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The back-channel diplomacy behind Trump’s U-turn on Iran

TCC

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Foreign ministers from Egypt, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan gathered before dawn Thursday in Riyadh for talks aimed at finding a diplomatic off-ramp to the war in Iran.

But there was one big problem, according to Arab officials involved in the discussions: finding a counterpart in Iran to negotiate with. Earlier that week, Israel killed Iran’s national security chi
ef, Ali Larijani, who had been considered a viable partner who could engage with the West.

Egyptian intelligence officials managed to open a channel with Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps—the paramilitary group that protects the Iranian regime and is the country’s most powerful security and political entity—and put forward a proposal to halt hostilities for five days to build confidence for a cease-fire, some of the officials said.

Those discussions laid the groundwork for an abrupt reversal more than 7,000 miles away in Florida.

On Saturday night, President Trump, who spent the weekend at his Mar-a-Lago club, gave Iran an ultimatum to reopen the Strait of Hormuz within 48 hours or the U.S. military would “obliterate” the country’s power plants. Two days later, as word of the discussions in Riyadh made its way to the White House, Trump reversed course, embracing diplomacy with Tehran and putting his threatened strikes on hold.

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Trump always keeps the enemy guessing. While making public statements about a deal close with Iran, he is also bringing thousands of troops to the ME. Trump could be making the deal with one of the multiple different leaders in Iran, and the other leaders may not know what the other is saying to Trump. They are all deep in hiding, with communication severely limited. Every time they try to communicate, the IDF is there waiting, then killing.
 
Trump always keeps the enemy guessing. While making public statements about a deal close with Iran, he is also bringing thousands of troops to the ME. Trump could be making the deal with one of the multiple different leaders in Iran, and the other leaders may not know what the other is saying to Trump. They are all deep in hiding, with communication severely limited. Every time they try to communicate, the IDF is there waiting, then killing.

...and the seemingly cool element (be that the accurate reality on the ground) is that the "deep state" (such as one snake head would be in Iran as with others countries having deep states too) seems to get a run for their money and in ways is getting a taste of something (a ghost in the machine) that does "deep state" shadow governance better than they do. lol. The Haman principle in it most intricately disruptive clandestine glory. Priceless...if true. :wink:
 
...and the seemingly cool element (be that the accurate reality on the ground) is that the "deep state" (such as one snake head would be in Iran as with others countries having deep states too) seems to get a run for their money and in ways is getting a taste of something (a ghost in the machine) that does "deep state" shadow governance better than they do. lol. The Haman principle in it most intricately disruptive clandestine glory. Priceless...if true. :wink:
Can I get a translator please…..:)
 
...and the seemingly cool element (be that the accurate reality on the ground) is that the "deep state" (such as one snake head would be in Iran as with others countries having deep states too) seems to get a run for their money and in ways is getting a taste of something (a ghost in the machine) that does "deep state" shadow governance better than they do. lol. The Haman principle in it most intricately disruptive clandestine glory. Priceless...if true. :wink:
I don't think Trump is beating them at anything to be honest.

He should have bombed 7 shades of you know what after his 48 hour deadline ultimatum, not keep extending it for another week almost.
 
Thanks @Andy C @Greg @Spartan Sprinter

I am honored and blessed it might seem worth decoding. Sorry i did not mean for it to be unclear altogether. My theory on what Trump has interest to do has not changed in a decade. But it certainty has been reasonably challenged even in my own heart. I've often been 30 seconds away from trashing any sense of it.

My Premise...I believe:

THIS IS OUR CONTEXT
1) The world is at war in globalism vs nationalism
2) Every country has a deep state (globalist operatives)
3) American old school regime change was a primary way to install America dollar supporters
4) The value of the overly printed inflated America dollar is in other countries being force to use it
5) The FED is the head of central banking to keep its money printing power afloat in part through regime change

THIS IS MY POINT
A) Since the deep states in countries operate to bring global control to power, they operate as though they were that government -- being a shadow government
B) In America that shadow government rose to become "the government" in Obama who I believe is not even a US Citizen
C) Forces like Islam, North Korea, Iran (those with terror potential) are toys in the political hands of shape shifting a world into globalist control
D) Trump coming into office seems like nationalism still has a chance (although I do tend to doubt this often)
E) Nationalism is how God formed the world
F) A one world government is only a good thing when Christ will reign, its not yet time for that
G) Premature world control is evil
H) Therefore in theory nationalism is good / Globalism is evil

IMMEDIATE CONTEXT
i would see Iran leaders as deep state tools that clearly do not represent the people. But serve to push ww3 for globalist reset purposes. Trump having backchannels, per the articles reflected in this thread, is Trump dealing with entities that more or less represent strands of authentic Iranian real governance. Trump leaves out the EU and Nato-ites because the real players in this are nationalists. Not EU nor NATO neo-cons. What seems to be unfolding in front of our faces is the winning strategies of nationalists vs globalists. But in order to best do so, it will likely take some work to see the true-ist playing pieces from the commonly contrived narratives constructed along the way.

So in that context, Trump seems to be working with players that don't sport news rhetoric. But boringly behind the scenes move actual power levels along. And if that is true (we have yet to see its more profound internal organs functioning well) we will see a dismantling of the deep state. Not America, Israel etc by Iran crushing though Hormuz.

So in general the way i see it is that alliances are shifting to choke out the overall globalist central banking parasite system and form a much more genuine good faith international monetary exchange operation form instead. Granting a taste of what it is like without suffocating all over the place. And "if true," then Trump's back channels (as laid out in this threads articles) would be the more real power broker channels to deal with (being in a sense its own shadow-like government). Yet it is likely the real players who are not central bank operations supporters.

As Iran has posed herself as wanting to annihilate Israel, she is a form of Haman in the book of Esther who wanted to wipe out the Jews. Haman fell in his own traps. So if we see this rhyme in our 21st century play out, we will see Israel become far more powerful. Which to me feeds into the Ez 38 narrative. But that's a different subject. What does seem forming is a potential for Iran bad faith leadership to become Haman and fall. While Israel rises further. Thus the shadow government/Hamman references. It is interesting we can kind of say all that in the same breath...if applicable.

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@Spartan Sprinter -- I understand what you are saying. But Trump had been pegged with being an Atomic Bomb pushing maniac who loses his temple too easily. Instead, i think what Trump is like is trying to choke out the globalist beast system in current operation and why all our products at the grocery store keep getting smaller packaging while costing the same (keep the illusion our money is not evaporating right in front of us). We live in a world where real government is a crime syndicate. Destroying economic systems because a country's leaders are insane would be a trap I believe for America. And something else....but please don't throw food...lol. Unless its spaghetti. I'm in the mood for spaghetti.

But I believe it is important on the world stage to see a powerful but caring America. Because I believe we represent the fading age of grace Church age to the world in some respect. I believe that is the overarching narrative we are all trafficking in together. I believe it is as important for America to demonstrate the kindness and patience of the Lord (whether we mean to or not and whether we are believers or not) as it is for international policy to make sense (whether we bomb something or not). I believe it is crucial the US (as hitched at the hip to Israel right now) be seen with some coherent sense of temperance because the left will insist this is regime change 101. Which is a globalist trope. Not a nationalist one. Very delicate political science impressions seem to be in the mix. I don't see Trump as a rep for God. But i do see him as a rep for our age. And ironically that is the church age handing the baton to Israel. That is the narrative i look for God to foment even in the mundane, the casual, the unassuming and yes...even in Trump...lol. Hope that helps. Blessings.
 
TCC, thank you fir so clearly laying that out. You raise many interesting points and I agree with a lot of what you are saying. I think Israel comes out of the current conflict stronger as Ezekiel approaches. Unfortunately, Persia is listed among the antagonists there, so probably the current regime hangs on or one like it arises.

Trump... I'd like to believe as you do, but I struggle with how much of the beast infrastructure is being developed, largely by the US, at warp speed. I think we're probably seeing a dialectical approach play out, but we shall see.
 
TCC, thank you fir so clearly laying that out. You raise many interesting points and I agree with a lot of what you are saying. I think Israel comes out of the current conflict stronger as Ezekiel approaches. Unfortunately, Persia is listed among the antagonists there, so probably the current regime hangs on or one like it arises.

Trump... I'd like to believe as you do, but I struggle with how much of the beast infrastructure is being developed, largely by the US, at warp speed. I think we're probably seeing a dialectical approach play out, but we shall see.

Hey Greg, thanks so much for the kind thoughts. And even more, that the ether in the room may not be mere laughing gas. I share what I can from certain aspects of how things look to me. It is pretty rare to get as much of an overture as your heart shares. So truly, thanks for that. I admit this particular way of looking at things can seem rather extremely counterintuitive. But I believe there is "enough" on the table to consider God might have a swansong age of grace ending story.

This is particularly difficult to see especially in light of your bringing up a very sober and real point: the beast system forming. If we are given a choice:

a) God has an age of grace end time story, or
b) There is a beast system being built for the coming tribulation

...I think (b) is a shoe-in. (A) probably does not exist. Where can we find (A) in the bible? My reply to that would be: Where do we see a beast system being built in the age of grace in the bible? We don't. But we can see it though, right? Yet, if neither (A) God has an age of grace swansong story or (B) A beast system is built during the age of grace, why do we see one and not the other so much? The way I would understand an answer in that is: Irony is a superpower in our age. And in this sense, it would seem irony to serve as a serf of providence.

I basically see the church as children of providence (Romans 10). And the bride. Not prophetic. The church was prophesied. But i do not believe the church holds a prophetic office. As the bride, we are more, but not that (prophet), in my estimation. It was Israel given the oracles of God, as well as the New Testament. It will be the 2 witnesses + the 144k who have prophetic power. Not the church (in my estimation). I believe it is healthy for the church to weigh-in and teach prophecy "forward." But I would see that different than the tendency the church has in kind of canonizing those views.

By children of providence as it relates to prophecy I believe is a thing though. In fact, I believe Israel's return was the porch light turned on prophetically. While providentially, the United States of American hugely invested protection of her. Many church scholars have certainty America is not used in prophecy. To me, this level of certainty (shared by the majority of laity) ironically can be a helpful diagnostic tool to realize prophecy is probably not so much our thing. In this is not meant to disparage any sense in the continuationist camp. i don't mean what I am saying to offset what gifts the church may have now as they did in the first century. I am just speaking in the sense that we can't go write a book, sell it on amazon, and then have it canonized.

I just believe we are children of the parenthetical age of grace. We were not a part of the 69 weeks and won't be for the 70th. So our tendency to pull the 70th week into the age of grace parenthetical though is off the charts. And in many cases all we see or mostly what we train to see. If the bible does not tell us that the beast system forms in the age of grace, then we can use what we do instinctively, see the beast system providentially forming everywhere, and perhaps apply that to the character we know of God--how that impacted the first century--and witness what else is going on in the world. Does it look like God is up to something beyond the mere allowance of a beast system? Surely we know His goodness calls men/women to repentance and enters the hearts of saints to witness. But it also seems to me that in God seemingly using America (the country the church often insists is not in prophecy) to help perhaps train the church in real-time to learn from His sovereignty through and in providence. As well as perhaps recognize His transcending our opinions about America and prophecy. It is not a foregone conclusion that America will take Israel to the next level. But by all that is happening, we could link everything to a beast system and shoehorn all providence cargo tagged items into the trunk of the tribulation train, or we could perhaps be a bit open to how some of what is happening (far left confronted, DOGE attempted, immigration confronted, election systems confronted, Venezuelan cartel dismantled, Mexican cartel confronted, Iran opposed, and a true red-white-and-blue leadership desire to corral America into having its own energy (to the point the USA surpasses Saudi Arabian oil production...for we well have). And in all of that if we look at the wallpaper...the US Constitution seems to be that which gave America power to become the most powerful country in the history of the world that protects Israel. That is not coincidence. Stated this way it may not be prophecy "proper." But it is providence "proper."

. . . . .

Your mention about Ez 38 and Iran is a great observation. Its hard to see Iran becoming friendly with the West. So we might tend to think it never will. And it might not. My guess is they will. Iran would have to swing that way or be dormant for a season in order for Israel to have peace. It can't be that Iran has constant Israeli death threats, and Israel reside in peace (a necessary Ez 38 condition). Personally, I believe Israel is far enough along the Ez 38 map matching, that it is likely we may well see Iran subdued in a real way. But if Iran is subdued for Israeli peace to come for Ez 38, then while Iran is defanged, it networks with other nations to plan a massive surprise retaliation attack. The term "false" peace is often used in describing end times and especially approaching the tribulation. I believe that is in part us reading parts of Daniel onto the AC that might have merely remained with Antiochus (Daniel 11:21). No doubt the AC will also be like that. But I think we tend to link up Dan 11:21 with portions of scripture that refer to Peace and Safety (like 1 Thes 5) as well as the very well known passage on Israel making a covenant with death (a passage I would see as fulfilled...although there are features about that verse's area in scripture that do make us consider other potentials) and conclude the AC comes with peace and safety. From the way the UN is carrying on, it would sure seem so. And even though i don't fully agree, it is so precious of the saints to beware of false peace (because the heart in it is for the honor of the Lord). But I honestly don't think labeling peace real, false, or temporary (the 1,000 year reign is a temporary peace) to necessarily be the thing to look for. I believe it points to Ez 38 and in 1 Thes 5 actually is Ez 38 (in my estimation). I would not see "peace and safety" to be a time to look for false peace. But a place for it to show up uniquely. And in my estimation that would be Ez 38.
 
I just believe we are children of the parenthetical age of grace. We were not a part of the 69 weeks and won't be for the 70th. So our tendency to pull the 70th week into the age of grace parenthetical though is off the charts. And in many cases all we see or mostly what we train to see.
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Thanks @Andy C @Greg @Spartan Sprinter

I am honored and blessed it might seem worth decoding. Sorry i did not mean for it to be unclear altogether. My theory on what Trump has interest to do has not changed in a decade. But it certainty has been reasonably challenged even in my own heart. I've often been 30 seconds away from trashing any sense of it.

My Premise...I believe:

THIS IS OUR CONTEXT
1) The world is at war in globalism vs nationalism
2) Every country has a deep state (globalist operatives)
3) American old school regime change was a primary way to install America dollar supporters
4) The value of the overly printed inflated America dollar is in other countries being force to use it
5) The FED is the head of central banking to keep its money printing power afloat in part through regime change

THIS IS MY POINT
A) Since the deep states in countries operate to bring global control to power, they operate as though they were that government -- being a shadow government
B) In America that shadow government rose to become "the government" in Obama who I believe is not even a US Citizen
C) Forces like Islam, North Korea, Iran (those with terror potential) are toys in the political hands of shape shifting a world into globalist control
D) Trump coming into office seems like nationalism still has a chance (although I do tend to doubt this often)
E) Nationalism is how God formed the world
F) A one world government is only a good thing when Christ will reign, its not yet time for that
G) Premature world control is evil
H) Therefore in theory nationalism is good / Globalism is evil

IMMEDIATE CONTEXT
i would see Iran leaders as deep state tools that clearly do not represent the people. But serve to push ww3 for globalist reset purposes. Trump having backchannels, per the articles reflected in this thread, is Trump dealing with entities that more or less represent strands of authentic Iranian real governance. Trump leaves out the EU and Nato-ites because the real players in this are nationalists. Not EU nor NATO neo-cons. What seems to be unfolding in front of our faces is the winning strategies of nationalists vs globalists. But in order to best do so, it will likely take some work to see the true-ist playing pieces from the commonly contrived narratives constructed along the way.

So in that context, Trump seems to be working with players that don't sport news rhetoric. But boringly behind the scenes move actual power levels along. And if that is true (we have yet to see its more profound internal organs functioning well) we will see a dismantling of the deep state. Not America, Israel etc by Iran crushing though Hormuz.

So in general the way i see it is that alliances are shifting to choke out the overall globalist central banking parasite system and form a much more genuine good faith international monetary exchange operation form instead. Granting a taste of what it is like without suffocating all over the place. And "if true," then Trump's back channels (as laid out in this threads articles) would be the more real power broker channels to deal with (being in a sense its own shadow-like government). Yet it is likely the real players who are not central bank operations supporters.

As Iran has posed herself as wanting to annihilate Israel, she is a form of Haman in the book of Esther who wanted to wipe out the Jews. Haman fell in his own traps. So if we see this rhyme in our 21st century play out, we will see Israel become far more powerful. Which to me feeds into the Ez 38 narrative. But that's a different subject. What does seem forming is a potential for Iran bad faith leadership to become Haman and fall. While Israel rises further. Thus the shadow government/Hamman references. It is interesting we can kind of say all that in the same breath...if applicable.

. . . . .

@Spartan Sprinter -- I understand what you are saying. But Trump had been pegged with being an Atomic Bomb pushing maniac who loses his temple too easily. Instead, i think what Trump is like is trying to choke out the globalist beast system in current operation and why all our products at the grocery store keep getting smaller packaging while costing the same (keep the illusion our money is not evaporating right in front of us). We live in a world where real government is a crime syndicate. Destroying economic systems because a country's leaders are insane would be a trap I believe for America. And something else....but please don't throw food...lol. Unless its spaghetti. I'm in the mood for spaghetti.

But I believe it is important on the world stage to see a powerful but caring America. Because I believe we represent the fading age of grace Church age to the world in some respect. I believe that is the overarching narrative we are all trafficking in together. I believe it is as important for America to demonstrate the kindness and patience of the Lord (whether we mean to or not and whether we are believers or not) as it is for international policy to make sense (whether we bomb something or not). I believe it is crucial the US (as hitched at the hip to Israel right now) be seen with some coherent sense of temperance because the left will insist this is regime change 101. Which is a globalist trope. Not a nationalist one. Very delicate political science impressions seem to be in the mix. I don't see Trump as a rep for God. But i do see him as a rep for our age. And ironically that is the church age handing the baton to Israel. That is the narrative i look for God to foment even in the mundane, the casual, the unassuming and yes...even in Trump...lol. Hope that helps. Blessings.
I believe the term you're looking for is "shrinkflation" LOL
 
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