Iranian missiles are loaded onto launchers in all underground missile cities and are ready for launch

[Margery]

Yeah i'm sorta leaning the same way too to be honest,

I read on fb that the evangelical circle and Bill Koenig are getting up Trump for how he's treating Israel and that things may not look so sunny for him if he continues his rhetoric.

It's actually worrying me a bit.

Trump is flip flopping around with the stock markets- some sources are now accusing him with insider trading based on his tweet or whatever those are now, that it was time to buy an hour before he sent stocks careening up by announcing a pause. (No pause on Canada btw- I guess we didn't kiss up -he put it much more crudely--referring to the 70 or so nations lining up to kiss.. um, his "ring"), All normal practice for Trump's White House it seems, and the markets are down again. A few dead cat bounces as they call those sudden spikes- doesn't mean a healthy stock market. The bottom feeders scoop up the deals, driving things back up briefly. Even if it goes up, it's going up and down like a roller coaster ride. Volatile. And the bond markets seem to be doing something strange.

BUT

at LEAST he seemed to be ready to do something good for Israel, who dropped ALL their tariffs before Trump's big tariff the world announcement, then Bibi gets there, and it's crickets. At best they are still paying the baseline 10% tariff even with this pause, IF their tariffs are paused.

Instead of going ahead, dealing with Iran, maybe DROPPING the tariffs on Israel as a sign of good faith and here's how you bargain with the US guys...crickets.

The US keeps it's 15% or 17% whatever.... still on Israel so Bibi didn't get anything of substance by running to Trump's side.

and Trump goes on about how great everything is, and how he's negotiating with Iran ...

And I saw a kind of frozen smile on Bibi's face- his face suddenly looked frozen when that gets mentioned. He's smiling all right, playing his part beside Trump, playing along but his face- something about his eyes. A normal smiling face the eyes and face move a little, but this was the frozen poker player look, everything is stiffly controlled to maintain that same smile before he controlled it and loosened his face up. He knew about it, this isn't shock on his face, this is controlling his face like a poker player because he HAS to for the sake of Israel.

And that Israeli channel I mentioned above did a great job of pointing all the odd bits out.

Then I just tuned into a talk between Olivier Melnick and John Haller, and this is the subject...that weird meeting between Trump and Netanyahu. Trump called him away from a State visit to Hungary in which some important Israel stuff was going on, Hungary siding with Israel, dropping out of the ICC court etc.

Like a dog whistle, Bibi is commanded to drop everything and attend Trump's command in Washington. If Trump had something good for Bibi, he's all ready to go and oblige his friend in Washington.

This isn't sitting well with the Israeli media and it doesn't look good to me.

I didn't check Bill Koenig, but now you say he's not happy either. This isn't going to end well.

Here's the Israel news channel again so you can watch closely - YouTube

and here's Olivier Melnick and John Haller.

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.

youtu.be

and the topic under discussion is how this affects GOG MAGOG!!!
So I figured I'd put this in here when I saw your reply because it's going sideways and things could get "interesting" pretty quick, if Israel is getting shafted.

 

[Spartan Sprinter]

It's actually worrying me a bit.

Trump is flip flopping around with the stock markets- some sources are now accusing him with insider trading based on his tweet or whatever those are now, that it was time to buy an hour before he sent stocks careening up by announcing a pause. (No pause on Canada btw- I guess we didn't kiss up -he put it much more crudely--referring to the 70 or so nations lining up to kiss.. um, his "ring"), All normal practice for Trump's White House it seems, and the markets are down again. A few dead cat bounces as they call those sudden spikes- doesn't mean a healthy stock market. The bottom feeders scoop up the deals, driving things back up briefly. Even if it goes up, it's going up and down like a roller coaster ride. Volatile. And the bond markets seem to be doing something strange.

BUT

at LEAST he seemed to be ready to do something good for Israel, who dropped ALL their tariffs before Trump's big tariff the world announcement, then Bibi gets there, and it's crickets. At best they are still paying the baseline 10% tariff even with this pause, IF their tariffs are paused.

Instead of going ahead, dealing with Iran, maybe DROPPING the tariffs on Israel as a sign of good faith and here's how you bargain with the US guys...crickets.

The US keeps it's 15% or 17% whatever.... still on Israel so Bibi didn't get anything of substance by running to Trump's side.

and Trump goes on about how great everything is, and how he's negotiating with Iran ...

And I saw a kind of frozen smile on Bibi's face- his face suddenly looked frozen when that gets mentioned. He's smiling all right, playing his part beside Trump, playing along but his face- something about his eyes. A normal smiling face the eyes and face move a little, but this was the frozen poker player look, everything is stiffly controlled to maintain that same smile before he controlled it and loosened his face up. He knew about it, this isn't shock on his face, this is controlling his face like a poker player because he HAS to for the sake of Israel.

And that Israeli channel I mentioned above did a great job of pointing all the odd bits out.

Then I just tuned into a talk between Olivier Melnick and John Haller, and this is the subject...that weird meeting between Trump and Netanyahu. Trump called him away from a State visit to Hungary in which some important Israel stuff was going on, Hungary siding with Israel, dropping out of the ICC court etc.

Like a dog whistle, Bibi is commanded to drop everything and attend Trump's command in Washington. If Trump had something good for Bibi, he's all ready to go and oblige his friend in Washington.

This isn't sitting well with the Israeli media and it doesn't look good to me.

I didn't check Bill Koenig, but now you say he's not happy either. This isn't going to end well.

Here's the Israel news channel again so you can watch closely - YouTube

and here's Olivier Melnick and John Haller.

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.

youtu.be

and the topic under discussion is how this affects GOG MAGOG!!!
So I figured I'd put this in here when I saw your reply because it's going sideways and things could get "interesting" pretty quick, if Israel is getting shafted.

I wish the snip tool i have would function on this forum , otherwise i coulda snipped that fb article and posted it here.

Your right about Bibi, he wasn't his normal confident self and seemed very rattled as trump is pretty much negotiating everything as a deal to their enemies such as Turkey.

I'm just hoping all these increased natural disasters that we're seeing on the news in relation to America isn't a direct warning from God to Trump to sorta calm his farm and be a bit more friendlier than he is towards israel

 

[Spartan Sprinter]

It's actually worrying me a bit.

Trump is flip flopping around with the stock markets- some sources are now accusing him with insider trading based on his tweet or whatever those are now, that it was time to buy an hour before he sent stocks careening up by announcing a pause. (No pause on Canada btw- I guess we didn't kiss up -he put it much more crudely--referring to the 70 or so nations lining up to kiss.. um, his "ring"), All normal practice for Trump's White House it seems, and the markets are down again. A few dead cat bounces as they call those sudden spikes- doesn't mean a healthy stock market. The bottom feeders scoop up the deals, driving things back up briefly. Even if it goes up, it's going up and down like a roller coaster ride. Volatile. And the bond markets seem to be doing something strange.

BUT

at LEAST he seemed to be ready to do something good for Israel, who dropped ALL their tariffs before Trump's big tariff the world announcement, then Bibi gets there, and it's crickets. At best they are still paying the baseline 10% tariff even with this pause, IF their tariffs are paused.

Instead of going ahead, dealing with Iran, maybe DROPPING the tariffs on Israel as a sign of good faith and here's how you bargain with the US guys...crickets.

The US keeps it's 15% or 17% whatever.... still on Israel so Bibi didn't get anything of substance by running to Trump's side.

and Trump goes on about how great everything is, and how he's negotiating with Iran ...

And I saw a kind of frozen smile on Bibi's face- his face suddenly looked frozen when that gets mentioned. He's smiling all right, playing his part beside Trump, playing along but his face- something about his eyes. A normal smiling face the eyes and face move a little, but this was the frozen poker player look, everything is stiffly controlled to maintain that same smile before he controlled it and loosened his face up. He knew about it, this isn't shock on his face, this is controlling his face like a poker player because he HAS to for the sake of Israel.

And that Israeli channel I mentioned above did a great job of pointing all the odd bits out.

Then I just tuned into a talk between Olivier Melnick and John Haller, and this is the subject...that weird meeting between Trump and Netanyahu. Trump called him away from a State visit to Hungary in which some important Israel stuff was going on, Hungary siding with Israel, dropping out of the ICC court etc.

Like a dog whistle, Bibi is commanded to drop everything and attend Trump's command in Washington. If Trump had something good for Bibi, he's all ready to go and oblige his friend in Washington.

This isn't sitting well with the Israeli media and it doesn't look good to me.

I didn't check Bill Koenig, but now you say he's not happy either. This isn't going to end well.

Here's the Israel news channel again so you can watch closely - YouTube

and here's Olivier Melnick and John Haller.

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.

youtu.be

and the topic under discussion is how this affects GOG MAGOG!!!
So I figured I'd put this in here when I saw your reply because it's going sideways and things could get "interesting" pretty quick, if Israel is getting shafted.

Oh i found it , on the prophecy watchers group on FB:

"

Prophecy Watchers​

Yesterday at 1:16 AM ·

I wish President Trump had better spiritual advisors who actually understood Bible prophecy. Gary Stearman and Mondo Gonzales are available. Here's a note from Bill Koenig's wife Tania on yesterday's meeting between President Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu. You can find Bill and Tania's website at www.watch.org
A moment meant to showcase U.S. – Israel unity instead raised deep spiritual concerns about shifting from biblical covenant to political calculation.
April 8, 2025
By Tania Koenig
WASHINGTON, D.C. — The April 2025 Oval Office press conference between U.S. President Donald Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has stirred significant concern among faith-based and pro-Israel communities, revealing what many observers consider a shift in tone from a historically covenant-based alliance to a more transactional relationship.
According to coverage from The Jerusalem Post, President Trump used the platform to emphasize American financial aid to Israel, saying, “We give Israel $4 billion a year. That’s a lot.” He followed this with praise for Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and an unexpected announcement of direct talks with Iran, catching many in the Israeli delegation off guard.
Observers noted that throughout the meeting, Trump adopted a dominant tone, often relegating Netanyahu to a more passive role. When pressed on the issue of U.S. trade tariffs on Israeli goods, Trump responded, “Maybe yes, maybe no,” justifying his stance by reiterating the extent of U.S. aid.
Trump’s comments sparked criticism among those who view the U.S.–Israel relationship as a spiritual covenant rather than a political transaction. The declaration of direct talks with Iran — long considered an existential threat by Israel — and effusive praise for Erdoğan, a frequent critic of Israel, further fueled tensions.
Netanyahu, often a commanding presence, appeared visibly uncomfortable during the press conference. At multiple points, he offered polite nods and minimal pushback, even when Trump’s remarks ran counter to Israel’s stated positions. Israeli media later described the visit as a disappointment, with The Jerusalem Post noting that Netanyahu left Washington without securing any concrete concessions, particularly on the pressing issue of U.S. tariffs.
Spiritual leaders and pro-Israel advocates responded with alarm, citing Genesis 12:3: “I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse.” For decades, this verse has been a cornerstone for those who believe America’s blessing is tied to its unwavering support for Israel. Trump’s language, they argue, risks reducing this sacred alliance to a line item in a budget.
David Friedman, former U.S. Ambassador to Israel, and others have long warned against treating Israel like a transactional partner. Bill Koenig, author of Eye to Eye: Facing the Consequences of Dividing Israel, has similarly documented how U.S. leaders who pressure or undermine Israel have often faced immediate national disasters or crises. Both Friedman and Koenig emphasize that reducing the covenantal bond with Israel to a political bargain invites serious consequences. Critics worry that this transactional framing could open the door to conditional support and strained ties, particularly if future policy decisions prioritize short-term gains over long-standing commitments.
“There is one Jewish state. There are 57 Muslim states. The land of Israel is not a negotiating chip. It is the inheritance of the Jewish people.” — David Friedman, One Jewish State
As both countries navigate the aftermath of the meeting, questions remain about whether this shift in tone signals a temporary recalibration or a deeper realignment. For many in the Christian and Jewish communities, the concern is not only geopolitical but spiritual — a test of whether America will continue to stand with Israel out of conviction, or merely convenience."

 

[mattfivefour]

There is one Jewish state. There are 57 Muslim states. The land of Israel is not a negotiating chip. It is the inheritance of the Jewish people.

Amen!!!

 

[Margery]

Oh i found it , on the prophecy watchers group on FB:

"

Prophecy Watchers​

Yesterday at 1:16 AM ·

I wish President Trump had better spiritual advisors who actually understood Bible prophecy. Gary Stearman and Mondo Gonzales are available. Here's a note from Bill Koenig's wife Tania on yesterday's meeting between President Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu. You can find Bill and Tania's website at www.watch.org
A moment meant to showcase U.S. – Israel unity instead raised deep spiritual concerns about shifting from biblical covenant to political calculation.
April 8, 2025
By Tania Koenig
WASHINGTON, D.C. — The April 2025 Oval Office press conference between U.S. President Donald Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has stirred significant concern among faith-based and pro-Israel communities, revealing what many observers consider a shift in tone from a historically covenant-based alliance to a more transactional relationship.
According to coverage from The Jerusalem Post, President Trump used the platform to emphasize American financial aid to Israel, saying, “We give Israel $4 billion a year. That’s a lot.” He followed this with praise for Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and an unexpected announcement of direct talks with Iran, catching many in the Israeli delegation off guard.
Observers noted that throughout the meeting, Trump adopted a dominant tone, often relegating Netanyahu to a more passive role. When pressed on the issue of U.S. trade tariffs on Israeli goods, Trump responded, “Maybe yes, maybe no,” justifying his stance by reiterating the extent of U.S. aid.
Trump’s comments sparked criticism among those who view the U.S.–Israel relationship as a spiritual covenant rather than a political transaction. The declaration of direct talks with Iran — long considered an existential threat by Israel — and effusive praise for Erdoğan, a frequent critic of Israel, further fueled tensions.
Netanyahu, often a commanding presence, appeared visibly uncomfortable during the press conference. At multiple points, he offered polite nods and minimal pushback, even when Trump’s remarks ran counter to Israel’s stated positions. Israeli media later described the visit as a disappointment, with The Jerusalem Post noting that Netanyahu left Washington without securing any concrete concessions, particularly on the pressing issue of U.S. tariffs.
Spiritual leaders and pro-Israel advocates responded with alarm, citing Genesis 12:3: “I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse.” For decades, this verse has been a cornerstone for those who believe America’s blessing is tied to its unwavering support for Israel. Trump’s language, they argue, risks reducing this sacred alliance to a line item in a budget.
David Friedman, former U.S. Ambassador to Israel, and others have long warned against treating Israel like a transactional partner. Bill Koenig, author of Eye to Eye: Facing the Consequences of Dividing Israel, has similarly documented how U.S. leaders who pressure or undermine Israel have often faced immediate national disasters or crises. Both Friedman and Koenig emphasize that reducing the covenantal bond with Israel to a political bargain invites serious consequences. Critics worry that this transactional framing could open the door to conditional support and strained ties, particularly if future policy decisions prioritize short-term gains over long-standing commitments.
“There is one Jewish state. There are 57 Muslim states. The land of Israel is not a negotiating chip. It is the inheritance of the Jewish people.” — David Friedman, One Jewish State
As both countries navigate the aftermath of the meeting, questions remain about whether this shift in tone signals a temporary recalibration or a deeper realignment. For many in the Christian and Jewish communities, the concern is not only geopolitical but spiritual — a test of whether America will continue to stand with Israel out of conviction, or merely convenience."

OH THANK YOU!!! That is a VERY well outlined post by Bill Koenig's wife speaking for them both.

According to coverage from The Jerusalem Post, President Trump used the platform to emphasize American financial aid to Israel, saying, “We give Israel $4 billion a year. That’s a lot.” He followed this with praise for Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and an unexpected announcement of direct talks with Iran, catching many in the Israeli delegation off guard.

Turkey! I was so shocked I didn't see that.

Trump’s comments sparked criticism among those who view the U.S.–Israel relationship as a spiritual covenant rather than a political transaction. The declaration of direct talks with Iran — long considered an existential threat by Israel — and effusive praise for Erdoğan, a frequent critic of Israel, further fueled tensions.

and this is what concerned me. He had no choice but to nod and agree- but it's concerning that he was forced to do that going against his long stated positions.

Netanyahu, often a commanding presence, appeared visibly uncomfortable during the press conference. At multiple points, he offered polite nods and minimal pushback, even when Trump’s remarks ran counter to Israel’s stated positions.

Maybe as the article finished, it's just a temporary thing, but if this is a permanent change in the tone between the US and Israel, this is a problem for the US.

“There is one Jewish state. There are 57 Muslim states. The land of Israel is not a negotiating chip. It is the inheritance of the Jewish people.” — David Friedman, One Jewish State
As both countries navigate the aftermath of the meeting, questions remain about whether this shift in tone signals a temporary recalibration or a deeper realignment.

PRAY!