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Essenes Predict 2025 ? The Final Age As Apophis Approaches ? / Tom Horn / Ken Johnson
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Spartan Sprinter
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I enjoy listenimg to Ken and Josh talk about the Essenes and their accuracy about predicting prophecy.
My only gripe is how the Essenes picked for an early rapture in 2025 or shortly after but also stated tye end of time roundly around 2065 ad?????
My only gripe is how the Essenes picked for an early rapture in 2025 or shortly after but also stated tye end of time roundly around 2065 ad?????
Yeah, the Essene stuff is very fluid. It might be 2025 or anytime upwards for another 40 plus years. I forget their absolute end zone but it's fun to listen to. Ken is far more conservative than Tom, and in his teachings on the Essene Dead Sea Scrolls he makes it clear that the Essene's view covered a LOT of time before the actual end of the age. Ken sometimes drives people nuts by saying things that back up much later dates for the Rapture.
As for Apophis- for those unaware, Tom Horn had a dream about an asteroid hitting earth. The details are in his book but the year of the asteroid he thought was the one (Apophis) is April of 2029 which Tom thought might correlate with Wormwood arriving approximately in the middle of the Tribulation. But that is contingent on us being out of here and the Tribulation starting in the late fall of 2025.
So if that doesn't happen on schedule, Tom's calculations are out.
Nasa has said that Apophis is a NEO or near Earth Object, and they did send up a probe called Artemis to have a better look. (Don't quote me on this, I'm going by memory, I read the book a couple of years ago when it came out)
Some scientists say it's a possibility and a few are quite worried, others who draw their paycheques from NASA are saying it will completely miss Earth although they do agree its' a close flyby, but nobody can predict whether some other object will bump into Apophis and send it on a collision with Earth. Tom has the details in his book.
Tom liked to point at his accuracy over the Pope thing, but he's not always accurate. He's fun to listen to, and his ideas are interesting though. He might be right, he might not. Tom was always pretty good about reminding people he's human though.
Spartan Sprinter
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Yeah i agree, Tom' a good story teller and fun to listen to but as you say you also have to take what he said with a grain of salt.
God bless him anyway now that he's with the Lord
Apophis was the name of the ancient Egyptian god of chaos and destruction. If the asteroid does not change course it will pass within 18,000 mi of the Earth, which is closer to Earth than our geostationary satellites! Certainly too close for comfort, because if it were to hit, the devastation would be unbelievable. But that is in God's hands and not anything we need to worry about. I believe we will be long gone by then.
DART is the program I was thinking of in relation to Apophis: Double Asteroid Redirection Test (DART) - NASA Science NOT Artemis. DART. NASA and JPL sent DART up in 2021
What DART did (it's explained more fully in the link) is to see if they could alter the path of an asteroid. They picked an asteroid with a tiny moonlet orbiting it, and blasted at the moonlet, disturbing it's orbit.
It's like billiards. (Pool- that game on a felt table with balls and a stick and pockets on the side) Only just as in the game of pool or billiards, sometimes you start a chain reaction with unexpected results.
According to JPL all went according to plan and we are in no danger. (my question, if it hadn't gone according to plan would we even know that it hadn't??? Until something like a stray asteroid landed on someones front lawn?)
There are a gazillion objects flapping around the asteroid belt, and some weird stuff flies thru that every once in a while. Take an unpredictable object going for a unexpected detour thru our solar system, right thru the asteroid belt and imagine the asteroid belt as a bunch of billiard balls. One or two hits later, the asteroids that we count on to have stable orbits are suddenly careening all over hitting other asteroids. And a few of them could potentially alter enough that they go from a safe Near Earth pass to a collision.
Like this incident NASA Researchers Discover More Dark Comets named Oumuamua which came from outside the solar system, and didn't behave "normally". So it was unpredictable. That was in November of 2017. Thankfully it didn't do any damage to orbits on the way thru.
They must have been fairly concerned to spend all that money to launch DART and risk setting off one of these chain reactions. But they didn't do it because of Tom's books. They were FOCUSED ON APOPHIS BEFORE THAT!!!!
It's worthwhile taking a look at a timeline of events
November 2017: Oumuamua blows thru the neighbourhood, startling astronomers. Apparently not an asteroid, this thing is from beyond our solar system. It just hurtled by, catching everyone by surprise.
April 2019:
FEMA works with NASA, JPL and other International Partners to plan an exercise April 24 of 2019 as detailed here: NASA, FEMA, International Partners Plan Asteroid Impact Exercise and WHAT A COINCIDENCE, they USE APOPHIS as the focal point of this disaster plan rehearsal.
This is the very month Tom woke up from his dream about Apophis, and started writing his first book on the subject.
Now THAT should make us all feel better knowing that FEMA was involved with Apophis - LONG BEFORE NASA got worried enough to launch DART, and tell us all how safe we are from Apophis. And LONG BEFORE TOM publishes his book. Around the time Tom has the dream that he thinks God sent him.
Some of us recall that just such a role play was set up before Covid happened. Govts do that sort of thing all the time when they expect a disaster down the road a bit. The Covid rehearsal was a little too close for comfort, and seemed to imply some knowledge about what would happen. For some reason NASA and JPL are focused on Apophis for their disaster scenario.
So Tom Horn wakes up from a disturbing dream that same month feeling like writing a disturbing book, that disturbed NASA a fair bit. And they went out of their way to respond to everyone's concerns- publishing many articles explaining how Apophis WON'T hit earth.
Except that they were focused on it before Tom's dream! Before his book got started. That is a very interesting detail. They were focused ON APOPHIS and made it the centre of their FEMA Exercise!!!
Then
2021 DART goes up and pops off something to knock the moonlet out of orbit around it's bigger asteroid twin. That could have gone horribly wrong. And it was a LOT of money but they have been talking about NEOs or Near Earth Objects for some time so maybe. But 2019 they are focused hard on Apophis, and then look at this next coincidence. I'm just pointing out they are focused on Apophis long before Tom writes his book and then....
2022
THEN Apophis was used in 2022 (a year after DART went up in 2021) for another planetary disaster response. Planetary Defense Exercise Uses Apophis as Hazardous Asteroid Stand-In as a harmless stand in for a "real" threat.
Oh LOOK at that, another exercise in planetary disaster response! Gee what a coincidence, Apophis is the star of this show too!!!
It's certainly an interesting set of circumstances.
What DART did (it's explained more fully in the link) is to see if they could alter the path of an asteroid. They picked an asteroid with a tiny moonlet orbiting it, and blasted at the moonlet, disturbing it's orbit.
It's like billiards. (Pool- that game on a felt table with balls and a stick and pockets on the side) Only just as in the game of pool or billiards, sometimes you start a chain reaction with unexpected results.
According to JPL all went according to plan and we are in no danger. (my question, if it hadn't gone according to plan would we even know that it hadn't??? Until something like a stray asteroid landed on someones front lawn?)
There are a gazillion objects flapping around the asteroid belt, and some weird stuff flies thru that every once in a while. Take an unpredictable object going for a unexpected detour thru our solar system, right thru the asteroid belt and imagine the asteroid belt as a bunch of billiard balls. One or two hits later, the asteroids that we count on to have stable orbits are suddenly careening all over hitting other asteroids. And a few of them could potentially alter enough that they go from a safe Near Earth pass to a collision.
Like this incident NASA Researchers Discover More Dark Comets named Oumuamua which came from outside the solar system, and didn't behave "normally". So it was unpredictable. That was in November of 2017. Thankfully it didn't do any damage to orbits on the way thru.
They must have been fairly concerned to spend all that money to launch DART and risk setting off one of these chain reactions. But they didn't do it because of Tom's books. They were FOCUSED ON APOPHIS BEFORE THAT!!!!
It's worthwhile taking a look at a timeline of events
November 2017: Oumuamua blows thru the neighbourhood, startling astronomers. Apparently not an asteroid, this thing is from beyond our solar system. It just hurtled by, catching everyone by surprise.
April 2019:
FEMA works with NASA, JPL and other International Partners to plan an exercise April 24 of 2019 as detailed here: NASA, FEMA, International Partners Plan Asteroid Impact Exercise and WHAT A COINCIDENCE, they USE APOPHIS as the focal point of this disaster plan rehearsal.
This is the very month Tom woke up from his dream about Apophis, and started writing his first book on the subject.
Now THAT should make us all feel better knowing that FEMA was involved with Apophis - LONG BEFORE NASA got worried enough to launch DART, and tell us all how safe we are from Apophis. And LONG BEFORE TOM publishes his book. Around the time Tom has the dream that he thinks God sent him.
Some of us recall that just such a role play was set up before Covid happened. Govts do that sort of thing all the time when they expect a disaster down the road a bit. The Covid rehearsal was a little too close for comfort, and seemed to imply some knowledge about what would happen. For some reason NASA and JPL are focused on Apophis for their disaster scenario.
So Tom Horn wakes up from a disturbing dream that same month feeling like writing a disturbing book, that disturbed NASA a fair bit. And they went out of their way to respond to everyone's concerns- publishing many articles explaining how Apophis WON'T hit earth.
Except that they were focused on it before Tom's dream! Before his book got started. That is a very interesting detail. They were focused ON APOPHIS and made it the centre of their FEMA Exercise!!!
Then
2021 DART goes up and pops off something to knock the moonlet out of orbit around it's bigger asteroid twin. That could have gone horribly wrong. And it was a LOT of money but they have been talking about NEOs or Near Earth Objects for some time so maybe. But 2019 they are focused hard on Apophis, and then look at this next coincidence. I'm just pointing out they are focused on Apophis long before Tom writes his book and then....
2022
THEN Apophis was used in 2022 (a year after DART went up in 2021) for another planetary disaster response. Planetary Defense Exercise Uses Apophis as Hazardous Asteroid Stand-In as a harmless stand in for a "real" threat.
Oh LOOK at that, another exercise in planetary disaster response! Gee what a coincidence, Apophis is the star of this show too!!!
It's certainly an interesting set of circumstances.
All that said, God is fully in charge and in control. If as Tom speculates this is related to the arrival of Wormwood at the midpoint of the Tribulation there are several possible fly bys of Apophis to pick from. It seems by the frantic plans of NASA and JPL, that Satan might be worried about Apophis too.
Josh Peck and Ken Johnson discuss all the potential collisions with Apophis here - YouTube along with a lot of other things.
They get into the interesting prophecy in one Dead Sea Scroll that places the Messiah coming and dying for the sins of the people in AD 32 or 33. And the Essenes concept of the end of this age stretching out as far as 2075. I think they said it was the Melchizedek fragment.
Josh Peck and Ken Johnson discuss all the potential collisions with Apophis here - YouTube along with a lot of other things.
They get into the interesting prophecy in one Dead Sea Scroll that places the Messiah coming and dying for the sins of the people in AD 32 or 33. And the Essenes concept of the end of this age stretching out as far as 2075. I think they said it was the Melchizedek fragment.
The Ken Johnson video in which he reveals that the Dead Sea scroll 11Q13 says Messiah would die for Israel's sins in 32 AD and ties it to Daniels 70 weeks is this one--
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Nobody can claim that the idea Messiah would come and die for sins in 32 AD was a Christian concept, because this scroll was written 100 years before Christ! It just blows me away to know how much this sect understood about Messiah. And also how it lends support to all of Paul's teachings. There is little theology that he taught that is not also found in some form in the Dead Sea scroll writings!
Sadly, along with all the other scrolls, the prophecies in this particular scroll were hidden away from anybody who was not part of this sect and when the sect was wiped out during Titus's war on Israel and his seige of Jerusalem in 68-70 AD, their teachings lay hidden in caves until 1947, just before Israel became a nation again.
These scrolls are a valuable resource for people who want even more proof of the divine nature of our New Testament, for they lend even more support to what the NT teaches. Now, the Essenes did not understand everything. For example they believed there would be at least two Messiahs: one who would die for our sins and another who would come and rule the world from David's throne. It did not occur to them that he could be the same person ... which of course we know it is. But nevertheless, with the knowledge we already possess, many of these prophetic scrolls are very much worth the study.
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Nobody can claim that the idea Messiah would come and die for sins in 32 AD was a Christian concept, because this scroll was written 100 years before Christ! It just blows me away to know how much this sect understood about Messiah. And also how it lends support to all of Paul's teachings. There is little theology that he taught that is not also found in some form in the Dead Sea scroll writings!
Sadly, along with all the other scrolls, the prophecies in this particular scroll were hidden away from anybody who was not part of this sect and when the sect was wiped out during Titus's war on Israel and his seige of Jerusalem in 68-70 AD, their teachings lay hidden in caves until 1947, just before Israel became a nation again.
These scrolls are a valuable resource for people who want even more proof of the divine nature of our New Testament, for they lend even more support to what the NT teaches. Now, the Essenes did not understand everything. For example they believed there would be at least two Messiahs: one who would die for our sins and another who would come and rule the world from David's throne. It did not occur to them that he could be the same person ... which of course we know it is. But nevertheless, with the knowledge we already possess, many of these prophetic scrolls are very much worth the study.
Hol
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Thank you for this! I’m new to Ken Johnson.
This Christmas season I have focused on Simeon who recognized the infant Jesus as the fulfillment of hope of Israel. How did both he and the prophetess Anna know that? It is possibly from the Essenes. (In the back of my mind for years I’ve wondered if John the Baptist wasn’t of the Essenes?)
It’s also important to recognize the year of Jubilee coming in March 2025. Just think of the judgement on Israel during Jeremiah, Daniel, and Ezekiel’s day and eventual destruction of Solomon’s temple. It was Jeremiah who gave the prophesy that it was 70-yrs in exile due to Israel ignoring the command to rest the land every seven years. That command to trust God for provision every sixth year and give the land rest, ties indirectly into the year of Jubilee.
There are so many principles about the nature of God in what the Essenes focused on; mankind’s need for forgiveness, our failure to trust God the ‘6th year,’ our failure to fully enact the Jubilee principal…
Amazing insights.
A related question I have about the second Temple (Ezra, Zerubbabel). Did God’s Holy Spirit indwell that Temple? I recall that Ezekiel was shown that God abandoned Solomon’s Temple (EZ. 10:18?), but did God abide in the second Temple (later known as Herod’s temple)?
Spartan Sprinter
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Spartan Sprinter
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I heard in one of their video's (Ken and Josh) that as soon as the Essenes correctly identified Jesus as messiah they immediately began to evangelize or give testiminy of who Jesus was.The Ken Johnson video in which he reveals that the Dead Sea scroll 11Q13 says Messiah would die for Israel's sins in 32 AD and ties it to Daniels 70 weeks is this one--
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Nobody can claim that the idea Messiah would come and die for sins in 32 AD was a Christian concept, because this scroll was written 100 years before Christ! It just blows me away to know how much this sect understood about Messiah. And also how it lends support to all of Paul's teachings. There is little theology that he taught that is not also found in some form in the Dead Sea scroll writings!
Sadly, along with all the other scrolls, the prophecies in this particular scroll were hidden away from anybody who was not part of this sect and when the sect was wiped out during Titus's war on Israel and his seige of Jerusalem in 68-70 AD, their teachings lay hidden in caves until 1947, just before Israel became a nation again.
These scrolls are a valuable resource for people who want even more proof of the divine nature of our New Testament, for they lend even more support to what the NT teaches. Now, the Essenes did not understand everything. For example they believed there would be at least two Messiahs: one who would die for our sins and another who would come and rule the world from David's throne. It did not occur to them that he could be the same person ... which of course we know it is. But nevertheless, with the knowledge we already possess, many of these prophetic scrolls are very much worth the study.
Hol, I can't pinpoint when exactly Ken brought out the business of John the Baptist as an Essene but the fact is, when John sent word to Jesus asking if He WAS the Messiah or should John and the others expect someone else
Jesus answered him with several prophecies in the Bible and one (can't remember now which) that ISN"T in the Bible But IS IN THE ESSENE writings that contained specific prophecies. Maybe Adrian remembers @mattfivefour
Then Paul pops out with some very Essene wording in spots.
Ken tends to talk a bit about that as it comes up. Josh Peck has worked with Ken- they have a similar interest in the Essenes, and he helped with the Essene Calendar stuff. Which has slightly different dates (not off by more than a few days) for the Essene vs the Pharisee dates of Passover for example.
Andy C
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Are the Essenes listed or referred to anywhere in the Bible?
No not by name. But the lineage of John the Baptist does link him to the Essenes- his father was listed in line of succession as the leader over in Qumran (they had Levitical priests who led their group) and the way he dressed, his diet and the area he was baptizing in. So it depends on how you would consider them as listed or referred to. But technically speaking no, not by name anyway.
The Essenes referred to themselves as "The Way" and also as "The Children of Light" while the Pharisees were the children of darkness.
Paul speaks to Christians "ye are the children of Light in Eph 5:8 and 1Thess 5:5 and again Jesus uses that term in John 12:36
When Paul refers to The Way, this may well reflect the Essenes acceptance of Christ as their Messiah. They do disappear around the time Christianity begins. They BOTH refer to themselves as The Way as seen in the following:
Acts 9:1-2 Meanwhile, Saul was still breathing out murderous threats against the Lord’s disciples. He went to the high priest 2 and asked him for letters to the synagogues in Damascus, so that if he found any there who belonged to the Way, whether men or women, he might take them as prisoners to Jerusalem.
Acts 19:8-9 Paul entered the synagogue and spoke boldly there for three months, arguing persuasively about the kingdom of God. 9 But some of them became obstinate; they refused to believe and publicly maligned the Way. So Paul left them. He took the disciples with him and had discussions daily in the lecture hall of Tyrannus.
Acts 19:23 About that time there arose a great disturbance about the Way.
Acts 24:14 However, I admit that I worship the God of our ancestors as a follower of the Way, which they call a sect. I believe everything that is in accordance with the Law and that is written in the Prophets,
Acts 24: 22 Then Felix, who was well acquainted with the Way, adjourned the proceedings. “When Lysias the commander comes,” he said, “I will decide your case.”
The Way was an Essene term, which seems to have become the very first term that Christians referred to themselves.
Paul speaks to Christians "ye are the children of Light in Eph 5:8 and 1Thess 5:5 and again Jesus uses that term in John 12:36
When Paul refers to The Way, this may well reflect the Essenes acceptance of Christ as their Messiah. They do disappear around the time Christianity begins. They BOTH refer to themselves as The Way as seen in the following:
Acts 9:1-2 Meanwhile, Saul was still breathing out murderous threats against the Lord’s disciples. He went to the high priest 2 and asked him for letters to the synagogues in Damascus, so that if he found any there who belonged to the Way, whether men or women, he might take them as prisoners to Jerusalem.
Acts 19:8-9 Paul entered the synagogue and spoke boldly there for three months, arguing persuasively about the kingdom of God. 9 But some of them became obstinate; they refused to believe and publicly maligned the Way. So Paul left them. He took the disciples with him and had discussions daily in the lecture hall of Tyrannus.
Acts 19:23 About that time there arose a great disturbance about the Way.
Acts 24:14 However, I admit that I worship the God of our ancestors as a follower of the Way, which they call a sect. I believe everything that is in accordance with the Law and that is written in the Prophets,
Acts 24: 22 Then Felix, who was well acquainted with the Way, adjourned the proceedings. “When Lysias the commander comes,” he said, “I will decide your case.”
The Way was an Essene term, which seems to have become the very first term that Christians referred to themselves.
Which one?
The one about 11Q13
here should actually help a bit. That will give you some idea of who the Essenes were, and how they quite probably melted into Christianity, once their Messiah they had prophesied of who would arrive and die for the sins of the people around 32 AD, and rise from the dead came.The Ken Johnson video in which he reveals that the Dead Sea scroll 11Q13 says Messiah would die for Israel's sins in 32 AD and ties it to Daniels 70 weeks is this one--
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Nobody can claim that the idea Messiah would come and die for sins in 32 AD was a Christian concept, because this scroll was written 100 years before Christ! It just blows me away to know how much this sect understood about Messiah. And also how it lends support to all of Paul's teachings. There is little theology that he taught that is not also found in some form in the Dead Sea scroll writings!
Sadly, along with all the other scrolls, the prophecies in this particular scroll were hidden away from anybody who was not part of this sect and when the sect was wiped out during Titus's war on Israel and his seige of Jerusalem in 68-70 AD, their teachings lay hidden in caves until 1947, just before Israel became a nation again.
These scrolls are a valuable resource for people who want even more proof of the divine nature of our New Testament, for they lend even more support to what the NT teaches. Now, the Essenes did not understand everything. For example they believed there would be at least two Messiahs: one who would die for our sins and another who would come and rule the world from David's throne. It did not occur to them that he could be the same person ... which of course we know it is. But nevertheless, with the knowledge we already possess, many of these prophetic scrolls are very much worth the study.
If you mean the videos at the top and the one I posted here YouTube Those were dealing with Tom Horn's idea about Wormwood and the Asteroid named Apophis and a near pass of earth on Friday April 13 of 2029. The Essenes come into that conversation due to their calendar system.
Extra Biblical sources are good sources for history that shows the Bible is accurate to the unbeliever. They also can help us understand Jewish idioms - such as the references Jesus makes to the Jewish wedding ceremony of Galilee in that time period.
To understand what Jesus said about "I go to prepare a place for you" it helps to know that was a thing the Jewish bridegroom said to his bride once she accepted his proposal. He would then leave and prepare that place for her and be gone for up to 2 years.
Only the Father knows is the response of the bridegroom to the good natured ribbing when friends or relatives would ask when is that wedding? Because in first century wedding customs the Father was the one who decided when.
Understanding the idiom isn't necessary to take the literal meaning, but it adds depth and certainty. We are then sure that Jesus is coming back for us, that He is preparing that wedding chamber for us and that when God the Father tells Him to get us, then He will go get us.
It gives us greater understanding. It doesn't replace what we learn in the Bible. Same with the Essenes and their history and writings. Or Josephus. They aren't held to the Biblical standard of accuracy but they add understanding that first century Jews took for granted.
One of the big archaeological criticisms of the Essene writing is that
THEY SOUND TOO CHRISTIAN to be true. LOL I kid you not, that is a big problem for the history professors. It upsets them no end that the Essenes spout a lot of Christian theology --not all Essenes, and not all their doctrines are "Christian" but enough that it gives the history professors fits.
So for a long time these history "experts" dug in their agnostic or Jewish heels, and they refused to allow the images of the scroll fragments out in general view because somehow they were sure it was a Christian hoax of some sort.
Then they had to give in - pictures were getting out online, and people like Ken Johnson were reading these and going WOAH! This fits TOO close to the New Testament.
Another nail in the coffin for these professors was the indisputable fact that these scrolls predate Christ in a lot of cases.
So the problem for them is this:
Up to 200 years before Christ you have this sect that teaches some horribly Christian stuff
AND WORSE YET
They suddenly disappear around the time of Christ.
(oh and shhhh but the reason the old ones buried the scrolls? Before Christ's birth? Because God told them to)
THEY SOUND TOO CHRISTIAN to be true. LOL I kid you not, that is a big problem for the history professors. It upsets them no end that the Essenes spout a lot of Christian theology --not all Essenes, and not all their doctrines are "Christian" but enough that it gives the history professors fits.
So for a long time these history "experts" dug in their agnostic or Jewish heels, and they refused to allow the images of the scroll fragments out in general view because somehow they were sure it was a Christian hoax of some sort.
Then they had to give in - pictures were getting out online, and people like Ken Johnson were reading these and going WOAH! This fits TOO close to the New Testament.
Another nail in the coffin for these professors was the indisputable fact that these scrolls predate Christ in a lot of cases.
So the problem for them is this:
Up to 200 years before Christ you have this sect that teaches some horribly Christian stuff
AND WORSE YET
They suddenly disappear around the time of Christ.
(oh and shhhh but the reason the old ones buried the scrolls? Before Christ's birth? Because God told them to)
Spartan Sprinter
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If Jesus is roughly taking 2000 years of effort to prepare a place for us i coukdn't even imagine how awesone it would be.
Work4Peanuts
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Right? He only took 6 days to make the earth and everything on it.
