave to demonstrate His existence. It has been described as a time of belief by evidence. In the Upper room as Thomas saw the evidence Jesus presented him and believed, Jesus said, “Because you have seen Me you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed” (John 20:29). This was the Lord’s last beatitude and looked forward to the coming Church.

The Church Age is a time of belief by faith, and that faith has brought great blessing, just as the Lord promised. When those who have believed by faith are gone, God will once again demonstrate His existence with dramatic supernatural signs, and many will believe because of this evidence. It’s going to be pretty tough to look up into the sky and see an army on white horses descending and say, “No I don’t believe that.”

The Book of Revelation documents this return to a time of belief by evidence, and will make things even more obvious because mankind will now have a script with which to follow the action. Of Revelation’s 404 verses 278 are direct quotes from the Old Testament. Remember, God’s primary objectives during the Great Tribulation are two fold; to completely destroy all the nations among which the Jews were scattered, and to discipline and purify Israel (Jere. 30:4-11) in preparation for the Kingdom Age.

The Great Tribulation is so Old Testament in its nature and so obviously directed at Israel, it’s only logical to see the two witnesses as a return of two of Israel’s greatest leaders.

Are They Dead Yet?​

From Scripture we know that Elijah was taken alive into Heaven (2 Kings 2:11) and that Moses died on Mt. Nebo in Moab (Jordan) and was buried by God Himself in a place unknown to man (Deut. 34:1-6). Hebrews 9:27 states that man is destined to die once and after that to face judgement. It’s an obvious denial of the concept of reincarnation, but it also gives some scholars trouble with the idea of Moses coming back as one of the two witnesses. They’re OK with Elijah coming back: he never died (or did he? See Matt. 17:11-13). But what about Moses?

Keep in mind that Hebrews 9:27 is a principle not a rule. Several biblical figures have died more than once. Elijah raised a boy from the dead (1 Kings 17:22), Jesus raised several: Jairus’s daughter (Mark 5:40-42) the widow of Nain’s son (Luke 7:14-15) and Lazarus (John 11:43-44), and Paul raised a man who had fallen out of a third story window and died (Acts 20:7-12). I also believe that Paul himself was raised from the dead (Acts 14:19-20). These people all died again later.

Then there’s a curious reference in Jude 9 hinting at a dispute between the Archangel Michael and Satan over the body of Moses. Michael is one of the few angels named for us, and usually appears as a commander in God’s army fighting battles in defense of Israel (Daniel 12:1). Why did God need Moses’ body? Was Moses to be resurrected for some later mission to Israel? The reference in Jude assumes his readers knew or could figure out the answer.

All things considered I believe the weight of evidence favors Moses and Elijah as the two witnesses of Revelation 11. One of the great blessings of living in our time is that we won’t have long to wait until we find out for sure. You can almost hear the footsteps of the Messiah.

The Two Witnesses of Revelation – Grace thru faith

Two men who personify "the Law and the Prophets" return to witness events they foretold.

gracethrufaith.com

 

[Hol]

All things considered I believe the weight of evidence favors Moses and Elijah as the two witnesses of Revelation 11. One of the great blessings of living in our time is that we won’t have long to wait until we find out for sure.

 

[Andy C]

I lean towards agreeing with Jack on those two candidates being the 2 Witnesses. However, it could also be two unknowns who God has chosen to do His will during the tribulation. Either way, it has no impact on the church.

 

[Tall Timbers]

I lean towards agreeing with Jack on those two candidates being the 2 Witnesses. However, it could also be two unknowns who God has chosen to do His will during the tribulation. Either way, it has no impact on the church.

I'm just glad he didn't claim they absolutely would be the two witnesses, but suggested they were the best candidates. It bugs me when teachers who have become well known make a definitive claim as to who the two witnesses will be.

 

[mattfivefour]

Well, that was an interesting read. I enjoyed his speculation. I'm not sure I agree with him, but it was definitely worth reading and considering.

 

[TCC]

I'm just glad he didn't claim they absolutely would be the two witnesses, but suggested they were the best candidates. It bugs me when teachers who have become well known make a definitive claim as to who the two witnesses will be.

Yes. Yes Yes. I so agree with this point TT. It makes it a lot eisier to sojourn along side men of the faith who state their case, but realize room for differences. It places focus on the topic discussed and the clarity in discovery. Amen.

 

[TCC]

A Bible Study by Jack Kelley

And I will give power to my two witnesses and they will prophesy for 1260 days clothed in sack cloth. These are the two olive trees and the two lamp stands that stand before the Lord of the earth. If anyone tries to harm them fire comes from their mouths and devours their enemies. This is how anyone who wants to harm them must die. These men have power to shut up the sky so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying and they have the power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want. (Rev 11:3-6).

The Lord has always used the testimony of two witnesses to establish a fact. In the Mosaic law the testimony of two witnesses was required to obtain a conviction (Deut 19:15). Jesus used this law to validate His claim to be the Light of the World (John 8:17). In Revelation 11 the two witnesses validate the Lord’s claim that He (not Satan) is Lord of the Earth. So the principle of two witnesses is firmly established and almost universally accepted among Bible students. Therefore any discussion of the two witnesses of Revelation will sooner or later center on their identity.

What Was Your Name Again?​

Several Old and New Testament figures have been suggested as the identities of these two, including Moses, Elijah, Enoch, John and Nathaniel. But if the two witnesses are Biblical figures from the past, the most logical candidates are Moses and Elijah, and here’s why. The supernatural signs used to authenticate the ministry of the two witnesses are the same ones that Moses (plagues, and water into blood) and Elijah (drought and fire) used to authenticate theirs and are decidedly Old Testament in their nature. Moses is known in Judaism as the giver of the Law, while Elijah is considered the greatest of Israel’s Prophets. In fact the Old Testament is often called “the Law and the Prophets”, hinting at the contributions of these two great leaders from Israel’s history. Who better to represent God on Earth during the time when He brings events foretold in “the Law and the Prophets” to their ultimate climax?

Moses and Elijah were both with the Lord on the Mount of Transfiguration where the discussion involved His departure and 2nd coming (Luke 9:28-31 & 2 Peter 1:16-18). By the way that event was rich in symbolism. First of all it took place out of time, Jesus appearing as He later would at His 2nd coming joined by the Voice of the Father, and the Cloud or Shekinah Glory, a manifestation of the Holy Spirit. Then you have Moses and Elijah representing Old Testament and Israel, and finally Peter, James and John, representing the New Testament and the Church. Peter’s suggestion that he build booths for Moses and Elijah refers to a fulfillment of the Feast of Tabernacles, recalling the time when God dwelt with man and looking forward to the Millennium when God will again dwell among us. Also first century church tradition holds that Moses and Elijah were the two men in white who appeared to the disciples on the Mt. of Olives at the Lord’s ascension and promised His return (Acts 1:10-11).

The Age Of Man​

As the age of man draws to a close we come full circle with God when, following the removal of the Church, He turns again to Israel as the focus of His attention and reverts to an Old Testament approach to mankind in general. In the Old Testament people believed in God because of the dramatic supernatural signs He gave to demonstrate His existence. It has been described as a time of belief by evidence. In the Upper room as Thomas saw the evidence Jesus presented him and believed, Jesus said, “Because you have seen Me you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed” (John 20:29). This was the Lord’s last beatitude and looked forward to the coming Church.

The Church Age is a time of belief by faith, and that faith has brought great blessing, just as the Lord promised. When those who have believed by faith are gone, God will once again demonstrate His existence with dramatic supernatural signs, and many will believe because of this evidence. It’s going to be pretty tough to look up into the sky and see an army on white horses descending and say, “No I don’t believe that.”

The Book of Revelation documents this return to a time of belief by evidence, and will make things even more obvious because mankind will now have a script with which to follow the action. Of Revelation’s 404 verses 278 are direct quotes from the Old Testament. Remember, God’s primary objectives during the Great Tribulation are two fold; to completely destroy all the nations among which the Jews were scattered, and to discipline and purify Israel (Jere. 30:4-11) in preparation for the Kingdom Age.

The Great Tribulation is so Old Testament in its nature and so obviously directed at Israel, it’s only logical to see the two witnesses as a return of two of Israel’s greatest leaders.

Are They Dead Yet?​

From Scripture we know that Elijah was taken alive into Heaven (2 Kings 2:11) and that Moses died on Mt. Nebo in Moab (Jordan) and was buried by God Himself in a place unknown to man (Deut. 34:1-6). Hebrews 9:27 states that man is destined to die once and after that to face judgement. It’s an obvious denial of the concept of reincarnation, but it also gives some scholars trouble with the idea of Moses coming back as one of the two witnesses. They’re OK with Elijah coming back: he never died (or did he? See Matt. 17:11-13). But what about Moses?

Keep in mind that Hebrews 9:27 is a principle not a rule. Several biblical figures have died more than once. Elijah raised a boy from the dead (1 Kings 17:22), Jesus raised several: Jairus’s daughter (Mark 5:40-42) the widow of Nain’s son (Luke 7:14-15) and Lazarus (John 11:43-44), and Paul raised a man who had fallen out of a third story window and died (Acts 20:7-12). I also believe that Paul himself was raised from the dead (Acts 14:19-20). These people all died again later.

Then there’s a curious reference in Jude 9 hinting at a dispute between the Archangel Michael and Satan over the body of Moses. Michael is one of the few angels named for us, and usually appears as a commander in God’s army fighting battles in defense of Israel (Daniel 12:1). Why did God need Moses’ body? Was Moses to be resurrected for some later mission to Israel? The reference in Jude assumes his readers knew or could figure out the answer.

All things considered I believe the weight of evidence favors Moses and Elijah as the two witnesses of Revelation 11. One of the great blessings of living in our time is that we won’t have long to wait until we find out for sure. You can almost hear the footsteps of the Messiah.

The Two Witnesses of Revelation – Grace thru faith

Two men who personify "the Law and the Prophets" return to witness events they foretold.

gracethrufaith.com

Thanks Andy. Well this is a first for me...lol. Somtimes I can be kind of slow. But I finally get how Moses could be a candidate now. Of course there is the transfiguration indication And Jack did a great job in mention of the tablinacles desired to be built by Peter then. Mal 4 also mentions Moses along with Elijah coming before the day of the Lord. There I guess are two ways I could consider this. 1) How the two line up for a day before the Day of the Lord. And 2) Interesting in contrast that even though Moses is noted in Malichi, it is only Elijah mentioned to come before the Day of the Lord. So it could be reference indicating Moses may not be there. But it is also unmistakable how the two line up together in more than one place, potentially as a grand hint. Amen. In the latter view it would be understood that Moses and Elijah would be foremostlly to mirror, Christ. That Christ is the fulfillment of the law and the prophets.

My reasons for not really considering Moses is because he died. I never really realized a good arguement for that a long the way. But yeah there were many raised from the dead that died later (all of them). I think it is just a bit trickier to see that sort of thing after thousands of years. The cases we have seen historically in scripture were cases involving those who had died recently. And their bodies did not completely dissolve into dust. So if it is Moses, it, I believe, would be the first case then one was raised from the dead from complete ash of the earth. Well, in the sense of being able to die again. Obviously the rapture will be a mass raising of ashes in the earth but all of those cases never die again. So in that sense, if it is Moses, it would be super unique.

I have tended to go with Enoch for the obvious. But less obvious is that when Christ died He went to bear witness to the spirits now in chains. This seemed to have been an allusion to the old world. The testimony of Christ having some importance in the witness thereof concerning the old world before the flood. So there is an old and new testament era. But as the over arching conditions of creation in general, the changes Christ employed upon His resurrection would be foundationally spiritual -- although I tend to believe that democracy vs king and queen era too have been a generic temporary Christus Victor like ripple effect upon the social order of man as a natural order potential consequence of the work and resurrection of Christ. But before and after the flood would be wholistically very different natural orders of how natural law works. So Christ making reference to the significance of that age would seem to imply to me perhaps Enoch as a representation of the world that was. And Elijah for the world after. But there are other ways to look at what that meant when Christ visited the spirits now in chains that do not make that about the old world too.

In any event, Moses would make a lot of sense for Israel's 70th week implications. Because he would then be testifying to Israel that he was a type of Christ to come. It is on that note though as well I might consider perhaps Enoch instead though. Because maybe the reason Malachi 4 does not mention Moses returning with Elijah might be because Christ became the law Moses merely represented. There is that potential too. Really fascinating considerations brother. Thanks. And I appreciate arriving at my first real consideration that yeah, Moses could actually be raised and die again....biblically. That had pretty much been a blinder on me till now. Amen. Blessings.