Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University.

[mattfivefour]

The Butler Pennsylvania shooter was about 150 meters from President Trump, fired numerous bullets, only grazed his target, killed a bystander and wounded two others. The Utah Valley shooter was 180 meters from Charlie Kirk, fired just one shot, killed his target, and wounded nobody else. Just luck?

 

[TCC]

I can understand this to be the left likely...or globalism...but Charlie made a lot of different kinds of enemies by what he shared from the heart. I was never a huge fan, but admired that he was either "the reason" trump got elected or "hugely related" to its certainty. Because of him connecting trump with kennedy. A total final nail in the dem campaign coffin. That huge gesture on Charlie's part likely won the election for Trump. Quite an historical move. So much alive at heart activity arrived at at only age 31.

So i came across this article that states some concerns of this also being potentially massad operation because of Charlie's interest in potential Epstein/Massad connections. That is a possibility. But Charlie was hated by so many factions because of his standing up for what he understood was right. Its hard to say what this actually means

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But one thing i did find touching. I semi-frequent perspectives way outside our Christain circle. And on some occasions its a popular athiest female on youtube. I had not checked any of her stuff out in months. She is known for debating Christians. And sometimes its helpful to see how her or her generation might understand some Christian views. With almost a million followers, it was nice to see her in literal tears over Charlie's death. And a heart felt genuine cry to stop this type of horrorshow. Her words were: Being human is not a partison issue. Even this pop-culture athiest was deeply struck by what happened to Charlie. Which she would have agreed with 0 politically on and religously on. It was touching to see that.

So sorry for his family. Thanks for all who have shared on this thread. A solemn day. Blessings all.

 

[3Nails4Given]

The Butler Pennsylvania shooter was about 150 meters from President Trump, fired numerous bullets, only grazed his target, killed a bystander and wounded two others. The Utah Valley shooter was 180 meters from Charlie Kirk, fired just one shot, killed his target, and wounded nobody else. Just luck?

Charlie’s shooter used a WW2 Mauser chambered in 30.06, more capable than the 5.56 rounds used in Butler.

It’s going to be next to impossible to trace that rifle because it’s a relic.

That .30 caliber round fired in an almost magnum charge is extremely deadly and accurate.

 

[mattfivefour]

Charlie’s shooter used a WW2 Mauser chambered in 30.06, more capable than the 5.56 rounds used in Butler.

It’s going to be next to impossible to trace that rifle because it’s a relic.

That .30 caliber round fired in an almost magnum charge is extremely deadly and accurate.

Do you suspect that Charlie's killer was more than just an angry amateur?

 

[LightOfMyLife]

The asked Trump because he’s invited he said it’s probably going to be not this weekend but the next, from the way I read his statement. They have to give SS time to secure the venue in Phoenix

I found a link on the story regarding funeral details. 8pmnews.com/charlie-kirks-funeral-details-where-will-it-be-held/

 

[3Nails4Given]

Do you suspect that Charlie's killer was more than just an angry amateur?

No but believe he did not act alone and the venu was previously under reconnaissance prior to the event.

 

[1LoverofGod]

The Butler Pennsylvania shooter was about 150 meters from President Trump, fired numerous bullets, only grazed his target, killed a bystander and wounded two others. The Utah Valley shooter was 180 meters from Charlie Kirk, fired just one shot, killed his target, and wounded nobody else. Just luck?

I saw this on American Thinker. Here is a target shooting experts analysis on how the shooter shot Charlie's Carotid.
This is an excerpt from the article....

Charlie Kirk: Was the fatal neck shot the work of a skilled sniper?​

By Ned Barnett


Based on a lifetime of target shooting with long-arms, here is what I believe the assassin did:
Media reports said he shot a high-power rifle. Given his relative accuracy, he’d have been shooting heavy, streamlined ammunition. Not specialized hunting ammunition, but ammo designed for long-range target shooting. This isn’t the most deadly ammunition available, but if it hits center mass, it’s deadly at 200 yards.

Because the assassin was far above his target, he was likely aiming, not for center mass, but – anticipating the gravity drop – above the center mass, perhaps targeting the head. To avoid the gravity issue, he overcompensated, shooting too high to hit center mass. The victim’s carotid wasn’t his target – it’s too small. Aiming high, either because he wasn’t as good as he thought, or because he overcompensated for the gravity-drop, meant he hit the carotid.

Since his target was sitting on a stage at the bottom of an outdoor amphitheater, essentially unmoving, the bullet had a lot of gravity to contend with. It struck an area between the head and center mass. One of those was almost certainly his target. Striking carotid was pure bad luck for his target.

Few others – besides trained military or SWAT snipers – would even consider aiming at that small target from 200 yards. Since a miss would give his target a fair chance to get out of the line of fire before the next shot, only a deluded sniper would bet his skills on such a shot.

That’s my opinion.

If you hear from a SEAL Team Six or FBI hostage-rescue sniper, considering how really accurate his custom-built sniper rifle is, if he says he could make the shot, believe him. Then ask yourself, “what are the odds that this sniper would have the equipment, training and skill needed to make such a shot?”
Essentially no one but a military or FBI-trained sniper could make that shot, even with everything in his favor.

Complete Article:

Charlie Kirk: Was the fatal neck shot the work of a skilled sniper?

Since I first heard of Charlie Kirk’s assassination, I’ve been pondering whether a lifelong shooter’s perspective on the murderous sniper who took Charlie Kirk’s life would be welcome, as well as speculating how he did it. ...

www.americanthinker.com

 

[1LoverofGod]

I saw this on American Thinker. Here is a target shooting experts analysis on how the shooter shot Charlie's Carotid.
This is an excerpt from the article....

Charlie Kirk: Was the fatal neck shot the work of a skilled sniper?​

By Ned Barnett


Based on a lifetime of target shooting with long-arms, here is what I believe the assassin did:
Media reports said he shot a high-power rifle. Given his relative accuracy, he’d have been shooting heavy, streamlined ammunition. Not specialized hunting ammunition, but ammo designed for long-range target shooting. This isn’t the most deadly ammunition available, but if it hits center mass, it’s deadly at 200 yards.

Because the assassin was far above his target, he was likely aiming, not for center mass, but – anticipating the gravity drop – above the center mass, perhaps targeting the head. To avoid the gravity issue, he overcompensated, shooting too high to hit center mass. The victim’s carotid wasn’t his target – it’s too small. Aiming high, either because he wasn’t as good as he thought, or because he overcompensated for the gravity-drop, meant he hit the carotid.

Since his target was sitting on a stage at the bottom of an outdoor amphitheater, essentially unmoving, the bullet had a lot of gravity to contend with. It struck an area between the head and center mass. One of those was almost certainly his target. Striking carotid was pure bad luck for his target.

Few others – besides trained military or SWAT snipers – would even consider aiming at that small target from 200 yards. Since a miss would give his target a fair chance to get out of the line of fire before the next shot, only a deluded sniper would bet his skills on such a shot.

That’s my opinion.

If you hear from a SEAL Team Six or FBI hostage-rescue sniper, considering how really accurate his custom-built sniper rifle is, if he says he could make the shot, believe him. Then ask yourself, “what are the odds that this sniper would have the equipment, training and skill needed to make such a shot?”
Essentially no one but a military or FBI-trained sniper could make that shot, even with everything in his favor.

Complete Article:

Charlie Kirk: Was the fatal neck shot the work of a skilled sniper?

Since I first heard of Charlie Kirk’s assassination, I’ve been pondering whether a lifelong shooter’s perspective on the murderous sniper who took Charlie Kirk’s life would be welcome, as well as speculating how he did it. ...

www.americanthinker.com

From the article:


Soldiers are carefully trained to aim at what’s called “center mass.” This is a point where the ribcage meets the diaphragm – the largest vulnerable target in the human body. Combat snipers are taught to aim for a “kill shot” that either shreds the human heart or pierces the skull, destroying the brain within. Either of those targets lead to almost instant destruction of one of the two most vulnerable organs in the body. A shot to either one is followed by an almost instantaneous death. They are not trained to hit the carotid. Nobody trains for such a shot, not the best snipers. It’s just too chancy.

There are other reasons for all but the most seasoned professional snipers or master target shooters to aim for anything but “center mass.”

While shots to the neck can deliver one-shot, one-kill performance, they are fraught with risk. Keep in mind that hearts and heads are remarkably small targets, even when seen through a sniper scope. Factors that can cause shooters to miss include the weight of the bullet, ambient wind speed, especially cross-winds – which pushes a bullet off course – and gravity. That latter factor is especially important when the shooter is lying on a building’s flat roof, targeting someone who is well below the shooter’s platform. Unless you’ve really practiced in the skills for downward shooting, you really can’t imagine how much gravity affects the barrel-to-target shot.

 

[Armor of Light]

If the weapon used was a WW2 Mauser , I thought that weapon fired an 8mm round not 30/06.

 

[Ronnie]

The Steven was the first Christian martyr of the Church Age, what will the martyr Charlie Kirk mark the beginning of?

 

[Ronnie]

VP JD Vance and wife lay floral bouquets at makeshift memorial for Charlie Kirk.

2.5M views · 140K reactions | Vice President JD Vance and second lady Usha visited a Minneapolis memorial, laying flowers for the victims of the church shooting. | Fox News

Vice President JD Vance and second lady Usha visited a Minneapolis memorial, laying flowers for the victims of the church shooting..

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[Andy C]

The Butler Pennsylvania shooter was about 150 meters from President Trump, fired numerous bullets, only grazed his target, killed a bystander and wounded two others. The Utah Valley shooter was 180 meters from Charlie Kirk, fired just one shot, killed his target, and wounded nobody else. Just luck?

Trump was standing and moving a little in Butler, Kirk was seated, an easy target to hit.

 

[Cheeky200386]

The Steven was the first Christian martyr of the Church Age, what will the martyr Charlie Kirk mark the beginning of?

I’m devastated by Charlie Kirk’s death but he is one of many martyrs being killed in this day and age, sadly. Just go to North Korea, China, the Middle East and you’ll see many others. I don’t think his means something is just starting of Biblical Proportions.

It’s another sign of the growing hatred towards Christians in the Western World that was once Christendom. I fully expected to hear of more church shootings from now until the rapture. Especially if the LGBT mafia continue to lose their stranglehold on the culture and youth. They will not go away silently.

I want to believe in a National Revival but I just don’t see it.

 

[Andy C]

Suspected Shooter has been captured

Charlie Kirk's suspected assassin captured after fatal shooting of influential conservative voice in Utah

Suspect arrested in Utah killing of Charlie Kirk, conservative speaker and Turning Point USA founder who was fatally shot at Wednesday afternoon event.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Ronnie]

I’m devastated by Charlie Kirk’s death but he is one of many martyrs being killed in this day and age, sadly. Just go to North Korea, China, the Middle East and you’ll see many others. I don’t think his means something is just starting of Biblical Proportions.

It’s another sign of the growing hatred towards Christians in the Western World that was once Christendom. I fully expected to hear of more church shootings from now until the rapture. Especially if the LGBT mafia continue to lose their stranglehold on the culture and youth. They will not go away silently.

I want to believe in a National Revival but I just don’t see it.

Satan’s kingdom is having a resurgence in these last days would not God, to save souls, have a last ditch effort to restore glory and power to his church with the purpose of snatching as many firebrands out of the fire as he could. It SHALL COME TO PASS IN THE LAST DAY THAT I SHALL pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh…

Weather you see it or not it’s coming - It prophecy!

 

[Andy C]

Trump said this morning on Fox news that the suspected shooters dad, a minister, and a law enforcement personnel were involved in bringing the suspect in. Trump said clearer details will be released this morning

 

[Ronnie]

The minister was in law enforcement.

 

[Baby Yoda]

Fox News was just saying they have reports that teenagers are watching the video (the killing part) over and over. Sick behavior.

 

[Andiamo]

Oh wow - so thankful they got this guy and that it wasn’t some professional hit where we would never know who was behind it. Then again someone could have been behind this person, influencing him. (Besides satan)

 

[Tall Timbers]

Do you suspect that Charlie's killer was more than just an angry amateur?

I think most practiced hunters could've made that shot.