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Very well said. Great way to look at it
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Considering 2024 - Is The World Ripe For Rapture?
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If you haven't read this yet, you might be interested.......
The Rapture: Wildcard for 2025
As another year begins, many battle-weary saints wonder if this will be the year they meet Jesus in the air. Many of us entered 2024 with high hopes that He would come for us soon, or perhaps by its end.
With the dawning of 2025, is there any cause for us to be less watchful than we were a year ago? No, I believe it’s rather a time for increased optimism. Of course, it would be more than a little foolish to predict that the Rapture will happen in the next twelve months. However, it would be equally so to say it couldn’t happen at any moment.
I say that because it’s more evident than ever that we live in the last days of human history as we know it.
Storms on the Horizon
The stormy skies remain on the horizon signaling the nearness of the seven-year Tribulation and they are far more ominous than just a year ago.1. The Threat of World War III. One of the more persistent dangers of our day is that of a nuclear war. How much longer before Putin makes good on his repeated threats to attack NATO and the US with deadly missiles? He recently warned of such an exchanges between Russia and the US, but very few people take him seriously.
The worst of the coming wars will happen after the Lord takes us away from the earth (Revelation 6:1-8). The heightened talk of nuclear wars between the superpowers, however, tell us that the fulfillment of the second and fourth seals are ever so close.
2. Increased Earthquake Activity. During the last several months of 2024, the world experienced a significant increase in the number of earthquakes along with historic volcanic activity. These things, along with warnings of a catastrophic pole switch, point to the opening of the sixth seal described in Revelation 6:12-17. If we already see vivid evidence of what will happen after the Rapture, how close must we be to our departure from this world?
3. “Peace and security.” First Thessalonians 5:3 tells us that the Day of the Lord wrath, in the form of “sudden destruction,” will fall upon the unsuspecting world while people are saying, “There is peace and security.” This is happening now. This exact phrase occurs over 95 times in the document the UN nations approved last September inaugurating “UN 2.0.” But could we be entering a time of increased hope that this might really be the case?
Though he has not yet taken office, President-elect Donald Trump has been busy laying the groundwork for resolving the war between Russia and Ukraine. He also boasts that he can bring peace to the Middle East even though several US presidents have failed to do so. What if he succeeds in these endeavors? Would that not bring the sigh of relief Paul wrote about in 1 Thessalonians 5:3?
Even if genuine peace ensues in the coming months, there are other realities that tell us that the quieting of world tensions won’t forestall the beginning of the Day of the Lord.
First, there’s the rampant lawlessness, continuing bloodshed through abortion, widespread acceptance of pedophilia, and other abhorrent behaviors will not go away with the cessation of military conflicts. The Lord must and will certainly judge these things.
Second, any period of calm won’t stop the powerful forces at work seeking to bring about a Marxist world government with a greatly reduced world population.
4. The June 2025 Peace Summit at the UN. During the first week of June, a large number of nations will gather at the UN with the purpose of putting in place a seven-year peace covenant between Israel and its enemies. It’s too early to tell if they will have success or if it will be the accord that antichrist will make with Israel or one that he will later incorporate into it. However, the fact the world is thinking in these terms should cause believers to look up in anticipation of the Lord’s soon return.
Although the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, Mohammed bin Salman Al Saud (MBS), initiated this latest pursuit of Middle East peace, another unseen force seem to be driving it. The apparent void in leadership draws our attention to another prophecy, which tells us the identity of the antichrist will remain hidden until after the Rapture (2 Thessalonians 2:3-8). From what the Bible reveals about the coming “man of lawlessness,” we know it can’t be MBS; but is there another catalyst behind this peace initiative whose identity remains veiled at the moment?
The Restrainer
These and many other signs not only tell us the Tribulation is near, but also draw our attention to why it has not yet started. The Restrainer, which Paul wrote about in 2 Thessalonians 2:6-7, explains why we can be so close to the Lord’s opening of the seals after the Rapture, but remain earthbound.
When Jesus comes for His Church, the restraining work of the Holy Spirit will end and the Day of the Lord wrath will begin shortly afterward.
The Rapture is truly the wild card for 2025 and beyond; it’s the catalyst that will speed up the rapid succession of events we read about throughout the book of Revelation. Imagine the start of the end time judgments starting with the breaking of a rubber band. Although it’s already stretched beyond the snapping point, the Lord is holding it together. Once He takes us home, He will remove all restraint and the rubber band will break.
The chaos following our departure will give antichrist the opportunity to seize control of world affairs and finalize the covenant of peace that Daniel wrote about long ago (Daniel 9:27) and Jesus warned would happen as a sign pointing to the nearness of His Second Coming (Matthew 24:15-31).
The transition from what we now see to the wrath of the Day of the Lord will be sudden and unexpected for most. Momentous change is coming to the world soon after the Rapture.
Until then, we wait knowing that any moment the Lord might appear. The bad actors of our world are ready for moment they have the freedom to take the stage and fully implement their agenda under the guidance of antichrist.
Maranatha!
The Rapture: Wildcard for 2025 — Jonathan Brentner
With the dawning of 2025, is there any cause for us to be less watchful than we were a year ago? No, I believe it’s rather a time for increased optimism. Of course, it would be more than a little foolish to predict that the Rapture will happen in the next twelve months. However, it would be equally
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Rose my dear, you just keep delivering LOL, you've made my day !!!If you haven't read this yet, you might be interested.......
The Rapture: Wildcard for 2025
As another year begins, many battle-weary saints wonder if this will be the year they meet Jesus in the air. Many of us entered 2024 with high hopes that He would come for us soon, or perhaps by its end.
With the dawning of 2025, is there any cause for us to be less watchful than we were a year ago? No, I believe it’s rather a time for increased optimism. Of course, it would be more than a little foolish to predict that the Rapture will happen in the next twelve months. However, it would be equally so to say it couldn’t happen at any moment.
I say that because it’s more evident than ever that we live in the last days of human history as we know it.
Storms on the Horizon
The stormy skies remain on the horizon signaling the nearness of the seven-year Tribulation and they are far more ominous than just a year ago.
1. The Threat of World War III. One of the more persistent dangers of our day is that of a nuclear war. How much longer before Putin makes good on his repeated threats to attack NATO and the US with deadly missiles? He recently warned of such an exchanges between Russia and the US, but very few people take him seriously.
The worst of the coming wars will happen after the Lord takes us away from the earth (Revelation 6:1-8). The heightened talk of nuclear wars between the superpowers, however, tell us that the fulfillment of the second and fourth seals are ever so close.
2. Increased Earthquake Activity. During the last several months of 2024, the world experienced a significant increase in the number of earthquakes along with historic volcanic activity. These things, along with warnings of a catastrophic pole switch, point to the opening of the sixth seal described in Revelation 6:12-17. If we already see vivid evidence of what will happen after the Rapture, how close must we be to our departure from this world?
3. “Peace and security.” First Thessalonians 5:3 tells us that the Day of the Lord wrath, in the form of “sudden destruction,” will fall upon the unsuspecting world while people are saying, “There is peace and security.” This is happening now. This exact phrase occurs over 95 times in the document the UN nations approved last September inaugurating “UN 2.0.” But could we be entering a time of increased hope that this might really be the case?
Though he has not yet taken office, President-elect Donald Trump has been busy laying the groundwork for resolving the war between Russia and Ukraine. He also boasts that he can bring peace to the Middle East even though several US presidents have failed to do so. What if he succeeds in these endeavors? Would that not bring the sigh of relief Paul wrote about in 1 Thessalonians 5:3?
Even if genuine peace ensues in the coming months, there are other realities that tell us that the quieting of world tensions won’t forestall the beginning of the Day of the Lord.
First, there’s the rampant lawlessness, continuing bloodshed through abortion, widespread acceptance of pedophilia, and other abhorrent behaviors will not go away with the cessation of military conflicts. The Lord must and will certainly judge these things.
Second, any period of calm won’t stop the powerful forces at work seeking to bring about a Marxist world government with a greatly reduced world population.
4. The June 2025 Peace Summit at the UN. During the first week of June, a large number of nations will gather at the UN with the purpose of putting in place a seven-year peace covenant between Israel and its enemies. It’s too early to tell if they will have success or if it will be the accord that antichrist will make with Israel or one that he will later incorporate into it. However, the fact the world is thinking in these terms should cause believers to look up in anticipation of the Lord’s soon return.
Although the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, Mohammed bin Salman Al Saud (MBS), initiated this latest pursuit of Middle East peace, another unseen force seem to be driving it. The apparent void in leadership draws our attention to another prophecy, which tells us the identity of the antichrist will remain hidden until after the Rapture (2 Thessalonians 2:3-8). From what the Bible reveals about the coming “man of lawlessness,” we know it can’t be MBS; but is there another catalyst behind this peace initiative whose identity remains veiled at the moment?
The Restrainer
These and many other signs not only tell us the Tribulation is near, but also draw our attention to why it has not yet started. The Restrainer, which Paul wrote about in 2 Thessalonians 2:6-7, explains why we can be so close to the Lord’s opening of the seals after the Rapture, but remain earthbound.
When Jesus comes for His Church, the restraining work of the Holy Spirit will end and the Day of the Lord wrath will begin shortly afterward.
The Rapture is truly the wild card for 2025 and beyond; it’s the catalyst that will speed up the rapid succession of events we read about throughout the book of Revelation. Imagine the start of the end time judgments starting with the breaking of a rubber band. Although it’s already stretched beyond the snapping point, the Lord is holding it together. Once He takes us home, He will remove all restraint and the rubber band will break.
The chaos following our departure will give antichrist the opportunity to seize control of world affairs and finalize the covenant of peace that Daniel wrote about long ago (Daniel 9:27) and Jesus warned would happen as a sign pointing to the nearness of His Second Coming (Matthew 24:15-31).
The transition from what we now see to the wrath of the Day of the Lord will be sudden and unexpected for most. Momentous change is coming to the world soon after the Rapture.
Until then, we wait knowing that any moment the Lord might appear. The bad actors of our world are ready for moment they have the freedom to take the stage and fully implement their agenda under the guidance of antichrist.
Maranatha!
The Rapture: Wildcard for 2025 — Jonathan Brentner
With the dawning of 2025, is there any cause for us to be less watchful than we were a year ago? No, I believe it’s rather a time for increased optimism. Of course, it would be more than a little foolish to predict that the Rapture will happen in the next twelve months. However, it would be equally
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I commend @Goodboy for sharing his heart and that video. The way in which I track and approach things eschatologically is kind of a universe away from how Tyler approaches things. But I am fascinated with the global church community. On one recent video that came out from CBN, the guy was pretty much describing common views of the AC and end time stuff. But he actually articulated a key feature in my perspective. That the peace and safety found in 1 Thes is for the world and for Israel. And that God is using America to do it...lol. That's a first. What seems to be apexing:
A) Peace and safety Ez 38
B) Peace and safety AC
It would appear those two are on a collision course of sorts. Its nice to see the former starting to be a thing in certain Christian circles. As for Tyler, I could see why he would capture interest. And I think it is an awesome trait in @Goodboy to being open to some we might not trust so much. I believe that practice is par for the course in end time discovery. Blessings.
A) Peace and safety Ez 38
B) Peace and safety AC
It would appear those two are on a collision course of sorts. Its nice to see the former starting to be a thing in certain Christian circles. As for Tyler, I could see why he would capture interest. And I think it is an awesome trait in @Goodboy to being open to some we might not trust so much. I believe that practice is par for the course in end time discovery. Blessings.
Always ready to go.
I like this year for the Rapture, just as I have for every previous year. I've been waiting and hoping since Hal Lindsay's Late Great Planet Earth that I got in 1970 the year mum died.
I remember before Covid hit, talking with others about 2025- not the Rapture but the convergence of a whole bunch of things - the UN, the globalists - a lot of stuff I don't even remember the significance of, except that year kept popping up.
I remember talking about it in relation to the mess that was happening as Trump's peace plan kept getting delayed. Then Covid hit at the same time as that peace plan was unveiled and it's been a fast ride to now.
2030 is another year that keeps popping up on the radar- same people.
But those are the plans of men and fallen angels. Satan's best guess is still only a guess.
God says we won't know the day or the hour, but He inspires Paul to write that we would know the season.
We are in the season. Since 1948.
Like TCC mentions, I'm interested in the way Trump is a catalyst for a certain kind of peace. The kind of peace that Israel needs to enjoy before Ezekiel 38 can happen. Trump is working on the kind of peace that Gog of Russia needs to take over Magog again before Ezek 38. The world leaders want war, the people of the world want peace.
The Restrainer restrains, but then He allows certain things. Like Trump. This wild card of a man that God appears to be using to bring a lot of different people together to move the furniture into place so the Trib can take place, like digital currency, AI, letting Gog take back Magog for example. Letting Israel take care of business so she can live in relative peace ready for Ezek 38
Trump came in like a wrecking ball again, crashing thru old worn out 2 state solutions, the plans of the globalists, the status quo of a cold war gone stale and an Islamic world bent on conquest.
The world still hopes for peace without the Prince of Peace. Those hopes of peace that the Rapture crushes as we get out of here and the place falls apart as we leave.
The only sign I can really point to though is the speed at which things are accelerating. It's faster since Trump took power again. I saw this happen the first time he became President. After 2020 finished, and the other guy took over, I saw things not pause precisely, --there was too fast an acceleration of evil to say it was paused, --but it was almost on hold by comparison.
Trump's only been in 6 or 7 weeks? It's gone by in a blur and if his second term repeats his first- this is a rollercoaster, speeding up. It was about the end of year 3 beginning of year 4 that he finally managed to get that Peace Deal worked out behind the scenes. How much will he get done in that time that remains? Will we still be here when a new President is elected?
An acceleration of events leading up to the Rapture. I don't think it will pause or slow down long enough for anyone to catch their breath.
It's a wild ride. And the Rapture is coming up fast on the near horizon but I don't know how long. Nor would I trust any gut feeling I had about it. The 6000 year theory seems best but it remains to be seen if that is how God is going to do things.
I'm not even sure that it's a feast day. I think it can be at any moment so tying it to a feast day seems to interfere with imminence on all the other days of the year, so I don't get my hopes up for a feast day. But those who do hold to a feast day have very good reasons.
I've wondered about the spring- Passover to Pentecost. It's in the Song of Solomon, Rise up my love, my fair one, and come away, and it describes the spring. It's the song of the bridegroom to his bride and if it's a type of Christ and the Church, perhaps springtime - but any day of the year is good.
Agree. I have always doubted a global event such as the rapture for the church could be tied to a holiday/feast for the Jews.
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Amen Margery. Biden admin came as a shock to me as it seemed the world was ready back then for what we seem to be now more ready for now. From political forensics, to me it just seems now like what Admin 45 was about was getting into office, kicking the tires, seeing what is what, unplugging everything, and then develop a plan upon return. As strange as it sounds, I think Trump would have fought for 2020 more if there were still avenues available according to the road he chose to challenge it. But there were nuetral sources that affirmed just after that the Sidney Powell/Gen Flynn route was to challenge it directly through constitutional provision of military recount. The route Trump chose was Rudy Giuliani's. Lest it sound too mysterious, from what I understand that was because Rudy wanted to keep the fight going through local courts because the other route would have been a huge amount more work. Instinct tells me possibly that Trump chose the Guilani route (and let Sidney go) because what we saw for 4 years during 45 was how easily the deep state can weaponize media still around him. So was it worth another 4 years with media empowered by globalist mindsets after having a military recount? lol. I don't think it was time. A better time to show contrast. Biden plugging everything back in in plain sight. A time to see the dying propaganda of globalism on display for America and all the world to see. To me, that is why it is no surprise at what level of speed and Percision Trump 47 operates like. I kind of see 45/47 as at least a plan hoped for, when considerating Trump's campaign video as 45 in 2016.
So I would see the "pause" as more of a time of contrast and a time to front off the deep state even as they hoped to have done through media during 45. When the deep state is in power, there are levers to adjust focus on them in order to weaken them--like they did with Trump for 4 years lol. Like how it came about in media: Twitter/Rumble/Truth Social (in contrast to legacy media losing clout before the masses--Joe Rogan and alternative Media gaining traction--now invited to the Whitehouse as THE PRESS COR of CHOICE). So to me, especially in Trump dragging his feet in 2017/18 with not getting the wall funded--causing Ann Coulter to ditch support of him, it seemed he might want to time better whether a wall would be finished by how the next election cycle might fair in what might be best for the nation. Having enough momentum at that point to be 46, or leave the office open for a 4 year ride of escorting the deep state into undoing their own chinanigans.
As for the feast days I don't think they apply to the rapture. Although yeah, Pentecost (as a twin mirror) possibly could be that. But since it is aside from Israel proper, maybe not. As for the Fall, just like all 4 Spring Feast Days occured in cluster at Christ's first coming, I believe they would cluster in short order also at his return. And see them as the following:
Feat of Trumpets -- The Sign of the Son of Man (with 10 days to Mourn and decide)
Day of Attonement -- The Supper of God/Reaper Angels Rev 14 (tares part of the wheat and tares Matt 13)
Tabernacles -- The 1,000 year reign
As for the Song of Solomon wow, yeah maybe. Amen. There is a batch of believers leaning toward April this year. I believe that totally could be it. The only thing on a view that soon that I just would not know how to sort out in my heart is if we are this close to Israel getting peace and safety and becoming miraculously strong for a season, it would just make more sense that God stay a rapture to include those from Israel who might recognize that as the hand of God, and not have to go through the 70th week. If it were not this close to "something" like that forming in the middle east, I would be more inclined to bet on April or this spring or sometime in 2025. But because we are so close to something going on with Israel, it would just make more sense to me (and of course God owes no explanation here to any of us) that Israel get a shot at recognizing Messiah one last time. It would just seem to rapture before that, then have that, then Ez 38, would feel awkward. His ways are higher regardless. But just saying. Blessings.
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The feast of trumpets is a feast of trumpets , just sayin LOL ...................
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There are so many reasons that I wouldn’t even know where to start. I mainly share the views that Don Koenig and Pete Garcia have written about on their blogs over the years. It’s a culmination of those posts along with what I’m seeing in the World such as the growing hatred of Israel in the World, including here in the USA, Trump being in office and the pushback against the woke mind virus and how it might lead to a crash right in time for the rapture. There are so many more reasons that involve cycles in the Bible, the 7 day creation and how it aligns with the 7,000 years of humanity, etc…
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Yeah I'm piggy backing off Don mainly as well
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Cool. Thanks. I didn't know about Don. I looked at his bio. Pretty good stuff. He is listed with some online commentary groups like Study light that feature major theologians. Amen. As for Pete Garcia (neither of these guys was I aware of) I found this video (not sure if you might have seen this). This is a good video mix for me to kind of get a feel. In the second half he gives gnostic history blend with Augustine and Catholicism which I think is very helpful insight. - YouTube
I find it pretty cool that you would see a Fall 2026. That is actually helpful for me to know. Because I find a general approach to eschatology today is primarily viewed through the lens of an encroaching beast system that leads into the tribulation period. I used to be pretty much into that in 2016/17. As time went on, it started to seem to me that the Ez 38 feature in scripture seemed to blend well with contemporary views of Daniel/Matt 24/Revelation 6+. But over the years it has seemed to me a rubric sense of Ez 38 that could in ways overshadow perhaps other working eschatological filters. Like . Daniel/Matt 24/Revelation 6+. Because it is all God's word, they will relate of course. Amen.
Well, thanks for sharing that Cheeky. Because I cherish that you see what you do with the Daniel/Matt 24/Revelation 6+ paradigm as arriving at a 2026 Fall potential. I used to think 2024 like probable. But now that we are here, my new 2024 is 2026. lol. But you are the first person I have heard a 2026 Fall view from the Daniel/Matt 24/Revelation 6+ paradigm. Although I would see Ez 38 in a bit of contrast to that eschatological map, because my initial roots were well planted in the Daniel/Matt 24/Revelation 6+ paradigm, I appreciate many of the perspectives from this orientation.
In general, my differences are fairly on the simplistic side (perhaps overly simplistic in comparison...lol). But they would be:
- Ez 38 in my estimation tends to hold a primary paradigmatic wieght for eschatology because it seems to be a part of the age of grace, the most detail given on any one prophecy, and Israeli centric (whereas the Daniel/Matt 24/Revelation 6+ can tend to import in ways eschatology a bit beyond Israeli trends prior to their 70th week, me thinks)
- The Abraham Accords views through Daniel/Matt 24/Revelation 6+ paradigm tends to land toward a covenant the AC strengthens view
- Ez 38 tends to me to explain Abraham Accords from a perspective of their 1 Thes 5 peace and safety
- Whereas Daniel/Matt 24/Revelation 6+ paradigm tends to link peace and safety more so with an AC false peace
In general, just for the record, I would see Ez 38 paradigm for the age of grace and Daniel/Matt 24/Revelation 6+ for the tribulation without overlap. Not that I don't see overlap. But just that in general (as the age of grace is a separate dispensation than the tribulation age...there would of necessity be also two different dispensational economies it would seem), the operating premise of Ez 38 (because of its Israeli centricity) seems to perhaps carry with it the weight of interpretive values associated with age of grace premise over and above secondary overtones of tribulation era potential spillover. So in general I would see things in the age of grace trend to mean very different things than they will in a completely different dispensation, the tribulation. The Abraham Accords seems to highlight this distinction the best I guess. Like with it are we expecting to see a false AC peace encrouaching? Or a peace and safety Isreal has apart from an AC rule. For me it would seem the latter because Ez 38 appears to be sytemic to and apart of the age of grace features.
So I just say all that to say I am grateful that even though our paradigms might be different, the fact that we see very similarly on end time horizon I think is a beautiful thing. You wanna know my answer why? lol. Maybe not...lol. Its actually rather childish I think in comparison to the wealth of insight Koenig and Garcia bring to the table. But it does kind of highlight in a way how vastly different I would see dispensations fuction for His creation as. So please forgive the pedestrian bottom shelf kind of actually rather dumbed down reasoning this may seem to be lol, but I just find it interesting even though we still see a very similar time line. Which gives me hope that where I might be thinking way too much in street graffiti hyroglyphic fashion, even in that, I could by accident still be somewhat over the target perhaps. But my reason is a simple timeline we are given. Not a biblical one but perhaps a providential one. In July of 2026, Trump wants to celebrate the 250th year anniversary of America with a Garden of Heroes celebration. Where it would seem he desires to tell the story of America through the contemporary lenses of new statues to some modern day American heroes. And as unbiblical as that may sound, it kind of resonates with me in that that timeline suggest where Trump invisions we might be as a nation by that time. Not at "by the end of his term," but in the middle of it. So if Trump/America/Israel combo is somehow a providential belwhether for even those who might not read the Bible, it might be a common man's tell of timing me thinks, in general. I'm not married to that. But as Ez 38 being so detailed is a swiss Watch accurate aligner by which we can tell what time it is biblically...and take us by the scruff of the neck along for that ride to watch it pace wise unfold, perhaps on the unconventonal side of the coin may be what seems to be accomplish by the semiquincentennial mark.
The irony in that if true (and only of the course the Lord knows) is that while most of eschatology would not see America in prophecy, it might actually be rather slated for it as the apex of climaxing the gentile church of grace at its finest point hand off to Israel their 70th week baton. So on one hand we have the closing of the church age perhaps as the semiquincentennial and Ez 38 as perhaps the ominous curtsy into the new dispensation for those who might not have raptured. Especially Israel. So even though I tend to track very different things, I am honored to share a similar timeline. One where we both might be off. Or one where we both might see...by the grace of God in our perspectives go either of us. Amen. Thanks dear sister. Blessings.
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Don was the door into end time prophecy for me as i didn't even know about the pre trib rapture. Then his 1st recommendation of christian authors he recommended was Jack Kelley and Jack helped me understand and reassure my salvation oddly enough through his website title Grace thru faith
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Amen. Those are names I've never really heard. Jack Kelly I have. But I never looked into any of these guys. In the American Reformed camp its like living on an island in the middle of New York City. You have no idea of all that is out there. Although they do encourage educating oneself, there is quite a premium on where you are at is Disneyland and all the rest of the world a post apocolyptic zombie zone. Why do Mad Max when you can ride Space Mountain again. There were truly delightful times there too. And the most actually I had ever seen God interact with me like in spades, wild stuff. It was practically continuational in a cessationist world. There must be a song in that somewhere. So as much as I had issues with all that constantly all the time 24/7, I marvled greatly and deeply in all that God transcended in it and through it. So yeah...all the prophecy teachers were seen as Ghost Town inhabitors. Never really an attraction to go much beyond the entrance doorway. Everything you ever need and more is all right there.Don was the door into end time prophecy for me as i didn't even know about the pre trib rapture. Then his 1st recommendation of christian authors he recommended was Jack Kelley and Jack helped me understand and reassure my salvation oddly enough through his website title Grace thru faith
So praise God you had these men in your life to move your heart into question and interest. I have heard Kelly's name quite a bit here and there. But it was truly like a shock for me to even be open to like JD Farag when he was with Calvery Chapel. They were considered outside the camp (which biblically is actually probably a right thing...lol). It was strange warming up to all of that. Like I was seeing another woman or something. Like I felt like it was ok to lie to me or something. But when I saw JD's articulation of Ez 38, it fascinated me. The American Reformed Camp is not really into end times. But JD kind of grew on me. Then there is John Barnett. Actually American Reformed from Macarthur's church...yet very much into end times. He is quite a beautiful man.
Now, I kinda freelance...lol. So Spartan, why was it odd to be strengthened by Jack's website? Is he into Lordship Salvation? Blessings.
Jack Kelley - gee, I think I heard about him…..Don was the door into end time prophecy for me as i didn't even know about the pre trib rapture. Then his 1st recommendation of christian authors he recommended was Jack Kelley and Jack helped me understand and reassure my salvation oddly enough through his website title Grace thru faith
Everyone who has posted with me for the last decade knows I rank Jack up there with the best of the all time bible teachers!
Never.
From Jacks website, in his question and answers section:
Question: Can you please explain lordship salvation and whether you feel it is a valid doctrine? If I understand it correctly and it is valid, it pretty much eliminates any “deathbed conversions.”
Answer: As I understand it, lordship salvation holds that just asking Jesus to be your Savior isn’t enough to save you. You also have to agree to make Him Lord of your life.
This is demonstrated by whether your actions in this world give evidence of your obedience to Biblical instructions on Christian living. Some go so far as to say that if there are no observable changes, then there has been no salvation.
This view contradicts the clear Biblical teachings that the sole requirement for salvation is the belief that Jesus died for our sins and rose again.
I don’t think anyone would disagree that having the Holy Spirit come to dwell in our heart will cause changes in our life. But what changes occur, and when, are between each believer and the Holy Spirit and don’t concern anyone else.
Jesus paid the ultimate price, His life, to make salvation free for the asking (Matt. 7:7-8). But ever since He did, mankind has been coming up with additional conditions, all to the effect of trying to make it more expensive.
Paul said, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved” (Romans 10:13).
Lordship Salvation – Grace thru faith
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I'm a 1 point Lordship Salvationist. If you are born again from Him, there would be something about that would have a supernatural quality. Not that we do good works. Would be sin free. Have stellar charactor. Read the Bible or go to church. But I just think it would be impossible to be touched by His new birth and have 0 difference. Outside of that I guess I would see it as legalistic. I would piggy back on Jack's "it will be different with everyone," amen. Thanks for sharing that. I would not think he was. But just wondering what about his website that might have made being encouraged in Christianity somewhat ironic.Never.
From Jacks website, in his question and answers section:
Question: Can you please explain lordship salvation and whether you feel it is a valid doctrine? If I understand it correctly and it is valid, it pretty much eliminates any “deathbed conversions.”
Answer: As I understand it, lordship salvation holds that just asking Jesus to be your Savior isn’t enough to save you. You also have to agree to make Him Lord of your life.
This is demonstrated by whether your actions in this world give evidence of your obedience to Biblical instructions on Christian living. Some go so far as to say that if there are no observable changes, then there has been no salvation.
This view contradicts the clear Biblical teachings that the sole requirement for salvation is the belief that Jesus died for our sins and rose again.
I don’t think anyone would disagree that having the Holy Spirit come to dwell in our heart will cause changes in our life. But what changes occur, and when, are between each believer and the Holy Spirit and don’t concern anyone else.
Jesus paid the ultimate price, His life, to make salvation free for the asking (Matt. 7:7-8). But ever since He did, mankind has been coming up with additional conditions, all to the effect of trying to make it more expensive.
Paul said, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved” (Romans 10:13).
Lordship Salvation – Grace thru faith
Blessings.
