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I don't understand. Just how does that make sense?



But Matthew 12:40 says that they were. What am I missing?
Interesting questions. Thanks for the challenge. I thought to interrupt as well here for a second. Maybe these might be in the neighborhood? Not pretending to answer for Pastor Adrian. But I did have a few extra minutes this morning...blessings.

In regards to Gen 6 and 7, it would appear that the distance in time would have something to do with it. Like God telling Noah before he built the arc what went with all of that. And then 120 years later, refined for tactical accuracy, the at the moment specifics on that. Pulpit Commentary on BibleHub.com puts it this way...

"the obvious answer is, that while in the first communication, which was given 120 years before, when minute instructions were not required, it is simply stated that the animals should be preserved by pairs; in the second, when the ark was finished and the animals were about to be collected, it is added that, in the case of the few clean beasts used for sacrifice, an exception should be made to the general rule, and not one pair, but either three pairs with one over, or seven pairs, should be preserved."

There is some discussion about 7 parts that may or may have to do with this. I am not sure I understand that lol. But in general the sense would be the first time God gave the outline. The second time, he included further detail at the time of entering the arc came, if that makes sense?

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As for the Matt 12:40 passage, that is a sign they would refuse to honor. I would understand that the Pharisees wanted what they wanted. They wanted to be religious leaders. They wanted to tell God how righteous they were. In their flesh they were too prideful to make room for God or His Son. So even though Christ would rise from the dead, somehow they convinced themselves that their religious world mattered more.

Matt 28:12-13

And when they had assembled with the elders and consulted * together, they gave a large sum of money to the soldiers, 13 and said, "You are to say, 'His disciples came by night and stole Him away while we were asleep.

From what I understand when Jesus said to them that the sign of Jonah is given, it would appear what He meant was His resurrection. And since the Pharisees saw themselves as special in God's eyes, they would not take to heart that Jonah did not want Nineveh forgiven (heart's like the Pharisees). Nor should Christ have come for the prostitutes or the sinning Jews. But they saw messiah as an endorsemetn of them. Not salvation to sinning Jews. And certainly not a Gentile Church (which Jonah seemed to infer also from antiquity...that God would show mercy and favor upon gentiles).

So the sign of Jonah would be like saying to them: The man who was mad at God for forgiving sinners. That is your sign. This is the way I take it. I don't think Christ meant the following but in its sarcasim somehow might have. That the sign of Jonah (representing the forgiveness of God) is not a sign they wear around their neck. For they do not know the forgiveness of God. How could they wear it? ? They were handed a sign they could not wear.

But more directly, when the son of man rises from the dead, just like they don't honor Jonah's story from God, neither will they honor Him. And in this the sign given is the one they won't receive. As though no sign had be given. If that makes sense?
 
What they wanted was something "flashy". Something that they would deem a sign.
What they got was "the sign of Jonah". But they wouldn't see that as a sign.
So, I wonder why the Messiah gave them that sign if He knew they wouldn't accept it as a sign? Why not just stick with His Mark 8:12 statement where He says that He wasn't going to give them a sign?

I don't know why I keep doing this since it's apparent that I'm just not good at it - not articulate enough to express myself. Folks think that they're being responsive to my posts, and I don't see that they are. So, I shall move on from this forum and not take up any more bandwidth; except maybe for looking in from time to time to see if anyone has provided examples in reply to my "Common Figure of Speech/Colloquialism?" topic.
 
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So, I wonder why the Messiah gave them that sign if He knew they wouldn't accept it as a sign? Why not just stick with His Mark 8:12 statement where He says that He wasn't going to give them a sign?

Look, it's apparent that I'm just not good at this - not articulate enough to express myself. Folks think that they're being responsive to my posts, and I don't see that they are. So, I shall move on from this forum and not take up any more bandwidth; except maybe for looking in from time to time to see if anyone has provided examples in reply to my "Common Figure of Speech/Colloquialism?" topic.
That's the point. They did not want the sign. LIke He gives salvation to all. Few receive it. So why did He give them salvation if He knew they would not take it? I guess because He is more loving and caring than us. So as to offer because a majestic heart, offers? lol. Thanks for stopping by. Hope to see you around. Blessingss.

Also -- Christ did what you are doing. Partaking in the arena of common figure speech/colloquialism. It was a figure of speech. He created language. So sarcasm is language. It was sarcasm. But being God Himself in human flesh it was probably also a testimony for Pharisees who later would believe. And THEY would see it as a sign. So if you are not believing you a) don't get a sign or b) even if you got one later you still didn't because you didn't believe Jesus was God.

The point is not the sign. The point is who they refused to believe Christ was. That is the common speech colloquilism friend.
 
I don't understand. Just how does that make sense?
I think Kaatje has explained it well. And so has TCC.

Basically Jesus was saying that if you won't believe the evidence of your own eyes, I'm not going to do something special just for you. I give the signs for everyone. Either you choose to believe or you choose not to.

But Matthew 12:40 says that they were. What am I missing?
It wasn't given specially for them. It was given to all people, just as all of Christ's miracles were. Nothing was given specially to the Pharisees. They had the evidence of their own eyes for 3 and 1/2 years and, rather than accept that Jesus was Messiah because He did everything that Messiah was forecast to do, they used His miracles to try to find ways in which they could trap Him, imprison Him and eliminate Him. Things have not changed today. Rather than accept that Jesus is Messiah, people will try to find every excuse not to believe what they don't really want to believe. So sad. Salvation and all of its eternal benefits are right at their fingertips, but they would rather try to find reasons not to accept it. It may seem like an interesting intellectual exercise here in this life, but in the context of the eternal it is tragic. God is not mocked.
 
I think Kaatje has explained it well. And so has TCC.

Basically Jesus was saying that if you won't believe the evidence of your own eyes, I'm not going to do something special just for you. I give the signs for everyone. Either you choose to believe or you choose not to.


It wasn't given specially for them. It was given to all people, just as all of Christ's miracles were. Nothing was given specially to the Pharisees. They had the evidence of their own eyes for 3 and 1/2 years and, rather than accept that Jesus was Messiah because He did everything that Messiah was forecast to do, they used His miracles to try to find ways in which they could trap Him, imprison Him and eliminate Him. Things have not changed today. Rather than accept that Jesus is Messiah, people will try to find every excuse not to believe what they don't really want to believe. So sad. Salvation and all of its eternal benefits are right at their fingertips, but they would rather try to find reasons not to accept it. It may seem like an interesting intellectual exercise here in this life, but in the context of the eternal it is tragic. God is not mocked.
Now THAT is a top shelf answer. We saved the best for last :)

@rstrats I hope you stuck around for Pastor Adrian's answer. I think that makes sense though, no? Blessings.
 
I thought to interrupt as well here for a second.
But I did have a few extra minutes this morning...blessings.

Wow, so you tell me my brother, that you write those enormous posts all over the boards in just a matter of minutes?
Why, I sometimes need hours to read them! (And my much smaller writings take much more time too...)

Sorry, just funning. *maisey* Love you brother, you know that.
 
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