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Billboards Declare ‘Israel Is Ready’ as Coalition Pushes for Saudi Normalization
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sorry about that, as Hol said, probably pressure. He was outspoken in his agreement with Michelle Bachman.I tried to watch it, but it says the video was removed by the uploader.
The takeaway was simply the heartfelt thanks he was expressing over her support of Israel's right to the land. I could see in him a reflection of what is coming when we are gone, and the Jews realize who their Messiah truly is.
He's not connecting the dots yet, but it gave me such joy to see his response, and his connecting the dots to Bible believing Christians who support him and othrs like him who want to do God's will and hold the land He gave them.
Just a foretaste of the joy we will feel as each precious son and daughter of Abraham Isaac and Jacob turns to Christ. I know 2/3 will not make it thru - although how many of the ones who die will be saved we don't know. The ones that survive and enter into the kingdom will be turning to Christ then.
It was beautiful to see.
He did mention the pressure he was already under for speaking out on this topic.
I still haven't taken time to search for Michelle's full vid that he excerpted. All I know it was in the last 10 days 2 weeks or so, maybe 3 weeks and she was beside Jack Hibbs and someone else at a conference I didn't recognize.
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It is an amazing time. I believe it is the time we think it might be. Although, end times pushes have been throughout history...in a postmodern era we tend to self doubt as a virtue. Which would make sense when that time might be.
But yeah, if it is right around the corner and we are witnesses of the local drift upon its actual shore, wow, what a time to be slated to be to have been alive. Wow.
So in thinking upon your post Margery, yeah, 2/3rds stood out to me now in an unusual way. I believe the exact reference of that concerning Israel will be the remnant of Ez 38 is my take. If true, and Ez 38 does come on the eve or just at the start of the tribulation period, then it would make sense that the 1/3 that survive will go through it. Which kind of dog whistles me over to Rev 12's 1/3. Almost like God is playing poker...lol. His 1/3 vs the devils 1/3.
In my eschatology I view Seals, then Trumpets, all in first half. And only bowls in the second. There might not be any relation at all to the Trumpets 1/3 and Israel, but it would make sense that if the 1/3 of Israel are Ez 38 survivors, then they would be the 1/3 tested under the Trumepts 1/3rd theme...leading to the climax, as I would understand it, of the AC proper (if there is such a term...lol). And then out of all of that I would believe it is the 144k that highlight the second half.
Just musing over if there might be a sense this 1/3 number used in scripture might have some interesting poetics to it. Thanks for sharing.
Blessings.
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In respect of @KMendel, I believe your dear sister might be blessed by our stance Hol
What I tend to do though in this season with Israel is wondering how those kinds of differences might translate in an Israel brought back by God in their hardened unbelief. Like what applied for ancient Israel when God had them as the showbread testimony to the world for His name sake. They still are in the "ongoing" sense. But they are currently not used to intimately testify regarding His authentic prophetic word (even though God would transcend all that and use them for escatological witness....maybe even to great degree in contrast to some church themes these days, even). "Even" emphasized. But Israel in their partial hardening by God Himself judicially (a concept that is for me a very tender living reality because of its implications towards Calvinism and Lordship Salvation) I would not see as protected under that statutes of God's production due to their obedience...which was part of the arrangement in the OT for them. As much as I would generously understand a great hope for Israel in their trust even toward what they might regarding the Father even Himself, because it is the age of grace and the church age...it might be ok for us perhaps providentially through even the US to take the lead and maybe even be a support and/or cover too for Israel.
It is kind of anathema today on some levels of evangelicalism to suppose God might look at how worldly over the ages the church has gotten, and show just as much mercy in use with us/them as He even would with literally using Israel in "hyper" apocolyptic eschatological ways -- though she be like totally apostate in hardening. Maybe there is some mirror reflection in that. Just trying to make sense of it in gernal, amen.
But the more important details, is even as off the wall in ways I might seem to approach, I think it is of beautiful import...your care and encouragement upon @KMendel, knowing she has expressed not being very fond of Trump and all that. And in kindred spirit of that, yeah, like when I hear Trump say that the US is the only country in the world that does mail in voting...lol...I'm not exactly sure what to do with that. Like is that just him being naive in his pride? Is it to sell to the enemy, "Hey ya'll...Ima jughead?" Or maybe something else. Hard to place. Because the guy that illuminated the concept of "fake news" as a thing, certainly dabbles in his share of all that...lol.
blessings.Hmmm...... a reply to the above post:
This last post by TCC to Hol as to my feelings regarding Donald Trump is concerning to me. I have admitted to not caring for Trump - only because Hol came right out at asked me. I've given my reasons before: I find him a voracious liar, his track record with women and perhaps children is abominable, every business he attempted he failed at while still claiming to be the most successful businessman on the planet while he still claims to know more than anyone else, including the experts. To me, he is an embarrassment around the globe in his current role. Never have we had a sitting president who has shown such a lack of decorum.
Now the last time I looked, I have a right to my opinion of him.......... just as you have a right to your opinion of him. It doesn't make me right or wrong, and it doesn't make either of you right or wrong. Time will answer that question.
So, please don't try to placate me. If there was some person in your life that you intensely disliked, and I knew that person as well and I liked them........ I would not try to change your mind............that's your perogative. , To each their own. You'd have your reasons and I'd have ,
mine. But, you don't seem to be leaving it at that. You are not going to change my mind anymore than I am going to change your minds.
So, please leave me out of your conversations between each other regarding Trump. You are overstepping. Thank you and God bless.
This last post by TCC to Hol as to my feelings regarding Donald Trump is concerning to me. I have admitted to not caring for Trump - only because Hol came right out at asked me. I've given my reasons before: I find him a voracious liar, his track record with women and perhaps children is abominable, every business he attempted he failed at while still claiming to be the most successful businessman on the planet while he still claims to know more than anyone else, including the experts. To me, he is an embarrassment around the globe in his current role. Never have we had a sitting president who has shown such a lack of decorum.
Now the last time I looked, I have a right to my opinion of him.......... just as you have a right to your opinion of him. It doesn't make me right or wrong, and it doesn't make either of you right or wrong. Time will answer that question.
So, please don't try to placate me. If there was some person in your life that you intensely disliked, and I knew that person as well and I liked them........ I would not try to change your mind............that's your perogative. , To each their own. You'd have your reasons and I'd have ,
mine. But, you don't seem to be leaving it at that. You are not going to change my mind anymore than I am going to change your minds.
So, please leave me out of your conversations between each other regarding Trump. You are overstepping. Thank you and God bless.
Amen!!!
How God has blessed us to be here at this time!
However, it's not just to watch and see: it's to work for the kingdom as the Church Age draws to a close. This is the final ingathering of the fruit of Christ's substitutionary sacrifice during the so-called Age Of Grace. The fact is that every dealing of God with man, during every age from Adam and Eve until now, has been through grace. And it will be so during the Great Tribulation until God brings everything to a close and ushers in the Millennial Reign of Jesus Christ.
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I will keep that in mind @KMendel. And apology if it comes across that way. I view our forum as family. So in a sense it was somewhat playful. But in no way whatsoever were my intentions to change your mind or placate. Love hopes all things. So I will agree not to mention you in reference to Trump but in so also hope that you consider to view this incident perhaps more prayerfully as intended. A) We are family. B) There is "0" desire for you to change your mind about Trump.
The bulk of my post was meant for Hollie. Not so much for @KMendel. It was an encouragement toward the sentiment of care toward those with differing views without one ounce of trying to change their minds and being ok with that. Even to the point of blessing them in their diffences of views. Because that is the loving and mature thing to be about in the body of Christ. As far as I am aware of. So it was more of an encouragement of "appreciating" differences. Not placating or trying to change peoples minds.
I believe I am going on two years now being on this forum. And many of my views are akin to this forum's eschatology. But I have some pretty strong views in contrary to all of evangelicalism and this forum on some points eschatologically. Areas I have been passionate about and shared on this forum a lot regarding. It is no secret. But that was not to change the forum's mind. In fact, if this forum changed their mind and went with my eschatological views, I don't believe I would stay here. Because I like the diversity and the contrast. And for the sake of my own sanity to remain in check, I absolutely don't want this forum to agree with me. That would seem to me to be kind of stepford and echo-chamber like.
Ending on a blessed note @KMendel, I appreciate your concerns of Trump. And I honor your differences. I wish you godspeed. And will honor not mentioning you in regards to Trump. Blessings.
Thank you to both Hol and TCC. I appreciate that you consider my feelings on this matter.
I think one has to be very careful when posting something "in jest"...........one person's sense of humor does not always mesh
with how another reads it. I did not see the humor. But, I understand that happens sometime. So, all is well. Let's move on to other things.
Love you both.
I think one has to be very careful when posting something "in jest"...........one person's sense of humor does not always mesh
with how another reads it. I did not see the humor. But, I understand that happens sometime. So, all is well. Let's move on to other things.
Love you both.
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How did you connect the 1/3 to Ezekiel 38? Is there Scripture that supports this?It is an amazing time. I believe it is the time we think it might be. Although, end times pushes have been throughout history...in a postmodern era we tend to self doubt as a virtue. Which would make sense when that time might be.
But yeah, if it is right around the corner and we are witnesses of the local drift upon its actual shore, wow, what a time to be slated to be to have been alive. Wow.
So in thinking upon your post Margery, yeah, 2/3rds stood out to me now in an unusual way. I believe the exact reference of that concerning Israel will be the remnant of Ez 38 is my take. If true, and Ez 38 does come on the eve or just at the start of the tribulation period, then it would make sense that the 1/3 that survive will go through it. Which kind of dog whistles me over to Rev 12's 1/3. Almost like God is playing poker...lol. His 1/3 vs the devils 1/3.
In my eschatology I view Seals, then Trumpets, all in first half. And only bowls in the second. There might not be any relation at all to the Trumpets 1/3 and Israel, but it would make sense that if the 1/3 of Israel are Ez 38 survivors, then they would be the 1/3 tested under the Trumepts 1/3rd theme...leading to the climax, as I would understand it, of the AC proper (if there is such a term...lol). And then out of all of that I would believe it is the 144k that highlight the second half.
Just musing over if there might be a sense this 1/3 number used in scripture might have some interesting poetics to it. Thanks for sharing.
Ezekiel 38-39 doesn’t speak about any dead among Israel; the narrative reads much more like the Exodus story where there were no casualties among the Hebrews, just the oppressors in Egypt.
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Thanks for this post, Soli. I appreciate your pointing this out. It is true there is no mention of Israel suffering any loss in Ez 38 and 39. We don't actually hear that stated though much today. So your observation is helpful in maintaining biblical integrity. In this respect, it could be said that Zech 14 may not be mirroring Zech 12 (where there is no mention of Israeli loss). Although both chapters seem to imply an awakening upon the earth as the thousand year reign of Christ cometh over the land.
So it is difficult to place Zech, at least I believe it is. Many will use Zech 12 for today, while it would seem most biblical scholars tend to see it during the very last days of the tribulation. I bring all this up because I am not sure how Zech 12-14 actually works holistically. But it would seem there is a future time for Zech 14:2. If so, where might that fit? So I think your clarifying that there is no loss of life in Israel indicated in Ez 38 is excellent. For I believe there is much to consider there. But for me, I guess blending Zech 14:2 with Ez 38-39 is my version of Bill Salus--ing prophecy (mixing things together into an elaborate prophetic stew of sorts).
I like Bill Salus, but I believe his notions on Psalm 83 are not accurate. I don't see Psalm 83 as a prophecy. But even if I did, I would believe its fulfillment already had taken place from 1948-1967--ish timeframe. But Bill pulls verses from everywhere to complete quite an elaborate quilting of verses to understand end time sequencing. I just do like a dumbed down version of that I guess, lol. Where it would seem to me Zech 14 would best fit in Ez 38 for me. Obviously this could be a wild stretch. But if so, where might you consider Zech 14 belongs? Where would you place Zech 12?
I recently read a commentary about Ez 38 not occuring until the gog and Magog war after the 1,000 reign of Christ because of Rev 20:8. But to me, how after 1,000 years of Christ ruling over the earth result in Israel at the end finally understanding He is their God? That, to me, would be an impossible placing of Ez 38. For that reason alone. But for many others too. Speaking of commentaries, I have posted an often "go to" site of the generic commentary views acceptable for consideration.
I would like to point attention to, for example, what Pulpit Commentary there does with Zech 14. Not that it makes my case for me. For I believe your notice of Israel suffering nothing in Ez 38 is not just a fair point. But a verifiable potential constraint upon the text. Not an absolute one. But the omitting of Israeli tragedy in Ez 38-39 (if there is any omittion) might be for the purpose of its chapter placement and purpose of display by Ezekiel. They show for example that in Ez 36 and 37 that Israel comes back to their land (which I believe is 1948). And since then, Israel has suffered a lot of loss. But we don't see any of that in Ez 36 and 37.
Please note, that Ez 36 and 37 to me seem to be an overarching view of what God is doing with them. So those two chapters to me are not meant to go from point A to point Z. For example, it is not the sense I get that Ez 37 starts where Ez 36 ends of. But rather, I believe it 36 and 37 overlay. And the ending of 36 and the ending of 37 climaxes into the 1,000 year reign poetically together. Then we see Ez 38 and 39. Then we see Ez 40-48 about the future 1,000 year reign temple. So the trajectory and drive of those later chapters in Ez all seem thematic of one thing: How Israel turns back to God, and what that path looks like as an overview. WITH a hyper focus on their being blessed by God. Even though the Jews underwent massive Nazi oppression before becoming a nation again. And even though, they would be under constant assault for decades coming back to their homeland. None of that is the focus. Oct 7th is not the focus. The focus in those chapters is God being faithful to His word and character toward them. That might not be THE answer as to why there is no mention of Israeli loss in Ez 38/39. And I invite anyone who might have a view on that share. For prophecy is somewhat nuanced and complicated.
I don't think this satisfactorally answered your question. It does not do so for me by any stretch. I believe Ez 38 and its huge appearance to be the second seal (as Bible Commentator Andy Woods would also hold this view), as perhaps hieroglyphic--ize as the Great Sword mentioned in 38:21, as an emblematic inditifier. Well I hope some of this might make sense. In any event, even if not, I appreciate you bringing this up. For it is healthy to consider what if Ez 38 and 39 have no Israeli life loss? I don't believe enough bible commentators deal with that. So excellent point. One I will chew on for quite a while I am sure. Blessings.
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