When do you think it's acceptable to warn other believers of deception that is coming out of someone's ministry/legacy/Christian organization?
I don't deny Charlie's salvation. I think he was a wonderful brother in Christ. He was bold in proclaiming the Gospel. I loved his videos that I saw. He also, sadly, held to some flawed ideas and Satan will probably use that for his evil devices. Both can be true.
That's all I'm saying, along with Spencer Smith. That we need to be careful and mark the areas where Satan has an inroad to spread these false doctrines like Catholicism. I don't think that undoes everything that Charlie did for God, either. I just know like with anything, Satan will take full advantage of the unity with false believers to push his organization down a path Charlie probably did not want.
I'm not sure how Erika Kirk will lead the organization. We can only pray that she has strong discernment.
I do love your sweet heart Rose.
Thank you for your genuine concerns that Im in agreement with.
I think some of what I have said in this thread has been somewhat misunderstood.
If content from the various posts I have made would be analyzed it would be apparent I did see some issues of concern with the organization because while Charlie made the organization about conservative politics he did include his faith in his speeches because he recognized the foundation of our constitutional republic framed under Judeo Christian values. He was passionate about upholding the framers concept of how this country should be led. He also wanted to bring people to Jesus and be saved
But at his events he was open to questions by anyone and always responded using sound biblical principles.
However, I dont doubt having been surrounded by many in his organization with false doctrine was a bad move.
This is my assessment of what went wrong.
Charlie started Turning Point when he was only 18 years old. Still very young and not fully mature but with big ideas and a desire to make a difference in his country. He said he accepted Jesus as His Savior when he was 15. After starting TPUSA, Over the years Charlie got people into his organization for political purposes. People from different backgrounds but with the same conservative beliefs and goals. When recruiting people into the organization Im sure he was looking at those who had conservative beliefs.
Over the years he likely developed friendships by closely working together on common goals politically, and probably agreed on moral issues, and likely some of those other religious ideas were getting mixed in as well but put into language that maybe didn't sound religious but aligned with his views morally, and may have sounded appealing to him and the religious aspect crept into his mindset agreeably not fully grasping that he was adopting unsound religious views.
By not using biblical discernment in testing the spirits the NAR doctrine was taking form to his organization leading it down the wrong path.
I am not convinced Charlie understood that his organization had been hijacked by NAR.
When speaking politically some NAR language was noted.
But when speaking in the context of the bible he was sound in expressing biblical truth.
This is what I assess as to what happened to the organization.
As for Charlie, he was a believer and is now with The Lord.
As for TPUSA, I think if some new guidelines aren't established regarding the religious component to it, it will keep going the wrong direction and likely will contribute to misleading many people, religiously speaking, especially the young inexperienced people in college campuses who are more driven by emotion and impressionable by Influence.
Erika is the CEO now. Its up to her to set those new guidelines. She may have to do some purging . But on our part as Christian we could offer up prayer for her in this regard.
.its Important that we use critique but towards the problem of the false doctrine within the organization and not use a broad brush to include sound bible believing Christians in the critique over their love or support for Charlie as a brother in Christ or for Erika amd her children.
Definitely reject the false doctrine of demons and warn people who dont know about it.
But where a brother has made bad choices and gotten mixed into bad theology and maybe didn't realize it and maybe was overlooked by his mentors in faith and it wasnt addressed to him, being a believer in the shed blood of Jesus, I think Charlie was covered by Gods Grace and Charlie is with The Lord.
I apologize for the over lengthy post but I wanted to be clear on where I stand on this situation.
So, yes when misleading false doctrine is hurting people and taking them down the wrong path that can keep them from The Way The Truth and The life, indeed red flags are merited and should be pointed out
I do think we should have all the facts on what we spread to make sure to present the problem at its core and those behind it
We dont want to hurt innocent people getting caught up in the middle of the exposing of false doctrine because we dont know all the facts. If we are not sure, we don't want to make assumptions by filling in the blanks without really knowing if that person is part of that false doctrine.
Here are a couple of links:
. We live in a day and age where convictions are hot and heavy. There is good and not so good with that. You have articulated yes what I would deem as Lordship Salvation lite. Because of your level of care to approach my heart in this way dear one, it follows clarity comes forth better.
