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You're diplomatic Adrian! Love you!
Glad to see you posting as much dear sister.
I hope you are feeling better. You are in my prayers.
Nah, I'm just starting to re think my opposition to that theory as some of it's features have come up lately. As one does with any theory that we don't hold but do consider.Glad to see you posting as much dear sister.
Zak of Prophecy Misfits YT Channel has a view too of Babylon being Iraq re-animated. I never had much interest in that. But his latest on that had me reconsider. Mostly I would see America as Bab the Great. But I also see her as the lion mouth of the beast. So I don't think America could be both...lol. The beast and the one riding the beast too. So it does cause me pause.
On the length of time till rapture, you bring up a good point. If we have to wait out an unfolding golden age, we could be here quite a while. Maybe even 2030 is too soon. Stuff like that sometimes makes me wonder. If the rapture is a ways off, with all the talk today about how America has to collapse for prophecy, it makes me wonder if Rev 12:14 wings of an eagle might be reference to America. I would only think that because there seems to be so much agreed stance on America not being in prophecy. Kind of like it worked on me like reverse psychology. But maybe America is neither part of the beast system or the harlot. Maybe she is just in the background for the ride.
Your comment on America being judged or apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah, yes, see this is the prevailing attitude today in general about America. But the thing that concerns me about such a view (although his point is well taken), is that it is curious how we can tend to blend economies of God together for Him. Like what I mean is that it would seem that Sodom and Gomorrah was judged as a story for Israel (pre-Moses). It was during the patriarchal period I believe. Which judgement there had its sense upon the formation story of Israel. And how did that go? "God if there were x number of people righteous here, would you not destroy it?" America as bad as it is does have a lot of real believers (however small). Certianly more than 10. And yet that nuance to the story is often overlooked. I believe the comparative is the shock that Hagai got when told that Assyria would judge Israel. So just saying. To me it belongs to a different economy of God's movement within dispensations. So I would not really see America as a correlation necessarily.
The other thing about that kind of approach to me is that if we are close to the tribulation, why in the minds of some does America have to be judged separately? Aside from 7 years of massive destruction. Why can't it be judged during the tribulation like other nations will have exposure to? The answer to that to me is also curious. Because it seems that America would be looked upon as such a giant presence in the age of grace, that even though we could say similar things of England or Saudi Arabia or a handful of other countries. Iran, for instance. Even though we could say similar things, it is understandable that the reason why America stands out is because it has a very high profile presence in the age of grace. And it is the testimony of this fact as to why I believe God would use America to actually bless a fading age of grace scenario. It is not commonly viewed like that. But there are mentions of trees branching out providing shade and livelihood for other countries. In some ways Babylon had that. In some ways Rome. But certainly in our era America could be quite a tree branching out for world solace. Ironically.
But aside from all of that, it would of course be interesting to share in your discovery of the 2 natures of America. The vibes I get in general these days seems to be that America to be judged, or if it isn't then it is some mutation nation of deception. That is the vibe that seems to come across my desk mostly. So when there is no room to consider what if God might bless through America, to me, can be a red flag of a blind spot. It certainly resonates that way in the watcher world to me. But nevertheless, I look forward to your discoveries in consideration of how we might learn together. Blessings.
Great answer Margery.Nah, I'm just starting to re think my opposition to that theory as some of it's features have come up lately. As one does with any theory that we don't hold but do consider.
It fits better with the America as golden age before the Rapture scenario better than the doom and gloom then Rapture scenario. As I like to keep an open mind - I am revisiting my objections to that theory to see if they still hold water.
I think in probabilities. Right now at this point - without rehashing what I see as the timeline of events, I still place my usual "America is toast at the Rapture "and "The economy tanks in time for the AC to rise" as being most probable.
But there ARE certain possibilities that have to be considered if Trump is able to win his gamble on destroying the world economy as it is right now, and neatly inserting a fresh new way of doing business with America on the top of things.
I place America as Babylon in position #2, now replacing Rome Italy as Babylon by the Sea which is now my 3rd and final spot in the rankings in my head. (NEOM is an offshoot of Babylon is Babylon theory)
It's kind of like a horse race, I'm still betting on horse #1 Babylon IS Babylon as Andy Woods has so eloquently put it. But I'm looking closely at horse #2, coming around the stretch, making good time and catching up to horse #1. In third place horse #3 who used to be horse #2 is Rome Italy is the Babylon by the Sea that Revelation describes being destroyed with the grief of all the merchants of the world.
Because I'm thinking thru it I cannot argue a position I don't hold yet. Ask me that in 6 months or so.
As I listen a lot to An0maly on YT, its healthy for me I think. He is my sense of Hagelian Dialectic for the most part. And causes me to consider some things afresh. I think it is good to have alternative considerations. I'll try to remember to ask in 6 months. Or maybe the way things go, I won't have to ask...lol. As I see America right now, it does seem we are greatly influenced by Israel. I think the billions we send them each year makes its way back via donations to Trump and other politicians. It's a weird sensation to watch. I think Israel has quite a hold on America. Prophetically perhaps as it should be. Sometimes I wonder if Isreal is not the real super power. And America just a dog she takes for a walk. In that sense, to judge America is to judge Isreal. Perhaps we are her property...lol. Strange days. Mega blessings dear sister. 
