Could the 7 Mountain Mandate, NAR, or Christain Nationalism be Slated Providentially to Empower Israel to Her Ez 38 Peace & Saftety Moment

[TCC]

At the request of one of our dear moderators, I am starting this new thread.

We see the potential that America might potentially be strengthened in the short term to make global shifts. If true and so happens (which of course we need to wait and see) Israel will likely benefit greatly for this. Perhaps to the extent of new found authority and peace and safety in the region. Should this come to pass in the short term or semi-short term, I asked the following entangled prophecy fullment consideration.

BACK DROP
For the past 8 years there seems to be 2 major camps (there are more but for now focusing on these two):

A) America loses sovereignty and Israel is left vulnerable for Ez 38
B) We are Entering a Golden Age Where America Gains Power and Captures the world By Storm for an Age of Aquarious Great Human Awakening

Granted B sounds New Age like. That is likely because it is. But, for those who know some of my background views, what if B is True on Some Non-New Age Level? So What that Could Like is:

C) Prophetically Might America Gain Global Power for the Purpose of Protecting Israel to the Point She Dwells in Peace and Safety...Then, Ez 38?

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THE QUESTION
Might it be possible that lets say NAR takes off and Christian Nationaism takes place. Might the strength and focus of that be a way potentially in which providentially America becomes more powerful and helps to super size perhaps Israel in the process for potential Ez 38 status? And if so, then it would seem to me that the things we might have concern forming like Christain Nationalism might actually be that which brings about international shifts that provide Israel with greater power and authority. So if that sort of thing happens, it would almost be like, in ways, we might be concerned with the very unfolding of prophecy by it. Not that NAR is accurately prophetic, but just that if that is the sort of thing that God permits or providentially enforces, would that not mean that the 7 mountain mandate would be a potential in How God fulfills prophecy? Ironically using NAR who thinks they are bringing on the return of Christ to instead bring on Ez 38 and tribultion?

 

[Margery]

Thanks for starting this Teren, I'm going to take a crack at an answer here. But it's a huge topic and no doubt this will take more than one simple answer.

BACK DROP
For the past 8 years there seems to be 2 major camps (there are more but for now focusing on these two):

A) America loses sovereignty and Israel is left vulnerable for Ez 38
B) We are Entering a Golden Age Where America Gains Power and Captures the world By Storm for an Age of Aquarious Great Human Awakening

Granted B sounds New Age like. That is likely because it is. But, for those who know some of my background views, what if B is True on Some Non-New Age Level? So What that Could Like is:

C) Prophetically Might America Gain Global Power for the Purpose of Protecting Israel to the Point She Dwells in Peace and Safety...Then, Ez 38?

. . . . .

So as you know I'm in the "A" camp, that Israel is alone to face Ezek 38. - I get there because of 1) the purpose that God has to make Himself known to Israel and the nations as stated in that passage, (God wants Israel to lean on HIM, turn to HIM) but also 2) because of the lack - absolute lack of any nation on earth coming to Israel's defence. In fact that is conspicuous as the text shows in the actual response to the invasion.

Who is Tarshish?
The only response is a weakly worded question "have you come for spoil?" given by 2 particular groups. No concern for Israel, but a general question about the motives behind the invasion. The 2 groups are Tarshish and cubs. Presumably descendants of Tarshish. And of course Sheba and Dedan which seem to comprise the Arabian Peninsular nations.

Tarshish may be Spain or it may be Britain. For a couple of reasons I think it's Britain which would fit as British merchant (not govt) ships brought Jews to Israel as a passage of Isaiah talks about (says that the merchants of Tarshish bring back the Jews) and the fact that British sourced tin has been found in Solomon's time period in Israeli antiquities digs.

That lines up with texts that indicate Spain was not the only source of Tin known to the Jews in Israel before Ezekiel's time. Spain still might be Tarshish if the USA is the daughter in question as Spanish influence in the USA is also a factor, although not the biggest, and the mother country Spain is not particularly fond of Israel, while the USA still is.

I think it's important to always consider other evidence so I'm hoping you can give some Biblical evidence to point to either B or C in your post above.

B- a Golden Age of America. As the Masonic ideas that the Founding Fathers seemed to envision. To me that is a straight shot into the America as Babylon theory. And that position has some problems which I want to side step for now. Neither of us are going for a New Age version of the "golden age" but after the Rapture that could be a possibility IF and ONLY IF America is Babylon. But as I said, that position has some real problems. Option C is the only other alternative for us to consider from a Biblical world view.

C- Some kind of NOT new age type of Golden Age (unspecified length) that allows the USA to protect Israel to the point she dwells in Peace and Safety after which something takes out America and her protection at the very same time as Ez 38's invasion hits an unsuspecting Israel.



Ok I'll bite for option C to bat around the ideas.

What Biblical evidence in the Ezek 38 and 39 text might support that? What other evidence in other Scripture lines up with that?

I'd like to get that big kahuna out of the way before we look at the mechanics of how that might work such as NAR, Christian Nationalism or other such ways and means.

First we gotta nail down where in the Bible we could potentially see that scenario.

I'll start with -there absolutely is evidence that Israel is in Peace and Security at that time- just before the attack begins.

Now the question remains HOW does Israel gain that, and why is it from America?

I'm cautious on that because of the past history of the USA.

They have protected Israel to a degree, but almost always have demanded a 2 State "solution" in return. Or restrictions on Israel's ability to develop certain things like jets, or restrictions on Israel's ability to respond to threats like Obama did to them when they wanted to take out Iran's nuclear stuff while it was still vulnerable- Obama threatened to shoot them down.

Currently Trump is actually saying he will PREVENT Israel from "annexing" the so called West Bank which is actually the Biblical heartland of Judea and Samaria. In addition to that restriction (remember Israel took back that territory in '67, they let the arab invaders stay, so this is not an annexation at all) Trump will control Gaza in some way on behalf of the so called Palestinians. Israel just bought Gaza back with their blood, after a previous US president had forced Israel to give up Gaza as a 2 State Solution.

So are there areas in the text or in the Bible that support that idea that the USA will provide peace and security to Israel up to the moment of the Ezek 38 invasion?

 

[Spartan Sprinter]

Personally i think the US will only remain as a super power long enough to help Israel take care of maybe the Psalm 83 enemies and the bow of Elam then after this for whatever reason be it maybe the rapture or financial ruin that they no longer retain the status.

I'm with Margery in that Tarshish is looking more like being Britain as Spain has consistently shown themselves to be enemies of Israel and taking the side of the Palestinian's

 

[Greg]

Until it happens anything is possible, I guess, but no I don't think it'll play out in line with scenario B. I see nothing in scripture that hints at that, and I don't think God is going to share the glory of what He works through and on behalf of Israel.

I think Ezekiel will most like happen post Rapture. In the meantime, intra- and inter-societal stress and conflict is increasing and at some point may boil over. I think that's actually what the globalists are banking on.

 

[Batman]

The Psalms 83 passage may not be a prophecy but the USA will diminish regardless. I suppose the rapture will turn America into a war torn land but perhaps we are due for some of the 21 judgments and that causes our demise.