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Where does the current Israel/Iran war fit into the end time events?

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I'm just wondering what everyone thinks. If the war continues as it has started, Iran will be in no shape to join the coalition to attack Israel, Russia is still bogged down in Ukraine and Turkey is, so far, all talk. Would this war lead to Israel being able to live in peace, that is, without walls? Is it more stage setting? What do you think?
 
I think it's definitely moving things forward towards Ezek 38 (Gog Magog) because Israel has to be dwelling in peace, securely without bars or gates in a very very specific area that Ezek 38 says- The MOUNTAINS of Israel. That mountain range is the spine of Israel, rising from the Jordan Valley and we know the area today as the WEST BANK aka Judea and Samaria.

What MIGHT happen (me speculating) is:

Iran is significantly weakened, but not destroyed.
Russia and Turkey are unable to prevent this from happening NOW, but WILL be angered on Iran's behalf, and that will pull the big 3 in Ezek 38 closer together.

As this is an outgrowth of the war started by Gaza- including Lebanon and parts of Syria, this does look like some of the Psalm 83 players but I think it fits Ezek 32 starting at vs 17 when Ezekiel begins a new vision, and Jeremiah 49 much better.

Jeremiah 49 and Ezek 32:17-32 both seem to fit that picture. Jeremiah introduces the destruction of Damascus which is also covered in Isaiah 17. So I've often thought of these 3 passages as describing the same war. It does somewhat fit with Psalm 83, but I leave that out for clarity because it might just be an imprecatory prayer, not a prophecy, while these other 3 passages ARE prophetic.

As Bill Salus points out in his writing on all 4 passages, this involves cleaning out the near or inner ring of evil neighbours, setting Israel up for that peace filled pre condition outlined in Ezek 38.

I think this is a slow motion train wreck- getting ready for the overnight destruction in Damascus.

It does involve severely weakening Iran's area known as Elam. Elam is the area in Iran's south and west - sea coast, up to the spine of the Zagros mountains. Some of the Nuke sites being dealt with right now are in Persia proper but some sit on that border area of Elam as it butts up against ancient Persia.

This sets up another interesting precondition mentioned in Ezek 38 where Russia, Turkey and Persia (and the others) are going for spoil- to take wealth from Israel. So they are no longer trying to wipe Israel off the map, just steal everything that isn't nailed down. Gold and or oil may be involved. Especially if in this upcoming aftermath of peace, Israel is able to make a lot of wealth, which might involve gold backed digital currency (something else that might be coming down the line here soon).

All speculative, but things do seem to be lining up quite nicely for the preconditions seen in Ezek 38.
 
here is a map of ancient Elam to give perspective on the prophecy of Ezek 32 and Jeremiah 49. Bible Map: Elam

Looking at maps of where Israel is bombing, it looks like the north western section of ancient Elam and into ancient Assyria.
Map showing sites the Israeli military says it hit, including missile facilities, nuclear facilities, and radar defence systems

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from the article posted by the BBC Israel's overnight strike on Iran in maps and images

Natanz is the main nuclear site being bombed, and it's outside ancient Elam

BUT what DOES fit ancient Elam is the Missile sites seen here in red, and the radar defence systems seen in blue.

In addition the nuclear scientists and leaders seen in purple and green are inside ancient Persia as is Natanz in yellow, but these are possibly "the formost of their might" as outlined in Jeremiah 49:35

If we think of this as the 2 major Elamite prophecies (which lead into Damascus of Is 17) this destruction of the power structure of "Elam" leads to a weakening, of Iran, letting them reappear as Persia in the Ezek 38.

They will then be focused on stealing from Israel to recoup their losses.
 
Tall Timbers said:
I think it might be easier to determine where it fits after the dust settles and the war is over.
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pixelpusher said:
Hindsight is 20/20. Let's see what happens. We are living in "Biblical Times" for sure. Even the name of the operation "Rising Lion" just fits.
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And that is the thing about looking at Bible prophecy.

We simply WON'T know for sure that a particular prophecy IS fulfilled til AFTER it has been. Before hand we can play with those puzzle pieces, try and see if they fit something that seems to be shaping up but the final pattern that has a fulfillment, is only seen once it takes place.
 
Prophecy study sure gets the whole Bible into context and Bible knowledge improves immensely.

As long as we approach it with the words MAYBE or IF THE LORD WILLS or THIS IS JUST SPECULATION we let God be in charge of how it all gets fulfilled, and we get to know the Word better and better.

Today doing that Bible Study with my neighbour she commented on my joy and enthusiasm as we started off in Rev 2:12-17

5 small verses but we went from there into Numbers (that snake on the bronze staff because yeah it's a part of the city of Pergamum- that symbol was the symbol of the city but it stood for pagan stuff) and forward to John 3:14-15 where Jesus explains He has to be lifted up like that bronze serpent on the staff in order to save those who look to Him. We zipped over to Romans 11 when the subject of Israel came up and it was a ride.

The way that the ancient Babylonian religious stuff went to Pergamum and from there to Rome, explained how Pergamum got into such a state- and how it's Babylonian roots infected the Roman system, which then slid into the early church as they compromised with the world.

Not surprisingly, Pergamum is the church of the historical era that saw the persecution end and Christianity became the State Religion of Rome, which meant those out of work pagan priests had to join the church or else.

We touched on Joshua's conquest of Canaan, and the reasons God told them to wipe out certain tribes living in the land. Back into Genesis and forward to today, and the same areas where the giants persisted (Goliath of Gath) are the same parts that are trouble today (Hamas out of Gaza)

We flipped pages, read stuff, because every part of the Bible is connected to itself, and when you get excited to learn more and more and more about prophecy, you can't help but absorb a lot of the Word of God in it's full context.

She wondered why the news is so against Israel, and was Netanyahu wrong to be doing what he does in Gaza, Lebanon and Iran- and because I know the Word I was able to share all this with her, and give her the reassurance that everything makes sense when Israel is at the centre of things- it's part of God's plan.

She left happy, saying So it HAS to happen, and we see it happening because the Rapture is coming!

BINGO!

And that is why teaching prophecy is important. Nothing else gets people flipping the pages of the Bible so fast, with so much joy!
 
Margery said:
here is a map of ancient Elam to give perspective on the prophecy of Ezek 32 and Jeremiah 49. Bible Map: Elam

Looking at maps of where Israel is bombing, it looks like the north western section of ancient Elam and into ancient Assyria.
Map showing sites the Israeli military says it hit, including missile facilities, nuclear facilities, and radar defence systems

​

from the article posted by the BBC Israel's overnight strike on Iran in maps and images

Natanz is the main nuclear site being bombed, and it's outside ancient Elam

BUT what DOES fit ancient Elam is the Missile sites seen here in red, and the radar defence systems seen in blue.

In addition the nuclear scientists and leaders seen in purple and green are inside ancient Persia as is Natanz in yellow, but these are possibly "the formost of their might" as outlined in Jeremiah 49:35

If we think of this as the 2 major Elamite prophecies (which lead into Damascus of Is 17) this destruction of the power structure of "Elam" leads to a weakening, of Iran, letting them reappear as Persia in the Ezek 38.

They will then be focused on stealing from Israel to recoup their losses.
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So are you saying Trump is going to rename Iran to Pursia? lol. Sorry, could NOT resist. :p

Wow, great stuff Margery. Thanks so much dear sister. I've never really gotten caught up with Bill S. because of his emphasis on a potential Psalm 83 war. While I know there are many that lean in a war as an interpretation of Psalm 83 (I have seen the arguments), I would not see that Psalm as clean war prophecy. But understand how some might get that. Although, I believe Bill S. likely has some really great work in looking into maping prophesy as he connects other areas of scripture. If I had the time and well informed guide on some of the general pro/con controversies over Bill's work in general, it is something I would be very interested to pour into. Because from what I have seen, I believe there is something to gaining understanding when looking at a blend of prophesy together. Amen.

As for a general answer of what all this might mean or lead to, sometimes I am surprised at how little my perspective changes over the years. Which could mean I need my head examined or kick-started out of frozen mode, or maybe in ways some of the generic groundwork acquired over the years just kind of settles. For Israel to have peace and safety, it would almost seem necessary Iran be pruned a bit back. Maybe seemingly to the extent where Israel can legitimately in ways feel much more at ease. In that sense, this event is right on schedule I reckon. And it would seem again in this America is implicated. So there does seem to be themes of Israel/America in socio-political movement.

It would seem too that a weakened Iran would make it easier for a Saudi normalization with Israel in general. I think that normalization has to happen (and what was on track prior to Oct 7, 2023). So now that everyone got that out of their system, it would seem to gel back into place. In that sense the two major factors I believe for Ez 38 to occur is:

1) Saudi Normalization
2) Abraham Accords Strenthening

With Iran out of the way, that can happen. This is where I would lean on the power of mirage imagery as social rhetorical expression. Just as Iran will be weakened and come back, so I would seem that similar cycle of globalism. It goes down, and later resurfaces. In the past I was not so certain about Iran in that example. But it does actually seem to be perhaps a precusor of globalism perhaps in as much as how Oct 7th could happen (although controversial) by such surprise is a kind of mirroring eye opener of how surprise can still come with Ez 38, future imaging.

MARGERY SAID
If we think of this as the 2 major Elamite prophecies (which lead into Damascus of Is 17) this destruction of the power structure of "Elam" leads to a weakening, of Iran, letting
them reappear as Persia in the Ezek 38.

When I first read that I thought I wonder if she means they will rename themselves...lol. Abviously I know what you mean. But that would be pretty trippy if they did. Thanks for the thread you guys. Blessings.
 
TCC said:
I've never really gotten caught up with Bill S. because of his emphasis on a potential Psalm 83 war. While I know there are many that lean in a war as an interpretation of Psalm 83 (I have seen the arguments), I would not see that Psalm as clean war prophecy.
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Neither do I. I think it might be a prophecy, but what I think works even better is the passages I think I mentioned above - Ez 32, Jer 49 and Is 17 because the first 2 both mention Elam (that area that is now in modern Iran) along with many of the near neighbours also mentioned in Psalm 83 but with more detail. Jer 49 and Is 17 are both about the destruction of Damascus. Egypt and Jordan are mentioned (Jordan consists of the ancient territories of Ammon, Moab and Edom with Gilead at the far northern tip) and they are mentioned in that grouping.

I like Bill Salus's concept that getting rid of the near neighbourhood enemies means Israel can live in peace on the mountains of Israel (that is a specific region that we call the West Bank today) which Ezek 38 says they are doing when that attack comes. Whether thru Ps 83 and or the other passages or by some other way that God has planned.

For whatever reason that God allows, by the time of Ezek 38 Israel is living without bars/walls/gates in the area of Judea and Samaria that the rest of the world persists in calling the West Bank.

For that to happen God will have to deal with the Palestinians in that area. :popcornbag:

Bill Salus and Tom Hughes were discussing the war this morning:

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