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Zelensky says he WON'T accept the outcome of US-Moscow peace talks unless Ukraine is able to participate - as Lavrov says Russia will not give up any

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Zelensky WON'T accept US-Moscow peace talks unless Ukraine involved

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has said Ukraine will not take part in US-Russian talks on the war and will not accept the outcome without participation.
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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has said Kyiv will not take part in US-Russian talks on the war and will not accept the outcome without having a seat at the table.

Zelensky said that Kyiv 'did not know anything about' the talks in Saudi Arabia this week, adding that his country 'cannot recognise any things or any agreements about us without us. And we will not recognise such agreements.'

Speaking to journalists on a conference call from the United Arab Emirates, Zelensky said the talks would 'yield no results', given the absence of any Ukrainian officials.
 

Trump says Zelensky ‘should have never started’ war with Russia​


Seems that Trump is not all that interested in dealing with Zelensky. Which for me is actually a good sign. Because when he made a deal with House Speaker Johnson in letting House money to go through to Ukraine (after it is clear that many politicians were rated on their stand about funding the Ukraine--as money laundering), it felt like Trump went deep state on us. Likely a trade with Johnson putting the money as noted as a loan. But on this side of things, omitting Zelensky so publicly infers that Trump is feeling very solid against the Ukraine money laundering system. Perhaps this "effect" is a residual outcome of the real meeting behind the scenes with Johnson.
 
TCC said:
Seems that Trum is not all that interested in dealing with Zelensky.
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While Zelinski played his globalist role to help get the war going, it might be more accurate to say that the West and specifically NATO nations should have never goaded Putin into invading Ukraine and promising Ukraine entrance to NATO at some future date. Putin did the invading but in my view the West caused the war... and Ukrainians and Russians both have suffered too much because of the globalist idiots who think too much of themselves.
 
Tall Timbers said:
While Zelinski played his globalist role to help get the war going, it might be more accurate to say that the West and specifically NATO nations should have never goaded Putin into invading Ukraine and promising Ukraine entrance to NATO at some future date. Putin did the invading but in my view the West caused the war... and Ukrainians and Russians both have suffered too much because of the globalist idiots who think too much of themselves.
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Trump telling Zelensky he should have never started the war...lol. After a meeting with Putin...lol. After Russia Gate...lol...Trump a political beast of the solid kind. This is Terminator level confidence game. Game on. Whooyah.
 
Andy C said:
You have posted this before but I will never understand your thought process to blame the war on anyone other than Putin.
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Fortunately I only need 7 to 10 paragraphs...even though you are not even addressing me. lol. I understand what you are saying brother Andy. I would love to hear Tall's answer. In short order this is what I would say:

  • 2014 seemed to be a time Putin responded to NATO trickery and Coop style optics from the West.
  • Putin wanted better relations with the West. But from what I understand, the West needs a covenient enemy (controlled by Globalist mindsets)
  • Putin certainly has his own Mafia style...and is not without blame in bloodshed
  • But Putin would have settled far sooner -- the war was kept alive because the West WANTS WAR -- without it, no money laundering and no Globalist elite moves
  • On Putin's doorstep were discovered bio labs of the killer kind
  • On Putin's doorstep NATO wanted to have rocket launch ability from Ukraine (during Trump years we lost the arms peace agreement because NATO wanted to Punk Putin)

These are the things I think Tall might be referring to. The USA has been taken over by globalism on one hand and Mafia on the other. I don't think they are always on the same page. But regime change would be a globalist motif. Using our CIA to play chess with the world. If I was Putin and I saw that, I'd keep the West as far away from my country as possible. And draw blood lines in the sand to do it. On the wings of removing Putin from the monetary club. The United States and other Western countries removed Russian banks from the Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication (SWIFT) in 2022...same year of Ukraine war I think. Blessings.
 
The West provoked the war. They goaded Russia into the attack by their flagrant wooing of Ukraine to NATO and arrogantly stating they would put Western nukes on Russia's very own border. Russia could not accept that (and frankly neither would America if the roles were reversed) and that fact combined with Russia's historic claim to Ukraine, a domain they controlled for 400 years up until 1991, made the war inevitable.
 
I can understand the above points made, but it seems some think Putin is innocent, that his actions or statements did not cause the west to make certain moves.

Im not going to post a dissertation on the events that started the war, but Putin threw the first punch by attacking a much smaller and vastly weaker country. He thought it would be easy pickings. Who knows what Putins next target would have been had he not been stopped.
 
Tall Timbers said:
Wasn't calling anyone a lamestream media follower, just indicating that that was/is one of their talking points. I don't mind your disagreement with me. It's okay for you to misunderstand world events from time to time. ;)
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Let’s just say I’m glad you’re not the one leading diplomatic relations with any country, friend or enemy. However, you could be the global ambassador for hamburgers.
 
Andy C said:
I can understand the above points made, but it seems some think Putin is innocent, that his actions or statements did not cause the west to make certain moves.

Im not going to post a dissertation on the events that started the war, but Putin threw the first punch by attacking a much smaller and vastly weaker country. He thought it would be easy pickings. Who knows what Putins next target would have been had he not been stopped.
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Biden being president of course does not give excuse to Russia. But it was understandable timing. With Ukrainian One (I mean Uranium One) in history, Biden would seem to have been a weak protege of that era me thinks. One way I look at this is that if America has strong leadership, rogue nation state plays become limited. Blessings.
 
Tall Timbers said:
Wasn't calling anyone a lamestream media follower, just indicating that that was/is one of their talking points. I don't mind your disagreement with me. It's okay for you to misunderstand world events from time to time. ;)
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Maybe I’m a little jaded because I spent over half my time in the Marines training for an eventual war with Russia. I dont trust anything about Putin, and for the good of his country, he should fade away. Same with the Z man, fade away, or at least hold the overdue elections and let the people remove him.
 
Andy C said:
Maybe I’m a little jaded because I spent over half my time in the Marines training for an eventual war with Russia. I dont trust anything about Putin, and for the good of his country, he should fade away. Same with the Z man, fade away, or at least hold the overdue elections and let the people remove him.
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One good thing though about Putin (even though Russia is a prime propoganda country) is his country does not seemed to be in sync with WEF from what I can tell. And being a major big kid on the block, in some way it seems to be somewhat of a preservative. Blessings.
 
TCC said:
One good thing though about Putin (even though Russia is a prime propoganda country) is his country does not seemed to be in sync with WEF from what I can tell. And being a major big kid on the block, in some way it seems to be somewhat of a preservative. Blessings.
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That said, he seems to be a catalyst for moves in Europe that align with the globalist playbook. He may be merely the provocation needed to enable WEF aims to be furthered.
 
Andy C said:
Maybe I’m a little jaded because I spent over half my time in the Marines training for an eventual war with Russia. I dont trust anything about Putin, and for the good of his country, he should fade away. Same with the Z man, fade away, or at least hold the overdue elections and let the people remove him.
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I spent most of my 20 years in operational missions against the USSR and a few other countries. I'm not happy about seeing the west as the bad guys in this. It's very sad. It's the globalist cabal of the west.
 
US President Donald Trump on Wednesday called Volodymyr Zelensky a “dictator without elections,” lashing out after the Ukrainian president said Trump was being influenced by Russian disinformation as he moves to end the Kremlin’s war against Ukraine on terms that Kyiv says are too favorable to Moscow.

“Think of it, a modestly successful comedian, Volodymyr Zelensky, talked the United States of America into spending $350 Billion Dollars, to go into a War that couldn’t be won, that never had to start, but a War that he, without the U.S. and "TRUMP," will never be able to settle. The United States has spent $200 Billion Dollars more than Europe, and Europes's money is guaranteed, while the United States will get nothing back. Why didn't Sleepy Joe Biden demand Equalization, in that this War is far more important to Europe than it is to us - We have a big, beautiful Ocean as separation. On top of this, Zelensky admits that half of the money we sent him is "MISSING". He refuses to have Elections, is very low in Ukrainian Polls, and the only thing he was good at was playing Biden "like a fiddle". A dictator without Elections, Zelensky better move fast or he is not going to have a Country left. In the meantime, we are succesfully negotiating an end to the War with Russia, something only "TRUMP", and the Trump Administration, can do. Biden never tried, Europe has failed to bring Peace, and Zelensky probably wants to keep the "gravy train" going. I love Ukraine, but Zelensky has done a terrible job, his Country is shattered, and MILLIONS have unnecessarily died - And so it continues.....

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